BS: New manager a credit to soccer

Subject: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 02:13 AM

Just thought it worth remarking what a very nice man Herr Klopp of the Kop, Liverpool FC's new manager, seems to be. He may self-deprecatingly dub himself 'the ordinary one' [as distinct from Mr Mourinho, Chelsea's 'special one']; but what an extraordinarily pleasant personality comes across nevertheless. I find it cheering to watch Liverpool play at the moment as a result -- even tho I am a lifelong Gooner [ie, for the uninitiated, an Arsenal fan].

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Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 04:11 AM

yes, he seems like a good bloke. as does slaven bilic currently doing a great job with the hammers. i may even be able to forgive him for a horrible bit of cheating that saw the french defender laurent blanc sent off against croatia and subsequently missed the world cup final. it was 1996 and really it was the officials' fault, so maybe it's time. now i have written it down i feel i have let it go. the hammers win against chelsea was brilliant - not least because slaven bilic's tactics and behaviour were in such stark contrast to a cheating, petulant chelsea whose players seemed to reflect their manager's attitude - though lacking any suggestipon of his occasional wit.

however - either off them may well be a credit to football - never 'soccer'

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 04:32 AM

Glad you agree in general, ach. But your final point is misguided. I have long argued, here & elsewhere, that the prevalent use of 'football' for only one of the manifestations of that term [Rugby football, American football, Gaelic football, Oz-rules football, &c &c &c] is a loose & idle solecism. 'Soccer' for 'Association football' {analagously to to 'rugger' for 'Rugby football'} is a fine example of that rather charming C19 Oxford* affectation of abbreviating everything & then adding an '-er' at the end, which found its apotheosis in 'waggerpaggerbagger' for 'wastepaper basket'.

But a bit early in the thread for too much drift, imo -- may we get back to Mr Klopp, if you please!

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*& I speak as a Cambridge man at that, but credit where it is due.

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 09:08 AM

I think that I heard correctly on TalkSport last night that Sheffield Wednesday had put out a weakened side to face Arsenal due to them having a big game at the weekend against Nottingham Forest?

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 09:22 AM

nah, mate. it's football, innit?

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 10:11 AM

Only to the resolutely imprecise!

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 10:12 AM

...or ignorant. Which you?

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 10:52 AM

i prefer to be resolutely pedantic - in my own ignorant way. i am afraid i just can't see the word 'soccer' without giving it an american accent - 'sacca' it ain't! and don't get me started on their ridiculous alternative Advertising Rules Football.....

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 10:55 AM

I agree with MGM on this. In a context where several codes of football liable to be discussed, it makes sense to use "soccer". The same principal should apply to the other codes. Just good manners.

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 11:34 AM

Thank you Kevin. What particularly irritates me is when people will contrast them by the wrong names, as in e.g. "Did you play rugby or football at your school?" Makes my blood run cold. That is surely why the distinction, admittedly perhaps a bit pedantic at this time of day with regard to popular usage, should be preserved. The fact, achm, that you suffer from this mnemonic mental ref to American usage, is purely your own problem, and should not be allowed to override the overall public interest.

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I think it worth pointing out also, at risk of maintaining this drift further than it perhaps should persist, that in the public school novels of late·19-early·20C by the likes of Talbot Baines Reid and Alec Waugh, 'football' tout-simple invariably meant Rugby football.

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 11:38 AM

Never soccer. A revolting corruption from the dreaming spires of flogging, warming the toilet seats for the senior chaps and being deathly afraid of dropping the soap in the showers or being tucked up in bed by the prefects. Football. Let the other varieties go hang and add an adjective. Football. The beautiful game.

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 11:40 AM

There is, eg, a bit early on in Alec Waugh's The Loom Of Youth where the new boy, playing his first game of 'football' at his new school, steadies himself and boots the ball as he had been used to doing at his prep school; only for it to skew off into an opponent's hands to score an immediate try. "You bloody little fool," said a voice; "for God's sake no soccer tricks here!"

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Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 11:44 AM

He should have gone to Specsavers.

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 11:45 AM

Ah, welcome Steve -- our revered forum's ☠Devil-s·advocate-in-chief☠!

♫May be right
May be wrong
But we're sure to miss you when you're gone...♫

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 11:47 AM

Now -- prettyprettypretty·purlease!

Any more on Herr Klopp!?

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:03 PM

I beg to be allowed to reserve judgement for a few weeks to see what happens after the honeymoon.I seem to recall that Brendan Rodgers was similarily welcomed by the supporters of that famous club.

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:12 PM

Not a matter of his success or otherwise in the job, tho, Rag. I merely remarked in OP on what an agreeable personality comes over from him IMO, and wonder if others respond to him similarly. How much the club will prosper under his ægis is certainly an equally important, but separate, consideration.

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Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:50 PM

Hi Michael

From what I have seen Klopp appears to be a reasonable guy and he certainly has the track record to prove his ability as a manager.
He should do well at Liverpool because he is intense about the game and Liverpool usually are. I believe though that Brendan Rogers was dismissed prematurely. However time will tell.

With regard to the football v soccer thing up here in the Northwest soccer is rarely if ever used. Is it a regional thing? By the same token up here it is always rugby and never rugger. Of course we do have to specify which code of rugby, rugby will always indicate rugby union and League/or rugby league for the other code.

But soccer and rugger......never.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 01:20 PM

in cumbria rugby is usually league (and neither code is ever 'football' - the term 'rugby football' is never heard) surely it is rugby that has the real problem with confusion over the name. football is football - and (very) occasionally beautiful

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: fat B****rd
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 01:26 PM

Good thing it's not a matter of life and death...

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 02:47 PM

American football, achmel? Celtic football? Gaelic football? Oz Rules football?

Oh, play your games & hope it keeps fine for you -- so that whatever football you imaginne ypu are playing won't get rained off

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 03:23 PM

Hi FB

<" Good thing it's not a matter of life and death... ">

No it's more important than that.

If klopp is half has good as "Shanks" Liverpool will be hppy.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 04:04 PM

Don't just say God. Say Shankly.

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: fat B****rd
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 04:47 PM

Mr. Shankly lived near me in Cleethorpes when he managed Grimsby Town in the early 50s. Nice man as I recall.

Subject: RE: BS: New manager a credit to soccer
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 05:32 PM

Nice man? NICE MAN??

"I met the Dalai Lama once. He seemed like a nice man..."

"I met Nelson Mandela once. He seemed like a nice man..."

"I met JS Bach once. He seemed like a nice man..."

"I met God once. He seemed like a nice man..."