BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 03:46 PM

"Six Ways Trump May Lose the Nomination by Blowing the Biggest Negotiation of his Life"

sorry for the absence of a link, this is the best I can do

http://www.alternet.org/print/election-2016/6-ways-trump-may-lose-gop-nomination-blowing-biggest-negotiation-his-life#37404758

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 05:54 PM

One other thing about astrological entertainment from Michael Lutin.

He has said, in the long run in US elected officials, keep an eye on Chris Christie who has a big future ahead of him.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Apr 16 - 10:33 AM

Chris Christie who has a big future ahead of him.

As what? A clown? Or a felon?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Apr 16 - 03:28 AM

Pat Henry, a prolific songwriter in Juneau, Alaska, has a new song out about "Trump in the Night". Scary.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 Apr 16 - 12:24 PM

Did you see the latest T***p gaffe? He was going on about the terrorist destruction of the World Trade Center in 2001, and he called the date "7/11."

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Apr 16 - 12:59 PM

Seven, nine, give the guy a break, they sould an awful lot alike.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 Apr 16 - 07:51 PM

And what is this about NY voters being purged, in their thousands, from the rolls?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Apr 16 - 01:52 PM

I would like to see where Bill Moyers discusses whether or not a Moderate Republican is extinct. Searching his blog doesn't work though, because his online essays allow for comments, and what I search for doesn't discriminate between Moyers' essays and the comments from readers. Sigh.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Apr 16 - 06:16 PM

Another Tuesday, another round of primary elections: five states this time, all to the NorthEast in the continental US. Here we go again.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 16 - 07:29 PM

From where we're sitting in the UK, the Democrats are, more or less, fairly hard right, and there has never in the history of your politics ever been a Republican that could be considered "moderate." It's all relative, of course. I suppose that a Republican who isn't actually a xenophobic, warmongering Christian evangelist might be seen, at least on the Republican spectrum, as "moderate." But I can't think of many. Your Republicans are like our Tories: self-interested, big-business right-wing capitalists who believe in "freedom" for their own kind but to hell with the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Apr 16 - 12:11 PM

They're calling it the "Amtrak" primary.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Apr 16 - 01:51 PM

....and in Baltimore, they are calling it the Freddie Gray election: it's the one-year anniversary. Only Bernie Sanders, out of all the presidential candidates, came to the Sandtown neighborhood where the rioting was.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 26 Apr 16 - 02:22 PM

Talkinghead on tv are lloving it

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Apr 16 - 08:18 AM

A footnote on the second degree murder of Freddie Grey;

His neck was broken by police before he ever was carried to the van.




Being from the area I watched the very first TV interviews by cub reporters before editors deemed it necessary to get involved.

In the interview of an eye witness, a black man in his seventies said "the police rolled Freddie up like a pretzel" to restrain him while waiting for the police van. Video of Freddie near his bicycle began after they unrolled him and the neck injury was apparent in his inability to walk.

The interview of that witness never surfaced again or referenced by the DA or anyone else in the media.






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The stop Trump effort is now an official failure.

The illusion is that Americans are right wing but it is only an Illusion.

Many Americans are racists however, and find solace in the right wing support of those family inherited values of hate. Some of the racism is tribally overt and some is not even recognized in the behavior and belief by less strident practitioners of bigotry.

Ebbie can I hear the song?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Apr 16 - 11:41 AM

The illusion is that Americans are right wing

Some "illusion".

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 01:32 AM

Greg, what I mean by right wing illusion is that they are not the silent majority they claim to be. They are the noisy nar' do wells that are angry that laws prevent there particular form of exploitation. Then there are the smallest minority of captains of Industry like the racist Koch brothers who are angry for the same reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 08:32 AM

Excellent speech from Mr Trump on American foreign policy, first time I have heard a US politician call for co-operation instead of aggression towards China and Russia.

He also flagged up the mistakes made by the last administration on Libya, Iraq, and Syria.

I'm beginning to think this guy may be good for world peace, though I disagree with him on economic policy.

He is certainly not the ogre that he is being painted on these pages and anyone who is serious about changing US foreign policy would do well to listen.   Mrs Clinton is a dyed in the wool "hawk" and will do the bidding of the corporate murderers.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 04:12 PM

Ake, you still don't have a clue.

RE: Trump's screed speech, you need to remember that he can, and DOES, lie out of bith sides of his mouth at once and will say or do absolutely any thing if he thinks it will benefit him personally.


He is certainly not the ogre that he is being painted

No, he's considerably worse. He's setting the U.S. up for a real chance at a bona-fide fascist dictatorship.


Here, educate yourself a little:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/opinion/donald-trump-to-world-im-willing-to-walk.html

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 05:08 PM

Well Greg, I think it was you who advised me not to believe anything I read in the NY Times?    I think you are probably quite correct going by that article :0).

Looks to me like the establishment running scared, incomprehensible scaremongering. The guy appears to have vision, something sadly lacking in politicians of Mrs Clinton's ilk.
All politicians lie, its part of the job.....does Mrs Clinton ALWAYS tell the truth? I was very impressed with Mr Trump's vision on US foreign policy........but the establishment must be shitting themselves. Look out for dirty undemocratic tricks to stop Mr Trump from gaining the nomination.......just like the thing you see in those nasty Fascist dictatorships you are always on about.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 06:42 PM

Greg, I think it was you who advised me not to believe anything I read in the NY Times?

Absolutely not, never said any such thing - you're confusing the Times with Fux News[sic].

As far as the sad state of mega-corporate news is concerned, the Times is head & shoulders above most of the rest of the print tabloid BS and web nonsense news outlets.

The guy [Trump] appears to have vision


I'm assumng you meant that as a sick joke.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 07:33 PM

No I didn't mean it as a joke, "sick" or otherwise.
Mr Trump has suggested building bridges between Mr Putin's Russia China and the US.....the only politician who has given the impression that they have even considered such a course of action.

The biggest problem to be dealt with at the present time is the rise of Islamic Fundamentalism and we should be presenting a united front against it, not issuing threats or attempting to intimidate those who should be our partners against the real and present danger.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Apr 16 - 09:22 AM

No, Ake, the biggest problems to be dealt with at the present time are ignorance and bull-headed stupidity and people like Trump pontificating about things of which they know bugger all.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Apr 16 - 09:05 PM

Trump is to politics what Snooki is to acting. She's on par with Trump. Maybe she could be his running mate. Seriously, they're both clowns.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 07:18 AM

You're being awfully hard on clowns, Acme.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 10:31 AM

Here, Ake, Educate Yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 11:11 AM

If the shoe fits . . .

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 04:48 PM

Greg, your link leads to a completely unbalanced view produced by a rabid "liberal" activist......hardly a serious journalist.

I do not expect politicians anywhere to be perfect, just perform their function to the benefit of society.

Mrs Clintons form is available and has been found wanting several times in office. Mr Trump at least appears to be willing to try to have an accommodation with those who Mrs Clinton pronounces our worst enemies.
If we are to defeat the evils of Islamic Fundamentalism we must turn these enemies into friends and partners.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 06:14 PM

Greg, your link leads to a completely unbalanced view produced by a rabid "liberal" activist

Right. Sez you.

I repeat: educate yourself.

Or not- I really don't give a shit.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 06:23 PM

I continue to shake my head at the nonsense you seem to think is rational, Ake. And dismissing The New York Times no less. I am so glad that you aren't able to vote in this election.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 07:15 PM

Ake has been a Trump supporter for many months.
He will not push his heart's desire beneath the political waters with his mind, your mind or any rationality known at this point.

I warned many people about W but if they were in for a penny they were in for a pound. It took 12 years for most of W's supporters to finally change their mind. However it is considered rude to say "I told you so."

If trying to change his mind is your heart's desire, go for it.

It is true that Bullies tend to succeed in the short run.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 02:15 AM

Greg and Acme.....seriously, can you say that you thought Mrs Clintons support for regime change in Iraq and Libya was sensible?

Most People now agree that these measures led directly to the situation we now face in the Middle East and North Africa.
Mrs Clinton's foreign policy is flawed and dangerous, I am not a supporter of Mr Trump's economic policy, but at this juncture, warlike gesture politics must be opposed.

try to develop a bit of perspective and steer away from blind party politics.....or gender politics.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 06:14 AM

Don, I am not a "Trump supporter", I think he made a good speech and I like his views on foreign affairs.....which are all that really affect me as a UKer.

I also opposed regime change in Iraq as you did.......Mrs Clinton was an important supporter of regime change in Iraq and Libya.


"It is true that Bullies tend to succeed in the short run"
Could you please explain that statement, as I hope you are not suggesting that I engage in bullying.

A quick glance through this thread will quickly expose who is attempting bullying.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 01 May 16 - 08:42 AM

It's encouraging to see all these young people showing up at Trump appearances to protest his hate speech. It's becoming reminiscent of spring of 1972 when another race-baiting presidential aspirant, George Wallace, showed up in my hometown of Wheaton, Md. and I joined a lot of other protestors, I think we out numbered his supporters that day, to express our disgust at his bigotry in a non-violent manner.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:01 AM

These "young people" are interfering with the democratic process which you pretend to believe in.

The purpose of these violent demonstrations is to get the political rallies or meetings abandoned and it is the job of the US police force to ensure this does not happen.

I am sure Mr Sanders "democratic socialism" is political anathema to most US conservatives, but they do not violently disrupt Mr Sanders meetings.

It appears Gillymor, that you are not a democrat in the true sense of the word?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:13 AM

Additionally, would it not be more pertinent for those "young people" to turn up at Mrs Clintons meetings to protest her support for regime change which facilitates the emergence of terrorism?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:15 AM

Give Trump credit he, has gained the support of at least one long-established American institution.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:25 AM

Is that a fact?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:34 AM

The last paragraph of that U.S. News article:

'Clinton has yet to address the unexpected new endorsement, but some analysts say Quigg's statements seem "suspect."
"Based on his past statements, it doesn't appear highly credible that he has changed his effusive allegiance to Donald Trump," Brian Levin, a former New York police officer who is director of the Centre for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University in San Bernardino, told the Telegraph. "The timing seems suspect. I think this is a function of not wanting to undermine the Trump campaign."'

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:52 AM

The Incredible Trump

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:58 AM

Time you stopped reading comics Gilly! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 May 16 - 01:51 PM

OK, Ake, its hopeless, I give up. If you're going to stick to your compounded idiocies in the face of all evidence to the contrary (reminds me of The Professor!) there's no point mu continuing to bash my head against a brick wall.

So, revel in your ignorance. Have fun.

TTFN.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 May 16 - 03:07 PM

Whoa! Akenaton, what you asked Donuel to explain, may be, or may not be, as you suspect. You took his "bullies" opinion to reference you personally. That's your prerogative. However, he spent most of his post, not speaking of you, but of Dubya (unless I got it wrong, which I might have done). And when he went on to start a sentence with "Bullies..." my presumption, speaking for me, was that he was talking about the presidential candidates and NOT about you. Cool your jets...

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 03:37 PM

Maybe you're right K....wait and see what Don says.

Cheers Greg always nice to "chew the fat" with you. I've always thought you were sincere in what you say....good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:20 PM

I am awkward. Bullies refers to Trump and his ilk.
Akenaton is a considerate complex human being which I know less than 50% by imagination and less than 1% factual.

Clinton believes that being a chicken hawk will make her a bold persona. Trump makes the same claims as Bush W, "we will not be the police to the world...", so he is trying to sound as though he is to the left of Clinton.

I don't believe a word of it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 16 - 02:49 AM

Thanks Donuel and my apologies for my misunderstanding.
I should have known better, as it would have been completely out of character for you.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 02 May 16 - 12:51 PM

Hands across the water.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 16 - 04:38 PM

"America First"

Has been a fascist calling card starting with Lindburg in the 30's and remains extreme right wing to this day.

I don't know what fascism without wholesale murder is exactly,
but I think it is not good.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 May 16 - 05:45 PM

Another week, another primary election....

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 May 16 - 03:33 PM

....but the primary election that people are buzzing about is California, one month from now.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 04 May 16 - 10:37 AM

I wonder if the penny is finally beginning to drop with the Democrats over the real fight, Sanders v Clinton?

Mr Trump must surely now get the Republican nomination or he will stand as an Independent and screw up the Republican campaign.
Don't underestimate this guy, he is shrewd and has the money to find out all the dirty secrets....he has played his role to perfection so far, now he will show a new characterisation.....Trump the statesman.

Don't be surprised to see Mrs Clinton withdrawing from the contest in a few months time.....on "health grounds".