BS: Casual sexism

Subject: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 01:42 AM

A driftish train of thought in the "Bumper" thread reminded me of a French-language record course I once came across, with episode about a party, at which "les hommes parlent politiques, pendant que les dames causent chiffons" (think I have it about right) -- trans: "the men discuss politics while the ladies talk about clothes & fashions".

Any more examples of such unthinking & casual sexism?

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Monique
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 04:16 AM

Reading book in the 50's-60's "Papa fume la pipe pendant que Maman fait la vaisselle" (Daddy's smoking his pipe while Mommy's washing the dishes).

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:05 AM

"It must be a woman driver"

... my wife's reaction when she comes upon a hesitant driver who's dithering is disrupting the flow of traffic.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Megan L
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:07 AM

The same is also true of a friend of mine when a car goes wizzing past her says "These boy racers"

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Henry Piper of Ottery
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:09 AM

Could we not find some more genuine and relevant examples of prejudice and discrimination against Women, to discuss than these pathetic examples !!

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:32 AM

Sure could Henry - compare wage packets of women doing the same jobs as men, or count the number of women in top jobs or in Parliament.
I overheard a discussion between two professional types in a bar in Limerick last week on the film 'Suffragette' - "I think I'll go to see it - want to find out where we went wrong!"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:40 AM

The title of the thread is "casual sexism" Henry. I'm sure the OP is well aware of the greater issues at play but is keen to discuss matters which although they may not seem as important serve to strengthen the inequality that prevails.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:41 AM

Just picked up 'The Times' - lovely example on the front page from "leading female scientist", Averil MacDonald, chairwoman of UK Onshore Oil and Gas, whose job it is to sell fracking to the population.
"Women don't understand (fracking) and follow their gut instinct rather than the facts".
You can't contradict an "expert"!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:44 AM

Quite so. It's these at first sight petty examples that seem to me so symptomatic of that wider big issue. Never underrate or trivialise these apparently minor symptoms, Henry.

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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 06:01 AM

About five years ago, I worked in a unit where I was the only male. At lunch breaks, the female emoloyees would gather together to knit. I was never invited to join in.
One day, I asked why I was excluded, as I know how to knit (my Mom taught me). The answer was, "because you are a male, and we knew you were not interested and woukd noit know how to knit, anyway".

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 07:16 AM

I've never bought into the new non-gender vocabulary i.e. "chair" instead of chairman or chairwoman. With the utmost respect to both sexes, I say "Vive la difference".
Men are from Mars .... etc

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 07:34 AM

Many years ago I signed up for some lessons in touch typing. I was the only man in a class of 24. We'd all be clattering away on our exercises when every now and again the tutor would call out "Right, girls, just stop what you're doing for a moment..."

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 07:42 AM

I take it you continued typing, Steve; till she had thge coiurtesy to acknowledge your presence?

No? Oh dearie·weary·me!

☺〠☺~M~☺〠☺

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 08:00 AM

If sexism is decrying members of the opposite sex, is casual sexism decrying casual sex?

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 08:00 AM

Locally, Academics poo poo the apparently, politically incorrect, word fisherman, prefering fisher. Both female and male fishermen continue to reject fisher, and also fish harvester, claiming they have the right to decide what they are called and the intellectual choice of of the word is condescending (additionally, to add insult, a fisher is a small, weasle-like animal). Some, in an attempt at compromise, have opted for fish harvester. But, many fishermen claim this does not adequately capture what they do.

Well, in their defense, I suspect most folks do understand what a fisherman does.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 08:12 AM

If sexism is decrying members of the opposite sex, ......

In my wife's case, mentioned above, she is blaming her own sex but it is casual sexism nonetheless.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 08:57 AM

Back in the seventies, hitching through Scandinavia, it was explained to me in one small town that the women looked after children and managing the household whilst men took care of important things like politics and sport.

Recounting this caused me a great deal of grief from my 'progressive' friends.

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 09:10 AM

Reminds me of the old story of the woman who said that decisions were all shared in their home; but she left the important decisions to her husband: "I decide what we are going to eat, when it's time to get the children new shoes, where we should go on holiday this year. He makes the important decisions, tho -- like when the Prime Minister should call the next election, whether we should stay in the EU, what should be the Government's attitude to any Nuclear Proliferation treaty..."

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 09:37 AM

What people prefer to talk about is entirely up to them. If they prefer to talk about sport rather than clothes, or the other way round is their choice.

Observing whether the groups of women and men in your experience tend to talk in different ways about different things is interesting, and commenting on that is not sexist. Where sexism comes in is if on the basis of that you were to presume what a man or woman in a mixed group might wish to talk about.

There are differences in the way men and women communicate in my experience. How far that is cultural is unclear. It is common for men who are casual acquaintances or even friends to regularly socialise for years without knowing anything about each other's circumstances. My impression is that this would be highly unusual in women. I cannot see that such differences should somehow be seen as shameful, or something that should not be recognised.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 09:54 AM

Both female and male fishermen continue to reject fisher

I should hope so! A fisher is a
Weasel

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 10:16 AM

Hi

I am not sure whether this is sexism or ageism ....or both ??

When driving my wife always says when she sees a man driving wearing a cap and/or smoking a pipe - "give him a wide berth he doesn't know what he's doing.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 10:22 AM

Hi

We have friends where the husband always calls a female police officer as "a woman policeman" and the wife always uses "policewoman"...

Any sexism here ??

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 10:26 AM

"I will make you fishers of men," said Jesus: Matthew 4.19. He didn't mean weasels. It's really not·rite·brite to go on as if every word in the language had one sole application and definition, you know.

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Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 10:49 AM

Well, could it mean that Jesus was politically correct, way back then?

(I suspect, if captured correctly, he was "getting at" something else).

Regardless, fishermen can be fishers of fish, can they not?

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 10:56 AM

He wasn't actually speaking in English, you know...

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 11:02 AM

What language he was talking in is beside the point, Kevin -- which is that "fishers" was the word chosen by Wycliff, the 1616-ers, et al, to render what he said into English.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 11:32 AM

If I were a gay man, I guess I could take a different meaning to Wycliffs translation (if he were infallible in his translatHe wasn't actually speaking in English, you know...ion, that is).
;)

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 11:34 AM

Oddly, MOH,s comment appeared in my text-could it be devine intervention?

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 12:20 PM

It's really not·rite·brite to go on as if every word in the language had one sole application and definition, you know.

You really do need to get a life, Em Gee. Or at least a sense of humor.

Oh - and piss off.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 12:22 PM

GF yourself!

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 12:35 PM

Another deep and meaningful comment from Greg. Just once Greg, say something constructive.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 12:36 PM

Casual sexism is different from black tie sexism, I presume.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 01:55 PM

Just once Greg, say something constructive.

Ya mean by following Em Gee's sterling example It's really not·rite·brite to go on as if every word in the language had one sole application and definition, you know. perhaps, Hi?

Apparently you need to get a life as well, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 02:02 PM

Has anyone the remotest idea what this preternaturally unpleasant little person is on about? He is making not the faintest communication in this direction. Perhaps it is all part of this 'sense of humour' that he appears to rejoice in enjoining his betters to acquire.

In which case, to be obliging:

Hohoho ♥ily...

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 02:10 PM

More to the point, Em Gee, is what are YOU on about, beginning with 23 Oct 15 - 10:26 AM??

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 02:25 PM

Oh, what a nasty mouth. Just mind you don't poison yourself with your own spit, darling ❤

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 02:33 PM

Each language has sexist phrases and ideas but their are certain languages that have sexism built into their grammar such as gender based nouns. Even the gender of the changes with various European languages. I suppose that is more classic than casual.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 02:46 PM

Well, Em Gee- you intend to address the question, or just continue being rude ?

No need to respond, the answer is obvious.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 03:59 PM

Causal sexism causality?

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 04:01 PM

Causal sexism, causation causalty?

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 04:46 PM

I wish people would restrain themselves from getting into pointless tantrums like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:13 PM

Sorry, GF -- what question? Let's look back.

Oh -- I see. What I said about words with more than one meaning. Oh, right.

Well, there had been several posts about a 'fisher' being a species of weasel (notably yours), so what had that to do with it? So I pointed out that it had other meanings too (as words frequently have); in particular, and relevant to the question that was being canvassed, a synonym for 'fisherman'; as used by Jesus in the Gospel According To St Matthew. Then it appears, from you going on about senses of humour & stuff, that you meant it as a joke after all; so I obligingly said hoho; but even that wouldn't do for your wounded sensibilities, and you had to go on & on about it; climaxing in you saying I was being 'rude' — after you had o-so-charmingly concluded a post with an entirely otiose "Piss off" — which really was a laugh hohohohoho.

That all looks clear enough to me; so what on earth was your problem, that you thought worth being so peculiarly unpleasant and unmannerly about?

Got it now, ducky?

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:18 PM

...Not but what "unpleasant & unmannerly" would appear to be a fair summary of your pretty-well typical & customary MO. You really are the crabgrass in the Mudcat lawn, aren't you! - & seem to take an odd perverse sort of pride in coming across as a filthy-tempered yobbo. Boy, you must be a bundle of laughs to live with.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:56 PM

I just had to consult the NT lexicon and the Greek word is there rendered ...fisherman..., but presumably the Wycliffe/king James chose fisher , perhaps, as as well as retaining the same meaning , it would read better than .....make you fishermen of men !....

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 06:27 PM

RE: 23 Oct 15 - 05:13 PM Em Gee:

Piss off.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 07:35 PM

Brilliant Greg! Very thought provoking and informative.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 06:31 AM

Ooh. 24 hours gone and not another peep from poor old Gregory Filth. Sulking, is it den, coz some other person seems to think you as big a nasty steaming heap of drivelling dribbling brown stuff as I do?

Well that's what you get for setting out to spoil good, interesting threads started by your betters, you pathetic little upstart.

Off this thread now. I started it with best of intentions, and I think it was quite a good one. But it got polluted by that persistent stinking pollutant of this nice decent site. I wonder the vindictive little swine hasn't been flung off it neck & crop long since. High time he was if you ask me.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Mo the caller
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 08:23 AM

Well, back in the mid 60s we all got a newsletter from the Keele office that helped us find jobs. One of the visiting recruiters was looking for
"Arts and Science Graduates. Also openings for women"

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 08:57 AM

Em Gee: RE: 23 Oct 15 - 05:18 PM & 24 Oct 15 - 06:31 AM

You really a piece of work, aren't you? You've been throwing your childish tantrum for close to 48 hours now.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 08:58 AM

Give it up man, you're starting to look like a nut case.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 09:38 AM

I trust this will help with the discussion;)



Fisher Price 

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 10:01 AM

And I'll go on denouncing you for a dismal little waste of space and protoplasm for as long as I please, O Gregory·the·Filthy, and ask no leave of thee... You started this all, you know, with your charming Piss·Offs and then, lo'n'behold!, accusations of rudeness.

Piece·of·work right back in your mouldy teeth, bumface.

I see on checking that you are a very early Catter, right back to the previous millennium. What a pity you should have degenerated into such an out'n'out disgrace to the noble forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 10:09 AM

Greg, I'm sure we will have realised long ago that MGM can be as rude as he choses to be but other people are castigated for doing the same in return. Of course no blame can be attached to MGM as he is far superior to well..... every aphid at least. One reason for me posting as a guest is merely because I know it will give him an excuse for one of his verbose, turgid and pompous rants. Light the blue touch paper, retire to a safe distance and laugh my socks off at the belligerent old duffer.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 11:30 AM

LoL!

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 01:09 PM

Casual sexism? How about this week's lamentation from Maine Governor LePage: "Now, the legislature is going to have to fund it," LePage complained. "That's like giving my wife my checkbook."

"I'm telling you," he continued. "It's giving your wife your checkbook. Go spend."

(On the other hand, who nowadays uses a checkbook?)

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 04:22 PM

Gov. LePage is, and always has been, an asshole's asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 05:30 PM

For some things cheques are still by far the most convenient way of doing things. For example a club collecting some payment from members for an activity. A few years back in England it was proposed to abolish cheques, and a date was set for that. But sanity prevailed.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 05:53 PM

On the other hand, who nowadays uses a checkbook?

Plenty of folks who don't care to provide hackers with easy access to their account information and enable identity theft, for one.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 07:10 PM

Yep, scary world out there, best to hunker in the bunker and stash yo' cash.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 07:44 PM

Or, best to intelligently weigh the risks and act accordingly.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 08:48 PM

MGM's response to Steve's story about the typing class was sexist in assuming that the tutor was female.
(there were several male business studies/typing teachers in our local school over the years)

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 09:00 PM

Nice one, Gallus! Actually, the tutor was female. I didn't mention it because I didn't want to be accused of sexist stereotyping by saying something like "... and the woman tutor
would every now and again call out..." which would have contained an irrelevant reference to her gender.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 09:25 PM

--- and as for Ed T's knitting in the lunch break story -- why wait to be invited? Should've just brought his knitting in and joined them.
(our local school had a -male - teacher who did lunchtime knitting as a hobby, learned from his father who had been a lighthouse keeper.)

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 01:34 AM

Good grief!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 03:02 AM

Still -- most grovelling of apologies, Ms Gallus, if you really are offended by my out'n'out presumptuous sexism. Peccavi·o·peccavi! I fear it may be down·the·garden·to·eat·worms time again!!!....



≈M·the·o·so·penitent≈≈

teeheeheeheeheehee...

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Mo the caller
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 05:14 AM

Ed
Was your Fisher Price example prompted by the colour-coded clothing of the model, or the text which deals with a real difference (nothing sexist about the object, just practical)

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 06:53 AM

My Fisher Price link only related to the mini dispute that was going on at the time, which seemed to be over taking the discussion.Nothing more, except it contained the word Fisher;)

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 07:43 AM

Man cold?

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 07:44 AM

So did you think this mini-dispute liable to create a 'fisher' in the thread, then, Ed?

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 07:51 AM

Nope (he said not taking the bait).
Just have no desire to take such stuff so seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 07:53 AM

More of an explosion Michael, as in "Gone Fission"

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 07:59 AM

Oh, forgot, MGM, last post was a :), not a :(

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 10:34 AM

This preschool squabble is really getting very boring.
..........
These kind of discussions (leaving aside the tantrums) remind me of the time my colleagues at work, all female, were talking about men and getting a bit critical, and I'm getting on with my work, and one turns to me and says "Sorry, Kevin. We never think of you as being a man!"

I took it in the sense it was meant, as a kind of compliment.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Triplane
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 01:07 PM

Didn't God tell Adam that there would be beautiful women in every corner of the world ..... the she made the world round

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 26 Oct 15 - 09:16 AM

On sensitivity, from the Red Green TV Show:

""Red tries to get Dalton to guess the word 'Sensitive.'
Red Green: Alright... aware.
Dalton Humphries: Sober.
Red Green: Touchy.
Dalton Humphries: Feely.
Red Green: Touchy-feely.
Dalton Humphries: Richard Simmons?
Red Green: Compared to you, your wife is more...
Dalton Humphries: Overweight.
Red Green: Emotionally, she's more...
Dalton Humphries: Weepy!
Red Green: No, she notices things more, because she's...
Dalton Humphries: Picky.
Red Green: You would never say to your wife that she's picky, overweight or weepy because...
Dalton Humphries: Castration?
Red Green: The vertical hold on your television set.
Dalton Humphries: Sensitive.""

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 03:52 AM

Silly white boys with too much time on their hands, so they entertain politically correctness under a microscope...and, of course, the liberal thinking is to let the southern border pour forth bazillion LATIN Americans...they speak Spanish..a Romantic language derived from LATIN...where in Latin and Spanish(and French and Portuguese, among others, every noun is either male or female, preceded is 'El' or 'La', and ending in a 'O' or 'A', depending on the gender.......so now ya' might as well start figuring out how to correct their language, so suit your 'Sensitivities to Political Correctness'.

Rolls eyes...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 08:19 AM

I might actually agree with GfS if the southern border returned to is proper place between the Anglophone US and the conquered Mexican territories.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 09:15 AM

Read that as "the conquered Mexican territories that were stolen by the U.S. in order to expand slavery."

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST, ^*^
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 09:35 AM

Everything was stolen from someone at some point, the Spanish speaking part of Mexico used to be Indigenous nations. The slavery is gone (on paper), there was a long and proper debate about slavery in the US when the US Mexico War was looming (look up the Wilmot Proviso). Moving along.

Is "casual sexism" referring to the accepted status quo as it is represented today, with very little pushback? Young women today explaining why they don't need to be feminists because they can do everything they want to forget the battles their mothers fought for this to be so. They shouldn't have to live in their mother's shadows, but as they discover their own sexist battles to fight, they need to know their mothers still have their backs. Because the struggle their mothers have right now is that women get older they become invisible to the culture and that is just about as bad as being a sexualized object. Except Helen Mirren - she's still out there kicking ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 09:39 AM

That's right, Guest, move along, sweep it under the rug, nothing to see here.......

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 10:37 PM

Put the question to Margaret Atwood. I heard her on the Diane Rehm Show today, and a question came up about this generation of feminism. She said this is the third wave - the first were the "get the vote" suffragists, the second wave was (most strongly) from about 1968 through the 1970s. And today's young women are looking at some of the same issues as the past generation, but are also pushing harder on equal wages and perception shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Oct 15 - 11:47 PM

'GUEST, ^*^' makes a great point...after all, the Spanish speaking Mexico, are descendants of the Spanish conquerors....no word from the actual natives....which all goes to prove, if your going to conquer and take over people's lands, you better take care of your people there....but that was never the intention...gold was....sorta like 'liquid gold' of today....but that's another story....almost.

GfS

Oh, P.S...Greg, you were the one who is...'sweep it under the rug, nothing to see here.......'

"So-called liberals' don't have much vision, trying to look out of their box...truth just becomes an unwanted and rejected opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 07:52 AM

Actually Mexicans are descendants of the indigenous people as well as the Spanish conquerors, in many cases of both. The Spanish were brutal but less consistently genocidal than the Anglos.

One aspect where traditional hispanic culture is less sexist is when it comes to married and parental names. Whereas in the English speaking tradition a married woman is expected to adopt the husband's name, and even where she retains her own name, the children are almost certain to take the father's, in the Spanish tradition traditionally the woman retains her name, and the children will use both names, or whichever parents name they choose.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 02:07 PM

Apropos of absolutely nothing, the following couplet popped into my head today as I was looking at a coffee cup

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day,
But give the fish a bicycle and the fish might get away.

My wife reckoned that this might count as a casually sexist subversion of certain types of feminism. She approved of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 02:49 PM

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Aztecs were considerably more brutal than the Spanish. And besides that, we (kind of) paid for the Mexican Cession, which, not that anyone really cares, had been part of Spain for three hundred odd years, and only part of Mexico for about thirty years, and was thinly populated, mostly by people who were neither Spanish nor Mexican. And, as GUEST^*^ points out, there was the Wilmot Proviso. So only Texas had slaves. And, say what you want, we helped the Mexicans get rid of the French(though poor Emperor Maximillian was as enlightened and progressive as Benito Juarez, and didn't get the fact that he was a a puppet of Napoleon III, and not the liberator of the Mexican people).

I mention this only because MGM is active in this thread, and I thought he'd appreciate mention of Maximillian because his wife was the real "Mad Carlotta", which I may have pointed out before...but we are all getting older, aren't we?

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 04:03 PM

Give a man a bag of coal and he'll be warm for the night.

Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 05:08 PM

Better check your history books, Stim - the Wilmot Proviso was blocked in Congressand never took effect.

The U.S. / Mexican War was a fabricated land grab, however you want to try to whitewash it.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 11:59 PM

Greg: "The U.S. / Mexican War was a fabricated land grab, however you want to try to whitewash it."

So was the Spanish invasion of Mexico....and the British invasion of what is now America....and on and on and on. So is Putin in the Ukraine....how come you 'so-called liberals' have 'selective attention spans'??...sorta like "You can't live up to your double standards"!
You forgot the global corporate oligarchies vs the nationalists, eh??

Just keeping you straight there, young feller...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 09:00 AM

Greg F: On the other hand, who nowadays uses a checkbook?

Plenty of folks who don't care to provide hackers with easy access to their account information and enable identity theft, for one.


Bwah ha ha ha ....what do you think that line of numbers across the bottom of your cheques contains?

Let's see: Sort Code and Account Number. And your name's on the cheque, as is the name and address of your bank! Which is more information than the recipient of my money gets when I do a "Fast Pay" internet bank transfer.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 09:16 AM

So was the Spanish invasion of Mexico....and the British invasion of what is now America....and on and on and on.

Well, that makes it OK then, dunnit Goofus? Johnnie hit me first!

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 09:17 AM

Sort Code and Account Number. And your name's on the cheque, as is the name and address of your bank!

Yup Rob, none of which a hacker in Dumbfuckistan has access to.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 10:42 AM

Greggie: "Well, that makes it OK then, dunnit Goofus? Johnnie hit me first!"

Yeah, and in 1492 Columbus discovered America from the Indians...BTW, were the Native Americans Conservatives or Liberals??
Political nutcases are SO-O-O-O 'concerned' selectively. Next, you'll be saying that the massacre at Wounded Knee was to further a political agenda, so it was OK!...a bright spot in American history, to advance where YOU are now!!

Just a thought.....try it, it won't hurt!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 12:30 PM

Time for your nap, Goofus.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 12:30 PM

Actually, slavery was effectively kept out by the compromise of 1850, but it is more fun to say "Wilmot Proviso".

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 12:46 PM

Britain apologies for sexist game 

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 02:52 PM

slavery was effectively kept out by the compromise of 1850

Sorry, Stim, time for you to hit the books & review your basic U.S. history - the "Compromise of 1850" didn't keep slavery out of Texas. And the "Wilmot Proviso" never went into effect.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 03:04 PM

Speaking about Texas:


The sexes in texas-in a song 

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 05:22 AM

Didn't say it did, GregF. We were talking about the Mexican Cession--the massive area that was ceded to the US in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo at end of the Mexican-American War-this acquisition did not include Texas--The Republic of Texas entered the Union as a slave state in 1845, after breaking away from Mexico in 1836(but you know that).

It is true that the war was connected to the claim that the Rio Grande was Texas' southern border--you can call that a land grab if you want (an arguable point because the population was mostly Anglo and self-identified as Texans), I don't want to fight about it, they all ready did that.      

For anyone who cares:About the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 06:09 AM

That beast isn't a weasel,

It's called a Pine Martin here in the UK,
We have loads of the little buggers, they break into hen houses and kill the chickens.. :0(.

Sorry I haven't been following this thread just had a look at Greg's link.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 06:14 AM

Spooky point, the local gamekeeper caught one and put it in a metal box overnight intending to "rehabilitate" it in the morning.
The box was locked and only 10mm air holes in the lid. When he unlocked the box the Martin was gone!!   true story.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 06:21 AM

Stim -- Can't get point of your ref to me in your post about Maximilien & "Mad Carlotta" 2 days ago. Enlighten if feel like it, but no big deal if not.

Regards

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 06:45 AM

"(On the other hand, who nowadays uses a checkbook?)"

A few of my suppliers will not accept card payments.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 07:37 AM

What, in the UK, is a 'checkbook'? The thing I carry is a chequebook.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 08:27 AM

I'm sorry Michael, I was quoting Ebbie....should have made that clear.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 10:04 AM

We USAsians have pine martins too, Ake - the Fisher is a larger, different critter. And they're both members of the weasel family mustelidae.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 11:05 AM

The animal's name is the pine marten. In Great Britain it is very rare except in some parts of the Scottish Highlands. Even so, the total population probably numbers fewer than 5000. Someone around here is getting their mammals confused.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 12:47 PM

M-"Mad Carlota" was name given to the woman in the portrait in "Vertigo", a film that I know you like. Her back story was a fictionalized version of a part of the real Carlota's story--

Her soubriquet is an example of your "casual sexism", she was actually the driving force behind Maximillian--she was determined to be a benevolent monarch: a radical reformer, she was reputed to be fearless, built hospitals, worked tirelessly for the poor, and actually took over Max's role as regent much of the time, She was much involved in directing the military efforts in the ongoing war with the insurgents, and was a formidable diplomat. She was on a mission to France to confront Napoleon III and demand that he restore military support when Max was captured and executed.

At this point, she had a rather public breakdown, and has been generally tagged with the stereotypical "madwoman" label, rather than regarded for either her efforts or her talents and intellect.

Incidentally, she was the daughter of King Leopold I--Marie Charlotte Amelie Augustine Victoire Clementine Leopoldine of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha--

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 05:49 PM

Sorry Greg....didn't mean to contradict you or be a smart arse.
Interesting to learn about the Fisher, I had never heard of it.

Martins are quite common here but are rarely seen except during the hours of darkness

When visiting my wife in hospital lately, one came up to the glass door and peered into the visitors area, standing on his hind legs.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 08:47 PM

It wasn't a pine marten.

Subject: RE: BS: Casual sexism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Oct 15 - 10:24 PM

Martins were established in 1833.....but that too, is a different story...

GfS