BS: Obscure quotations

Subject: BS: Obscure quotations
From: gnu
Date: 04 Oct 15 - 08:04 PM

Just saw Ralph Nader in a movie about Saturday Night Live (US TV comedy show) say "Political satire is more difficult than poetry."

I found that profound.

BTW, Nader is one of my all time heroes.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Oct 15 - 08:11 PM

For one thing it keeps on being overtaken by reality. For example Donald Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,Gestes
Date: 04 Oct 15 - 10:21 PM

Come and take it  

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Oct 15 - 03:36 AM

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." --Eric Cantona, footballer and philosopher.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Oct 15 - 06:17 AM

Probably the most politically astute quote came from the Italian author, Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa, when he has his main character in his novel, 'The Leopard', say, on observing the Garibaldi Revolution; "Things are going to have to change if they are going to remain the same".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Oct 15 - 08:03 AM

"Political satire is more difficult than poetry."

hmm "Point of Order", Mr Speaker, "Point of Order", could I point to Trump, Berlusconi & Farrage for starters.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Oct 15 - 09:26 AM

""What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty or democracy?""
― Mahatma Gandhi

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Oct 15 - 09:28 AM

""Too bad that all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving taxicabs and cutting hair."" 
― George Burns

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Oct 15 - 09:36 AM

""We learn from history that we do not learn from history""

Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: G-Force
Date: 05 Oct 15 - 09:43 AM

You can be in my dream if I can be in yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Bert
Date: 05 Oct 15 - 01:32 PM

Things that don't alter, remain as they are.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 05 Oct 15 - 03:00 PM

"Sex at my age is like shooting pool with a piece of rope." - George Burns

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Oct 15 - 10:51 PM

"We do not know what we do not know."
-I've see this variously attributed to Wittgenstein, Confucius and Donald Rumsfeld. Oddly profound.

"If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try ordering somebody else's dog around."
-Will Rogers

"I care not for a man's religion whose dog is not the better for it."
-Abraham Lincoln

"If pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of progress?"
-Mark Twain

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 06 Oct 15 - 02:42 AM

" The trouble with normal is it always gets worse"! Bruce Cockburn

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Oct 15 - 04:25 AM

"We are the people our parents warned us about" - Augustus John, painter

My favourite from who knows who
"History repeats itself, it has to, nobody is listening"
GBS said something wordier but essentially the same message.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Oct 15 - 09:51 AM

"Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes."
Sam Vimes, Night Watch (Pratchett)

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 15 - 05:44 AM

The older I get the better I used to be at things.

(posted by Gobby O'Gobbo 3 hours ago on TheSession discussion forum - with apologies to Gobby if he sees this!)

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,Althea Butler
Date: 07 Oct 15 - 11:08 AM

"If only there was a coon of the year award"

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: frogprince
Date: 07 Oct 15 - 11:36 AM

Please tell me that the quote at 11:08 has a meaning other than what would seem obvious to many Americans.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Oct 15 - 11:52 AM

said among the women of Bletchley Park during WW2. There were many more men than women and regarding the chances of finding a suitor:

"The odds are good, but the goods are odd".

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 15 - 11:56 AM

I don't discern any other meaning... and I don't know any Althea Butler. It sure feels wrong to me!

------------------------

re: revolutions

"I advocate a semi-revolution.
The trouble with a total revolution
(Ask any reputable Rosicrucian)
Is that it brings the same class up on top.
Executives of skillful execution
Will therefore plan to go halfway and stop.
Yes, revolutions are the only salves,
But they're the one thing that should be done by halves."

Robert Frost

an answer, by Oscar Williams

"I advocate a total revolution.
The trouble with semi-revolution,
It's likely to be slow as evolution.
Who wants to spend the ages in collusion
With Compromise, Complacence and Confusion?
As for the same class coming up on top,
That's whole cloth from the propaganda shop;
The old saw says there's loads of room on top,
That's where the poor should really plan to stop.
And speaking of those people called the "haves",
Who own the whole cow and must have the calves
(And plant the wounds so they can sell the salves)
They wont be stopped by doing things by halves.
I say that for a permanent solution
There's nothing like a total revolution.

P.S. And may I add by way of a conclusion,
I wouldn't dream to ask a Rosicrucian."

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: JHW
Date: 07 Oct 15 - 03:12 PM

I said "For richer, for poorer; in sickness and in health".
I never said anything about home all day every day.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Oct 15 - 04:25 PM

"I want to be a professional boxer. But I won't wear gloves, because I like the way cardboard feels." 
― Jarod Kintz, If you bring the booze and food, I'll bring the thirst and hunger

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 09:54 AM

"I want to know more and more about less and less, until I know everything about nothing." --??

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 10:32 AM

I know many things about several modes of 'nothing'.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 11:03 AM

Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.
- Mark Twain, quoted by Rudyard Kipling in "From Sea to Shining Sea"

Irreverence is the champion of liberty. -- Mark Twain, 1888.

Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon -- so long as there is no answer to it -- gives claws to the weak.                --George Orwell, 1945

Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act [of 1878] to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.                --Mohandas Gandhi

A rifle this hand will never fire.
                         --Mohandas Gandhi, given a rifle during his service in the Ambulance Corps in WWI.

Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it. --A. Lincoln, 6 Apr 1859

Once you learn to read you will be forever free. --Fredrick Douglass

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 04:23 PM

"You can be in my dream if I can be in yours" - I said that.

Said Dylan.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,randy
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 07:52 PM

God this place is boring. What ever happened to fhe spirited discussions that used to happen here? This whole place is obscure.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Joe_F
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 08:26 PM

When Italy declared war on Britain in WW2, Churchill remarked "It's only fair. We had to put up with them last time."

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: kendall
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 08:51 PM

Humor is the opiate of the melancholy. (Mine)
The older I get, the better I was. (Art Thieme)
If I was any better, I'd be twins. (Mine)

When challenged to use the word "Horticulture" in a sentence, Dorothy Parker said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but, you can't make her think."

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 11:09 PM

Dorothy Parker also said, "One martini, I'm under the weather. Two and I'm under the table. Three and I'm under the host."

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 01:08 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 02:50 AM

"The false assumption is that almost all people, almost all of the time, make choices that are in their best interest or at the very least are better than the choices that would be made by someone else." 
― Richard H. Thaler, Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 03:19 AM

"People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they're not on your road doesn't mean they've gotten lost" 
― H. Jackson Brown Jr.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 03:26 AM

"Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresa, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein." 
― H. Jackson Brown Jr.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 10:19 AM

Guest of 1:08 A.M., who was it who said that?

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 10:24 AM

Unk ODO:
An obscure quote from GW Bush. Odd it was not easily recognized.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 11:37 AM

Re: quotation at 11:08 on Oct 7

That comment (and more) was directed at Dr. Ben Carson, by Professor Anthea Butler of UPenn. Apparently she doesn't like that Republican candidate Carson (a black man for those of you who don't follow USA politics) does not toe the Black victimhood trope.

Whether the guest who posted that racist crap is actually Butler is not known.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Gutcher
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 01:30 PM

"Let me finish my answer Jeremy then you can patronise me"      

Alex. Salmonds, very effective, put down of Jeremy Paxman

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 08:31 PM

"For people who like that sort of thing, that's the sort of thing they like."
William F. Buckley Jr.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 09:27 PM

The fewer the facts, the stronger the opinion. --Arnold H. Glasgow

For NASA, space is still a high priority. --Dan Quayle

The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...' --Isaac Asimov

One cannot conceive anything so strange and so implausible that it has not already been said by one philosopher or another. –-René Descartes

I don't know why we are here, but I'm pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves. –-Ludwig Wittgenstein

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: mrdux
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 12:48 AM

"The sense of well-being continued. Black desolation underlay it, as he knew perfectly well; but the two could exist in the same being."

                        – Patrick O'Brian, The Hundred Days (1998)

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 04:02 AM

William F Buckley Junr, few posts back ('...people who like that sort of thing...') was, to put it politely, requoting (or, less politely, plagiarisising) Abe Lincoln, who appears from Oxford Dict of Quotations to have originated this formulation -- subsequently reused [usually, as here, without acknowledgment] by the likes of Buckley, Muriel Spark as a "Miss Jean Brodie-ism", &c &c.

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Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 04:46 AM

My understanding is there is some doubt put forward as to whether Abe Lincoln was the original source of the quote, (attributed here to W.F. Buckley jr.), a quote which has been modified through time, and reused by others. The basis of some doubt us that the quote is clearly not of Lincolns style. Another source of such doubt is Ralph Keyes' book, The Quote Verifier that provides an earlier source:

""In late 1863 a spoofy newspaper advertisement for [Artemus] Ward included this testimonial: "I have never heard any of your lectures, but from what I can learn I should say that for people who like the kind of lectures you deliver, they are just the kind of lectures such people like""

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 07:28 AM

That may indeed be an original source to be preferred to the Lincoln one, which ODQ attributes as

Judgement on a book. G.W.E. Russell, Collections and Recollections ch30.

But whether Lincoln quoted Artemus Ward's supposed referee or vice versa (Lincoln & Ward overlapped as contemporaries), or whether both drew on yet another, unidentified, earlier source, my point was that the formulation far antedated both Muriel Spark and W F Buckley jnr.

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Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 07:32 AM

Of course-but does the replacement of one inaccurate source by another, or questionable one achieve much?

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 08:26 AM

Birth control is not contraception indiscriminately and thoughtlessly practiced. It means the release and cultivation of the better racial elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extirpation of defective stocks— those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.

Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood Founder

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 09:40 AM

Can't quite apprehend the non-point you seem to be making, Ed T. What is 'achieved' is a provisional terminus a quo. I have named a couple of earlier sources than those cited, but have nowhere claimed to have 'established' anything. So what's your problem, precisely?

The gravamen is surely that the attribution of a quote above, 9 Oct 0838pm, is demonstrably not the original source. Do you think it should have been allowed to stand because the absolute ur-original source cannot be conclusively demonstrated? If that is your point, I think little of your standards. If it isn't, then what the hell is, pray?

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Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 09:58 AM

Biological laws tell us that certain divergent people will not mix or blend. --Calvin Coolidge

The multiplication of the feeble-minded is a very terrible danger to the race. --Winston Churchill

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 10:18 AM

"It lighted every peak, crevasse and ridge of the nearby mountain range with a clarity and beauty that cannot be described but must be seen to be imagined. It was that beauty the great poets dream about but describe most poorly and inadequately."

--Brigadier General Thomas F. Farrell, eulogising over the Trinity atom bomb test at Alamogordo, a few weeks before the citizens of two Japanese cities were annihilated by similar explosions.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 02:04 PM

It seems quite odd, IMO, that you claim I have "a problem", MGM-Lion? I claim no such affliction related to this quote.

Yes, it is indeed helpful (to some) to correctly identify a error in a quote source. However, replacing it with another potential source error seems, IMO, to add little value. Not recognizing such a plight is puzzling to me? However, I recognize it may not be so from your perspective?

If you have new information on the quote source, it would be worthy to share. If not, I see little purpose in continuing in a pointless direction.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 02:30 PM

"the replacement of one inaccurate source by another"
.,,.
But it was you doing that, wasn't it? -- with your suggestion of Artemus Ward rather than Lincoln.

I fear you have now completely lost me.

However it is time to go and watch Wales play Bosnia-Herzegovina on Sky Sports.

So adieu.

☺〠☺~M~☺〠☺

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 03:31 PM

I fear you have now completely lost me."


That clearly makes two of us. What seems reasinablevto on, may just seem idx to another. A good reason to part courses on this one, versus engage in pointless BS argument/counter arguments.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 03:35 PM

Oops, sent prematurely: What seems reasinable to one, may just seem odd to another.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 03:37 PM

Damn: reasonable, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 07:18 PM

"Strike a light or light a lantern! Something I have hold of has no head."

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 08:40 PM

""Careful, Mr. Spiro, guns are dangerous. Especially the end with the hole.""
― Eoin Colfer, The Eternity Code

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 11 Oct 15 - 10:19 AM

As to the attribution and counter-attribution and counter-counter-attribution of the "that's the kind" quote, it just goes to show that that thought, however phrased, has long become part of the culture
through the folk process.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Oct 15 - 10:30 AM

""If you put the "rich" in ostrich, I'll put in the "ost.""
― Jarod Kintz, 

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Oct 15 - 11:57 AM

""Speeding is no advantage round a vicious circle"
Marty Rubin

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Oct 15 - 12:04 PM

""Ideas stand in the corner and laughs while we fight over them"
Marty Rubin

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Oct 15 - 12:13 PM

""Life is simple. You just have to stop trying to figure it out.""
― Marty Rubin

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 17 Oct 15 - 09:54 AM

"What would men be without women?

"Very scarce, sir . . . very scarce."
    --Mark Twain

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 17 Oct 15 - 06:14 PM

Although volume upon volume is written to prove slavery a very good thing, we never hear of the man who wishes to take the good of it, by being a slave himself.
        --Abraham Lincoln

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Oct 15 - 04:35 PM

""But remember what I said about forgetting what I said?""
― Pseudonymous Bosch, The Name of This Book Is Secret

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 03:19 PM

Whenever cannibals are on the brink of starvation, Heaven, in its infinite mercy, sends them a nice plump missionary.
        --Oscar Wilde

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:09 PM

"I have outlived my pecker." - Willie Nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 09:29 AM

Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people
attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people.
        --George Bernard Shaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 12:39 PM

"The intelligence of that creature known as a crowd is the square root of the number of people in it."

Terry Pratchett

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 12:50 PM

"The secret to effective online research isn't locating someone with the answer, but filtering out the masses of people who think they have the answer."

Paul Lutus

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 12:54 PM

"When people call at midnight and threaten you with death, you realize you're making a difference."

Paul Lutus

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 04:57 PM

If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
           --Derek Bok

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 05:28 PM

"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."

(Sign hanging in Albert Einstein's Princeton U. office.)

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 03:05 AM

"A paradox, a paradox, a most ingenious paradox..."

W S Gilbert, The Pirates of Penzance

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 05:03 AM

"The secret to effective online research isn't locating someone with the answer, but filtering out the masses of people who think they have the answer."
is also:
what Rumsfeld called "Unknown knowns" etc
When I say "Knowledge knows what it knows, intelligence knows when it doesn't"
& One clever 'Catter summarized with "the arrogance of ignorance"

sometime less is more, and more effective.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 06:38 AM

Becoming impotent is like being unchained from a lunatic -- George Melly

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 26 Oct 15 - 09:56 AM

A majority of the dwellers of Hell will be women who curse too much and
are ungrateful to their spouses.
        --Muhammad Imran, Ideal Women in Islam

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 26 Oct 15 - 12:44 PM

""Remember, you may have to grow old, but you don't have to mature.""
Red Green

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 26 Oct 15 - 12:55 PM

""Some men look at a problem like this and try to find a solution. I prefer to figure out whose fault it is and let them take care of it."" Red Green

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mr Red
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 07:34 AM

"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."
    Ralph Waldo Emerson

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 08:24 AM

"Be careful about reading health books. Some fine day you'll die of a misprint." 
― Markus Herz

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 01:22 PM

Why has nobody yet quoted the very apposite remark of Dorothy L Sayers' Lord Peter Wimsey?:--
"Always a quotation for everything. It saves original thinking."

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Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 05:00 PM

""Nothing of me is original. I am the combined effort of everyone I've ever known.""
― Chuck Palahniuk, Invisible Monsters

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 06:03 AM

"You think you won't but you will." Truculent barrister in Shaw's 'You Never Can Tell -- repeated, and varied as e.g "You think it isn't but it is" &c. Useful for deployment in Mudcat threads...!

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Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 06:06 AM

"You can't come in here saying you want to know, you know."

"But I do want to know, you know."

Exchange between Mr Tite Barnacle & Arthur Clennam in Dickens' Little Dorrit

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 08:15 AM

Talking to the famous footballer Kenny Dalglish, a radio interviewer said "I suppose you'll take a lot of secrets to your grave, Kenny"
Dalglish replied, "You'll never know".

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 08:26 AM

"History is not usually what has happened. History is what some people have thought to be significant." 
― Idries Shah, Reflections

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 08:29 AM

"Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information." 
― Idries Shah, Reflections

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: PHJim
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 12:30 AM

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

- credited to (and probably said by) Dorothy Parker, W.C.Fields, Steve Allen, Fred Allen, Tom Waits and several other folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: PHJim
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 12:31 AM

But I believe Steve Allen said, "I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy."

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 03:08 AM

Be true to your teeth and they won't be false to you.-- Soupy Sales

Half of being smart is knowing what you are dumb about.-- Solomon Short

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 07:41 AM

"Most misunderstandings in the world could be avoided if people would simply take the time to ask, "What else could this mean?" 
― Shannon L. Alder

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 07:48 AM

"There are two circumstances that lead to arrogance: one is when you're wrong and you can't face it; the other is when you're right and nobody else can face it." 
― Criss Jami, Diotima, Battery, Electric Personality

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 06:08 PM

"Don't look back...somthin' may be gainin' on you."
          Satchel Paige

"Don't do too good of a job, folks will begin to expect it"
                Talkin' John, an old carpenter

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 08:44 PM

"Well, it's probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in."--LBJ on J. Edgar Hoover

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,salve
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 11:17 PM

Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders.-- Sloan Wilson

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 05:17 AM

Bill D's above above about not looking back reminds me of that wonderful stanza from Coleridge's The Ancient Mariner [one of the most quoted and quotable of poems} --

Like one, that on a lonesome road
Doth walk in fear and dread,
And having once turned round walks on,
And turns no more his head;
Because he knows, a frightful fiend
Doth close behind him tread.

Brrrrr!

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Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 07:56 AM

call me a pedant BUT:

The Ancient Mariner [one of the most quoted and quotable of poems} --
is it not "the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner"?

And just for the sake of more pedantry
"Water, water everywhere and all the boards did shrink.
Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink"

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 09:41 AM

It is actually "The Rime of the Ancyent Marinere" according to Wikipedia.

But, then, we don't often refer in full to "The Tragedie of Macbeth King of Scotland" either, do we?

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 10:00 AM

OK, OK it is an eye rhyme!

Technology is anything invented after you are born. Alan Kay
Technology is anything that doesn't work yet. Danny Hillis

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 10:13 AM

Bruce Schneier on "the Security Mirage" on TED.com
If its in the news don't worry about it, News is something almost never happens.

THE RIME OF THE ANCYENT MARINERE, IN SEVEN PARTS from
Lyrical Ballads
[London: J. & A. Arch, 1798]

I have lered (or is it learnt?) something today! And something else!

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 10:17 AM

"" In one case out of a hundred a point is excessively discussed because it is obscure; in the ninety-nine remaining it is obscure because it is excessively discussed.""
Edgar Allan Poe

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 10:21 AM

"" It's better for the whole world to know you, even as a sex star, than never to be known at all.""
Marilyn Monroe

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 10:23 AM

"" This poem has been called obscure. I refuse to believe that it is obscurer than pity, violence, or suffering. But being a poem, not a lifetime, it is more compressed.""
Dylan Thomas

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 08:24 PM

"Law is a thing which is insensible, and inexorable, more beneficial and more profitious to the weak than to the strong; it admits of no mitigation nor pardon, once you have overstepped its limits."―Livy

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,Git Parker
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 08:15 PM

Not many really obscure - so -

'Always get over a stile'

Richard Jefferies c. 1870?

Always worked for me in the broader sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Dec 15 - 03:05 PM

Foreplay pretty much starts at the end of the previous orgasm. (in a TED talk given by Esther Perel The secret to desire in a long-term relationship ) You have to listen to the whole thing to get the full impact!

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Dec 15 - 03:46 PM

"We prematurely write off people as failures. We are too much in awe of those who succeed and far too dismissive of those who fail."

Malcolm Gladwell

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: kendall
Date: 23 Dec 15 - 08:08 PM

It doesn't matter, and, it doesn't matter that it doesn't matter.

Sometimes it is well to remember that, with one minor exception, the universe is made up of others.

When I was young, I thought about sex all the time. Now, the only time I think about sex is when I'm awake.

I'm not the man I used to think I was.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 22 Feb 16 - 06:43 PM

"I drank to drown my troubles. But the
damn things learned to swim!"
                         --Freda Kahlo

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Feb 16 - 10:06 PM

"In a family argument, if it turns out you are right -- apologize at once!"

"An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications."

"Money is a powerful aphrodisiac. But flowers work almost as well."

"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss."

"Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things"

"Atheism is a non-prophet organization"

"A lot of the people who keep a gun at home for safety are the same ones who refuse to wear a seat belt"

"I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose"

"I do this real moron thing, it's called thinking, and I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."

"I couldn't commit suicide if my life depended on it"

"If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?"

"The next time they give you all that civic bullshit about voting, keep in mind that Hitler was elected in a full, free democratic election"

"The reason I talk to myself is that I'm the only one whose answers I accept".

"Have you ever noticed? Anybody going slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac"

"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist"

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."

"The only good thing ever to come out of religion was the music"

"Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time."

"Most people work just hard enough not to get fired and get paid just enough money not to quit"

""I am" is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that "I do" is the longest sentence?"

"People who say they don't care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don't care what people think"

"By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth"

"In labor news, longshoremen walked off the piers today; rescue operations are continuing"

"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands"

"The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out"

OK..enough...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 12:28 AM

Second line of GFS above reminds mew inevitably that a camel is a horse designed by a committee.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 12:29 AM

...reminds ME, buggerit!

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 12:46 AM

Glad you read 'em...hope you got off on some of them.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 02:57 AM

I always get off on your posts Goofus. One day I must get around to reading them.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 03:31 AM

A few of my personal favourites.
My mother had a few that stuck with me through life
Her response to bluff, bullshit and equivocation; "You're all wind and pee - like the barber's cat".
When I first tried my hand at singing I was told, "If you were singing for shit, you wouldn't get the smell of it", late adapted to, "not bad, for a beginner".
She described someone of small stature as; "He has to stand on tuppence to look over thruppence.
A local dancing master around here was asked how a now internationally famous veteran box player who as going to him to learn music was progressing - "Ah, he's doin' his best, poor feller".
Dubliners have a couple of nice ones for people who have done them a good turn: "Your blood's worth bottlin'" or "You're handier than a small pot"
Liverpool bar staff had a string of sayings to deal with customers who couldn't hold their drink - I heard one barman ask a man who had spilled his beer all down his shirt-front, "Do you intend to drink that or wear it?"
The Radio Ballads team spent a time recording miners in Wales and in the N.E. telling stories for 'The Big Hewer' - they were told of a Trades Union leader who had sold out his men during a strike.
He addressed a pit-head meeting with the opening line; "I suppose you think I've sold you out to the bosses?"
A voice shouted out from the body of the hall, "No - they buy gold, not shit".
During a late-night conversation we had with Joe Heaney in a tatty caff in Euston, not long before he died, he complained about growing old, "It takes me all night to do what I used to do all night".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,№22
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 03:41 AM

Everyone born is on the field of life's game, but not everyone does wear the jersey of vision! Some people are fair players and others are injury causers; you joke with the later and they hit you down in pain and blood stains! Israelmore Ayivor

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 03:45 AM

Second line of GFS above reminds mew inevitably that a camel is a horse designed by a committee. it is also said that:

a camel is a race horse designed by a committee.

But then the Autralians breed racing camels. Go figure!

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: banjoman
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 06:22 AM

From my music teacher over 65 years ago
"Musically speaking this pupil is dead from the neck up"
He wrote this on a report sent to my parents. I have kept it as a reminder of why I took up the banjo all those years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 07:15 AM

Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told.
Religion is doing what you are told regardless of what is right.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: kendall
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 10:18 AM

I don't care what they do, as long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses. (Lady Campbell)

I sometimes post this sort of thing at the top of my FB page.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: BobL
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 04:07 AM

Never let your principles keep you from doing what is right (or something to that effect) - Isaac Asimov.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 09:11 AM

Big Red, there are two basic breeds of camels:
1 Bactrian, with two humps.   This is a beast of burden.
2 Dromedary, with one hump.   This is a running camel.
The "drome" in that word means "run" or "running"
For a very long time, there has been a lot of camel
racing in the Middle East, using Dromedaries.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 05:08 AM

Fun Fact: if a biker asks you for a 'hump' give him a cigarette (preferably Camel straight)

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 06:13 AM

"He couldn't stop a pig in an entry" - my gran about a bloke with bandy legs. Unfortunately, Mrs Steve is beginning to think she could use it against me...

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 01:18 PM

"la science progresse d'erreur en erreur" - if you can find who said that, I'd be happy. I learned it from a physics teacher in a French high school in Abidjan.

It translates roughly as Science advances from mistake to mistake.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 01:40 PM

Some of the old buggers I worked with when an apprentice;

"Like a wooden dog with a tin prick."

"One of the finest men ever to piss through a tin trumpet"

"As much use as a one legged bloke at an arse kicking contest."

The BBC comedy writer Johnny Speight put a wonderful line for Alf Garnett "If you want to achieve true democracy, you've got to be prepared to shoot a few people."

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 02:24 PM

Bloke on Radcliffe Parks Dept. (going back nearly fifty years now), referring to the somewhat unworldly and rather effeminate parks superintendent, "he thinks his dick's fer pissin' out of."