BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump

Subject: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 05:14 PM

Just endorse trump

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 05:28 PM

Although I do not agree with much he says, if Berni beats Mrs Clinton for the Democratic nomination and Mr Trump gains the Republican ticket, then Mr Trump must have an even chance of the Presidency?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 05:36 PM

The Trump and Hockey Mom comedy sideshow. It might almost be worth watching.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: GUEST,#
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 05:45 PM

Don't mean nothin' until Ann Coulter endorses him. And then that don't mean nothin' too.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 06:31 PM

Lol next maybe rush Limbaugh

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 06:32 PM

Hard to figure which of the two is the bigger fucking ignorant blowhard asshole.

And no, Steve, it ain't worth watching. Its a goddamn national embarrassment.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 06:44 PM

I only said almost, Greg. You'll be amazed at the number of wonderful things that I almost do. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 06:59 PM

Well the problem seems to be that the centre left in the US appear to dislike socialists even more than they do Republicans.
Mr Trump is broadly acceptable the centre right and conservative wing, whereas Mr sanders will only gather perhaps half of the left wing vote.

It may be that to attain the presidency the centre left will have to make Mrs Clinton their choice for presidential candidate despite all the negatives which attend her.

A very sad state of affairs.

In the UK at present, we have a socialist as leader of Her Majesties Opposition, he is being opposed at every juncture by the majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party, who would rather see the Tories in Power, than have the people educated into the meaning and practice of socialism.

Political labels mean nothing, what we require is effective change.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:08 PM

Just been listening to a US commentator on BBC who reckons that Mrs Palin's endorsement of Donald J Trump is rather important in relation to the vote In Iowa.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:11 PM

It doesn't matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Wesley S
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:16 PM

Maybe she's still gunning for that vice-presidential slot?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:17 PM

Perhaps it doesn't matter to you Steve, but it is of interest to me and maybe other contributors to the thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:19 PM

Apparently Mr Trump is unlikely to invite Mrs Palin onto the ticket for reasons of political "balance"

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:25 PM

It doesn't matter because neither will ever be in power. Get real.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 08:13 PM

Screw Palin- the family says that John Wayne - who fearlessly fought World War Two single-handed from Hollywood and was a buddy of Joe McCarthy - endorses Trump.

Don't get much better than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 08:41 PM

The view from the U.S.: the GOP Clown Car is filling up.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 08:48 PM

Now that Ms Palin has joined the Trump camp, I'm waiting with bated breath to see who Ted Nugent endorses.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 09:51 PM

For the record: only a John Wayne daughter lauded Trump and said that her father would be for him also; the John Wayne estate/Enterprises essentially says 'No way'.

The whole John Wayne thing, of course, is a farce. Even he said he would like to be John Wayne.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 10:41 PM

Dear Pharoah,

It would be most alarming to think that the Trump would be acceptable to any centre right. Pretty much by definition a supporter of the Trump is lunatic right not centre right.

Secondly, the centre-left is not "left wing". In so asserting you fall into the linguistic trap set by right-wing propagandists.

Third, it is not the majority of the PLP who seek to sabotage Corbyn, merely a vile rump of Bitterites, maybe at most 60 of them but more likely 30 or fewer. Their reasons, however, do seem to be as you state, but then one must ask why you do not apply the same thought in the USA? The Bitterites (whom you rightly condemn) assert that their cause is to make Labour electable. If they are right then the US position (as you assert it to be) would be a parallel. Yet you reject the Bitterite case while seeming to endorse the alleged necessity for Clinton.

I would hope that the majority of the USA would see the Trump as the farcical bigoted puffed-up loon that he is and reject him, no matter who the Democratic presidential candidate might be.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 10:48 PM

Hmmmm. I hadn't heard about the John Wayne endorsement of Trump. Wayne died in 1979, so I can see some logic in Wayne posthumously endorsing Ronald Reagan in the 1980 election. But for Trump to get a John Wayne endorsement in 2016 is a bit far-fetched.

ake sez: Well the problem seems to be that the centre left in the US appear to dislike socialists even more than they do Republicans.
Mr Trump is broadly acceptable the centre right and conservative wing, whereas Mr sanders will only gather perhaps half of the left wing vote.

I think that Bernie Sanders is getting a lot more respect from the center-left than had been expected. He comes across as a decent, honest guy with no "baggage," a man who explains his ideas logically and convincingly. I think he may even find some appeal among open-minded center-right voters. Bernie may be a Socialist, but he's the most likable Socialist the U.S. has ever produced.

Trump, on the other hand, appeals only to the extreme right. He makes the center-right Republicans so nervous that they might even vote for a Democrat. I can't imagine Trump garnering over thirty percent of the general vote if he were to be the Republican nominee, because he is a truly frightening person. If Trump gains the Republican nomination, I think that either Sanders or Clinton would win by a landslide - and win both houses of Congress, too.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 03:05 AM

Joe, I hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 10:01 AM

I like bernie also but I don't think he can win, h. Too far left iI am guessing. Don't know but I want trump to be no alternate choice of any kind

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 10:09 AM

Did anyone see her I support trump speech, Saturday night Live is going to have a field day.That was tthe most ridiculous thing I ever watched even for her

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 10:24 AM

Talk about isis, I think her and trump are probably the most dangerous people on the planet. God forbid they have their finger on the trigger

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 10:37 AM

Bernie's approval rating in NH is 91%. I don't think that height has been reached before. So when you think he can't win, think of that. The one thing he has going for him that other candidates don't (IMO) is that people trust him. It's a big thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 11:13 AM

I hope you are right jeri but never underestimate the stupidy of our population

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 11:21 AM

Ake, Corbyn is a mainstream social democrat and pacifist. Does that make him a socialist? Maybe, but he is a pretty mild one.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 11:52 AM

' "Later on, Coulter said, "I would like to be the head of Donald Trump's Homeland Security." And she was only "half-kidding," because "I don't think it's that hard to figure out."

"I'll get it all done before breakfast," Coulter continued. "[I] could kind of guess who the criminals are going to be at least 50 percent of the time." '

That is from

http://www.mediaite.com/online/ann-coulter-wants-to-be-trumps-homeland-security-secretary/

****************************************

Does anyone else feel like Washington is testing lysergic acid diethylamide on Republicans?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 11:58 AM

What I think on US politics is unprintable Richard, I am certainly no supporter of Mrs Clinton......If she becomes President the standing of the US will plumb new depths.
I was simply musing on how I think the political soap opera may play out.

Mr Sanders is the nearest to my own position but still several miles away in political terms.....much too liberal.
My type of socialism could ill afford such fripperies, far too much real work to do.

The soft left in the US and the UK are full of wind and piss.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:03 PM

Here is Sarah's endorsement.

I am gobsmacked. She would have fit in so well with the Bush administration. At least she and George spoke the same language.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:30 PM

I could not stop laughing at Cnn when she was on, all I thought of was Tina Fey field day

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:31 PM

No bad mouth of my hillary... Grrrr

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:37 PM

Jeremy Corbyn is not a pacifist, Dave. He says so himself. He says that war should be an absolute last resort. I'm no pacifist and I agree with that. A pacifist would not agree with war under any circumstances. He is a unilateralist, wanting to rid this country of nuclear weapons. I agree with that too.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 01:45 PM

I just saw the speech on the news and how anyone can take it seriously is a mystery to me. A screeching harridan spouting nonsense about a deluded hate monger becoming commander in chief of the most powerful war machine in the world and "kicking isis' ass". What sort of world has it become where these sort of people are considered potential leaders and, even worse, many people will believe them?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 04:01 PM

For those that don't Feel The Bern... do a little more reading. Bernie has this in the bag if big money doesn't stop him with all the shit I see on popular TV like Jimmy Fallon and the like. That's the only way Hillary will win and I seriously don't think/hope she will.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 05:29 PM

Oh! Yeah! I forgot to mention, as I have mentioned many times in the past, I think she's a babe and I would like to spend a romantic evening... well, maybe not a whole evening... with her if she didn't talk.

Yes, that is very sexist and possibly worse but, as far as I am concerned, fuck her. She's an ignorant redneck that exemplifies all that is wrong with some of the critzens (yes, critizens) of the USA and Canada and......

But, she's a babe. I'd love to get me a wee time wit da loikes a dat eh?. Course, I'd wear me some protection so as I don't catch me no Repubican type diseases en wha?

Seriously... WTF is she in the media? WTF is Trump in the media? The whole world is watching this inane cluster fuck and some of us are staying tuned??? WTF?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: frogprince
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 05:35 PM

Kinds makes me think of the old, "Now, where's that woman I'm supposed to wrestle". I wouldn't be too sure which I wanted to start with.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 05:59 PM

Getting back to reality, does anyone think that Mr Sanders has a larger voter base in the whole of the US than Mrs Clinton?
That's just amongst the ordinary voters, not taking into account the actions of the political machine should Mr Sanders be eventually elected as President.

Is it more important that one or other Party is ELECTED, than a movement for change in government is instigated? People need to be educated about what socialism really means, those who fought the system in the thirties and marched to oppose colour prejudice in the sixties have been forgotten. The children of the sixties lived through a financial boom, soft and complacent, now they are satisfied with gender non issues, while the edifice of capitalism is crumbling around them.....and they don't have a clue what to put in its place.

Just look at this thread, name calling instead of discussion, vile remarks demeaning all women......don't you know that Party politics is a sham? A game in which we always lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 06:00 PM

Palin may be a symbol of hatefulness, but criticisms of her should not be sexist and not should the rape culture be endorsed. Stick it up your own arse, gnu, if you can reach.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 06:09 PM

A recent article about just why it is that some Americans support Trump causes me great alarm.

The thesis was that people who are not comfortable with independent thinking, unpredictable outcomes, nebulous reasoning, and uncertainty of any kind, much prefer rule-based, punishment oriented, simplistic, authoritarian governments.

What frightens me is that I recognize that syndrome in my own birth family- if they are typical of many Americans we are in deep doo doo.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 06:19 PM

people who are not comfortable with independent thinking, unpredictable outcomes, nebulous reasoning, and uncertainty of any kind, much prefer rule-based, punishment oriented, simplistic, authoritarian governments

Think Germany, 1939.

The U.S., thru education budget cuts, Reaganomics, and general reactionary Republican legislative horseshit, has raised up a generation or two of morons.

Now, with Trump, et al, we're reaping the whirlwind.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 12:42 AM

Sanders has a definitive lead in New Hampshire, perhaps, as Jeri indicated, but his campaign will have a tough time in the South (e.g., South Carolina) and elsewhere, notwithstanding the reliance a lot of poorer states have on social programs that directly benefit them (Social Security; Food Stamps; Medicaid, etc). If Sanders could only distill his message down so that constituents would realize they would actually be voting for someone who seems to sincerely have their best interests at heart instead of voting for someone who only panders to "the middle class" for the votes and then conducts business as usual once elected.

So far, he has not been able to do that. Once people hear the "socialist" label, they automatically think commies and russkies, Ho Chi Minh and Stalin, and anything else Sanders says is lost on deaf ears. Sanders should spend more time in his stump speeches explaining just what socialism is and how much of the USA is already tilted in that direction (for example, see Wikipedia for a list of employee-owned companies).

Maybe Sanders should take a lesson from Trump and just answer every question with "It's gonna be great, trust me, it will be so fantastic." Never mind specifics or anything based in reality, just make people feel empowered with "greatness." That seems to work well. Or deliver a dissociated message in a shrill voice reminiscent of fingernails scraped across a blackboard.

Nah, Sanders has too much integrity for that tactic.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 03:14 AM

Now hold on a minute, Socialism is primarily concerned with how the economy is managed; every thing else flows from that.

Ideals like making your country great should apply to all shades of political opinion, as should personal responsibility. Social conservatism has a huge part to play in a socialist society.

The biggest impediment is convincing people that financial aspiration is not a positive ideology; that other things like better standards of education, health, public transport, housing, are of more importance to society than personal enrichment.

To put it simply one sector of our divided society cannot move forward without the other and partisan politics like the amazing Pubs/Dems war, are delaying any kind of political change.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 04:17 AM

Hmmmm, the American political scenario makes the UK mess look almost respectable. But it is still messy. And we now have more parties to send us in the direction of Greece and Italy. Gawd help us.

Although looking at the list of "hopefuls" in the republican camp - perhaps they are doing the internecine tango.

And the Trump Card are DT & SP?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 04:50 AM

Mr Red said, 'Hmmmm, the American political scenario makes the UK mess look almost respectable.'

Keep in mind that the political mess one sees now in the US is just within a single party, specifically the Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 07:00 AM

Christopher Columbus has a lot to answer for
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 10:57 AM

The Republicans are in such a turmoil right now that they can't even efficiently organize the circular firing squad they are planning.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 11:22 AM

I have as of this moment believe hillary cannot beat bernie. Now maybe she will just do the grand babies business like   
I always thought and forget about
The politics crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 02:18 PM

Try it out folks, hours of mindless fun - Palinisms: The Sarah Palin random phrase generator

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 02:50 PM

Woody Guthrie reworked "I Ain't Got No Home" into a blistering broadside against his landlord, Fred Trump, the Donald's racist father:

Beach Haven ain't my home!
I just cain't pay this rent!
My money's down the drain!
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven looks like heaven
Where no black ones come to roam!
No, no, no! Old Man Trump!
Old Beach Haven ain't my home!

Good article entitled "Woody Guthrie Despised His Landlord—Donald Trump's Racist Father"

Gawker

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 04:36 PM

Here is my all time favorite ... I could not stop laughing
backtothefuture

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: frogprince
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 05:25 PM

Dan, when I was able to get back up off the floor I sent that to a number of friends and family.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 05:34 PM

Me too froggy

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 02:32 AM

Akenaton: "Now hold on a minute, Socialism is primarily concerned with how the economy is managed; every thing else flows from that.
Ideals like making your country great should apply to all shades of political opinion, as should personal responsibility. Social conservatism has a huge part to play in a socialist society.
The biggest impediment is convincing people that financial aspiration is not a positive ideology; that other things like better standards of education, health, public transport, housing, are of more importance to society than personal enrichment.
To put it simply one sector of our divided society cannot move forward without the other and partisan politics like the amazing Pubs/Dems war, are delaying any kind of political change."

Brilliant observation....now go further...the 'political' problems, on both sides,(which some here do not want to admit..or too blind to see) may not be the 'hold up' at all. What if it's theater, to keep people distracted, while the REAL agenda is being carried out, AWAY from the scrutiny OR say from the public?????

Follow the money, and it will lead you to those who use it as a stepping stone to the power, and control.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 04:26 AM

" ... people who are not comfortable with independent thinking, unpredictable outcomes, nebulous reasoning, and uncertainty of any kind, much prefer rule-based, punishment oriented, simplistic, authoritarian governments."

That's so true, Ebbie, so very, very true!

I believe that it applies here in the UK too. But in the UK we have an additional factor which is the deep-rooted remains of our class system. Here the Right (Tories = the Conservative Party) win general elections, time after time, because, basically, they promise to keep 'the lower orders' (i.e. the poor, people on benefits, immigrants etc.) 'in their place'. Our largely right wing press encourage this type of thinking by a constant stream of stories about 'benefits scroungers', 'immigrants taking our jobs' etc. The Tories are, of course, rule-based, punishment oriented, simplistic and authoritarian. Until recently, the wildest Tory excesses were kept in check by an effective, democratic opposition but presently our democracy is in tatters and the opposition becomes weaker and more ineffectual by the day. Of course, Tory ideology has a much wider agenda than just 'poor bashing'. They are neo-liberals to the core. They believe in 'free markets', small state, low taxation etc. As Naomi Klein puts it, neo-liberalism is "a licence to steal". Hence more and more power and influence in our society falls into the hands of Big Business and the rich and powerful.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:15 AM

It's funny, the Democrats are being forced to choose between a centre right corporatist who could win the presidency and a centre left "socialist" who probably could not.

I suppose it will all boil down to electability....the scourge of democracy. Some day we will be forced to adopt socialist politics and conservative social policies, but that day is far off and we are still fooled by the illusion of equality provided by sexual and gender politics......toys of the all powerful media.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:37 AM

". . . toys of the all powerful media."

Ain't we all, Ake, ain't we all.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 10:15 AM

It struck me that there are perhaps one or two people who may not be aware of what the primaries are. The following link is clear and fairly brief if people want to read about them for the first time or refresh their memory regarding this aspect of the American voting/election system as it pertains to potential presidents. Although I suspect most folks are aware, it doesna hurt to gi'e it a second look, Jimmy.

https://votesmart.org/education/presidential-primary#.VqJGRporLs0

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 11:26 AM

Ake is right in this regard, us middle center guys could be stuck with far right and far left as a choice. In which case I will write in Robin meade the news lady. She would make the white house look great... Babe

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 12:36 PM

Sincere thanks for that #, very imformative....ashamed to admit I haven't really known the purpose of the" Primaries"

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 12:36 PM

Sanders is in no way, shape, or form "far left" - unless compared to Atilla the Hun.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 02:36 PM

Disagree Greg but that's ok to disagree

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 04:06 PM

"Sexual and gender politics."

Sick puppy.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 05:22 PM

I suspect that while Mitt Romney was posthumously baptizing John Wayne he channeled John's sprit and asked about an endorsement.

There was complete silence until a TV was turned on and Mitt heard the words Donald Trump.

Lincoln faced even more superstitious know nothings in his time but realized you can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

While Americans are all fools about something, only 33 percent will end up being fools for Trump.

'How the Right went Wrong' is a good book about how we are reduced to a Trump character running for Prez.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 01:49 AM

Akenaton: "I suppose it will all boil down to electability....the scourge of democracy. Some day we will be forced to adopt socialist politics and conservative social policies, but that day is far off and we are still fooled by the illusion of equality provided by sexual and gender politics......toys of the all powerful media."


GUEST,#" '. . . toys of the all powerful media."


Ain't we all, Ake, ain't we all.'"

Yes...and who owns the media?? Who votes for their CEO's?

That being said, it seems obvious that the two critical candidates, who are 'upsetting the apple cart' are Trump and Sanders...who both APPEAR to be 'insurgent candidates'...in other words distancing themselves from what APPEARS to be the 'establishment'....(Gosh, it wasn't too long ago I referred to a lot of you, for being co-opted by, and becoming the very 'establishment' that you APPEAR to oppose!!).
We should, by now, know that Washington politicians represent the 'special interest' lobbies, and not even the people who voted for them, and that again, is BOTH parties.

Sanders, if you remember, was not really a 'Democrat', but rather an Independent, socialist, who decided to run as a Democrat...and seems to be gaining, quite a bit, being as Hillary's deceptions, corruption
and 'character' are causing her to crash and burn.

Trump, on the other hand, is an out front capitalist, corporate owner, and quasi celebrity.
Neither the Democrat 'establishment' nor the Republican' establishment' seem to want to 'embrace' either of these guys...Reason?
Possibly neither are 'owned' by the same 'owners' that they themselves are....even though, they APPEAR to have completely opposite financial ideologies....and in a way, it's VERY telling of how the two main parties are 'coming together', to combat their perceived threat. There is even talk of Dems crossing over to vote for Trump, IF Sanders were nominated....(Those are the 'establishment Democrats' to whom I am referring).

NOW, (and with all the mega-corporate money behind them) either or both parties, go to a brokered conventions, to run someone besides these two, either Sanders or Trump or both, could still run, but as Independents...then the election would boil down to a Capitalist vs a Socialist vs a Democrat corporate crony vs a Republican corporate crony....All while the corporate owned media 'provides' the narrative for you to blather on and on about it all.

I think the Obama administration is biding their time on Hillary, and don't expect much legal action on her till the results come in on the upcoming primary elections. I think they would rather see Biden run, over Clinton....so, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Hillary finally get indicted, or 'decide not to run for family or health reasons' to avoid prosecution..which would also implicate Bill and a host of other political, corporate and foreign luminaries!!....and I am sure that negotiations or plea bargainings are going on now...and possibly for quite some time....SO, possibly this election cycle may have four or five top candidates...one each from the 'establishment parties', Trump and Sanders, plus maybe someone else who may pop up.

I'm sure the 'media' will do it's best, in co-operating with the establishment parties, to keep you stupid....nor will we ever know the extent of what the FBI finds out, in regards to all the corruption uncovered from Hillary's involvements in influence trading.

GfS

Hey, olddude, you said that the Clintons were your friends, and that you expected to go to the White House if she was elected...you've also made it very clear that you are a Christian.....friends don't let friends drive drunk... lie their asses off, nor commit treason.
As Dylan sang, "You've got to serve somebody.....".

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 10:15 AM

the 'media' will do it's best, in co-operating with the establishment parties, to keep you stupid

Looks like the 'media's work is done where you're concerned, Goofus.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 10:54 AM

I think these insults are uncalled for Greg, you're better than that.
Sanity makes good points in his post and is addressing the issues pertaining to

I would be seriously interested in what you have to say regarding who governs you and how you would change a system which seems to have most of the American electorate at each other's throats.
Beside, inane remarks like "sick puppy" or "Goofus" are so bloody boring.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 11:08 AM

seems to have most of the American electorate at each other's throats.

The Dems aren't at anyones' throats, Ake. You're thinking of the Republican fundagelical racist lunatic bigots like Trump & his supporters.

how you would change a system

One might start by educating the Republican birther/truther/climate change denier/Islamophobic/etc. electorate.

And I continue the tradition of using "Goofus" in remembrance of someone no longer with us.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 11:44 AM

Ake, Re: changing the system, See This

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 12:19 PM

Thanks Greg, haven't time to read the article right now, but I will when I return from hospital visit.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 01:36 PM

Gfs yes they are my friends and always will be, elected or not. I really don't care if I never visit the white house. They both served this country more than any family since fdr. Hillary deserves to be just a grandma and no longer have to deal with the Republican hate machine

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 03:21 PM

They served themselves at the country's expense. Perhaps you can see your friends on 'visiting day'...there is NO excuse for the lying, corruption and evading justice. They are the perfect example of greed and avarice run amuck, while betraying the public's trust, abuse of women, their participation in Iran/Contra, and a host of other things, that if they were 'Republicans' you'd be screaming bloody murder!..and as I alluded to, before, if you were really their friend, and a
Christian, you'd be all over them to turn away from their criminal bullshit.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: frogprince
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 03:54 PM

Since Trump's slogan is what it is, I would like to hear (so far as I would like to hear anything from him) his answers to these questions:

At what historic point do you think America was at it's greatest?

At what point did it cease to be great? Why, and who was to blame?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 03:54 PM

You have no idea what you are saying. Repeating the Republican hate lines. Sorry but most thinking Americans don't follow the tea baggage lies of Palin and company. It is why the party will never again own the white house

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 04:05 PM

And as far as my faith that is personal, I would never call myself Christian of the Palin, oral roberts university hate peddler type. I prefer to follow christ instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 04:14 PM

Dan, I can prove everything I posted...however, that would be too much of a thread drift. I'm sure as events unfold there will be plenty of posts about it.

Frogprince: "At what point did it cease to be great? Why, and who was to blame?"

Probably November 22, 1963.

"The Warren Commission should have really been called the "Allen Dulles Commission" because he controlled it and made it the farce that it was. Dulles was probably an elite sponsor (i.e. murderer), as well as certainly Lyndon Johnson. The 3 hardcore cover up artists on the Warren Commission were the 3 Council on Foreign Relations members: Allen Dulles (president CFR 1946-50), John J. McCloy (then chairman of the CFR 1953-1970) and Gerald Ford (CFR member, later president). John J. McCloy was a Rockefeller man, former head of Chase Manhattan bank, and very deep US intelligence since the OSS days. John J. McCloy's nickname was "Chairman of the American Establishment," and he mixed at the highest levels of business, intelligence and he was close to the Kennedy-hating Texas business elite. Cover up artist Gerald Ford was secretly reporting to Hoover and the FBI what the Warren Commission was doing. In 1970, Newsweek called Gerald Ford the CIA's "best friend in Congress." The CFR especially 40 years ago, was heavily Rockefeller influenced and it top players were deep CIA."

The whole article

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 04:29 PM

Of course we're a long way from perfect, but in terms of national wealth, fair play for citizens, integration of ethnic and sexual minorities, productivity, longevity, standard of living, cultural and intellectual influence, and raw military power (which seems to fascinate Trump more than anything except Islamophobia and a wall on the Mexican border), America is at its greatest right now.

The only actual decline I see is in the accelerating control over politics by the few wealthiest families with the turbocharged aid of their Super Pacs.

It's *Congress,* not America, that's at low ebb. But Trump or Cruz can quickly bring the Executive and Judicial branches down to the same level.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 05:03 PM

"The People's Choice" article, linked to in the post of 4:14 pm is a bit of a farce. Short on verifiable information or documented charges but long on libelous statements, blatantly biased views and sleazy innuendo, it is a hard read. I looked up its history; it is not a rag I would choose to have in my home.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 05:46 PM

Same old nonsensical conspiracy theorist 14-karat bullshit, eh Goofus? You a birther, too?

Ebbie, its not a rag I would use to wipe my a**.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 07:52 PM

Disagreeing with something doesn't particularly make your opinion correct...it only means you disagree.
If the excerpt from the article is incorrect, don't just say it's a farce, show otherwise.....but perhaps on a different thread, OK?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 08:03 PM

Goofus, anyone with a pretension to intelligence knows its a farce. You - and it - are simply not worth the time or effort.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 11:38 PM

".....perhaps on a different thread, OK?"

Now crawl back under the bridge.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: LadyJean
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 11:39 PM

All I could think of was a comment my mother used to make about certain married couples. "Well, that's not going to spoil two families."

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 12:27 AM

..and one more thing...Frogprince asked me a general question, "At what point did it cease to be great? Why, and who was to blame?"...and I answered him, "Probably November 22, 1963"

Then I posted an addendum with and excerpt from an article. The excerpt is in deed accurate.

Now if you want to get into the whole event(again), I'd suggest taking it to another thread.

Fair enough?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 09:29 AM

Any suspicions about the Warren Commission and its findings should be allayed by Vincent Bugliosi's 1,600 page investigation called "Reclaiming History" (2007).

There's an abridged version on CD that presents the gist of it. Very listenable.

Bugliosi was prosecutor who put away Charles Manson. His book reveals the incredible amount of misinformation, confusion, error, distortion, illogicality, cherry-picking, and outright fantasy to be found among the conspiracy theorists.

But not in the Report of the Warren Commission, which Bugliosi also goes over with a fine-tooth comb.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Mad Jock
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 09:36 AM

If the US votes in Trump we all better start digging bunkers as he is likely to push the button just to get rid of foreigners that he don't like much.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 01:47 PM

Some people have an aptitude and an appetite for reason and clear thought. Some have an appetite for fear and anger.

The former will bring about better survival over time. The latter tend to bring about decay or chaotic and destructive and unthinking change.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 06:08 PM

The excerpt is in deed[sic] accurate.

You bet, Goofus. And the moon landing was faked in a movie studio, the U.S. mass shootings are staged by Da Gummint as an excuse to impose martial law, Prez Obama is a closet Muslim & etc. etc. etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: frogprince
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 06:20 PM

"Frogprince asked me a general question,"

No he didn't; he said that he would like to hear Trump answer the question. I have no objection to your giving your own answer, but, for the umpteenth time, you've either jumped after half-or-less reading someone's post, or demonstrated that you don't begin to comprehend a lot of what you read.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: frogprince
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 06:20 PM

"Frogprince asked me a general question,"

No he didn't; he said that he would like to hear Trump answer the question. I have no objection to your giving your own answer, but, for the umpteenth time, you've either jumped after half-or-less reading someone's post, or demonstrated that you don't begin to comprehend a lot of what you read.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 11:30 PM

Thanks, Dean. That bears repeating. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 03:30 AM

"Well, that's not going to spoil two families." LOL

That old married couple - the Arguenauts.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 12:09 PM

Trump is the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party since FDR.

Palin is the best thing that has happened to SNL since Belushi.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 12:53 PM

The last thing Trump and Palin are is amusing.

And their brain-dead supporters even less so.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 01:42 PM

I wonder when the Westboro Baptist Church will come out in support of Trump. They seem a match made in heaven.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 02:01 PM

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/donald-trump-campaign-sinks-to-new-low-president-obama-is-a-negro-and-a-half-breed/23652/

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 04:48 PM

Like I've said before, Richard - that asshole Trump is a national embarrassment to anyone with even the rudiments of a brain.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:18 PM

But alas alarmingly popular amongst Merkins - or at least Repuglitards.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:26 PM

Trump is not alarming in and of himself. The alarm comes in when one considers the numbers of his brasin-dead supporters and what they would do to the U.S.n - and the rest of the world.

But Rubio & the rest of the Repuglitards are just as bad.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: EBarnacle
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:23 PM

Trump and Palin deserve each other. We don't.

100

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 01:10 AM

Actually, Trump and Sanders are alarming to the 'establishment' parties, of which most of you are products of! Both parties do NOT seem to appreciate the fact, that both of them have gained support from citizens who are sick and tired of the crony bullshit in Washington, and the lies and deception that goes with it...AND, which has been sanctioned and protected by BOTH parties!!! I think when the debates started, neither party expected them to resonate with so many supporters, who have become disillusioned with the way things have turned out, with everyone that they have supported in the past...the total of supporters, between the 'outsiders' bear this out, unequivocally, whether you like it or not!! Supporters of Bush and Clinton are abandoning them like passengers jumping off the Titanic!...even though, Bush never got the traction originally that Hillary got....but they are, in actuality, one in the same....and both funded by the same people, along with Rubio(a Bush underling), and even Cruz is being funded by the same bankers as Hillary....(ever wondered what the terms are of the payback??)...

As to other unanswered matters:

Bugliosi did write a book, but so what?? If Johnny Cochran(lawyer for O.J.) wrote a book, about virtually anything, could you trust that the final summation would be accurate???? Hell no!!...he's a lawyer, lawyers get paid big money to represent things that are not true, as fact...according to his presentation of O.J.'s defense, O.J. was innocent.....but he was paid...and speaking of books that were gone over with a fine tooth comb, there was a book, which they made into a movie,...and even a movie on the intense negotiations to get the first book done accurately, with a fine tooth comb....True story...the Book..'Mary Poppins'!!...as long as you're believing in fairy tales!...but then, as I mentioned earlier, a lot of you are products of the 'establishment', which, of course, is the outcome of the coup, which took place in Dallas, November 22, '63!!....AND, there is a passage in the Warren Report, which actually says..'There are indications that elements of organized crime and the intelligence community may have been involved'.....I guess Bugliosi didn't bother with that....or was paid a lot, (or feared for his life) if he brought out his comb for that one!!....AND, so what if he prosecuted Manson....Manson decided to act as his own lawyer, and the case was pretty solid against him...Bugliosi made a lot of royalties on the movie version on that one, too....

On the other matter, yes, I thought Froggie was asking what I thought, "At what point did it cease to be great? Why, and who was to blame?"

So get over it...I am!!

....Speaking of which, Was America 'great' when Hillary voted FOR, Bush going into Iraq??
(You don't have to answer that...but you COULD think about it!).

As far as Trump and Palin, I don't think having Palin giving her 'sing-songy' endorsement of him, added to his validity or non-validity....it was rather much like a cartoon!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 08:55 AM

That's the ticket, Goofus: "Facts? So What??"

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 12:19 PM

Bugliosi offers 1,600 pages of facts, GfS, including photos, documentation, and a detailed refutation of the conspiracy theories.

Check it out, then get back to us.

Remember, the abridged version is on CD for your convenience.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 12:57 PM

Check it out [Goofus], then get back to us.

Some chance, Lighter.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 01:34 PM

"Evangelical leader Jerry Falwell Jr. endorses Trump"

That's a news headline. We are fast approaching statistical certainty that the apple seldom falls far from the tree.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 02:06 PM

Absolutely! Real "Christians"[sic] indeed.

None of them have apparently actually read the New Testament.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 02:12 PM

They are the modern cardinals of the middle Ages, they pretend to follow christ for power and wealth. Their only purpose is money, power, corruption

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 02:34 PM

Yeah, sorta like the political parties we have!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 02:44 PM

Say goodnight, Goofus.

Like I said, Dan - they wouldn't recognize the actual teachings of Jesus if those teachings reared up on their hind legs & bit 'em on the ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 03:19 PM

Amen

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 03:46 PM

I'm still hoping the Westboro Baptist Church comes out in support of Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 12:39 AM

Bugliosi may have gone though the skewed Warren Report with a 'fine toothed comb....it's not like Manson decided to confess to his crimes...after all he(Manson) had his life in front of him, and he was still pretty young, and wanted his freedom....but what if he was dying? Do you think he might have 'fessed up'???

I wonder if Bugliosi, interviewed people who were actually there??

Here are two links, which you may find interesting

First I went to This which, in the 'comments', after the first article, seems to refute the article, but then brings out some additional stuff, that you may also find interesting. Note: This came out after Bugliosi's book.

So here, let me help you out....check out https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=james+files+i+killed+kennedy+documentary&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004

I suspect you may just dismiss it all....but then, who are you, and why the interest??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 09:49 AM

I suspect you may just dismiss it all

You suspect correctly, Goofus. Its complete bullshit.

Now, on to those mass shootings staged by the Federal Government to give them an excuse to impose martial law and take away our guns......

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 10:38 AM

Is this the same goofus who a little bit down the page was so concerned about thread drift that he wouldn't provide irrefutable evidence against HRC? Hmmmm?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 12:29 PM

I guess trump just backed out of the debate Thursday because megyn Kelly will host it. The guy says he will do this and that to world leaders and is afraid of a little blond girl asking him hard questions.. Yeah, how fucking stupid can our people be to have so many
Support the creep

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:24 PM

how fucking stupid can our people be to have so many
Support the creep

Republican education cuts of the last 30 years bearing fruit, Dan. They've raised up a generation or two that are entirely incapable of critical thought - too busy watching reality[sic] TV and texting and staring at their Oi!phones as they walk out in front of traffic.

Reaping the whirlwind.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 03:12 PM

You're right...Finally!!....let's not drift the thread!....As so far as Trumpo...I agree with, Dan, "The guy says he will do this and that to world leaders and is afraid of a little blond girl asking him hard questions.. Yeah, how fucking stupid can our people be..."

Stupid enough to support Hillary?????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 03:49 PM

Stupid enough to be you, Goofus?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 05:01 PM

Get back under the bridge....


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 08:59 PM

greed with oldude (rather to my surprise) and Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 10:02 PM

One thing that Sanders and Trump have in common..They both want to get rid of Obamacare, and go with a single payer program...the HUGE unspoken concern, is what do they want to implement with their 'new program' to go with it.

Could be scary.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 11:53 PM

Surely that is wrong isn't it? Surely the basic view of both of them is that the rich should live and the poor must die (apologies to "All my trials"). If both want a proper NHS they must be less stupid than they generally appear.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 12:34 AM

Never under estimate the power of large quantities of stupid people!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 01:30 AM

Richard, There is nothing wrong with a NHS...but as my post indicated, "the HUGE unspoken concern, is what do they want to implement with their 'new program' to go with it."
Right now, in this country, the general population does NOT trust what is coming out of Washington, nor the elected people pushing things that infringe on our freedoms. I believe this is evident by the fact that all the front runners allegedly NOT part of the 'establishment politicians'. It seems that BOTH parties promise this and that, but consistently fail to deliver.
You'd think that Obama's presidency favored an agenda that leaned toward socialism....but every time he delivered, including his 'healthcare plan', was a ruse, to funnel the insurance corporations, business under penalty of law...as he did with 'alternative energy sources', and signing an exemption for Monsanto, for any damages resulting from GMO's..while his Ol' Lady is lecturing the people on, eating more 'natural foods'....and so on and so forth.
Trump on the other hand, is full of a lot of vitriolic rhetoric, which SOUNDS like he is identifying with the public, but he is rather short on the details on how to accomplish any of it. So, it would be fair to assume, that even though he claims to favor a single payer healthcare plan, nobody can really tell if there is some other agenda up his sleeve, other than wanting to be president for a personal self indulgence.
Another problem, over here, is that while a NHS SOUNDS like a good deal, the track record isn't too swift on the governments handling of such things, witness the 'healthcare' debacle, run by the government, for our veterans, which has been a national disgrace, inundated with fraud, scandals, cover-ups, and no criminal accountability...The same may be said for Hillary's obvious, and nationally televised, criminal behaviors of influence peddling and paid for preferential treatments to foreign countries, corporations, and politicians through the Clinton Foundation, while she was Secretary of State.
Personally, I think that IF Washington wants at least SOME trust back from the citizens, they are going to HAVE TO act as if there is at least SOME concern for the ways they have let stuff gone by, without accountability or consequences...and quit letting 'politics as usual' be their 'guiding light'!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 03:27 AM

It seems at least an overstatement to suggest that Trump wants an American NHS.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/sep/11/reid-ribble/donald-trump-wants-replace-obamacare-single-payer-/

I can find no evidence of Palin's position on single payer.

Berne Sanders however favours single payer.

Isn't it funny how just as the USA shows glimmerings of enlightenment, the con-servative UK rulers seem determined to destroy the NHS and carve it up for the benefit of the private commercial "health" companies that have destroyed the lives and bank-balances of so many Americans?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 05:41 AM

Well considering Trump. and how most everything he spouts, is at best, only half true(he needs the wiggle room....after all, he prides himself as being a 'negotiator'...)

as to your part: "...the con-servative UK rulers seem determined to destroy the NHS and carve it up for the benefit of the private commercial "health" companies that have destroyed the lives and bank-balances of so many Americans?"

RIGHT!!...See over here, Obama gave us an already, 'carve up' version, which, was for a select few insurance corporations, to 'channel' all the 'law abiding subscribers', through their companies, raise their premiums, raise the deductibles, and penalize companies who didn't provide it for their full time employees, so a HUGE amount of companies' employing a HUGE sector of the working class, to cut their employees hours back, to fall under what could be considered, 'full time'...it's been screwed for a lot of people....HOWEVER, it has given free or close-to, healthcare to a lot of people...who already qualified for Medicaid, a government provided heath-care over here. ...
...Now get this...in the deal with the corporations, (or so the story goes), to get them to participate, they were assured that, in event Obamacare collapsed, that the government would reimburse, those companies, PLUS the profit they would have lost....and all the people are just shit-out-of-luck! ....nor are they reimbursed!!
Now, when I've pointed out stuff like this before, a lot of 'so-called liberals' bitch and piss and moan at me...and never pick up on the fact that they've been duped to think that it's all OK, because they think that loyalty to the 'party' means that Democrat Party's bullshit, is more honorable than the Republican Party's bullshit....so it's OK for them to make excuses for their party, instead of demanding honesty, accountability...and maybe a little lightening up on the backroom deals with 'special interests' who funnel their bullshit through the two parties...(I wonder if they don't want a third party, because that would increase their overhead budget...but that's another story..).

You might take a very critical, objective look at your parties' final policy outcomes, vs the bullshit rhetoric that they used to gather support to ramrod certain crap into law....being as this is a lot of work of globalist corporations, I suppose our two systems will come to a mutual leveling....because the laws are made, not by nation's borders, but by MARKETS Shares...and their borders!!

Get it?
Got it?
GOOD!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 01:21 PM

"She's 2 Corinthians short of a Bible"