BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 04 May 16 - 10:46 AM

This discussion is in the BS section for a reason, and that is a steaming pile if ever I saw one.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Jeri
Date: 04 May 16 - 11:20 AM

Donuel, I remember Babylon 5 (TV series) did it in space with the "Earth First" nuts. It always comes down to "I got mine, fuck you".

Funny thing is, the people who "got" usually just got to wherever before others, and are playing some version of "king of the hill".

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 May 16 - 12:50 PM

that is a steaming pile if ever I saw one.

You talking about the ridiculous post, or Trump, or both?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 May 16 - 01:18 PM

I just discovered Joseph Trumpeldor, thanks to an old Mudcat Happy? thread. Far cry from T***p, he was.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 May 16 - 05:02 PM

Hillary Clinton as the Veep?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 04 May 16 - 05:05 PM

Well, if I had a vote I would certainly be casting it for Mr Sanders, but surely no one can seriously deny that Mr Trump has achieved an almost miraculous victory over 15 opponents and the might of the republican establishment?
Early comments here were that the man was a clown and would be swiftly removed.....so much for Mudcat wisdom.   More like wishful thinking. He is shrewd brave and rich with a few scores to settle
He knows that politics is a game and he plays it well. The number one rule is never alienate your core vote and Mr Trump consolidated his core vote. He now moves on to stage two which means all out attack on Mrs Clinton's record in office; and digging deep into her association with the political establishment and the financial corporations.
Be afraid,   Be very afraid!
He will also try to appeal to Democrats who don't trust Mrs Clinton and my folks in the US assure me that there are many of them.

This looks like being one of the most interesting elections in decades, but I notice a distinct lack of ideas or imagination from our resident Democrats.......just unfunny one liners.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 May 16 - 06:12 PM

Well, Vashta, the previous post is an even bigger stinking pile.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 06 May 16 - 11:37 PM

Old Franz heard ufo signals
He heard it on his radio
The one that he had invented
People thought he flipped his wignal

The I that can't see itself thinks
wordless thoughts that flow in the wind
Waves murmur melodies of "we"
Sometimes it shares secrets with me.

The blind may hear more than most souls.
The wordless see more than you're told
Like a blurred smear of future past
Some see through time that ever lasts.

We have abilities unknown
To transmit though space you can't see
So stop making fun of Tesla
Everything you use he conceived.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 May 16 - 04:24 PM

I still agree with astrologer Michael Lutin, who wrote of T***p:
President? This Gemini would rather own a president than be one.

I would rather not wish people ill. One reason I don't want to see the Presidency assumed by T***p is that I honestly think he would hate doing it! All that big talk is one thing, but does he really want to be ball-and-chained to the US Presidency for four years, one day at a time? Actually doing those things expected of the executive branch? I imagine him being much, much happier OUTSIDE the Oval Office, watching the President-elect, whoever it is, and snarking away at her or him. I imagine T***p spending the rest of his public-eye life, talking about the time that he talked his way through a presidential campaign, and lived to make a narrow escape from actually getting stuck with the office. Even I don't want to see a Chief Executive who is sorry he ever showed up for the job.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 08 May 16 - 03:38 AM

Just one small query K, why do you always refer to Mr Trump as T***p?
You seem to be posing as a relative neutral, but always address Mrs Clinton correctly. Do I detect a trace of psychological warfare?

Even the press and politicians seem to be according a bit of respect to Mr Trump's achievement in defeating all of the Republican opposition and garnering almost half of the US public vote in a head to head against Mrs Clinton, despite huge opposition from the media and the political establishment.

As Mr Sanders is doing rather well against Mrs Clinton in the last group of Primaries, why is there such a silence concerning his campaign on this forum?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 May 16 - 02:08 PM

That's in deference to Mudcat actually. It's because the previous threads with HIS name on the thread title, invariably got themselves closed. Guess it's only a matter of time until this thread gets closed as well.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 08 May 16 - 03:11 PM

Don't see why this thread should be closed, but I would appreciate a bit more input from US members, especially concerning Mr Sanders campaign and why he is not receiving more support here.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 May 16 - 06:12 PM

I would appreciate a bit more input from US members

Presumably so that you can disregard it out of hand.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 09 May 16 - 08:13 AM

In a brief letter to Republicans Mac Stipanovich, a GOP consultant here in Florida, concisely explains the moral dilemma facing GOP voters this fall. (apologies for the C&P, I couldn't get a link that worked):


"Each of us wants to believe that if we were tested in some fundamental way when the chips were down — morally, spiritually, or physically — that we would pass the test.

But we do not really expect to be tested. That sort of thing only happens to people we see on television and read about in books, heroes and such. And if we were tested, surely we would know it. How could a literal moment of truth in our lives go unnoticed?

The answer is Normalcy Bias. That's the sense that this day, this problem, or, in the instant case, this election is pretty much like any other, different only in degree, not in kind, that everything will be alright, notwithstanding overwhelming evidence to the contrary, because everything has always been alright before.

We analyze, rationalize, and temporize until we fail the test by not taking it.

Make no mistake, we Republicans stand on the threshold of a fundamental moral test in the 2016 presidential election, a challenge so serious as to be existential. As Ronald Reagan said in 1964, it is a time for choosing, and the choice, while clear, is one Reagan could never have imagined.

Hillary Clinton on the one hand; Donald Trump on the other. Scylla and Charybdis. The Devil and the deep blue sea. Or so it would appear.

But appearances deceive. Hillary Clinton is in the minds of many conservatives an ethically challenged liberal, hatred of whom has become a reflexive part of Republican liturgy. But as flawed as she may be, she is different only in degree from past presidential candidates. She is business as usual concealed by a little progressive smoke here and a few populist mirrors there.

Donald Trump, on the other hand, is different in kind, and dangerously so.

On a personal level, Trump is a boor, a bully, a carnival barker, and an embarrassment. Politically, by intent or instinct, he is a neo-fascist — a nativist, an ultranationalist, a racist, a misogynist, an anti-intellectual, a demagogue, and a palingenetic (sorry) authoritarian to whom clings the odor of the political violence he encourages.

He appeals to our fears, preys on our anxieties, and exploits our ignorance. A worse candidate to sit in the Oval Office for the next four years cannot be imagined.

And he is our responsibility. We spawned Donald Trump; now we must stop him. We must deny him the presidency by not voting in the presidential election at all or voting for Hillary Clinton if conscience permits.

A drop of a few percentage points in the Republican vote for Trump will be enough, which is why the pressure to conform, to toe the Party line, will be enormous. We cannot depend on our elected leaders to lead us. They, for the most part, will fold like cheap lawn chairs, cowed by fear and fueled by ambition.

It's up to us. Each one of us is being tested, and the choice each of us makes matters, for ourselves, for our grandchildren. As bad as the cure for Trump's Caesarism will be for the Party and for the country, it will not be bad as the disease, and both will survive.

So if anyone asks you, "Et tu Brute?" answer proudly, "Damned right."

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 May 16 - 08:36 AM

Scylla and Charybdis. The Devil and the deep blue sea. Or so it would appear.

Actually, this is the classic "rock and a hard place" (the cliff or the whirlpool).

I would appreciate a bit more input from US members, especially concerning Mr Sanders campaign and why he is not receiving more support here.

Why bother? You have your intractable position and you're sticking to it. When it comes to Americans discussing American politics with a Scot . . . it's a colossal waste of time. You're not listening and you don't try to comprehend.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 16 - 08:44 AM

OK, Ake, Here You Go

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 09 May 16 - 11:45 AM

I'm not really interested in what the left think of Mr Trump or all the bullshit rhetoric......The fact that the Republicans are willing to vote for the Democratic candidate should surely tell you something, or are all these Republicans you have been reviling for so long, really thinking of the good of the nation......don't make me laugh;   politics is a stinking dirty game and Mr Trump is good at it.
The Establishment, Left and right are running scared, at last something radical could happen to upset the corporatism you have moaned about for years.

I would prefer to see Mr Sanders as president, but you people want to return the same again candidate.....war and more war, cold war and hot war.....Mrs Clinton is the candidate of the establishment, Mr Sanders is a real reformer, why do you liberals not give him your votes........you may never get the chance again.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 16 - 11:58 AM

Well se there, Ake: several problems.

1. Youre not interested in anything that contradicts your preconcieved notions.

2. If you could read, you'd know that:

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 16 - 12:06 PM

Ooops- premature postalization. Lets try again:


Well see there, Ake: several problems.

1. Youre not interested - period - in anything that contradicts your preconcieved notions.

2. If you could read, you'd know that:
    a. Its not "The Left" alone that thinks Trump is a racist, fascist, ignorant asshole, but a substantial number of Republicans as well.

    b. Its not "reheoric", its fact.

3. Its not "The Establishment" that's running scared- its the sentient- on the off chance that there are enough complete idiots in the U.S. to actually pot Trump in the Presidency.

Oh, and ditto the posts of Acme & Gillymor

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 16 - 12:09 PM

Finally, Ake, Trump is the apotheosis of Corporatism.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 May 16 - 05:05 PM

Chris Christie has returned to the background of the picture -- love him or hate him, I knew we had not seen the last of him.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 16 - 05:49 PM

Yeah, Christie's one of the un-dead.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 10 May 16 - 01:07 AM

Every circus needs his carnival barker

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 10 May 16 - 01:14 AM

Only in the
USA can a guy insult the population
And mmillions of
Dumb ass
PPeople will
SStill vote

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 May 16 - 09:55 AM

Its even better than that, Dan - all of these disaffected, angry folks supporting the Trump Thing have been voting Republican since the 1960's- supporting the very party whose policies and agenda have put them in the poor house.

Talk about Dumb-Ass.......

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 10 May 16 - 11:48 AM

That isttrue Greg, I cannot understand that, they are the ones most hurt by the policies but yet support them. I will never understand

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 10 May 16 - 11:52 AM

I have some very wealthy friends. I get it they get richer. But
MMiddlecclass
Or poor why

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 16 - 09:27 AM

keboroxu has discovered that it is cheaper and more reliable fo Trump to become President than to buy a President.

As I have said, the only thing more dangerous than a man with unlimited resources but without a conscience, is a man with nothing to lose.

Trump is both!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 11 May 16 - 11:46 AM

Still no answers to the Sanders/ Clinton issue....is there really no one on this forum who is willing to admit to voting for the reformer?

Calling Mr Trump nasty names is indulging in the same behaviour that you censure him for and he has the excuse of being involved in a complicated and dirty game.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 May 16 - 01:54 PM

Calling Mr Trump nasty names...

No one is calling the Trump Thing "nasty names" Ake. That is, unless you find facts and truth "nasty".

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 May 16 - 02:37 PM

I voted for Mr. Sanders in the primary. I will vote for him again if he gets the nomination. If not, I will vote for Mrs. Clinton. She is not my ideal candidate. So what? She's better than Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 16 - 04:46 PM

Reality can be ironic. The mayor of London may be the one man who disgraces the Donald worldwide.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 16 - 04:46 PM

Reality can be ironic. The mayor of London my be the one man who disgraces the Donald worldwide.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 16 - 04:46 PM

Reality can be ironic. The mayor of London may be the one man who disgraces the Donald worldwide.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 16 - 04:46 PM

Reality can be ironic. The mayor of London may be the one man who disgraces the Donald worldwide.

Google Demigod and the Donald is right there.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 13 May 16 - 03:19 AM

thanks for the straight answer BWL, but you do seem to be in a minority here, which is surprising considering that this is suppose to be largely a left of centre forum.

The real issue for those on the left is whether to make a start on reforming the corporate system or to stick with the established candidate who is linked to big business and global capitalist interests.
Nothing wrong with your stance which is to support Sanders, but switch to Clinton as a means of stopping Trump. However, latest polls show Trump and Clinton about neck and neck for the presidency (with a don't know ratio of about 18%), while Sanders v Trump polls show a easy victory for Sanders.

Why are you in a minority of one here?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 16 - 08:52 AM

a easy victory for Sanders.

Not in this world.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: CupOfTea
Date: 13 May 16 - 09:25 AM

Gillymore's post of May 9 pointing out the Republican dilemma was spot on, from what I'm seeing. I work with some hard core conservatives (Catholic clergy) and a recent conversation with one who, in the past, has had nothing but vitriolic negative comments about "that Hillary" stunned me entire. "I hate it, but it looks like I may have to vote for Hillary." Her stance on choice/abortion/however you designate it is a big stumbling block, but viewed against all the problems he can foresee with Trump being in power, he is seeing her as the only rational choice.

I never thought I'd live to see the day. Now I'm praying that there are more thoughtful Republicans who come to this same conclusion to outnumber the pugnacious anti-intrllectual masses. A half-hearted vote is counted the same as an enthusiastic one.

In the humorous aside category: I have a subscription to THE PUT IN BAY GAZETTE, a monthly newsletter from one of the Lake Erie islands, 40 miles south of Peele Island. The April (fools) edition was full of articles about how this nearby Canadian island was gearing up for the tide of immigrants fleeing a Trumped America, with realistic sounding bureaucratic details. Had me wondering, how much in jest was it, really? Becoming Canadian would be SO much more attractive if they weren't that much colder/ more northerly.

Joanne in Cleveland who will nowgo on to worry about local candidates

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 16 - 03:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmH42sWoQK4

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 16 - 03:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmanuxq3PEM

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 May 16 - 04:03 PM

I'm seeing quadruple, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 16 - 07:48 PM

Verizon narrows the band width of mudcat since it is not a big corporation. On my end I get a message that the message did not go through. In reality they back up in que. After the internet rush around 4-6 PM passes, the bandwidth is more equal.
Multiple consecutive posts are often trimmed by the moderator.

Internet equality is now a figment of the past. Big biz won.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 May 16 - 04:22 PM

At least now I can log in....yesterday my repeated attempts to log in met with failure.

June 7 is a little more than two weeks away: that's the primary election in California and will be a big one for the presidential, erm, surviving candidates.

I used to live, not in California, but in a state not so very far from it. The primary was so late that most candidates had quit by then. I wanted to write one of them in anyhow, in one presidential election year. I said so at the polling place. No, the attendants said, in this state you may not write in a candidate for the US Presidency, but you may write in a candidate for the state Congress if you wish....I was SO ANGRY.

I don't live there anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 16 - 06:05 PM

Trump has a select intelligence that includes the grand manifesto of TV reality truthinesss and factoids.
He knows that goats don't scape themselves.
He knows no soldier dies in vain in a war that never ends.

He knows that women will subjugate themselves as long as he alone defines them.
Trump on women; "Women are hugely irrational that's all there is to that. Their heads are full of cotton, hay and rags! They are nothing but exasperating, irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and infuriating hags. But their tits and ass are stimulating as long as they aren't fat."

As long as Trump calls Hillary a whiney little gun hating bitch, he will define her like herpes that never goes away.

If you do not like Trump you can put your faith into America's shadow government which is already the most powerful anti democratic foundation of neo fascist ideals. They appear to have a beautiful symbiotic friendship even before all the poison hatches out.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 16 - 08:40 PM

Trump has no intelligence whatsoever.

Even less his supporters and acolytes.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 16 - 08:40 PM

Trump has no intelligence whatsoever.

Even less his supporters and acolytes.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 23 May 16 - 12:25 PM

Apparently the latest polls suggest that in a head to head for the presidency Mr Trump would beat Mrs Clinton.
Mr Sanders is still well ahead of Mr Trump in a two horse race.

Do you think the 500 of so "Democratic Super Delegates" will switch to Mr Sanders when they smell the coffee?.....Or do they just dislike democracy too much?
The Guardian.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 May 16 - 12:31 PM

Apparently the latest polls suggest that in a head to head for the presidency Mr Trump would beat Mrs Clinton.

Apparently the polls are full of shit. As are the Trump and his supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 May 16 - 02:44 PM

According to www.thehill.com, there is something called the Republican Muslim Coalition -- this is the first I had heard of it -- that wants Donald T***p to sit down with them face to face. Might it happen?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 23 May 16 - 04:44 PM

Greg, stop the fooling around, can the "Super delegates" switch to Mr Sanders or are they locked into Mrs Clinton.

I'm really interested.....we don't have anything like this in the UK.
DMG said that the Democrats don't do this super delegate thing and it was only the Republicans who were undemocratic.....what's the true story?