BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.

Subject: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 03:37 AM

Given the way Austria and now the UK political voting is going, not to mention the Arab Spring. Your worst fears may overtake you.

We are in a time of turmoil. History repeats itself, it has to, nobody is listening.
or to put it more aptly, those that listen are drowned out by the Henry Fords of this world.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 05:46 AM

Mr.Red, I abdicate the crown of King of Polemics, and pass the crown to you.

At least Mr. Trump will be happy along with Fox News that is known for being fear unbalanced.

The ceremony will take place in Lynchton of Lies county Tennessee on July 6th.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 06:25 AM

But seriously folks, there will be ripple effects throughout Europe just as Trump has made waves so that it is acceptable to have billboards across Tennessee that say Make America White Again.

ethnic purity, economic desperation, militarism.

Please remember much of these resurgent reactions was triggered by Wall Street, Multi National Corporations and the Neo Cons of the W bush years prior to 2008.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: mkebenn
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 07:47 AM

Indeed. And where is Trump? In Scotland, which voted to remain, saying how wonderful this is and selling suites on his golf course. Please, people, wake up and pay attention. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:19 AM

72% voter turnout in UK !

If the USA ever had a 72% voter turnout Trump would certainly win. I base this on the probability that there are more uneducated government hating poor naïve people than highly educated people.

The USA only got a scant 32% average turnout in 2014.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: mkebenn
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 09:37 AM

It's an election year, Doneul, and the gov. haters all voted in '14. The voters that sat that out were mostly blacks, latinos,women etc. Not Trumps core support. I have great hope that we will not only squash that blowhard but also make inroads in both houses of Congress. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 10:03 AM

That's all well and true mkebenn.

Realistically, the more a US voter turn out exceeds 55%, the more it would favor Trump.

The last time the turnout was an all time high of 82% was in 1860.

I too hope turnout remains under 55%

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 12:53 AM

It certainly is a matter for concern. I think that Trump as President would be a worldwide disaster. I can only hope for wisdom in the American electorate.
I've beginning to believe that an Enlightened Monarchy might be a better alternative.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 04:07 AM

Mr.Red, I abdicate the crown of King of Polemics, and pass the crown to you. (:-³}
it slips over my eyes!

But I am serious when I make a connection between the extremes of weather, and : world finances and politics. The less risk averse in society are in the ascendancy. I am sure if we coud do the research (a big field for sure) there are factors that agitate society, we can predict less of the future weather extremes, we are loosing more in disasters, it has to affect society. eg "might as well, do it now, before it is all gone" kind of stylee (sic).

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 06:10 AM

Are there really posters displayed saying ..make America white again ..?dont think they,de get away with that in GB.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: maeve
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 06:15 AM

Pete- We don't allow it either. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/outrage-trump-inspired-congressional-candidate-wants-make-america-white-again-n597916

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: mkebenn
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 08:44 AM

Can you believe Trump saying, WHILE IN SCOTLAND that a devalued pound was good because more people would come to his golf course. Holy shit! As Hil and Liz have pointed out " you can't make this (stuff) up. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 09:03 AM

I can only hope for wisdom in the American electorate.

I wish you luck with that, Joe.

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." — H. L. Mencken

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 01:57 PM

LOL

ever thought you would wish for another Bush?

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 04:41 PM

Actually Mr Trump is sounding quite Presidential while over here.
He commended the result of the referendum and congratulated the UK on taking back their country and their democracy.

Of Course When Mr Obama came over he advised us to stay under EU control, and threatened us with "the back of the queue" if we dared to ignore his advice.

So much for the "Special Relationship"

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 05:37 PM

Actually Mr Trump is sounding quite Presidential while over here.

You'ge got to be kidding, Ake. Or you have hearing problems. Or perhaps you're just delusional.

Y'all would have been much better off if the UK had been taken forward, rather than back.

ever thought you would wish for another Bush?

I wouldn't go quite THAT far.....

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 06:20 PM

Greg.....I think you know bloody well that the United States would never allow some undemocratic cabal to make your laws or order you to open your borders to unregulated immigration.

Mr Obama's remarks were sheer hypocrisy. More than that, they were a vicious threat.
Mr Trump congratulated the British People on regaining self- determination.....he also said that if elected president he would support any country which wanted a democratic transition to independence

Something new for the US?

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 06:22 PM

Echnaton, THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL YOUR MOALE IMPROVES

While you hope you will be empowered with an armband you will actually be deemed an undesirable subcitizen.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 06:37 PM

Eichnaton.... Don, that surely must contravene a multitude of rights issues and political correctness? I thought it was Mr Trump who was supposed to be the bullying bigot?

Mind you, it is one of the most original insults I have received recently

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 08:28 PM

So Ake, you watched The Trumpshit's clown show in Aberdeen and think that his maunderings were "Presidential"??? You really are quite hopeless, aren't you?

And you actually think some foreign "undemocratic cabal" was running Britain? There is such a cabal- but its domestic: the Conservative Party.

Mr Obama's remarks were sheer hypocrisy. More than that, they were a vicious threat.

No, Mr. Obama's remarks were plain, simple reality.

Ake, please get some help.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 10:46 PM

Echnaton is an accepted spelling for the pituitary tumor king.

If the percentage of US registered voters who actually vote reach as high as Britain 72%,
Trump will win.

If it stays below 60% turnout he will lose. These are my calculations and not something I have heard.


Mr Red, Democrats need to shake things up.

If the DNC were smart they would have the biggest free beer give away starting at 7AM voting day, all day long and make sure DUI checkpoints surround all polling places.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jun 16 - 02:27 AM

Echnaton is an accepted spelling for the pituitary tumor king.

If the percentage of US registered voters who actually vote reach as high as Britain 72%,
Trump will win.

If it stays below 60% turnout he will lose. These are my calculations and not something I have heard.


Mr Red, Democrats need to shake things up.

If the DNC were smart they would have the biggest free beer give away starting at 7AM voting day, all day long and make sure DUI checkpoints surround all polling places.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jun 16 - 10:32 AM

HERE'S your "presidential" Trumpshit, Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Thompson
Date: 26 Jun 16 - 04:56 PM

Events in Sacramento today are extremely worrying. More and more places are coming to resemble Germany in the 1930s.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 11:47 AM

RE: The events in Sacramento:

While Donald Trump's campaign has been bending over backwards to distance the presumptive GOP nominee from the awful words of a former butler, they're still dealing with another significant PR problem: White Nationalist William Johnson, chairman of the American Freedom Party, who is now also a delegate from California for the billionaire businessman.

Johnson outlined his beliefs by saying, "We have in Europe, and every traditionally white country, a dramatic shift in that the founding population is being replaced by immigrants, refugees, other peoples, so, really, the white race is in peril worldwide. I want a separate white ethno-state, but I want to keep Western civilization alive."


And your lying Trumpshit "presidential" hero strikes again, Ake!

Trump campaign claims that State Department gave $55.2 million to Laureate Education after hiring Bill Clinton

The Trump campaign sent out a series of email and Twitter responses during Hillary Clinton's speech attacking his business record, and among them was this claim that came to our attention. As usual, the Trump campaign did not respond to our request for supporting information. During his speech the next day attacking Clinton's record as secretary of state, Trump repeated the charge that Clinton treated the State Department as her "personal hedge fund" with no evidence to back it up, either.

The short answer here is: Laureate Education Inc. did not receive $55.2 million in grants from the State Department while Bill Clinton was being paid by the company.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/06/27/trump-campaigns-unsupported-claim-that-state-department-gave-55-million-to-laureate-universities-which-hired-bill-clinton/

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 12:19 PM

We're not reliving the 1930s. We already did all that- In the 1930s.
We're still trying to grok "Stranger in a Strange Land."

I'm trying to understand those who are otherwise intelligent and even humorous, except over a set of beliefs they are reluctant to question and a tendency to believe only one website, one blog, one sermonizer, as if they were a radio that could only tune to one frequency.

It is said that "against stupidity, even the gods contend in vain." but otherwise these are not stupid people. Many of them have been my neighbors and co-workers. Some of them even share this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 01:06 PM

I still think Walt Kelly got it right: We have met the enemy, and he is us.

I don't know how it will happen, and I may not be here to see it. But one way or the other, the so-called united states will suffer dis-union. Yeats, this time: Things fall apart, the center will not hold.

What I mean is, one central government for one unified nation is no longer supportable with the quantities of everybody and everything within said nation at present -- and if increase and growth continue as projected, not in future either.

There is just too much of everybody and everything for one central power to maintain command. Too many people, too much industry and production, too much developed and built-up places and resources. Yes, the one government/one nation thing works for something this size on a temporary basis, it cannot survive permanently.

The inevitable outcome is more than one nation where once there was a single central government. It could be nasty and ugly getting there, with break-ups, breakdowns, collapses, crashes. But sometimes nature is like that: nature can be violent and pitiless in its changes.

While alarms are raised about the radical aggressors who claim to represent Islam -- and disgust Muslims committed to living in harmony with God and neighbor -- it goes unsaid that the US is its own worst enemy.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: mkebenn
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 01:45 PM

keberoxu, we went through that in the 1860's, with horrendous results. What makes this country strong is it's diversity, not some polly anna togetherness. we fuck up, recently with the unfocused over reaction to the 9/11 attacks. We lost 3,000 people they {how ever you want to describe THEM) lost 2 countries and any hope for stability in the foreseeable future. Besides, if Tejas secedees, they'd best do it before Dump gets his wall built, talk about your remodeling project. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 02:16 PM

Keberoxu and Mike:

I'd add to that that the U.S. in the 1860s unreasonably went to war to preserve the Union and due to unreasonableness in the 19th century we have preserved this Union through to the 21st. Which is why a conversation in Alaska can go like this:
Alaskan from Pennsylvania: "Well, ever since the Civil War...."
Alaskan from Georgia: "Where I come from we call it the War Between the States...."
Alaskan from Pennsylvania "LOSERS don't get to name the war!"

I can't help but think that Canada must be a little envious of the U.S. that they can lose their federal unity due to a Provincial Vote. The U.S. paid a high price so that can't happen. Europe paid an even higher price but didn't (and maybe couldn't) get that kind of unity.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: mkebenn
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 02:33 PM

re: Canada. Why did Quebec remain in the Commonwealth, did they vote to remain? Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 02:51 PM

That the war of the 1860's was horrendous, will get no disagreement from me. I question if there even has to be a war though, in this time and place.

I was given food for thought by an interview with blues musician Eddie Boyd who died over twenty years ago. He came from the South, was nearly economically destroyed in Chicago, and emigrated to Finland where he married. At least, I think it was Boyd who compared racism in the South to racism in the North by saying:
well, can't make a direct quote from memory.

The idea was: the South had some of the worst racism Boyd had ever seen, however: "when change comes, they accept it."   Boyd had no illusions about Chicago and the racism he encountered there; and it seems to me he was saying that racism in what had been "the Union" was part of a deep-set intolerance extremely resistant to change or adaptation. Whereas the South, for all the resistance of which it was capable, over time had to adapt whether they wanted to or not.

What I know of intolerance and resistance to adaptation, I learned in my upbringing, which was in the North, not in the South. Sure, during the civil rights crisis, many a sensational headline came out of encounters and deaths in the South; there were riots in the North as well, though, and there was a deep-rooted racism which many Northerners have taken with them to the grave rather than give up.

I fear there are economic parallels to this. In the South they know what it is to lose everything, several times over. I fear it is in the Northeast/Midwest of my childhood that the denial, the refusal to change, will bring them to their knees in the end.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: mkebenn
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 03:10 PM

If it were possible to reshape the existent country into sections, do you have any ideas on where the divisions might be? Seems to me our differences are more social that geographical in nature. you couldn't have different sets of laws for each group, so you would have to designate areas for each, a Christian zone, an atheist zone, a smokers section etc. Sounds like a supersized Eurocluster to me. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 03:25 PM

keberoxu:

My comment was related to what it takes to get people to unify. The American Civil War was over the topic of slavery, but more importantly to Lincoln was whether this topic could be allowed to divide a country into more than one country. In his "House Divided" speech Lincoln said:

"A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of slavery will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become lawful in all the States, old as well as new — North as well as South."

As President, Lincoln had a host of practical problems to address, although they had been set in motion by ideological origins. His signature of the Emancipation Proclamation, a supreme act of Presidential Executive action, set free the slaves who resided in states in rebellion.

I grew up watching a great deal of American TV, and I don't know if it is common knowledge how much of it addressed racism and prejudice in its most popular and well known series. Or how much was addressed in popular musicals, from Showboat to South Pacific.

As for racism being addressed differently in different parts of the U.S., I think your comments are well founded. The way that I grew up with the notion was that white people in the South were more 'frankly' racist. White people in the North were more hypocritically racist, or subliminally racist and felt superior to white people in the South as well.

There was a time when English colonists looked askance at Scots bondsman, who came to Massachusetts Colony as prisoners of war to be used as cheap labor.

I argue that the history of the United States holds several major themes that go earlier than the Revolution, and one of them is the struggle between racism and diversity, and the expanding notion of what constitutes 'us' versus 'them'.

Like any major theme, this never ends, but the face of it changes.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 04:47 PM

the U.S. in the 1860s unreasonably went to war to preserve the Union

Unreasonably? How, exactly?


Alaskan from Georgia: "Where I come from we call it the War Between the States...."
Alaskan who knows history: "Southerners have been using that "States Rights" dodge for 150 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 04:56 PM

You've heard it before, "nothing is new".
Just because there is a new racism, a new fascism, a new white supremacy does not prevent history from repeating itself.

We can't go home. Then is then, now is now.

Robomatic, I agree with your sentiment but I would add that society swings like a pendulum and not all one thing or another. No black or white, there is a gray blending.

In the middle of the CNN coverage of the Ali funeral some editor on CNN put out an all points bulletin about a black man wanted for some malfeasance along with his mug shot.
The suspect was not shown again nor could I track down the story.

Who decided to do that?
The point is, even if I am assuming the decision to keep interrupting the funeral was not from the top, Whoever did it knew they could get away with it.   The point is that CNN as an entity is not racist but individuals are racist and far too often tolerated.

Racist business as usual is expected in virtually all institutions.

Bigotry is now less transparent and under more scrutiny but with every Trump tweet, permission to discriminate by race creed color and religion grows louder.

Fascism today does not have to start from square one.
It already exists in the corporate worlds that are entwined with Governors, Courts, Legislatures and on a Federal level with the CIA ,DOD and Congressional and Banking networks.

The overlap of many commissions and organizations insures cover for them all. The systematic control game has been revealed and we can some times overcome them at their own game.

When you see attacks upon regulations, courts and watch dog departments you can be sure the job creator super wealthy are spending to make money in the long run on the backs of the poor and middle class. The rich are not above eating their own but eating thw middle class poor is safer.

gtg

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 05:05 PM

The idea was: the South had some of the worst racism Boyd had ever seen, however: "when change comes, they accept it."

With all due respect to Mr. Boyd, I think he, and you, are a bit confused.

First, YES THERE IS DEEP SUITED RACISM IN THE NORTH AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

However RE: "when change comes, they accept it." - Nonsense.

I urge you to read Eric Foner's "Reconstruction", New York 1988 or his" Forever Free"("Reconstruction"lite) New York 2005, Douglas R. Egerton's "The Wars of Reconstruction", New York, 2014, Douglas A. Blackmon's "Slavery By Another Name"New York 2008 and any of the fine histories of the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950's and 1960's.

Then, we can discuss exactly how this change was "accepted".

Also, you may have noted the news items recently defending the display of the Confederate flag, defending monuments to Confederate "heroes", and defending naming public buildings and schools after the same folks, yes?

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 05:18 PM

And I urge you to put down your books and listen to the likes of Curtis Mayfield as well as Eddie Boyd. What these professional musicians know, they did not learn from a book. They experienced it first-hand. These musicians from a largely deceased generation, as well as those from younger, still living generations, have not only read the books -- and, in some cases, written the books, more power to them -- but they have listened to their elders and to each other.

While Boyd survived Leonard Chess and left not only Chicago but the United States, Mayfield left Chicago and headed to Georgia, voicing the opinion that Chicago was as racist a place to do [music] business as he had ever seen, and that he felt more at home in the South, where in time he passed away. But then Mayfield was a cunning and subtle fighter, and he was not only able to express anger and outrage but to plead for reconciliation and agreement.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 05:54 PM

And I urge you to put down your books...

"We don't need no education....."

Sure thing. Tell that to Goodwin, Scherner, Chaney, Emmett Till & the thousands of Black folks who were lynched (and are still being lynched) in the South.

Disregard historical fact if you wish - that's ycertainly our perogative. But please don't presume to lecture me from your perspective of ignorance.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Jun 16 - 09:06 PM

You can ignore reality,

But you can't ignore the grim consequences of ignoring reality.

Ayn Rand

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jun 16 - 02:18 AM

I implore everyone to have moral imagination.
Pete,lighter, robmatic ,senofou, ake, Mr. Red, keboroxu,Greg DMG,Joe,Janie,Amos, Rap, me...everyone.

Everyone has some degree of moral imagination. Rand and Ailinsky have some moral imagination in common.

Would you be against Petro company oil spills at the head waters of the Amazon? Cutting down half of the trees? Feeding lead to kids??

Political, religious, scientific, bio ethical, climate change, and energy moral imagination can turn your life upside down but so can falling in love. Squabbles are secondary.

A moral imagination, may be born of fear, greed sickness, love and war but it is our hope in a real sense, it is our savior. Our personal savior.

You are the indigenous people of your little plot of earth. together we can give some love back to Earth.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Jun 16 - 03:08 AM

Imagination?
Image - in Nation?
Ever looked up the Dunning-Kruger Effect? Try it, it is on Wiki.

Oh, and BTW there are Americans drawing parallels with the UK experience - John Oliver - chat show host

I was having this Farcebook conversation with a Brexiter. I pointed out (in a humorous way) that he voted for Boris as Prime Minister, contrary to his assertion. His first response was "your point is?" and proceeded to change the subject with "anyway we got out, blah blah". I suggested "naive" (polite as ever) and ratcheted up to "Dunning-Kruger". He hasn't looked it up. Ergo!

Best of luck USA, you will need it. We now talk of "a Nation divided " - be warned.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 16 - 05:07 AM

We were a nation divided before Thursday.
The establishment divided against the ordinary people.
When that happens you get Farages and Trumps.
Be afraid.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 16 - 05:12 AM

The Guardian (Left Wing) Sunday
" David Cameron promised a referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union to see off the Ukip revolt. Instead, after a vote that drew the largest turnout in a nationwide poll for 20 years, it is the rebels who have seen off the prime minister, gone within hours of the result's announcement.

The Ukip rebels, dismissed only a few years ago as a fringe nuisance, have delivered perhaps the largest shock to European politics since the fall of the Berlin Wall. The vote highlighted Britain's deepening political faultlines. "

"The mass migration from poorer EU countries that began in 2004 was something the "left-behind" electorate never wanted, never voted for and never really accepted. The economic case for EU migration was clear to the liberal mainstream elites from across the political spectrum, who thought that should settle the matter. Politicians from both Labour and the Conservatives never made a case for free movement, and seemed to believe they could assuage popular anger by restrictions that were manifestly impossible, given EU treaty rules. The left-behind voters weren't fooled – they soon recognised that controlling immigration would be impossible without leaving the EU, and they have now voted accordingly."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/left-behind-eu-referendum-vote-ukip-revolt-brexit

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jun 16 - 09:58 AM

You can ignore reality, But you can't ignore the grim consequences of ignoring reality. -Ayn Rand

Robo, that's probably the only thing that bitch ever wrote or said that I agree with.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Jun 16 - 04:39 PM

change begets change begets change. Beware what you wish for you may just get it. And the fallout. They call it unforeseen circumstances, in reality they are ignored probabilities.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 01:18 PM

The wanting of power is more enjoyable than the having it.

Power is the same world wide.
It is bought by buying people to do your bidding.
After awhile the money or people dry up and the cycle begins again.

In 8 years you will see that things should swing back toward a realization of a Britain that is less polarized than today.

As for the US if 3/4 of the people vote they will have four years of Trump and many wincing moments of embarrassment.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 05:04 PM

Hey, Ake! And again, here's your hero "presidential" Trumpshit!!


Plagiarized Lessons and Deceptive Tactics: A Look Inside the Trump Institute

By JONATHAN MARTIN    JUNE 29, 2016

Mr. Trump also lent his name, and his credibility, to a seminar business he did not own, which was branded the Trump Institute. Its operators rented out hotel ballrooms across the country and invited people to pay up to $2,000 to come hear Mr. Trump's "wealth-creating secrets and strategies."

As with Trump University, the Trump Institute promised falsely that its teachers would be handpicked by Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump did little, interviews show, besides appear in an infomercial — one that promised customers access to his vast accumulated knowledge. "I put all of my concepts that have worked so well for me, new and old, into our seminar," he said in the 2005 video, adding, "I'm teaching what I've learned."

Reality fell far short. In fact, the institute was run by a couple who had run afoul of regulators in dozens of states and been dogged by accusations of deceptive business practices and fraud for decades. Similar complaints soon emerged about the Trump Institute.

Yet there was an even more fundamental deceit to the business, unreported until now: Extensive portions of the materials that students received after forking over their seminar fees, supposedly containing Mr. Trump's special wisdom, had been plagiarized from an obscure real estate manual published a decade earlier.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/30/us/politics/donald-trump-institute-plagiarism.html

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jun 16 - 08:59 PM

These are the times the dearly departed wise contributors to this niche or social media are most missed and most needed.

Their thoughts and clarity on the descent into W bushocracy is still a pale warning of things to come.

As for Trump who among us will die as the result of a Trump Presidency, be it by accidental blowback or by patriotism?

Who among us would enjoy carrying out the orders of rendering Isis style torture and executions by decree of the Trump fight fire with fire policy?

Trump U is old news. Most people assume most things are scams except the most vulnerable and naïve.

Private Militia America is on a hair trigger if Presidential permission is given to them. This a existing brown shirt army armed to the teeth.

If you are not sure what the 3 percenters are, google them.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 03:34 AM

Spaw must be laughing and spitting fire at the same time. Wherever he is!

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 03:51 PM

I don't give a flying crap about what Mr. Red says I should or should not do at this point. This whole stinking sack of ropey semen is worse than anything Benedict Donald did, worse than the actual uncivil War and worse than 9-11 on meth steroids. Of course I am talking about the Bengasi shit show.

Just wait for the Trump retrotainment Convention. What I can see that you can't is the tons of oxytocin soaked confetti that will be dropped on all the runner up Miss Americas and 3% Skin Head White Supremist ass holes and drunk delegates. And good thing too! Otherwise there would be a whole lot violence, rape and gun play. The whole shit show is like a fart in the wind. The only thing that is a damn shame here is that there is no god damn wind.


btw Goats don't scape themselves so get at it.

Subject: RE: BS: Be afraid USA, be very afraid.
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jul 16 - 08:45 PM

The few the loud the raving

The Trump Militias