BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.

Subject: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 12:55 PM

I think I've it figured out: The people who loved Palin are the ones who now love Trump. It is just that they have more hope now because Trump is louder and even less self-disciplined, and they believe the bulldozer approach will work. But it's the same people. Trust me.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Kampervan
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 01:00 PM

let's just hope that he does as well as she did.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 01:37 PM

:) They will probably scramble for a periodic toehold in our news for the rest of their lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 03:32 PM

Yeah??..and if you LOVED Pinocchio, you'll LOVE Hilary!!...
..That being said, the 'SO-CALLED' liberals would vote for her, just because she is a woman Democrat...no matter how much she lies her ass off to you!!

True story!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 03:46 PM

If you're going to insult her at least learn how to spell the name, GfS. It's Hillary.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 03:54 PM

I almost typed 'Hilarious'....except she isn't hilarious, either...'pathetic' is a closer adjective.

I was once criticized for spelling it with two 'L's...and told it was one...so I checked...this time it's two....and I wasn't trying to 'insult' her....just calling it the way it is!
She's a lying sack of shit!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 05:11 PM

Acme, Mrs Clinton has a dreadful record in Foreign Policy.....surely the Democrats can come up with someone better, especially at this extremely dangerous juncture.

Sanity is being rather outspoken, but has history on his side.
Seems to me she would be better suited to representing the Republicans.   I think it MUST be the electability factor, surely the US electorate are not that naïve?

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 06:13 PM

You know the main reason why you insist that Hillary Clinton is such a liar? It is because certain members of the media say so. Do a little homework for a change. A refreshing change.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 06:49 PM

Ake, you're in the UK and I'm in the US. And you're telling me about Hillary Clinton's record? Filtered through what yellow news media? History isn't on Gust's side. Look into the charges - they hold no water. But Gust would hope, as you apparently do, that if political fiction is repeated often enough it becomes true.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 07:31 PM

No fiction Acme, I watched her speeches on Libya, pushing a reluctant President to take action. Watched her push for war in Iraq.....I do not think she is stupid, I think she is power hungry....the "dynasty thing"
I have read many of her articles, in fact I study politics rather closely.
I would guess that I have a better insight into Mrs Clinton's MO than the typical American, just as I would expect you to have a better understanding of UK politics than the average Brit.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 08:06 PM

I would guess that I have a better insight into Mrs Clinton's MO than the typical American,

You guess wrong, Pharoah. And your extended anti-Clinton tirade is getting tiresome at best.

And I'm no fan of Mrs. Clinton, but horseshit is still horseshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 08:19 PM

Come on Greg, you can't have it both ways, you keep saying the average American voter is "dumb", well I'm not dumb regarding politics, neither are you and neither is Acme.
We all have valid points of view, but you appear to prefer to hold your nose and vote for the label?

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 08:21 PM

"I would guess that I have a better insight into Mrs Clinton's MO than the typical American..." ake

As Greg F did not say: Horse pucky. Of course you say that, because it is your opinion. However, your opinion is just that: your opinion. Your opinion and a US dollar in some cities will get you a bus ride.

Pardon me- but the situation in Paris is grievous. So, just for decency's sake, hold your tongue.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 08:21 PM

It's a VERY mixed bag...but TOO FAR mixed to trust.. Judge for yourself

Besides, "What difference does it make!?!?".--Hillary Clinton (at a very animated moment, during the Benghazi hearings) when pressed on the fabricated story she was peddling to the American people about the video vs. an attack....I assume you know about it.....and just don't care.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 08:24 PM

For the sake of gawd, Windy, get some facts. You like to think of the media as being shills - when you don't quote accurately and with context, you are a shill.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 08:25 PM

Snopes??????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 15 - 08:40 PM

and it matters to me, because the UK is tied to US Foreign Policy.

From what I have read lately, there is no comparison between Mr Sanders and Mrs Clinton.....centre left people should ALL be voting for Sanders.
In the UK the Labour party has a real socialist as leader, elected in a landslide by the party membership.....The Parliamentary Labour MPs are for the most part self serving hypocrites in the mould of Tony Blair......the party membership(the rank and file) want a rather mild form of socialism to combat the austerity agenda of the tories.
The sitting MPs don't want anything to do with socialism as they think it will make Labour unelectable.
Mr Corbyn(the leader) seems to be working to educate the electorate, to explain what socialism really means and he knows that it will take a decade or more for change to happen. Sometime "electability" is meaningless if people don't know what the labels they vote for signify
Politics should not be about jobs for the boys and girls who toe the line, it should be about principles and constructing a fairer society

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 15 - 03:59 AM

If GfS can't spell Hillary, then what price the Scottish specimen who can't even spell his own moniker?

In Scotland, you have it easy. A party decided to treat everybody equally, came to power in your devolved government where The UK government wipes your ass anyway and to the surprise of many, turned out to be good for all, even if they can't afford it.

The SNP introduced marriage for all, regardless of gender. It stated recently to have gender equality on boards of public sector bodies. It has cruel sports with animals in its sights and it enjoys the prosperity and jobs that UK allows it to have through Trident.

Don't confuse your utopia with the stain we call US politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Nov 15 - 06:20 AM

The Muskets return :0(......Mods!!

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Nov 15 - 08:21 AM

It certainly looks as though Americans are going to be faced with a pretty depressing choice next year. Of course if Trump ends up as the Republican candidate, it'd be not just depressing, but terrifying, and not just for Americans. He'd make Dubya look quite tolerable in retrospect.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 14 Nov 15 - 08:22 AM

"It's easier to take the stairs going down than it is the stairs going up--unless you're MC Escher."

YT

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 14 Nov 15 - 09:15 AM

On the bright side, America must be about to locate the bottom of the gene pool. That info will be good for something I'm sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 14 Nov 15 - 05:03 PM

To me, as a Brit, Carly Fiorina looks more scary than Trump. Trump is such an obvious wingnut that even Cameron could see through him. I hope. He would be besotted with Fiorina.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 15 - 05:06 PM

It seems Trump is the testosterone-fueled version of Palin ...witness his mini temper-tantrum the other day in Iowa when he railed "how stupid can the people of Iowa be?" (addressing a group of Iowans in Iowa) because he's lost some ground to Ben Carson in that state (do you suppose his campaign advisors just threw in the towel at that point?...oh to be a fly on the wall when they met afterwards ..."This guy is a loose cannon! We can't do anything with him.." --or thereabouts). It was Trump's version of Palin's "I can see Russia from my window" profound observation....

Kudos to Fox Business channel the other night during the debate for actually directing some substantive questions towards the candidates regarding the economy, banking, trade...stuff you would expect from a business-oriented news organization-- and a telling moment when a couple other candidates got deep in the weeds arguing the finer points of some policy issue: dead silence from Carson and Trump ...a telling moment since neither Trump nor Carson has studied the issues enough to comment no further than to mouth some simple-minded platitudes aimed at pleasing the low-info voter. "Let's make America great again!" (through ignorance of the issues) ...

Sen. Rand Paul gets the debate award for making Trump look like an amateur on trade policy after Trump was asked his opinion of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement and Trump plays his China-bashing card (which reads, more or less, "China is bad. They don't play fair. They beat me up on the playground and took my lunch money away."). Paul: "Ummm... I think we should point out that China is not part of this deal..."   ..this from the senator from Kentucky and home-perm cautionary tale (as Stephen Colbert described him) Rand Paul...(did Trump later tweet that Rand Paul's mother wears army boots...or some other clever come-back?).

Trump will probably declare all Americans dumb as a box of hammers when the nomination goes to some other candidate. As retribution he will threaten to buy all the states who caused him to lose and turn them into golf courses.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Nov 15 - 08:23 PM

Actually, pointing out that Alaska is right next to Russia was quite a valid point to make. I suspect there might actually be a fair number of Americans who weren't actually aware of the fact. (Not just Americans, quite possibly a good few Russians.)

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Nov 15 - 03:55 AM

I agree Mr McGrath, I still think the US missed a chance to break the political shackles in Mrs Palin.......To compare her to Mr Trump is ridiculous.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 15 - 04:11 AM

Perhaps before he calls the moderators he at least gets the nationality of a person posting right. Never mind who he would like the person to be.

As I said, Scotland is a model that those who worry about the Republican v Democrat circus may take heart from. You do it a state legislature at a time regardless of White House incumbent and if your party captures the imagination of the people, then your grass root movement could either alter the main party lines or provide an alternative.

The people of Scotland were fed up with sectarian lines, bigotry and the national government taking them for granted. The SNP promised a liberal inclusive local government and they have been true to their word, reflecting what people wanted. Public services, equality and inclusiveness. They tackled bigoted opposition to gay marriage, promote gender equality in the board room, try to protect front line public services and stick to their motto "prosperity through equality."

Nobody ever said a level playing field brings results but it's a start... Compare that to the GOP candidates.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 15 Nov 15 - 08:12 AM

Aketung wrote: "I still think the US missed a chance to break the political shackles in Mrs Palin."
Yeah, we really blew it there. Lost our chance to elect a narcissistic dunce who resigned half way through her first and only term as guv to sign a lucrative contract to host a reality TV show and to avoid an investigation into her use of state employees to pursue a vendetta against a private individual. Pity, with her as prez we might be winning the "War on Christmas".

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 15 - 08:19 AM

...yeah but seeing Russia from your window does not make a person knowledgeable on foreign policy as it relates to the US-Russia relationship, just as being about 90 miles from Cuba doesn't make the residents of Miami, Florida experts on the Castro regime, just as being able to bash China because of some of their trade policies doesn't make Trump knowledgeable on the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement...which was the point.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Nov 15 - 08:39 AM

The difference between Trump and Palin is that she has tits and he is one.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Nov 15 - 11:08 AM

:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Nov 15 - 11:19 AM

No, it doesn't make any difference either way, but it wa a fair point to make, to remind people of the fact we live on a globe, not a flat Mrrcator map world.

Like the trick question, which states on the USA are furthest East and furthest West? And the answer to both is Alaska.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Nov 15 - 01:52 PM

Just to keep the record straight, Palin never claimed to be able to see Russia from her home. That was Tina Fey in her impersonation of Palin.

In reality, Russia and Alaska are their closest to each other at a certain point across the Bering Strait, a good many miles up-coast. The islands, Little Diomede (American) and Big Diomede (Russian) are fewer than three miles apart, and therefore visible to each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Nov 15 - 03:58 PM

Tina didn't start it, she picked it up from Palin, who may have been speaking metaphorically, but it didn't come out that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Nov 15 - 04:13 PM

Here's Palin saying what she said about etc., etc., etc.

Of course I apologize if the facts get in anyone's way. That said, Palin was and is a bloody idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Nov 15 - 04:15 PM

And who put the alas in Alaska?

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Nov 15 - 05:02 PM

Like I said, Palin was not the author of the line. Thanks, Guest#. And you are right: Palin is a bloody idiot and likely to remain that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 16 Nov 15 - 05:51 PM

Ebbie, we have our share of them here. You are not alone. It's a puzzle to me why so many 'alternate universe' people get elected and what goes through the minds of an electorate that votes for them. I think media has run away with the show as it were. Key at this point is to keep track of them and always avoid stupid people in groups :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Nov 15 - 06:06 PM

Hmmm..... better to avoid "clever" politicians singly OR in groups #.

Seriously, I'm not sure that being "university educated" is a positive when looking for a political leader.

They need that special ingredient the ability to inspire trust, the common touch, unshakable belief in themselves and the ability to persuade large numbers of people to their cause
This would especially apply to someone who wished to make great changes in society..

Few have the gift of leadership

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Nov 15 - 06:18 PM

They need that special ingredient the ability to inspire trust, the common touch, unshakable belief in themselves and the ability to persuade large numbers of people to their cause

Hmmmm......................like Hitler?

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Nov 15 - 06:26 PM

I prefer the analogy of Fidel Castro....but you have a point Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 15 - 06:51 PM

Think Bill Clinton. You may not have liked him if you're a conservative, but he has charisma, charm, and is smart. He has feet of clay, but he was one excellent politician. Having not only a college degree but advanced degrees gave him the tools to do the job.

Palin couldn't stay put in one college, she jumped around until someone finally let her graduate, probably making her sign a form saying that if they let her graduate with a BA she would not torment any other institutions of higher education in her "pursuit" of education.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Nov 15 - 07:13 PM

I did not see Bill Clinton as an inspirational leader, although he did have a sleazy charm.....an excellent politician? I suppose Tony Blair was also "an excellent politician"........not exactly a compliment. Both were crooks, devious self serving and completely immoral, egos adrift.

No particular benefit to society.

"A leader is born, not made"

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Nov 15 - 08:41 PM

"...always avoid stupid people in groups" Great advice!

I suspect that Acme is right- they finally let Palin graduate. From her 5th college, if I recall correctly. She got -not necessarily, earned - a degree in journalism. Not sure what she learned from it.

I don't think of Bill Clinton as having had "a sleazy charm". The man, I think, does have empathy with people. It is too bad that his own little demons were not contained.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: frogprince
Date: 16 Nov 15 - 09:22 PM

Are ya sure you don't mean "...too bad that his own little demon was not contained" ?

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Nov 15 - 01:46 AM

ha!

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Nov 15 - 04:52 AM

and he could play Our Monica! And ride White Water.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Nov 15 - 10:31 AM

I think what we're facing is a world-wide awakening of sorts wherein people are choosing between degrees of authoritarianism and governments that are responsible to the electorate (which is after all what responsible government means).

There is a fundamental difference between the views held by Conservatives/Republicans and those held by Socialists/Liberals that seems to dance between how labour is perceived and whether humans are simply a source of capital. We've seen the beginning of a Conservative return-to-the-drawing-board regarding their philosophy in Canada, but the country has been left in such a deplorable mess after nine years of Conservative corruption that the incoming Liberals have a big pile of doodoo to clean up, and they will be held accountable come the next election in 2019.

I think it likely that Republicans will have to face the fact they do not know what they're doing and let a more rational group of people govern. Who that rational group is will be decided in your (the USA's) next federal election. The voice of the Republicans is out of proportion to its worth. They simply own more media, and that's where today's connected world gets its information from. I doubt the Republican popular vote will exceed 43% simply because Americans are not as stupid as their media shows them to be or tries to convince them they are. Time will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 15 - 10:52 AM

Two things I like about palin, left and right

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Nov 15 - 11:59 AM

She thinks she has a divine right when in fact her left ain't bad, either.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Nov 15 - 12:29 PM

The problem is #, that they both work for the same boss.
It's "good cop"/ "bad cop" and they are both working for capitalism.

We see it here in the UK now, back a few years ago politicians were elected on their personal credentials and the Socialists (who are not always liberals BTW) really fought to change the system, while the old "one nation conservatives" wanted the economy to run along as it always had done, (trickle down economics)
They (the conservatives) had a point, we were a top manufacturing nation we could steal resources and pay good money....as Mr MacMillan used to say "we've never had it so good"

Now the wheel has gone full circle we no longer manufacture and our young people are too expensive to train, almost all "Labour" politicians hold no socialist principles in fact they hate the word because socialism is no longer understood by the electorate, it has been assigned to the political dustbin.   It will take at least a decade to re-educate a population which can no longer sustain itself under capitalist economics.

We are being fooled by capitalist politicians and a capitalist media into accepting mad social change in place of meaningful systemic change......somewhere along the line we will have to accept that now we are on the wrong side of the capitalist cycle.
Natural resources are diminishing, we are reduced to importing cheap foreign labour in a vain attempt to support a wasteful and unsustainable lifestyle.

I think that exactly the same scenario is being played out in the US, the partisan attitudes of our members proves it. Change will never be achieved while two sections of the population are at each others throats......there is a slightly socialist candidate available in Bernie, but millions of centre left people will vote for Mrs Clinton, despite the fact that she is really a hawkish, right wing "liberal", because they like "winning" meaningless elections.

As they say in the US....."Go figure"

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 15 - 12:54 PM

If anybody has a dictionary, open it at "liberal" and read it out to him, will they?

Scotland is run by a liberal party, SNP. New Labour was everything the liberal party itself wanted to be.

The USA? The more the likes of Trump and Palin are out forward as political possibilities, the more the world worries.

That said, Akenaton is oddly on the ball regarding a manufacturing country vs a non manufacturing country and capitalism. Just forgot to factor in that the money is stateless.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Nov 15 - 12:58 PM

She's a lying sack of shit!

Like you are yourself, Goofus?

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Nov 15 - 01:18 PM

If that is so--they both work for the same boss--then we are well and truly hooped. May as well scatter the ashes as we speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 15 - 03:02 PM

Meet the new boss same as the old boss

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Nov 15 - 08:25 PM

If God Opens The Door, Sarah Palin Is Ready To Run Again

Posted: 11/17/2015

WASHINGTON -- Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) is keeping the door open to running for office again, saying she believes God doesn't want her to let her talents go to waste.

"I would [consider a run for office] because ... we know that we're equipped with passions, with interests, we're given those by our creator," Palin said Tuesday in an interview with conservative host Brian Kilmeade.

The 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee has been floating the idea of running for office again in recent days as she tries to sell more books. On CBS's "Sunday Morning," she said she would be "willing" to throw her hat in the ring, and in a "Good Morning America" interview on Tuesday, she said God would show her the way forward politically.

"Living my life, putting it in God's hands, you just never know what door may be opened," Palin said. "And if that door was opened, I'm built to run through it."

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Nov 15 - 12:08 AM

Palin? Yikes!

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Nov 15 - 10:50 AM

As zztop said, she got legs she knows how to use them

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 02:14 AM

Palin or Trump? Neither induces nursing a semi.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 06:16 AM

I think if it came to a choice, many "liberals" would prefer Mr Trump to Mrs Palin, although Mr Trump fails to energise anyone but the commercial right and those who support it against their own interests.

Mrs Palin has appeal right across the political spectrum with the exception of born again Democrats who only vote for the label and politically savvy Republicans who both see her a huge danger to the political status quo. Whether you like her or loathe her she has definite leadership qualities......and the political establishment are running scared.

I know that I'm only a cynical old UKer, but I still see the rejection of someone with Mrs Palin's potential as a chance missed.
Surely anyone who even contemplates voting for Mrs Clinton, who as far as I can see has a terrible record in FP and no vision at all for the future, must be willing to try to change the political mold.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 07:59 AM

Palin has leadership qualities????

Just when you thought pointing and laughing at him was getting boring.

😂

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 08:37 AM

Mrs Palin has appeal right across the political spectrum

Only insofar as that "spectrum" comprises the idiotic and ignorant.

Surely anyone who even contemplates voting for Mrs Clinton... must be willing to try to change the political mold.

And vote for a brain-dead bimbo, Pharoah? Your blind hatred of Mrs. Clinton has never been more obvious.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 08:44 AM

Here's the sort of folks that would vote for Palin:

ENGLEWOOD, Colo.
(AP) Wednesday, November 18, 2015 —

A Denver-area store called Isis Books & Gifts wants the world to know its name comes from the Egyptian goddess of healing and motherhood and it isn't run by terrorists.

Co-owner Jeff Harrison said Wednesday that the suburban Denver shop has been vandalized five times in the past year or so, probably by people who mistake the name for ISIS, one of the acronyms for the Islamic State terrorist group.

The latest vandalism came last weekend when a store sign was smashed after the terrorist attacks in Paris that killed 129 people.

The store sells books and gifts related to spirituality, religion and healing.

"Isis is the name of an Egyptian goddess, 3,500 years old at least, the goddess of women and healing and childbirth — basically the antithesis of everything the terrorists are about," he said.

Harrison suspects the vandals are "some ignorant people believing that somehow the terrorists have a store, a gift store, in the middle of Denver, Colorado."

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 11:50 AM

"I know that I'm only a cynical old UKer, but I still see the rejection of someone with Mrs Palin's potential as a chance missed."

Ake, what has she ever espoused that is good? Leave Hillary out of it and just talk about Palin if you would be so kind. I am willing to be educated--very much so. I think she's a twit (just so's we understand each other :-)).

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 12:01 PM

"Just when you thought pointing and laughing at him was getting boring."......."Musket Alert!!!"   Prepare to have the site closed down...:0)

Greg, you seem to be misunderstanding what I was getting at. I know you don't like Mrs Palin, but surely you dislike the Pub/Dem circus more? Nothing will change until the political status quo is challenged.

Mr Obama was a really nice guy, and folks had high hopes that he would bring in the change that he promised, but the system defeated him.....he wasn't allowed to bring in any change which radically altered the corporate biased political system.
Did Mr Obama try very hard? No, I don't think he did, he is a cautious lawyer steeped in corporate Chicago Democrat politics. It simply is not in his nature to rock the corporate boat.

Mrs Palin would have been a wild card, a populist, who I think could have united left right and centre. The Republican grandees feared and hated her even more than they did Mr Obama. The people who rule capitalism are happy for the "good cop/bad cop" scenario to continue.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 12:11 PM

Mrs Palin would have been a wild card, a populist, who I think could have united left right and centre.

What drugs are you on? Or what planet?

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 01:26 PM

What I think will make no difference to anything Greg, but one thing I have learned in my lifetime, is that relying on the political establishment to change anything in real terms is a pipe dream.
they look after their own interests and any one who rocks the boat is demonised ......as is happening in the UK right now, where Labour Party MPs are trying to obstruct and remove a leader (who was elected by a huge majority of Party members), for daring to talk about socialism.

Mrs Palin is not a political apparatchik. She tells it as she sees it and it would be in her interests to represent the whole electorate not a sector.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 01:51 PM

Mrs Palin is not a political apparatchik.

Absolutely- she's a not-too-bright asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 05:34 PM

"Mrs Palin has appeal right across the political spectrum with the exception of born again Democrats who only vote for the label and politically savvy Republicans who both see her a huge danger to the political status quo."

This is just too funny for words.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: frogprince
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 07:16 PM

Amen, Ebbie.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#34
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 07:39 PM

Death panels. 'Nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 08:06 PM

The last thing that Palin, or Trump, or Dr. Batshit Crazy are is funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 10:29 PM

Right, Greg F- but people's opinions can be funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 20 Nov 15 - 04:35 AM

How can one claim to be so knowledgeable about American politics and yet be so utterly ignorant at the same time. Aketung, you need to broaden your information sources beyond right wing scandal sheets like the Washington Times.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Nov 15 - 02:36 PM

"How can one claim to be so knowledgeable about American politics and yet be so utterly ignorant at the same time."

How can one claim to be so knowledgeable about American politics and yet be so utterly ignorant at the same time, by supporting either party??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Nov 15 - 04:51 PM

Different day, same old poop, eh Goofus? Take a break, why dontcha?

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Nov 15 - 04:55 PM

Or better still, take a hike.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Nov 15 - 06:48 PM

Not just Trump- all the Repugnican presidential contenders want to round 'em up.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Nov 15 - 12:44 PM

Take a break???..Take a hike???...Why, thank you for considering my health!!

Now why don't you (or can't you) come up with an original thought, that doesn't come from some stupid talking point issued by those who want to control your every thought...as if you were capable...or had one.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Nov 15 - 04:54 AM

I suppose what I'm saying is that US politics seems to be stuck in a partisan political dogfight between two parties who both work in the interests of one small section of society.

At the moment, anyone who looks capable of breaking the grid lock is demonised or sidelined.
If you want "change" it will be necessary to attack the whole political establishment, not just continue the war of attrition against your most hated label.

The people who constitute this forum are for the most part extremely intelligent, I am amazed by the totally partisan nature of their political positions.
They fail to see ANTHING positive in their opponents, or anything negative in their own "representatives"? This means of course that nothing in the way of political change can ever be achieved, especially from a left perspective.


"Upton Sinclair, ed. (1878–1968).
The Cry for Justice: An Anthology of the Literature of Social Protest. 1915.

The People

By Tommaso Campanella

(Italian philosopher, 1568–1639. Translation by John Addington Symonds)



THE PEOPLE is a beast of muddy brain
That knows not its own strength, and therefore stands
Loaded with wood and stone; the powerless hands
Of a mere child guide it with bit and rein;
One kick would be enough to break the chain,         5
But the beast fears, and what the child demands
It does; nor its own terror understands,
Confused and stupefied by bugbears vain.
Most wonderful! With its own hand it ties
And gags itself—gives itself death and war         10
For pence doled out by kings from its own store.
Its own are all things between earth and heaven;
But this it knows not; and if one arise
To tell this truth, it kills him unforgiven."

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 22 Nov 15 - 07:50 AM

I fail to see anything positive in Palin. She is the exact opposite of the way you're trying to portray her. Far from being a "uniter" she is a strictly partisan politician who is not bright enough to comment in detail on any of the major issues facing the world (if you have any video clips or speeches demonstrating that this is not true please provide them). She maintains her brand by dishing out pre-masticated sound bites prepared by her handlers to excite her equally dull and extremely conservative "fan base". She is the darling of social conservatives that know they're supposed to hate liberals but who can't be bothered to delve much further than that into issues. The only republicans who pay her any attention these days are the occasional, desperate presidential aspirant who hopes to siphon off some of her "fans".

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Nov 15 - 08:12 AM

It doesn't HAVE to be Mrs Palin. but it must be a powerful personality with the ability to unite; her lack of political expertise is a positive in breaking the moribund template of American politics.

She arrived on the scene after the trauma of Bush's Iraq adventure, the time was right for change, and what did you get, a black Chicago lawyer steeped in the machinations of Chicago Democrat politics.
It would have been almost impossible to find anything more divisive.
To compound the problem, he filled his administration with hawkish right wingers, ramping up the phoney war.

Never make the mistake of thinking that the US political system can be changed from the left....it cant.
Unity is the only way to achieve change in such a society.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Nov 15 - 10:04 AM

... but it must be a powerful personality with the ability to unite; her lack of political expertise is a positive in breaking the moribund template of American politics.

Apparently, I need to mention Hitler again.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Nov 15 - 10:29 AM

There is a limit to the number of times you can invoke Godwins Law before your computer explodes Greg... :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 15 - 12:40 PM

Still seeing if Americans understand your confused mind eh Alex?

For someone who supports Nicola Sturgeon, your pin up posters are prosaic to say the least.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Nov 15 - 09:09 AM

here is a limit to the number of times you can invoke Godwins Law

Gee, Ake - first time 'round you said I had a point....

Trump: "I saw 'thousands and thousands' of people in New Jersey cheer the 9/11 attacks"

Now Trump is hallucinating just like Carly Fiorina & Dr. Batshit Crazy!
Maybe its a requirement for candidates sanctioned by the RNC.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 15 - 09:54 AM

Aye you always make a point Greg....but it's not the only point.

Its up to the "beast of muddy brain" to ensure that there are no more Hitlers.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Nov 15 - 10:53 AM

This thread makes as much sense as Trump or Palin ever did. Illustrating why they belong in vaudeville, not politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Nov 15 - 12:06 PM

If you folks think you have problems, just try figuring out a sensical way to sing Rocks of Bawn.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 23 Nov 15 - 12:19 PM

No sweat, #, just sing it exactly like Paul Brady does. Seriously though, that is a tricky melody.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Nov 15 - 05:08 PM

Thank you for that link, gillymor. I'd not heard it before. Nice rendition. However, not quite what I'm searching after. I've spent some time listening to various takes of the song and most seem to stumble in the words. The melodies are beautiful, but achieving a semblance of rationality in terms of the lyrics escapes my grasp. But I shall keep looking. (Lakes of Pontchartrain is giving me the same headache at present.) However, I very much appreciate the suggestion. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Nov 15 - 01:15 AM

The one thing that catapults Trump, is that Democrats, especially the variety of 'so-called liberal' parrots, is that instead of holding your party accountable, and demanding a correction of mistakes, misdeeds, and misleading statements, you go along with all deceptions and failed policies....you are doing Trump a massive favor!!...otherwise, he'd have no traction...other than bagging on the Republicans for not doing anything about it...sounds like the 'so-called liberal' Democrats and the Republicans have something in common!! They, and YOU are propelling Trump!!!...but your blinders keep you from seeing it!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 24 Nov 15 - 02:49 AM

Meanwhile, back on planet earth... In spite of all that gobbledy gook you wrote above, Goofy, the DNC would love to see Trump run in a general election as the GOP candidate or even more so as an independent.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Nov 15 - 02:55 AM

Words fail me. Although I'd prefer it if they failed Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Nov 15 - 03:58 AM

Slough it off, but the parties(both) DO NOT hold their lying elected officials accountable....and this last Democrat administration is no exception...and to just keep repeating their lies and spin in some sort of sacred mantra is the height of stupidity which has done nothing to remedy the situation..and now has given rise to a host of Republican candidates most all, of which beat Hillary or Sanders in the general election, as per the polls.
You should NOT allow your party, which ever one you belong to to lie through their teeth, and rationalizing it with, "It's OK, as long as they SAY it's 'liberal' (or conservative, to be fair)...the Bozos should be held accountable...jeez, we are the ones allegedly paying them to represent ALL of us...not just the trendy ideology d'jour!!...and do their best to convince their 'devotees', that their policies, are in fact, representative of the people's will...instead of doing their damnedest to convince you that the cronies they are greasing, is really for your own good!..What a bunch of hogwash!!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 24 Nov 15 - 03:58 AM

Is it me, or is Goofus saying Trump is a bad thing?

I must stop eating cheese before going to bed.

Waterboarding, watching people jump off buildings, reading about people cheering same, a few miles away.

And still his polling is high. Who could ever take him on?

You should go into politics Goofus, you'd walk it. You could get Akenaton as your running mate. He'd get the illegal alien vote. I would say he could be naturalised but that is difficult on a number of levels.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Nov 15 - 04:05 AM

Musket: "You should go into politics Goofus, you'd walk it."

Naw...music is a higher calling, and recording in stereo is even better...and you can't bullshit about it...as Duke Ellington said, "If it sounds good, it is good!".... STEREO politicians 'sound good' as they're talking out of both sides of their mouths!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Nov 15 - 01:06 PM

Read this, GfS.

Rude Behavior Spreads like a Disease
Scientists study the contagion of obnoxiousness

We can identify you as a vector of rudness at Mudcat. Your choice of places to participate and your tone throughout. This thread is an excellent example.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Nov 15 - 03:48 PM

Acme....is "rudeness" worse than stalking?

I have had three or four post today one referring to animal cruelty, a couple simply abusive, and one creepily using my Christian name, from someone posting as a guest.
Stalking should be stamped on before rudeness surely.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Nov 15 - 04:02 PM

I would just add that I have not responded to any of these abusive posts, in fact I have hardly posted at all over the last days, due to other commitments.

Subject: RE: BS: Loved Palin? Love Trump.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Nov 15 - 04:14 PM

Calling them 'stereo politicians talking out of both sides of their mouths' isn't rudeness it's the truth!.....and as so far as calling it 'Hogwash', was actually being polite!....as far as the 'Bullshit' remark, that was referring to trying to call what it is, to say politics, and what we have today, is a far less life form than the composition of good music.
Now go wax political, and stay with surroundings that you are familiar with, and feel at home.
Got it?

GfS

P.S. Hi Ake!!....don't be a stranger!!