BS: Where Is The Outpouring?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:33 PM

We have a parrot in our midst. Actually, that's a disservice to the average parrot. Parrots are rather fine birds which, whilst having no great intellect, go about their business with straightforwardness and honesty. There is nothing fine about bobad/anonymous guest-coward, and he is a total stranger to honesty and integrity. But the "no great intellect" bit applies in spades. A totally disreputable thicko if ever I met one.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 03:56 PM

Bobad, I can only conclude from your response that you do not want this forum to know where you obtain your information.

Are the sites so extreme you do not want to share them.





Don't answer if you don't feel comfortable with that.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 01:43 PM

Raggy, see post from Teribus on 22 Jul 16 - 02:47 AM .

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 01:13 PM

In this case the friends of your enemies are not your friends, they are fiends. You may get new best fiends you may not want.

Before Mudcat is listed as an anti Semitic website, weigh your words and intentions carefully.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 12:58 PM

Bobad, re your post of the 20th. Still waiting for your figures. I am not quite sure you`re so sure of them especially as we don,t know what they are or where they came from.

Care to enlighten us .....................

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 12:01 PM

For your edification Greg, this article by Professor Eugene Kontorovich explains the legal status in international law of the so-called "occupied territories" in terms even you will be able to understand: Crimea, International Law, and the West Bank

I'll post his bio to help you out for when you attack him:

Professor Kontorovich's research spans the fields of constitutional law, international law, and law and economics. He has authored a series of papers that extend "transaction cost" analysis from private law to constitutional law. Prof. Kontorovich is also a leading expert on maritime piracy, universal jurisdiction and international criminal law. His scholarship has been relied on in important foreign relations cases in the federal courts, and historic piracy cases in the U.S. and abroad. He is working on a book, Justice at Sea: Piracy and the Limits of International Criminal Law, under contract with Harvard University Press.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 10:41 AM

It's a long time since I read such a load of old bollocks. Taking a political stance against Israel has nothing to do with antisemitism.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 09:52 AM

A quick Google of Quakers and anti-semitism pretty well exposes their position on Israel and Jews. This from an article in the Wall Street Journal:

"The Quakers began to take a fervently pro-Palestinian stance in later decades. In 1973 the AFSC called for a U.S. embargo on arms and other aid to Israel, and in 1975 adopted "a formal decision to make the Middle East its major issue." It opened an office in Israel, installed specialized staff members at offices in the U.S., and began advocating for Palestinians in Israeli and international courts. The AFSC treads dangerously close to outright anti-Semitism and "replacement theology," the idea that Palestinians were the "new Jews," displaced and downtrodden."

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 09:18 AM

You're absolutely correct; you DON'T knowmuch of anything as this:

using the term "occupied territories" is buying into the false narrative

amply demonstrates.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:49 AM

Or is The Society of Friends another bunch of antisemites?

I don't know, are they?

I would say that using the term "occupied territories" is buying into the false narrative.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:44 AM

the false narrative of Israel and "the West" being the cause of terrorism and unrest

False Narrative?

Well, Boo, the American Friends Service Committee wants Israel out of the Occupied Territories and opposes the atrocities perpetrated by the government of Israel against the Palestinians.

If its true enough for The Quakers, its true enough for me.

Or is The Society of Friends another bunch of antisemites?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:31 AM

Well I don't know whose ideology that is but it's miles away from mine. You do make things up as you go along, don't you. Secret identities, for example. Lies about how you prefer to attack the issue, not the man. Now this.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:08 AM

Why is that not enough?

Because it destroys the ideological position of those who deny the extent of anti-semitism and exaggerate that of "Islamophobia" to support the false narrative of Israel and "the West" being the cause of terrorism and unrest in the world today.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 07:23 AM

Excuse me. This is supposed to be about religion-based hate crimes, not ethnicity-based hate crimes. Which is why I was extremely sceptical about the rather scanty information so far provided by our resident right-wing cabal. As for the FBI, who can forget that it was once run by the hardly-unimpeachable J. Edgar Hoover?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 07:16 AM

Some more info. on the stats.

"A significant number of the anti-Jewish hate crimes – 451 – consisted of vandalism or some other type of property damage. The numbers for more serious offenses against Jews were roughly the same as for more serious offenses against Muslims. There were more aggravated assaults and robberies committed against Muslims, and more simple assaults, intimidations, burglaries, thefts, and arson offenses against Jews. There were no reported hate crime murders of Muslims last year.

If you take the FBI statistics at face value, there were also no murders targeting Jews last year. But in fact, the report omitted three shocking anti-Jewish murders during this period."
http://forward.com/news/325988/jews-are-still-the-biggest-target-of-hate-crimes/

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 07:09 AM

Steve,
Well I'm still waiting to hear about the precise nature of these alleged crimes

There are thousands silly!
All we know is that the FBI recorded them all as "hate crimes."
Why is that not enough?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 06:31 AM

Well I'm still waiting to hear about the precise nature of these alleged crimes. Of course, the easiest thing to do is to throw out a bit of lazy, incomplete information then castigate everyone else for not looking it up. What were they - hate speech, cyber-bullying, physical attacks? How many led to convictions? Wouldn't you have thought that the people who present us with these stunning facts would actually know?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 06:51 PM

Interesting that of the religious hate crimes the atheist victims were in the minority.

Probably because there's less about athiests to hate than there is about god-botherers, pete.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 06:16 PM

I should have thought that if you think someone's sources are right wing, that you could provide your own indisputably unbiased sources. Interesting that of the religious hate crimes the atheist victims were in the minority. Maybe that statistic puts it squarely in the right wing bracket !

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 07:20 AM

I doubt whether he learned much there. I suppose that all the tutors and lecturers hid under the tables in terror as soon as he walked in.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 04:26 AM

Hello, Anyone home ?

Seeing as most of Bobads figures are likely to come from obscure and often extreme right wing sites the figures found on other websites will almost certainly not correlate. It is only by looking at HIS sources and understanding HIS sources can an objective comparison be made.

Did you not learn that at University ?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 02:47 AM

Raggytash - 21 Jul 16 - 04:42 PM

"but how on earth can I check independently for myself figures that Bobad hasn't actually provided." - Bleats Raggytash with a "Sheesh !! thrown in for effect.

Same way as the allegedly unintelligent Teribus did you dull prat.

But just in case you are one of those who cannot chew gum and walk at the same time. Here's the step by step:

1: Bobad drew attention to "Hate Crime" figures for the USA, Canada and Europe challenging the reader to look them up saying that those who did so would be in for a surprise.

2: Google USA Hate Crime Statistics" for the data for the USA.

3: Repeat Google for Canada and then for European countries.

4: Study the data, be surprised, then tell us all about it.

Tell me Raggy when you were in gainful employment were you subject to any restriction on coffee or tea breaks, on the basis that if they let you have any it would waste too much time retraining you?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 06:05 PM

No Jews have been driven out of Mudcat by antisemitic attacks. That is arrant nonsense presented to us by a brainless cheating twerp who thinks that mindless lashing out is a valid method of debate. I don't know of one person here who would tolerate the abuse of Jewish people simply because they are Jewish. The criticism levelled by bobad is spiteful, hateful and a pack of lies, perfectly in keeping with his thoroughly dishonest and bigoted persona. He may be thinking that time will somehow diminish the criticism of his deceitful behaviour here. He is wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 04:42 PM

" Naw, Raggy that's not it at all - you're just too bone idle and scared to find out what might come up. IF the reason was that you don't trust him that is all the more reason why you should check it independently. You aren't going to do it but I thought that anyone reading this thread should know why"

I know you are not very intelligent Teribus but how on earth can I check independently for myself figures that Bobad hasn't actually provided.


Sheesh !!

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 01:46 PM

Hey, Boo- where's that list of Jewish members that have been driven out of the Mudcat??

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 12:44 PM

You've never experienced more of an unphysical unbully than me in your little life, Teribus, and it speaks volumes about your distemper that you have the nerve to come out with such arrant nonsense. I was quite proud to be a union activist, but I don't even know what "agitators" do. I expect they agitate easily agitated and irascible old buggers like you. Keep taking the tablets, old son. I've never agitated a police horse but I did get run over by a mobility scooter at a charity do last week but one. By the way, which end gets dipped in excreta, the knitting needle end or the tennis ball end?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 12:24 PM

Ah so Shaw it was entirely of your own bat that you picked fights and called people names as a young un oop North was it? Have you always been a physical bully Shaw? Union activist, or was it agitator must have come very easy to you. The way you describe yourself is almost as unwholesome as that other left wing-activist, who used to contribute to this forum, who boasted about how he used to go out to demonstrations with knitting needles stuck through tennis balls that were then dipped in human excreta to stick into the flanks of police horses.

Raggytash - 21 Jul 16 - 06:08 AM

Naw, Raggy that's not it at all - you're just too bone idle and scared to find out what might come up. IF the reason was that you don't trust him that is all the more reason why you should check it independently. You aren't going to do it but I thought that anyone reading this thread should know why.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 06:14 AM

That last post of Teribus's doesn't make sense. Nobody around here puts me up to anything. Take your conspiracy theories and stick 'em where the sun don't shine, if there's any room left.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 06:08 AM

There is a very good reason for me to ask Bobad to provide a link to his "figures" and that is there is a good number of people who do not trust him.

If his "figures" are to be believed we need know what they are, we need to be able to see them in context and be able to see the source.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 06:01 AM

Dare say it would be considered so now Shaw with special attention and focus paid to whoever it was put you up to it. Explains a great deal.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 06:00 AM

Incidentally, you pompous ass, you're not here for any other reason but to blow your own trumpet. You're certainly not here to educate us.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 05:58 AM

Fine. Do what you always do, feed us with half-baked, unsupported "information." Just have another read of your 04.14 post and try, just try, to figure out why it arouses suspicion, why it looks agenda-laden. Go on, have a go.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 05:52 AM

Shaw, Raggy, I took the trouble to look them up - rouse yourselves and do likewise - I am not here to spoon feed idiots like you pair on a "Fisking" expedition.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 05:46 AM

When I were a little lad oop north, us lot from the Catholic primary school jeered the kids from the CofE junior school just up the street, called them proddydogs and started fights. Was that a religious-based hate crime?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 04:46 AM

You would also need to factor in the percentage of any particular group as a proportion of the total number in any given state or country.

Mean, Mode, Median.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 04:36 AM

Right, I'm listening. So what are the overall numbers of these religious hate crimes? How many convictions have ensued? What's the difference between a religious hate crime and a racism-based crime? Has any account been taken of the possibility that minorities are intrinsically more sensitive to this kind of abuse and more likely to report, or that not all minorities are the same in this regard?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 04:14 AM

Religious based hate crimes in the USA according to those reported to the FBI:

- 62.4 percent were victims of an offender’s anti-Jewish bias.
- 11.6 percent were victims of an anti-Islamic bias.
- 7.5 percent were victims of a bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group).
- 6.4 percent were victims of an anti-Catholic bias.
- 2.6 percent were victims of an anti-Protestant bias.
- 0.9 percent were victims of an anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.
- 8.6 percent were victims of a bias against other religions (anti-other religion).

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 08:23 PM

Jaysus, don't ask him stuff, Greg. He's a serial liar and a cheat. You'd get a more honest response if you asked Trump why he loves Mexicans so.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 08:19 PM

I will say that the statistics show that hate crimes committed against Muslims in the US, Canada and Europe are but a fraction of those committed against the main victim of religious based hate crimes overall.

You can say whatever you wish, be it bullshit or not. Post your "evidence", or shut the fuck up.

Again:what have those "statistics" got to do with your stock response that anyone criticizing the Government of Israel or Israeli atrocities is an "anti-semite"?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 08:19 PM

Bullshit. Come along now. You were the first to bring this up. Piss or get off the pot. If you can actually find your tiny pisser, that is. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 07:56 PM

I challenged big mouth Greg, who is the OP of this thread and bleats on about "Islamophobia", to post them but, as I said, he will never do that because that would shatter his (and Shaw's) delusional obsession with the myth of so-called "Islamophobia". Look them up yourselves boys......if you dare.

For the benefit of those who may be following this thread and are interested I will say that the statistics show that hate crimes committed against Muslims in the US, Canada and Europe are but a fraction of those committed against the main victim of religious based hate crimes overall. In the Middle East the primary victims of religious hate crimes are Christians if you discount sectarian Muslim slaughter.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 05:33 PM

Come along now, forum cheat and serial liar, post those statistics that are going to embarrass us. Show us that you are not actually all talk and no trousers. Jesus, think of it. Bobad with no trousers. Get yer microscopes out, lads...

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 04:05 PM

We don't know your facts and numbers you've not shared them with us.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 01:34 PM

Ha, ha....moving the goal posts now, are we?

Don't you just hate it when facts and numbers destroy your cherished ideology.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 12:36 PM

So I guess them statistics don't support your spew after all, eh Boo?

By the way, what have those "statistics" got to do with your stock response that anyone criticizing the Government of Israel or Israeli atrocities is an "anti-semite"?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 12:10 PM

Post 'em yourself

Lol.....I don't blame you for not wanting to, I wouldn't either if I held your views.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 11:47 AM

Oh, and Greg, look up religious hate crimes statistics in the US, Canada and Europe and post them here

Post 'em yourself, Boo - if they're so damn important to your spew.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 10:51 AM

Oh, and Greg, look up religious hate crimes statistics in the US, Canada and Europe and post them here......I dare you.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 10:41 AM

You must be chuffed to have such a wonderful bedfellow, Teribus! 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 10:10 AM

As in your stock response that anyone who speaks out about Islamist terrorism is an Islamophobe?

BTW look up the new anti-semitism - you might learn something.