BS: Where Is The Outpouring?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 09:51 AM

That's just his stock response

As in your stock response that anyone criticizing the Government of Israel or Israeli atrocities is an "anti-semite", Boo?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 07:59 AM

That's just his stock response to you having nailed it perfectly in your post of 19 Jul 16 - 05:42 AM. It's the written equivalent of someone furiously flapping his gums and saying absolutely nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 03:39 AM

Lost what Shaw?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 09:33 AM

Once again avoiding the issue and once again espousing the abuse you say you object to so much.

Not that I'm surprised by either.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 08:23 AM

Begodbegod, Teribus, you've really lost it now, haven't you.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 05:42 AM

But Raggy, I do honesty think that you are a prat so why should I say anything other than that. I tend to speak generally as I find and treat all others with the same respect they show me.

You are part of a little clique on this forum who for over two years now have targeted a specific individual and deliberately set out to misrepresent anything and everything he says and have attempted to bully him and cow him into submission or drive him from the forum - I am delighted to be able to say that you and your friends have been spectacularly unsuccessful in achieving your aim - long may that continue to be the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 05:16 AM

Teribus, I never met Beethoven but I can still recognise his music.

I do notice that yet again you (who is so vocal in your objections to such) resort to abuse calling me a prat and reverting to an abridged version of my pseudonym. Not exactly conducive to reasonable discussion, a problem I thought at least you recognised if not your running mate who clearly will never abide by the "rules" which the rest of us try to adhere to after various communications from Mudcat Central.

The photographs clearly show people protesting outside abortion clinics, many are carrying placards, some of those placards are overtly Christian. You figure it out for yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 05:03 AM

Raggy you prat the truth still remains as far as my own personal experience goes - I haven't come across a single one.

Photographs in newspapers? Do YOU believe everything they write? Anybody can take a photograph and write a caption under it - doesn't necessarily mean anything or serve as a guarantee for truth - ask Piers Morgan, he knows all about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 04:47 AM

Professor, Could you please show me where I have claimed that the protestors at the clinics were "mainstream Christians"

I merely asked if they were not, then were they radical fundamentalist Christians .................................... who we are told by you do not exist. You described them as "fringe extremists" whatever that is.

As for Teribus he is getting as bad as you for changing his argument he denied such people existed e.g "Guess what PRAT I haven't come across a single one" Then when presented with an array of photographs of the self same people he tried to change the discussion to the people outside Boris Johnsons house and now he is claiming he was responded to another poster. Deceitful and duplicitous.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 03:56 AM

Greg,
Open your farkin' eyes, Professor. Check the archives of any major newspaper or news service for the last 10 years.
(HINT: check the U.S. of A.)

I have searched and so have you.
You can't find a single thing either, or you would have posted it.

Steve,
The people who harass those poor young women and girls are extremists beyond the fringe.
No-one thinks they are "mainstream."
Your claim that "many Christians" do has no basis in reality. It is just your own bigoted and prejudiced opinion

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 12:23 PM

The claim being challenged is that "many Christians" regard such behaviour as that of "mainstream Christians."

So show me where the Pope, the cardinals, the Archbishop of Canterbury and any other Christian leaders have instructed their priests, nuns and congregations to desist from picketing abortion clinics. Silence on the matter, as with child abuse, reeks of acquiescence. If there has been condemnation of the practice, it hasn't amounted to very much.

I don't agree with people picketing the homes of individuals, by the way. That includes the press pack. But at least Boris Johnson's disgraceful lying behaviour in recent weeks has affected everybody in the country. The anger is justified and the picketing is understandable but misguided. However, Daily Mailisms such as "he'd probably have been killed" are utterly ridiculous. Anyone can say stuff like that to justify their position. A woman having an abortion is an exceptionally private matter that impinges on no-one beyond her close family and friends and is a highly personal decision, and it's legal. Sanctimonious indignation from people unaffected by that, expressed loudly by demonstrators outside a clinic, is an outrage that should be universally condemned. Which it isn't, much to the disgrace of the organisations those people belong to.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 11:50 AM

You can not justify that claim and neither can Rag or Greg

Open your farkin' eyes, Professor. Check the archives of any major newspaper or news service for the last 10 years.

(HINT: check the U.S. of A.)

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 11:01 AM

Steve,
I didn't say that all Christians condone such behaviour

No, and no-one has accused you of saying that.
The claim being challenged is that "many Christians" regard such behaviour as that of "mainstream Christians."
You can not justify that claim and neither can Rag or Greg because it is just your own bigoted and prejudiced opinion with no basis in fact.

but I did say that I don't see much of the outrage that you've just expressed.
Not in the post being challenged.
Your first use of the word "outrage came later, on 16 Jul 16 - 06:48 AM
"If I'm wrong, prove it by showing me that mainstream Christianity firmly rejects these horrid people.(Done that!) Show me the Christian outrage, please."

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 10:44 AM

Oh no Raggy just taking Shaw's claim at face value and making a comparison to protestors who did set out to deliberately harass and cause trouble and who did attract the attention of the media by their actions.

Are you still bumping into them right-left-and-centre? Have you asked them yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 10:00 AM

Ah, Progress. You now acknowledge that these protestors do in fact exist. Only a couple of days ago you claimed complete ignorance of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 09:55 AM

Those you speak of are about as "mainstream" as those who "protested" outside the Home of Boris Johnson yesterday are "mainstream" Labour or Remain supporters. One of them on being interviewed sated that had Boris Johnson arrived on the scene yesterday he would probably have been killed.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 07:34 AM

Thanks for that. I didn't say that all Christians condone such behaviour but I did say that I don't see much of the outrage that you've just expressed. Not enough, I'd say. Silence speaks volumes at times. And I reiterate that I'm not talking about physical violence when I say harassment. That's a different ball game.

Keith, picketing outside clinics is clearly what I meant by harassment outside clinics. The entrance to an abortion clinic is an entirely inappropriate place to carry out any form of protest. I've described the behaviour I'm referring to several times. I shouldn't need to spell it out every time I mention it. You never do, after all, as with that Wheatcroft business. Unlike you, I don't go around changing the meaning every time I bring it up. And if that quote in speech marks in your post was supposed to be something I said, it's a misquote. Go back and check.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 04:31 AM

Steve your post of 17th July at 10-33am is spot on. I agree with every word. Peaceful protest is perfectly acceptable, but NOT outside a clinic and not directed at vulnerable people. The doctors and their patients, as you say, have every right to go about their business in peace.
As a practising Christian I would want to express my opinions about abortion in less aggressive and unkind ways. (I actually have very mixed feelings on the subject, and would find it hard to express anything coherent) However, I imagine a woman coping with a termination, for whatever reason, needs support, care and kindness. Those are qualities a true Christian should have tons of. And that should come before any fundamentalist holier-than-thou posturing, or nasty and savage attacks on our fellows.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 04:04 AM

Greg,

Open your farkin'eyes, Professor. Check the archives of any major newspaper or news service for the last 10 years.

I can find nothing to support the claim that "the people who harass women at abortion clinics.....are seen by many Christians (RC or other) as mainstream."

Why will none of you who support the claim produce the evidence?
Because you can't!!

Steve,
All I'm saying is that standing outside a clinic picketing women or medical staff is improper behaviour and should be condemned by Christians and non-Christians alike

Not true Steve.
Your claim was about "people who harass women at abortion clinics."
Such behaviour IS "condemned by Christians and non-Christians alike."

Rag,

So I'll ask the question for the THIRD time. If the Christians who hassle women at the clinics are not mainstream what are they.

In my opinion their behaviour is unacceptable to Christians.
I would regard them as fringe extremists if Christian at all, and certainly not "mainstream" Christians.
My experience is that all the many Christians I know or have met would share that view.
I have come across nothing that would justify Steve's claim, and none of your little pack of supporters can find anything either because the claim is based on nothing but prejudice.
Supporting that prejudice makes you all bigots.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 01:19 PM

Do you have any evidence that ""the people who harass women at abortion clinics.....are seen by many Christians (RC or other) as mainstream."

Open your farkin'eyes, Professor. Check the archives of any major newspaper or news service for the last 10 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 01:17 PM

the many Jewish members who have left

Name'em, Boo! And you and BeardedBS don't count.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 10:33 AM

I have nothing against protesters. All I'm saying is that standing outside a clinic picketing women or medical staff is improper behaviour and should be condemned by Christians and non-Christians alike. I don't see much of that condemnation. There are more civilised and more effective ways of getting your message across than sloganising at vulnerable people. Whatever you may think of the women and the doctors, they are morally entitled to go about their legal business without being confronted with placards, chanting and shouted abuse. And, if I may say so, it isn't very Christian to condone such bad behaviour.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 10:17 AM

In the sense of believing the traditional teaching of scripture as to the sanctity of human life, I would think the protesters are mainstream. Where they are not so mainstream , is that the rest of us who also believe in the sanctity of life , and therefore oppose abortion in general, are less proactive. Whether that is a good thing I am not so sure.                   I am surprised this had,nt been closed by now. Other threads have been closed for a lot less abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 07:28 AM

Why don't you or the professor answer the question that has been posed three times.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 07:24 AM

Raggytash - 17 Jul 16 - 04:19 AM

Raggy as you seem to trip over these people on what seems to be a daily basis why don't you ask them?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 04:19 AM

So I'll ask the question for the THIRD time. If the Christians who hassle women at the clinics are not mainstream what are they.

Radical Fundamentalist Christians perhaps. Do tell us.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 04:09 AM

Steve,
I asked you to show me the Christian outrage at these people who you claim are not seen by other Christians as mainstream. You can't,

Or atheists, Buddhists etc.
Silly! Much of the outrage comes from Christians.

"When seeing someone who is clearly religious – whether they're wearing indicators of their faith such as a clerical collar, a crucifix, a kippah, or even a t-shirt with a religious message on it – you might assume that person does not believe a woman should have access to compassionate abortion care, or comprehensive sexuality education, or even contraception.
RCRC is proof that you would likely be mistaken."
http://rcrc.org/homepage/about/

Greg,
So you don't consider Roman Catholics "mainstream" Christians[sic], Professor?

Of course they are!
Do you have any evidence that ""the people who harass women at abortion clinics.....are seen by many Christians (RC or other) as mainstream."

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 09:50 PM

Multiple fail!

Lol!

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 09:36 PM

Multiple fail!

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 09:27 PM

Oh dear, he's finally lost it!

Actually haven't lost anything, the only thing that has been lost here is the participation of the many Jewish members who have left in disgust at the direction the forum has taken now that it has become dominated by you and your fellow travelers on the regressive left. The paucity of threads in the BS section pretty much says it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 09:14 PM

I would take suspension as a badge of honour

Well, Boo, we can all hope that the mods will comply with your wishes.

And not before time.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 09:03 PM

Oh dear, he's finally lost it! Well past your bedtime, young man. When you're in bed, as you have two identities, you'll be able to f... y....... Oh, never mind! We know what I mean! Nighty night!

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 08:39 PM

You are very fortunate to be allowed to remain on this forum

Sez you you sick, obsessive fuck. Unlike you I have never been threatened with suspension. And, as a matter of fact, I would take suspension as a badge of honour now that the forum has been taken over by the likes of you and your fellow travelers and has seen the departure of many fair minded, progressive members.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 08:37 PM

Cheers Greg. We really do have the twat among twats here, don't we. It's 1.30 am this end and I'm not as sentient as I was a couple of hours ago! The sack calleth...

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 08:17 PM

Say good-night, Boo- take your bullshit elsewhere.

Leave this thread to the sentient beings.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 08:16 PM

Nope. You're a bloody liar because not once in all my years on this forum have I ever moaned to the mods about being insulted/called a name/been misrepresented, nothing. Yes I got my teeth into you and finally got Joe Offer to find you out and concede that you were the anonymous Guest who revelled in calling us Jew-haters. You are very fortunate to be allowed to remain on this forum, which you bring into disrepute every time you post. In every other forum I've ever been on you'd have been booted off for dishonesty and multiple identitiues years ago. You have lied about your identity and you are lying about me whingeing to the mods. I know it, they know it, and, perhaps, they'd care to confirm it. They do feel a bit sorry for you, so they may not go public on that, but they will not contradict what I've said. I do all my arguing in public on this forum under my real name, always. You're the one getting all sweaty and heady every time you call people Jew-haters, because that's how trolls live their lives. Jaysus, I broke my pledge there not to speak to you again tonight. How lucky you are. Don't go having wet dreams now.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 07:56 PM

Ah, ha ha....sweating now are we Stevie boy?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 07:48 PM

No you haven't, you bloody liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 07:40 PM

And you're the prototypical bully who can dish it out but can't take it and who runs crying to the mods (and I have PM's from mods to prove it).

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 07:35 PM

Yes I'm consistent. Unlike you, I always post under my own real name and have never cheated this forum by pretending to be someone else. I'm consistently not a lying cheat like you are. You are a total disgrace and Christ only knows why the powers that be here put up with scumbags like you. Now yowu've had a damn sight more than you deserve from me already tonight and that's your lot. So why don't you just crawl back under your stone and fester in your stinking pile of self-inflicted dishonesty.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 07:26 PM

Still the deranged obsessive I see, at least you are consistent.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 07:08 PM

The main "fact" is that you are a charlatan who cheated everyone on this forum, including the moderators (I have PMs from them to prove it) by posting under multiple secret identities, pretending that you needed anonymity in order that we might address the issue, not the man. Now that you're sussed, I see you still can't resist calling people Jew haters, exactly what you did for years under your cowardly false identity. No-one else here, even the most bigoted, has ever stooped so low as you did. It is very important that anyone reading your posts knows this, and I won't stop reminding people here about your dishonesty, your cowardice and your lying nature as long as I'm allowed to carry on doing so. I really hope that Keith eand Teribus are proud of their association with you. They must be over the moon.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 06:49 PM

Yep, Teribus has them slinking off with their tails between their legs. Facts trump ideology every day of the week.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 06:37 PM

You OK with bobad, Teribus? The archetypal forum cheat is on your side! Woo-hoo! You must feel very proud!

As I said, you are the master of twist and spin. Your last post is a total misrepresentation of everything I've said and I'm getting fed up of putting you right. You're a waste of space, you've had your day, old chap, and you're simply not worth spending any more time on. Have another vat of whatever you have vats of. Nighty night!

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 06:13 PM

No need Greg, your and your fellow travelers' spew leaves little room.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 06:03 PM

Enter the Boo, with the regular Spew. Suppose I should be grateful he hasn't vomited all over this thread in the last few days. Brief Boo hiatus.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 05:22 PM

100

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 05:16 PM

And yet these hypocrites have no compunction at running around bellowing "Islamophobe" at people. I am thoroughly enjoying the spectacle of Keith and Teribus kicking their Jew hating, jihadi apologist asses - keep it up boys.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 04:15 PM

the people who harass women at abortion clinics.....are seen by many Christians as mainstream.

So you don't consider Roman Catholics "mainstream" Christians[sic], Professor?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 03:46 PM

Or would that be "by Crist..."