BS: Women Only Please

Subject: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST,a member
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 02:53 PM

Men, this is about a piece of clothing I doubt you wear on a daily basis.


Ladies, how many wearable, everyday bras do you keep on hand?

How many times do you usually wear them, before washing them?

Thanks...

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 03:24 PM

ooooooh... bras !!!

Thanks for putting naughty thoughts back in this old lechers mind.
It's been quite a dull start to the weekend up until now.

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Considering a recent thread you started, sir, you'd be best to watch your step. --mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 05:48 PM

Mmm bras.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 06:26 PM

I like what is in them... Sorry I apologize... For being bad

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 06:28 PM

Like most men however, we hope the answer is
Zero

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Charmion
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 06:30 PM

I have four wearable, everyday bras -- three "skin-coloured" (i.e., a pinkish tan) and one black. I never wear them more than twice before washing them. I usually wash them by hand in the bathroom sink, and let them drip-dry over the bathtub. I use lukewarm water and a special washing powder for delicate fabrics.

I also have three sports bras that I wear to work out at the gym or to go trotting outside. These always get soaked with sweat, so they get washed after every wearing, also in the bathroom sink with the special washing powder.

When dry, a bra goes at the bottom of the pile so that it does not get worn again for at least four days, thus allowing the spandex to "rest".

All seven of these garments were horribly expensive -- about Cdn$80 each for the sports bras and Cdn$130 each for the "wearable, everyday" bras. They are now almost two years old and look good for at least another year of wear -- no weak spots in the spandex panels, and no underwires poking out.

I never put a bra in the dryer. I sometimes put them in the washing machine, but only on the delicate cycle, and always in a mesh bag and with all their hooks fastened. I once wrecked one of my husband's kilt hose by putting it in the washer in the same load as a bra that sank one of its hooks into a cable in the stocking.

This maintenance program was recommended by the nice lady from London who runs Ottawa's very best ladies' underwear shop.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST,👙
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 07:23 PM

This could potentially become the most popular thread ever on mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 07:50 PM

And Charmion's post could become post of the year!

The only thing is, as a man dealing with bras (and I've dealt with many, mostly single-handed), the major potential negative is when the wire that has somehow detached itself from a bra gets lodged in the washing machine filter, resulting in at least 25 gallons of soapy water flooding the outhouse floor. Generally speaking, I imagine that this happens just the once in the lifetime of any household. Grr.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 10:08 PM

No need for anonymity in the thread - I think we all recognize most of the posters.

Charmion about covered it. Well-designed and well-made bras are expensive. They can be engineering marvels and need to be cared for with gentle washing and line drying. Depending upon the weather, wearing can be one day in hot sweaty weather, or several days in cold weather.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 10:13 PM

Go f*ck yourselves guys.

I'm small breasted and always have been, even during times I've been obese or nursing. I have hated wearing a bra from the first time my mother made me put one on. I loved the days when it was OK to go braless and can't quite remember when the trend changed such that I became self conscious or my job was in jeopardy if I continued to not wear a bra.

Long winded way of saying that I have a hostile dependent relationship with that particular underwear garment. They are expensive and even more uncomfortable if they don't fit right. I have 5 bras,one for each day of the work week. I also have 5 sets of professional work clothes, one for each day of the week. If you know me you will know what I will be wearing by day of the week.

As expensive as bras are I probably should take better care than I do but I toss them in the wash with the rest of the light colored work clothes, wash all on delicate, cold water cycle and dry on low heat setting.

Friends who are larger breasted tell me that bras are essential to their comfort and for some very big breasted friends, they experience significant back pain without, or even with a bra. They have to buy very expensive bras, and because of the cost, take much greater care of them than do I.

Since I don't do work that causes me to sweat I don't know that I need a different, freshly laundered bra every day of the work week. It is just my habit.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 11:08 PM

You are perfect Janie, and I second the motion for bra less. We need an international bra less day or month or months :-)
Love dan
Hiding in the cellar

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST,👙
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 11:21 PM

Well I tried to enthuse mass interest for celebrating St Knickerless day over xmas... but sadly.....

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 11:58 PM

Lol

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST,Anonymo.. Oh go on then, Musket
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 04:02 AM

I don't know why the women only bit applies.

We men are self confessed experts. Front fastening ones are easier to detach single handed. Wired ones can dig into a woman if you hug her tight before removal, so you must show some consideration. It's hard to tell the difference between a £4.50 one and a £150.00 one but for Clapton's sake don't ever mention the fact.

Yeah, we can add some perspective to the debate. If nothing else, the thread title guarantees we'll be curious.

It's when we stray into the contents that you might wish us to shut up. "If you're selling those puppies, I'll have the one with the pink nose."

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 04:14 AM

you'd be surprised [come to think of it, probably not] how many blokes could benefit
from shovelling their porky moobs into a supportive bra.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 07:19 AM

"You are perfect Janie"

Go f*ck yourselves guys.

No she isn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST,Anon to protect the guilty
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 08:15 AM

An overweight morris dancing friend of mine was once forced to diet when his rather slim wife started telling people that he took a larger cup size than she did.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 02:04 PM

Amen,
I apologize to the mudzwomenz for my naughty behavior, next year Santa will leave me another kidney stone like this Xmas.. So I better be niceand apoligize even iif it's shallow Lol

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 04:14 PM

I have been edified by posts such as Charmion's. The posts like GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 02:32 PM... not so much. Yeah, a joke or two, a quip, but really? Off topic at best. At least make it funny or yer suckin the hind tit big time.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 04:46 PM

No argument from me at that, Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 06:10 PM

Not referring to any particular posts at all, but what almost immediately happened with this thread is that men took it over very quickly with posts that very much focus on their sexual response to breasts.

It is simply one clear example of the sexual objectification on women in our culture.

The result is the opening poster is very unlikely to get responses and information she is seeking from women on this thread, a very practical inquiry about an expensive undergarment we women are pretty much required to wear because of culture-wide sexual objectification, with out regard to whether we might choose to wear a bra for our own physical comfort depending on breast size and activity.   

Exactly 3 women, myself included, have felt either safe or confident enough to answer her question, and all of us very early on in the thread. It turned that quick into a 'guy' thing.

I think the "Women Only Please" was a simple request that you guys not turn this into a joke thread, prompted by the opening poster's real life experience of living in our society, and may well indicate why she chose to post anonymously. I don't think it can be understood as a request for men to not read.

If one of the mudcat men had asked for comments from other men about athletic supporters/jock straps, I think it very unlikely the thread would have been hijacked by we mudcat women re: our sexual thoughts about men's penises or testicles.

I don't think for a minute that any of you guys meant or mean any harm. But you are not very conscious of what you have done - not surprising - sexual objectification of women is in the very cultural air we breathe. I just hope you think about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Charmion
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 06:19 PM

Like you said, Janie.

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Tidied. Let's keep to the initial request now. --mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Charmion
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 06:49 PM

I am reminded of the media reaction to a Request for Proposals from the Clothe the Soldier project at National Defence Headquarters that sought bids to supply bras to the Canadian Army. (By the way, facetious Guest above, the original French word is spelt "brassière".)

Within a day, that acquisition was dubbed the Combat Bra, and the usually stolid Canadian defence commentariat launched itself into weeks of sexist yuk-yuks. Would Service Battalion storesmen in Petawawa be supplied with a fitting template, such as is provided for fitting respirators? Would the Combat Bra come in woodland disruptive pattern only, or would an Arctic version be made available? Would there be a premium, lace-trimmed version for wear with mess dress? And so on, ad nauseam.

Finally, the Clothe the Soldier people gave up on the acquisition and Canada's female soldiers got blanket permission to buy their own damned underwear, as they always had. Of course, men can get sturdy, quick-drying boxer shorts from the supply system -- Himself wears them, and he says they're great and the price is right. But if you're female, that aspect of military life hasn't changed since my day; before you deploy, make sure you're stocked up.

But there's nothing funny about the problem of finding a bra that will stand up to the conditions a person can encounter when she works in a so-called "non-traditional" setting. I still have a scar on one shoulder from the metal clip on a bra strap that carved a hole through my skin under pressure from a 25-pound rucksack, and a permanent reddish-brown patch on my ribs from the eczema caused by wearing an ill-fitting underwire bra while doing manual labour and vigorous exercise through the heat of summer in central Ontario. Of course, in 1975, there was no such thing as a sports bra.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 07:23 PM

I apologize, Steve, and all other guys, for my rude language up-thread.

Let me clarify my post of 09 Jan 16 - 06:10 PM. I don't opine that men should not be posting to this thread but understand how Steve and others who do not like or respect me might take it that way. My issue is not with men posting to this thread. My issue is with the content of what most men have posted.

Some of you guys may have information to share about the comfort and care of bras, or aspects related to hygiene and bras from what your partners, daughters or mothers have shared, your own possible experience with a partner with stinky bras, or if you are transgender and moving from male to female in terms of sexual identity. Did not mean that I believe men have no business posting to a thread such as this.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 07:33 PM

Have 'sports bras' since then been designed that adequately stand up to the conditions under which women in the military or otherwise engaged in strenuous work?

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 07:39 PM

Well I neither dislike you nor disrespect you, Janie. You did use language I do not use myself as it happens, but I have a way with words at times that can cut through without recourse to that language. The point is that I was confronting the rather po-faced attitude expressed by a minority of posters here that the men are somehow disrespecting women by posting to this thread. Well I've started many a thread that has cheerfully drifted off into weird regions and I long since gave up on the notion that any poster has the right to dictate what happens in "their" thread. The idea that we should make an exception for a bra thread is, well, anti-feminist. I don't know whether you're a moderator here or not. All I know is that I've had three posts deleted that were far less patronising and disrespectful to women than some of the ones remaining for all to see. It's not my gig and I don't get annoyed about such things, but I do like to exercise my more tenacious instincts when I see silliness being perpetrated. Now let's get back to cups that runneth over.


Oops...

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 07:49 PM

"I don't think for a minute that any of you guys meant or mean any harm. But you are not very conscious of what you have done - not surprising - sexual objectification of women is in the very cultural air we breathe. I just hope you think about it."

I have thought it over. I posted to this above, but now, I have thunk about it again after reading your objectification of men and... I like tits. Learning about bras and what you ladies have to put up with is an eye opener for me. So is a nice pair of tits. Well, any tits really. Deal with it. I am MAN... here me snore.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 08:04 PM

Not a thing wrong with liking tits, gnu. Nothing I posted suggested that guys should not like tits. I surrender. You guys carry on about tits.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 08:23 PM

Chrissie as a person has nothing to with it. Zappa nailed it.
titties and beer

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 08:23 PM

Really? I wouldn't even call them tits on a thread like this. I'm far too respectful for that. Is it all right if I tell you I like womanly bottoms too? Preferably on women?

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 08:39 PM

I dont care I had posts deleted on this thread.
The women are absolutely right to object to the content of them,
and correct me for the mistake that a certain kind of British culture humour translates well across the Atlantic.

Sorry ladies.

But Gnu is a sour grumpy self righteous hypocrite.
I guess he knows that.

no big deal

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Noreen
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 08:57 PM

Yes, we KNOW that men in general like breasts and like to make the same comments about one-handed removal of bras and how front-opening bras are more convenient-for them. We have all heard all of those comments so many times before.
So when this all these comments are posted in a thread just because it happened to mention bras, it becomes a real yawnfest.

This thread was begun to discuss practicalities amongst those who actually wear said garments.

So please, chaps, go and snigger somewhere else?
(Or as my transatlantic sisters might say- butt out!)

Thanks very much.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: LadyJean
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 09:00 PM

I have long felt that the man who invented the underwire bra should have to wear an underwire athletic supporter.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Noreen
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 09:13 PM

Lady Jean, I'm actually a fan of underwired bras as they give me better support and shape. There are after all, plenty of unwired alternatives if you prefer them.
It does mean that underwired bras have to be washed by hand though, or the wires slide out and get lodged in the washing machine.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 09:25 PM

I tried to tell you about the washing machine issue before, but never mind, I'm just a bloke...

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: ranger1
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 09:43 PM

The sports bra has been a lifesaver for me, as I, too, have had strap buckles dig into my shoulder while working. I only own sports bras at this point, they're comfortable, easy to care for, and I can buy them for relatively cheap because both Hanes and Fruit of the Loom make decently-fitting, comfortable styles.

Mine get treated the same as my wool hunting socks when it comes to washing - warm water, detergent, dried on low heat. So far, no problems. I do buy bras with a high cotton content due to allergies to most synthetics, and my laundry detergent is a mild, all-natural detergent, again due to allergies.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: vectis
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 09:49 PM

Like many women who have spent most of their life with smaller breasts (until after sprog 2) I didn't bother with them once I had got through the 'padded bra because all the other girls have curves and I don't' stage of life. I am always aware of wearing one when I do so I suppose I am unused to them really.
When I do wear one for 'best' I have 3 fitted M&S ones that are not too uncomfortable to wear and do give a decent shape to the outline, as it were. For other times when out and about and feeling I need to conform I tend to slip overs or sports type bras.
For washing, mine go in with the light colours after one or two wear days but they are not full days because, once at home, the bloody bra is the first thing off!

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 09:56 PM

Gonna disagree with you, Guest, hiding behind Guest. In my experience Gnu is a solid, lovely old soul. Not a hypocrite.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 09:57 PM

I'll just add that it is entirely conceivable that a generation of men
who grew to maturity through, learnt from, and were inspired by feminism of the previous generation
can still enjoy glorifying and enjoying the female anatomy - even joking about it -
without being guilty of crude simplistic unintelligent objectification.

Some of us now live in a progressive era where post feminism, post modernism, post irony, post whatever else you can think of,
kinda make shared human existence a damn sight more complex and interesting.

... alternatives and possibilities rule amongst the educated and enlightened sectors of society...

Yes even modern powerful women and us 'sensitive sympathetic new male feminists'
can still find some sort of transgressive fun in old dumb "Carry On" movies culture humour.

The mature woman in my life who has an MA and a high responsibility professional career
insists on having me touch, fondle and cuddle, those intimate parts of her several times daily.
She also near pisses herslf laughing at vintage stereotypical 'sexist' sitcoms and movies.
We met as left wing humanities student in the politically hot house early 80s.
After 30 odd years together, we have negotiated a fairly stable truce between the male and the female.

But sadly, we are aware that outside our cosy little private world,
vast sections of mass society still fester shit misogynist attitudes towards women...

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 09:58 PM

15+ years ago, there was This thread on similar topics. Scroll way down to
Subject: RE: BS: The Other Breast
From: Bill D - PM
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 07:33 PM
where I noted a book I own. It started quite a discussion between myself & katlaughing. I'm sorta sorry now that she never got to see the book.

Even then it was difficult to keep the posts 'light'. It seems some men simply can't handle the topic without drifting into salacious mode. It's too bad, because as this thread shows, there are times to 'appreciate' and times when the issue is...different.
I am male... I can admire & appreciate... but I CAN turn off that mode. I spent 2 days telling myself I would NOT post, but 50+ years of commiserating with various women about their problems with comfort levels leads me to post my hopes that from here on, we can allow women.. those who care to... to share information without smarmy remarks and bad jokes.

*further, deponent sayeth not*

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Ironic. What goes around, comes around. Eventually. --mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 10:02 PM

.. and I'm glad I don't have to wear a bra yet... 😜

ps.. I've got no real beef with gnu.. but i do think he aint been entirely unhypocritical in this thread...

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 10:39 PM

I'm in the same boat as you, vectis. But I find even sports bras to feel smothering, like a compression bandage around my rib cage. I can tolerate cotton, but not the synthetics.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 10:42 PM

Thank you Bill and punkfolkrocker.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 11:04 PM

Thank you LadyJean, Noreen, Ranger!.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Janie
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 11:08 PM

and vectis.

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 11:13 PM

Geezer nobody can take a joke anymore without being called a sexiest creep. All us guys no matter what age are still high school teenagers, we will never out grow it. But no one here is disrespecting any ladies on the post. Gosh if someone wants serious discussion why start a thread on it, just pm other ladies. Of course I like most here thought it was just a playful thread and sorry If I offended anyone with my twisted humor. Good grief

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST,🐩
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 11:17 PM

[ Hello mudelf - just noticed your above amended comments..

I'm always aware my IP is a dead give away, whether I forget to type a name at all, post as prf, or the odd daft joke name.
I might be a bit of a dick at times.. but I'm not a really nasty person.

Unfortunately i can no longer blame cider for the odd stupid misjudged indiscretions, since I mostly packed in drinking...

except for seasonal holiday binges...

So there you are.. this is me.. sometimes incisive and perceptive.. sometimes a bit of a twat... but I'm fairly clean and house trained... 😜]


... for some odd reason women have always seemed to like me...???

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If your wife hasn't killed you by now, we're not going to either. Never thought you were nasty, but you do sometimes lead with your chin - making you conspicuous. --mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Hollowfox
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 11:23 PM

A question to GUEST: a member. Why do you want to know?

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 16 - 12:55 AM

From: The High Executive Council, Temple of the Divine Curve
To: All Concerned

Re: Bra Thread Ripostes

We of the BRotherhod of the DIvine Curve try to stay upfront about things, as you know from our long and glorious history. But as the revered Founder, who invented the brassiere, once said, "A place for everything, and everything usually in its place".

We charge our members to treat this thread and the subject on which it touches with respect, courtesy and the civil conduct it deserves. The topic into which some have tried to turn it is a subject of reverence and esteem, not to be touched on lightly, and certainly not to be dragged about by lascivious guttersnipes.

Sincerely,

Fra Holy Golightly, Chief Interlocutor
Temple of the Divine Curve

Subject: RE: BS: Women Only Please
From: GUEST,punk👙folkrocker
Date: 10 Jan 16 - 01:21 AM

see.. the venerable Amos sort of says, though far more eruditely, more or less what I touched on
in my earlier deleted post
devoted to worshipping an all inclusive religion founded on the splendiferous form of the holy bosom...

Quote..

"Everybody loves boobs.

Men, women, straight, gay, everyone just loves boobs.

Boobs are the universal unifier of human kind.

Boobs could stop wars and bring eternal world peace, harmony, and prosperity.

Praise be to the positive healing energies of boobs.

If Boobs were a religion, I'd want to be a prophet and write the bible of boobs."

Ok.. I acknowledge.. it could have been drafted better..
it's not that funny [gnu was right] or clever..

But it's heart felt and genuine...


Maybe our pagan earth mother worshipping forefathers were on to something long lost but now so much needed... ???