BS: Many worlds theory and your experience

Subject: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 11:20 AM

The multiverse or many worlds theory is a quantum mechanics based idea that is gaining credence.

So here is my question to you, have you ever experienced something strange as if you were close to a portal or threshold of another space time or other possibility that faintly leaked into your consciousness?

An example: You sense an accident just happened but you experience no accident.

Your experience may be powerful or subtle and is not proof of an intersection of divergent possibilities.

Have you felt you stepped into another timeline?

Steven Hawking would not discredit your experience so be brave if you are willing to go down this rabbit hole.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Tiger
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 12:26 PM

Ever notice how all the reincarnation stories point back to Cleopatra, Charlemagne, Jeanne d'Arc and the like?

Never some poor peasant (or salamander, for that matter).

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 12:53 PM

...... have you ever experienced something strange as if you were close to a portal or threshold of another space time or other possibility that faintly leaked into your consciousness?


No!

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 01:07 PM

I did as a child, between the ages of four to six. There seemed to be people in my world (not just 'imaginary friends, although I had those too) and events which my parents couldn't understand or explain. In fact, I was sure I'd seen a spaceship in the sky from 'another place' (We had no TV and nobody spoke about them in those days) and could describe the 'passengers' on board. My mother was a bit scared of my pronouncements, but my father told me I was imagining it all and got quite cross!

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 01:12 PM

I also told my mother I was really a grown-up lady, not a small child, and could describe what I was wearing (not my little skirt and jumper, but very expensive clothing 'with fur on') I really believed this. I expect I was a bit daft. My father used to end up smacking my bottom for being silly, so I gave up trying to communicate my experiences to them. They faded anyway eventually.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 01:13 PM

There was Seth, but regression/reincarnation is not the tree I am barking up.

Is there any conscious indicator in such an unintuitive notion that advanced math indicates may be at the core of existence?
The probability that all possible outcomes actually exist somewhere/when in the multiverse has no direct evidence that I m aware. What about in dreams or experiential modes?

Quantum mechanics math points to a validity to every possibility happening. Maybe this math is an artifact of something else in play we have yet to conceive. Maybe sensing this strange effect does not exist.

A theory may not be mechanistic at its core but our reliance upon a mechanistic language that r Maybe this math is just n artifact educes some concepts to gear like synchronization or flawed similes.
For the sake of comprehension we often sacrifice vector concepts that defy mechanistic description.
So we use math to limits where it too begins to fail.

Dr. Feynman used his own symbols to advance new ideas.
Genius savants report that they obtain answers to complex math with thought shapes of various shapes and colors
that they then consciously translate back to numbers at the end of computation.

Anyway having a strange experience should not be considered a dangerous thing to share. We all dream.

The brain has the capacity to be influenced on the quantum level.
Maybe it has sensory apparatus to be aware of this influence.

Oh well its just an idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 01:45 PM

Frankly I just can't swallow the idea all existence splits into all infinite possibilities.

I have accepted the multiverse concept for decades, but infinite universes, no.

finding any consciousness indicators to support the crazy idea of existence constantly splitting into more universes is a last straw attempt to understand this idea as being real.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 03:48 PM

Sounds a bit like adopt an idea , and then look for experiences to fit in with it. Would ghostly apparitions fit the theory ?

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 04:18 PM

Well you explain the many worlds theory to me.

This is not a thought experiment.

It is merely a question.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 04:49 PM

Sorry I didn't mean to sound rude.
'adopt an idea' sounds like real world anti science but it might work for design, engineering and material science.

Hawking is buying into the idea of constant branching of reality.
Again this idea seems to defy the conservation of energy.

I can not picture this. The limit of my understanding of the strange has met the 'stranger than I can imagine'.

Hawking has been wrong before, but only once.



Regarding a shot in the dark:
I can not explain what a strange experience is for anyone else.
If a person has a truly strange experience they usually don't have a means to remember it or define it next to anything they are already familiar.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Andrez
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 12:08 AM

Hmmm interesting thoughts Donuel. Looking forward to seeing if some informative experiences are contributed below.

Cheers,

Andrez

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 01:34 AM

I mentioned dozens of times that two small globes of light maintained ten feet between in a trailing fashion passed through brick walls and did not interact with my touch. Strange but so what.
I don't know what it means. Btw I was not the only one who saw this.

The problem is I can not find a POV to view the all possibilities multiverse. I must be taking the idea too literally or it may be a cosmological dead end that looks good in quantum universe math but fails the real world test. Most likely I am not smart enough to get it.

Strange experience Hmmm. I got one. I was downstairs when I heard an upstairs window break followed by a loud thud on that side of the house. I knew my son was playing upstairs and the window sills are low in the Cape Cod house so I ran outside to see what I could do but everything was fine. Checking back upstairs I was finally relieved that a tragedy did not occur.

Way back someone wrote of a missing thing that reappeared.

Then there are the unlikely events that ended in survival against all odds.

all this just shows me that only survivors can tell the tale.

Oh hell I don't even know what I was getting on about. Its all BS to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 02:15 AM

There have been scores of reincarnation stories that pointed to lower economic straits in an earlier lifetime. And there are well-known mechanisms for people wanting to prefer more desirable identities )or more powerful ones) than those they actually remember.

But that is not alternate or parallel worlds. I think some of the tales told by "abductees" smack of bleed-through between universes (if not hyperspace travel) but of course these are not my own experiences.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 07:45 AM

Harvard professor John E Mack wrote Abduction, a book about his interviews with abductees and of course became very controversial.

Soon after he visited London, looked the wrong way and was struck and killed by a car.

In Rochester NY I hypnotized and interviewed dozens of people who claimed an encounter or abduction in one weekend. Although filmed, today I would prefer real time brain scans and autonomic measurements as part of the process. Two people were provocative but that was all.

There is also an ornamental tall grass that when smoked causes people to have vivid hallucinations that last only minutes. The remarkable thing is that all the subjects who smoke it all have the identical hallucination of edgy harlequin like people of small stature with personalities that I harmless but border on the malevolent.
Sometimes called the businessman's LSD for its brevity the drug is curious that it causes people to have essentially the same dream.



Also my experiments with what is called telepathine caused subjects to feel what its name suggests.

Archetypes of Jungian design can also be found in common among people who take psilocybin and share visions that resemble Mayan and Aztec pictograms.

I make no claims to know what this all means but it poses curiosities that Amos has reminded me of like turning on a light switch.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 01:31 PM

As a teenager, between 17 and 19, I did too much cannabis and magic mushrooms
[ 1970s south west England, playing in a band - what would you expect]

So who knows what state my Brain's been in ever since...???

I am naturally maintaining a line between scepticism and open mindedness,
and have passed off any 'weird' personal experiences as very vivid lucid dreams..

.. apart from 3 that deeply affected me..

The one I'll mention involved me being in some kind of possibly European village, sometime in the not too distant past...

I was amongst a group of ordinary folks being rounded up by thugs with guns.
They then started executing us.
I saw and felt the real fear of the revolver being aimed at my forehead.. then nothing..
I woke up extremely alarmed, almost in a state of deep shock !!!

That was one traumatic vivid lucid dream, that seemed way beyond 'usual' experience...??? 😰

I would never claim it as 'regression' - but could entertain the notion that some kind of dream states
may tap into an unknown channel of communication between 'parallel dimensions', or minds past, present, and maybe future...???

Ok.. so I also read too many sci fi fantasy super hero comics as a teenager....

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 05:08 PM

I remember teaching Edward Thomas's 1917 poem "Adlestrop", about the train that stopped unusually at the eponymous small station on the Oxfordshire-Gloucestershire border, to a group of 13-14 year old mixed-ability pupils, back in my long-since teaching days. I said that I didn't think it was a "nature poem" of the 'boring' kind they probably didn't like much; but rather an instance of trying to describe that sensation one sometimes has, that there is a profound thought somewhere on the edges of one's mind, a feeling that there is something very important to think about if only one could think what it is. This is sometimes called 'the mystic experience'. "I wonder if you know what I mean," I said. They all nodded at once.

≈M≈

Ref for the poem —

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/adlestrop/

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 06:08 AM

My experience of the many worlds theory? Well, I've heard the theory described something like, "Imagine a cosmic loaf of bread, with our universe being one slice, and all the other slices being other universes." Well, I once ate a sandwich. That's the extent of my personal experience of the many worlds theory.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Mo the caller
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 07:38 AM

I suspect that this theory results from trying to use a metaphor as if it was an actual description. S's cat etc.

But it give the SF authors a nice tool to play 'what if' with.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 11:01 AM

the many worlds idea is about branching timelines

What if-

One set of opposites has no randomness like a mirror offers no randomness, just a near perfect reflection.

Two sets of space in balance with two sets of matter create an order but allows for lots of new randomness.

There is still order but in a way we never imagined it before including room for randomness.

Like us it takes two, after all we are part of the universe too.





So there is order but not in the way we used to think of it.


Now here is where my brain gets stuck...blown away...shocked.
When randomness becomes too impossible, space time like a fluid takes the path of least resistance and branches off. The conservation of energy law must be obeyed so the impossible space time main branch disappears and only the new branch exists.

or both branches exist...

or all branching multiverses in all new and ye to be dimensions of time include every possibility.




Side note: everyone of these ideas including life itself exists with and in the shape of the SPIRAL.




No matter the path it takes it is an intelligent design
but in and of itself it is not an intelligent designer.

Besides, existence takes at least two sets of two. If not it is just a reflection without the freedom of randomness.

Thus

There are variables, randomness and free will.

The only place free will does not exist is in a linear dimension o mirror.



BWL

the loaf of bread model is used to show people how the past present or future all exist at the same time depending upon the angle you cut the loaf.

Reference Brian Greene the loaf of bread universe.

It is a cool model that clearly shows that with a certain velocity someplace else, Beethoven is just now finishing the 9th symphony

Study it and you believe that time has the ability to be unified. It just takes using the speed of light and distance.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 12:46 PM

Don, my point was that, while I understand and accept the theoretical plausibility of many worlds, my experience of it is nil. It's an abstraction like 5+ dimensions. Nothing has ever occurred in my life that has made me say, "Aha! The many worlds theory in action!"

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 01:06 PM

"Waffles are just awesome bread." 
John Green

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 03:45 PM

"I could be an astronomer. I'm always staring out into space"
Red Green

Lodge members prayer:
I'm a man, but I could change, if I have to, I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Paul Burke
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 06:51 PM

"Waffles are just awesome bread."
John Green

No, bread is awesome bread, It's the shite that they pass off as bread that's worse than waffles.

As for the rest of this thread, well, waffle.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 12:33 PM

In conclusion

Quantum events do occur and happen in human beings but the effect is so negligible since human beings are billions of times larger than quantum effects, proving quantum interaction even in our brains can never be measured or felt.

Having said the word never, the door remains open for someone to prove this wrong.

Cascade events may be an area of further study.


And
Even the French suffer the loss of great bread to mass produced brands of crap sponge bread.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 01:52 PM

You have heard that elephants can communicate on a sound pitch that is lower than humans can hear?

Not one's usual theory of multi-verse worlds, perhaps, but I once had an 'experience' that makes me wonder...

In a grove of tall trees a few years ago I went into meditation. I could feel myself sinking lower and lower, slower and slower. And then I felt the beginning of something - a tree? - speaking to me, communicating with me, reaching out to me.

It lasted only seconds because I became alarmed, I felt that I could become rooted in place...

True story.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 07:46 PM

Ebbie

Instead of the stream I call it the wind
Some new Physics scientists call it the field
Psychology is all over the place and
Religion has a patent on prayer.

Perhaps one day we will find some empirical evidence of this possible space
and discover receptors in our Limbic Vesicles and Thalamic region, so we won't sound crazy anymore.

100 years ago the idea of spiritualism became infectious and occasionally septic. We have to proceed with research carefully to avoid such calamity and charlatanism.

The dept. of Naval intelligence spent nearly 50 million dollars on remote viewing. When they interviewed me in Rochester NY I had the foresight to lie and say that I knew no one including myself who may have such ability.
The program and most of the subjects did not end well as reported in the Washington Post.

I must admit that self fulfilling prophecies and self deception has a strong argument next to the weak empirical evidence we have with lowered randomness by generators around times of mass global consciousness focusing events like 9-11.

In other words I am full of crap, but sometimes I'm not.
Still I think most people would agree that over the next 100 years the release of nuclear weapons is more likely than not.
(the theme of tomorrowland)

In conclusion, guesswork is still guesswork.

Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 10:43 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Many worlds theory and your experience
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 12:48 AM

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