BS: Where Is The Outpouring?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 06:52 PM

If you're going to Google for opponents of Maajid Nawaz you can surely do better that Nathan Lean, a Saudi funded, unhinged apologist for Islamism who sees Islamophobes under every bed (sound familiar?)

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 06:58 PM

Nawaz is a dishonest opportunist. It's hardly surprising that you of all people should find yourself in his camp.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 08:15 PM

Not "opponents" of your man, Boo - just the rest of the story. I'm not willing to embrace him him uncritically, as you are.

By the way:

There is a tendency to jump to the “terrorism label” when a Muslim commits an act of violence, an assumption that Muslims are “only motivated by some twisted interpretation of Islam rather than a host of personal and social factors,” according to Patel.

“Because Muslim violence is described as part of a broader ideological frame, it both heightens the perception of the threat ‘Islam is waging a war against the West’ and makes it easier to place blame on all Muslims. In contrast, non-Muslim shooters are more often described as individuals with mental or social problems not part of some broader movement, although their beliefs too are often explored in the press,” she said.

“I am afraid that a Muslim name makes it much easier for Americans to apply the label ‘terrorism’ to violent actions. But needless to say, Muslims are just like everyone else. They have all kinds of reasons for what they do. Terrorism is one; but we should try to remember that terrorism was not invented by Muslims,” Lakoff said. “We are much too likely to think of Muslims as prototypical ‘terrorists’ while homegrown Christian types who misbehave in analogous ways are just individuals not acting out of political motives. Wrong, of course.”

“In my view, the solution isn't to call more things terrorism, but to get away from the politics of that label. We should evaluate, and respond to threats based on actual attacks, capacity and seriousness of intent,” Patel said. “Not on perceptions about a particular religion or racial or ethnic group.”

Continues at
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=40488653

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 13 Jul 16 - 07:47 AM

Nawaz is a dishonest opportunist. It's hardly surprising that you of all people should find yourself in his camp.

He's a fierce opponent of Islamist extremism and the one who coined the apt descriptive "regressive Left". It's hardly surprising that you would be critical of him.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jul 16 - 09:22 AM

Boo- re-read the article @ 12 Jul 16 - 05:06 PM, this time for comprehension.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 16 - 01:54 PM

😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 13 Jul 16 - 03:24 PM

Glad quoting Dawkins gives you a laugh. I found it strangely funny too. But quoting hostile witnesses is sometimes more apt . And of course , if I quoted a Christian you would say it was biased. Being a uk resident I don't get to hear about all these Christian terrorist organisations strapping bombs to themselves and shouting Jesus words as they blow themselves up in abortion business places. In fact, I think we are rather lacking in them. How many times , say , every year, does it happen over there? You must be continually in fear of your life , being infidels, being as there are so many Christians over there ...some of them might be terrorists eh !

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 16 - 05:49 AM

Comparing how many terrorists the perverted factions of religions can throw up is hardly a reflection of the mainstream. What could be a little more disturbing is that the people who harass women at abortion clinics (it's CLINICS, Pete) see themselves as mainstream and are seen by many Christians as mainstream. I think the difference between a typical Muslim and an Islamic terrorist is a little sharper. However, if I were absolutely forced to be religious by some decree, I'd choose Christianity (not martyrdom) any day. I think Richard Dawkins would agree.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Jul 16 - 07:13 AM

I'm rather drawn to Wicca myself. All that appreciation of wildlife, Mother Nature, the trees and plants, a bit like Animism. You don't often hear of Wiccan terrorists do you? And imagine dancing about naked on Midsummer's Eve. Er, wait....perhaps not....

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 16 - 03:18 PM

see themselves as mainstream and are seen by many Christians as mainstream.

Can you substantiate your latest wild assertion Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 16 - 04:55 PM

Just prove me wrong, Keith, if you can. You know I don't play your stupid games.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 03:50 AM

A Christian myself, I am aware of no evidence at all that they "see themselves as mainstream and are seen by many Christians as mainstream."

Clearly you are not either or you would have mentioned it.
It is just your latest wild and baseless assertion Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 06:09 AM

Not an answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 06:44 AM

They must be fundamentalist Christians then, who'd have thought it that the Christian church could be so represented eh tut tut

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 08:50 AM

A Christian myself, I am aware of no evidence

Ah, but then as a "Christian"[sic] you NEED no evidence, Professor, as you have amply demonstrated.

Educate yourself about the Anti-Abortion "Christians"[sic] in the U.S. before making a fool of yourself yet again.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 09:31 AM

I know about them Greg.
Steve claimed that they " are seen by many Christians as mainstream" but they are not.
He made that up.
Nor can they possibly imagine that their views are mainstream when so few follow them.
He made that up too.

as a "Christian"[sic] you NEED no evidence, Professor, as you have amply demonstrated.

How could I demonstrate anything so nonsensical Greg?
You made that up.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 10:27 AM

they " are seen by many Christians as mainstream" but they are not.

As I said, Educate yourself, Profesor. If you can state the above nonsense, you're obviously ignorant of the facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 10:35 AM

Duh .............. you believe in a God but you have no evidence.

Belief perhaps .............. Evidence ............... er No.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 10:42 AM

Greg,
As I said, Educate yourself, Profesor. If you can state the above nonsense,...

It is not nonsense. They are not seen by many Christians as mainsteam. I would know if it was true, but it is not.
That is why neither you nor Steve can support that ridiculous assertion.
It is made up bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 10:44 AM

Rag,
Duh!
We are not talking about belief.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 10:52 AM

I should like to point out to Keith that I did not refer to the murderous types who kill doctors, assault women or damage the clinics. I said the people who harass women at abortion clinics. That's the aggressive shouters and the placard-wavers and the faux-prayerful hectorers. I don't think they have the moral right to do any of that, whatever the law says. They are seen as mainstream by many Christians, as doing the right thing in opposing abortion in that manner. They are actually out to intimidate, if not terrorise, vulnerable women. I think that people who oppose abortion are utterly misguided, but that they are entitled to express themselves in peaceful and non-confrontational ways that don't attack or intimidate individual women or doctors. That's what I would call mainstream. What would you call mainstream, Keith?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 11:10 AM


I should like to point out to Keith that I did not refer to the murderous types who kill doctors, assault women or damage the clinics.
The rest of us, including Greg, were talking about terrorists.

Do you have anything to support your wild assertion that "the people who harass women at abortion clinics.....are seen by many Christians as mainstream."

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 11:47 AM

Prove I'm wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 03:25 PM

A Christian myself, I am aware of no evidence at all that they "are seen by many Christians as mainstream."

Clearly you are not either, or you would have mentioned it.
It is just your latest wild and baseless assertion Steve.

You have made an assertion without being able to offer anything in support of it, because it is just made up shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 03:54 PM

I am aware of no evidence at all

Of course you're not, as you haven't looked! I suppose you think that the Roman Catholic Church and the members thereof aren't "mainstream"?

Gimmie shelter.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 06:24 PM

"I am aware of no evidence at all" is weasel words. Your assertion that my "assertion" is wildly "made up shit" (one of your many silly expressions) either requires evidence or requires dumping. You see, Keith? I'm so much kinder about your nonsense than you are about my nonsense! It's the kind of guy I am...??

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 03:36 AM

Steve Shaw - 15 Jul 16 - 11:47 AM

Prove I'm wrong.

Numbers give a good indication.

The fact that in a country that at the time described it's State religion as being Christian abortion laws were passed is another good indication.

Having never witnessed masses of these "mainstream" Christians yelling and obstructing pavements and hindering innocent passers-by in the vicinity of any hospital or clinic providing these services is yet another good indication.

Never ever knew you had to be a Christian, or indeed religious in any sense, to voice an opinion on the value of human life.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 03:38 AM

It would be difficult to determine what a mainstream Christian is these days. But I am sure Christians generally are opposed to abortion , but non violently. Educating the public though, as to what abortion actually is , and how it is performed is not in my opinion harassment .

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 04:47 AM

Steve,
Your assertion that my "assertion" is wildly "made up shit" (one of your many silly expressions) either requires evidence or requires dumping
The evidence is in your posts, and your inability to substantiate what you claim.

Your assertion that "the people who harass women at abortion clinics.....are seen by many Christians as mainstream." either requires evidence or requires dumping.

A personal, bigoted and prejudiced opinion based on no actual knowledge whatsoever, is worthless and has no place in serious discussion.
In this case it is an unwarranted slur against Christians and reveals your prejudice and Christianophobia.

Greg,
Of course you're not, as you haven't looked!

I have, but I hardly need to as I am an active member of a large Christian community and I would know if Steve's slur against Christians was true.
I note that you also provide nothing whatsoever that supports his claim.
How could you? It is just made up shit.
Will you provide something Greg?
No. Just more personal abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 04:49 AM

Hmmmmmm Some people seem to be able NOT to see whatever they wish not to see.


Abortion Clinic Protests

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 06:14 AM

Rag, your link is just pictures of anti-abortion demonstrators.
What point is that supposed to make, and what is it that "some people seem be able NOT to see?"

Do you have any evidence to support Steve's false claim?
No.
Neither does he and neither does Greg because it is just made up shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 06:48 AM

Are you and Teribus suggesting that most of the people who harass women at abortion clinics are not Christians? Including the ones who are dressing up as joke penguins, carrying crucifix placards or dangling pairs of rosary beads? Teribus, kindly refrain from distorting what I said. I didn't say masses of Christians in the streets, did I. I said that many Christians regard these protesters as mainstream Christians (as opposed to extremists). If I'm wrong, prove it by showing me that mainstream Christianity firmly rejects these horrid people. Show me the Christian outrage, please. I haven't seen much of it. I propose that very large numbers of Catholics in particular are sympathetic to these aggressive people even though they wouldn't necessarily join them outside the clinics. If I'm wrong, show me the Church distancing itself. It's perfectly possible to protest against abortion, wrong-headed though that is, without intimidating individual vulnerable women (behaviour that is as unchristian as could be imagined). I'm open to persuasion, given the evidence rather than your Christian indignation.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 07:52 AM

My post was in response to Teribus's assertion that he didn't know of masses of "mainstream" Christians yelling and blocking pavements etc etc.

Unless of course these people are not mainstream Christians and are in fact Radical Fundamentalist Christians.

As for Steve and Greg I'm quite sure they don't need my help.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 08:07 AM

It's always welcome, Raggytash!

"Educating the public though, as to what abortion actually is , and how it is performed is not in my opinion harassment ."

Of course. But standing outside a clinic picketing individual women when they at their most vulnerable with posters showing scenes of violence, chanting slogans and having to be held back from carrying out physical intimidation has nothing to do with education. I'm absolutely in favour of everyone knowing what abortion involves and how it's done. It's a good bet that the women going into the clinic already know it and that a baying mob will do nothing at all to improve their education.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 09:55 AM

Steve Shaw - 16 Jul 16 - 06:48 AM

Are you and Teribus suggesting that most of the people who harass women at abortion clinics are not Christians?"

Don't know, couldn't say, I've never seen any, so I have never talked to any, Have you? If you haven't then you can make no claims about them on behalf of others.

"I said that many Christians regard these protesters as mainstream Christians (as opposed to extremists)."

When did you commission and conduct this survey? How many Christians of what different persuasions were included in your sample group? Or did you just ask every Christian in the country? Of course you did none of these things, Keith A is perfectly correct you just made it up. As you made the statement it is up to you to substantiate your claim - You won't of course, because...... it's made-up-shit.

"It's perfectly possible to protest against abortion, wrong-headed though that is, without intimidating individual vulnerable women."

Of course it is perfectly possible and I would suspect a lot more common than the aggressive form of demonstrations and actions you are describing, or we would hear about them being reported in local, regional and national news. Off hand I cannot remember ever reading about any violent protests concerning any NHS BPAS Clinic. Many of these Clinics been blown up in the UK? No? Thought not.

If you think it is "wrong headed" that is your opinion not a fact, you are perfectly entitled to it but you have no right whatsoever to impose your opinions on anyone else.

"I'm open to persuasion, given the evidence rather than your Christian indignation."

No you are not, a man less likely to be open to persuasion I could not imagine. My Christian indignation?? How do you know that I am a Christian? Practicing, lapsed or otherwise - fact is you don't.

As far as evidence goes as previously stated:

1) No survey carried out to back up your claims
2) No coverage in the media related to all these violent protests you claim occur on a regular if not a daily basis
3) The NHS provides a perfectly legal Abortion Service available to all - if Christians generally regarded abortion to be against their beliefs then the law would never have been passed. In the Republic of Ireland (A Catholic Country I've heard tell) you even have the The Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act 2013 which came into force on the 1st January 2014 as a direct result of a visitor to the country dying because Doctors there would not abort the woman's baby which was miscarrying in order to save her life.

"Savita Halappanavar, 31, was 17 weeks pregnant when she developed back pain and tests revealed that she would lose her baby.


But despite her repeated pleas over three days, doctors refused to perform a termination as they could still hear the foetus's heartbeat, reportedly telling her: "This is a Catholic country."


Mrs Halappanavar's condition rapidly deteriorated and she died after developing septicaemia four days after the death of her baby."

Five things contributed to the death of this lady:

1: Stupidity
2: Total negligence and failure to follow the Hippocratic Oath supposedly sworn by ALL QUALIFIED DOCTORS
3: Cowardice
4: Total failure of application of common sense
5: Religion used as an excuse to cover the four above.


Raggytash - 16 Jul 16 - 07:52 AM

My post was in response to Teribus's assertion that he didn't know of masses of "mainstream" Christians yelling and blocking pavements etc etc.

So in an attempt to disprove what I said, which was perfectly true by the way, you supply a link to Anti-Abortion Protesters in the USA????

Care to enlighten me as to how and when I must have naturally come across such scenes Raggy and felt I had to lie about it?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 10:35 AM

Having never witnessed masses of these "mainstream" Christians yelling and obstructing pavements and hindering innocent passers-by

So if you haint seed it personally, it don't exist eh, T-Bird?

Idiot.

Professor: "Is Too!" "Is Not!" "Is Too!" "Is Not!" "Is Too!" "Is Not!" "Is Too!" "Is Not!"

I've no intention to playing your schoolyard five-year-old game.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 10:39 AM

FORTUNATELY, no one is going to follow Newt Gingrich’s unconstitutional and un-American plan for an inquisition to “test every person here who is of a Muslim background” and deport the ones who “believe in Shariah.”

Muslims have a wide range of different beliefs about what Shariah requires in practice. And all agree that humans are imperfect interpreters of God’s will. But to ask a faithful Muslim if he or she “believes in” Shariah is essentially to ask if he or she accepts God’s word. In effect, Mr. Gingrich was proposing to deport all Muslims who consider themselves religious believers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/opinion/sunday/a-lesson-for-newt-gingrich-what-shariah-is-and-isnt.html

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 11:57 AM

" Care to enlighten me as to how and when I must have naturally come across such scenes Raggy and felt I had to lie about it?"

Quite amazing really, a man who professes to know so much about Scandinavian housing, France during WW1, Ireland in the early 20th century, modern politics etcetera, etcetera has somehow missed the numerous occasions when these protestors have been reported on national television in the UK.

It's even been commented on frequently enough on this web site.

None so blind as those who will not see. In answer to your last phrase, yes I think you are lying and in order not to show you're lying make the claim you have never seen these things.

For the future, anyone with an ounce of intelligence (I know you are touchy about your lack of education) would try and find out more information before making such crass remarks as you have.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 01:13 PM

If every assertion you made, Teribus, had to be subjected to a "survey," you'd have surveys coming out of your earholes. All too often you regale us with not so much with unsupported "information" but with your tortuous twisted take on things. Now where did I mention the NHS or BPAS clinics, or, indeed, the UK at all? Where did I mention hordes of Christians on the streets? Where did I accuse you of being a Christian? Where did I mention violent protests? I confined my remarks to people harassing women with crucifix placards and rosary beads and penguin suits (by the way, do I really need to "survey" such people to check that they're really Christians and not dressed-up Buddhists?) Where did I say that anti-abortionists aren't entitled to their opinions (I've actually said the opposite of that twice in this thread!)

And the irony bypass you must have gone through, you, of all people, to be able to say this:

"a man less likely to be open to persuasion [meaning yours truly] I could not imagine."

Stunning!

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 02:18 PM

A with too far.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 02:42 PM

"somehow missed the numerous occasions when these protestors have been reported on national television in the UK."

Yet somehow numbnuts you fail to provide us with an example of the "numerous" and had they been so self-evident then I would have assumed that you would have supplied a link of Anti-Abortion Protesters in the UK - BUT YOU DIDN'T DID YOU.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 03:01 PM

Steve,
Your assertion that "the people who harass women at abortion clinics.....are seen by many Christians as mainstream." either requires evidence or requires dumping.

Do you have any knowledge at all that supports that claim, or is it just a whim based on prejudice against Christians and ignorance?
How about you Rag and Greg?


A personal, bigoted and prejudiced opinion based on no actual knowledge whatsoever, is worthless and has no place in serious discussion.
In this case it is an unwarranted slur against Christians and reveals your prejudice and Christianophobia.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 03:09 PM

Steve,
Are you and Teribus suggesting that most of the people who harass women at abortion clinics are not Christians?

No question that the ones in America do mostly call themselves Christians, albeit they are a tiny fraction of one percent of American Christians.

Your claim that "the people who harass women at abortion clinics.....are seen by many Christians as mainstream" is based on what Steve, or did you just make it up??

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 03:41 PM

I asked you to show me the Christian outrage at these people who you claim are not seen by other Christians as mainstream. You can't, because there is no Christian outrage. Just like there's no Christian outrage at centuries of Christian antisemitism and Islamophobia and witch-hunts and oppression of scientists and misogyny and child abuse...the odd half-hearted self-interested apology, of course...

Christianophobia? Too bloody right! Christiano Ronaldo was a jumped-up twat at Man U and Real Madrid haven't improved him much either!

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 03:43 PM

And excuse the poetic spelling licence. All in the name of fun. By Christ, a bit of fun around here wouldn't come amiss.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 03:45 PM

He did just make it up Keith or he would have been back like a rocket.

Union activists and stalwarts always have to check back with whoever it is that tells them who to think whenever question by independent thinkers and people who really do challenge anything told them.

Steve Shaw - 16 Jul 16 - 01:13 PM

1: Most assertions I make are based on fact - you have stated in the past that you don't believe a word I say - so I give you enough information to check what I say out yourself - trouble is you never do.

2: I live on the Eastern side of the Atlantic, you know that full well. So whose Abortion clinics are these Christian fundamentalists or Christian mainstreamers harassing? Must be in the UK or in Europe - Guess what PRAT I haven't come across a single one. So come on Shaw, get in touch via PM with Raggy and with Carroll and come up with at least one fact to back up your preposerous contentions, because so far you have absolutely nothing except your own bigoted bias against religions in general.

3: "Where did I mention hordes of Christians on the streets?

Please correct me if I am wrong here but you said that those harassing vulnerable women entering Abortion clinics were considered as mainstream Christians by the rest of the Christian community. Now logic and reasoning would lead me to believe that if those mainstream Christians are indeed harassing people going into Abortion Clinics then the only f**kin' place they could do it would be on the street outside the bloody clinic.

4: Where did I accuse you of being a Christian?

Again correct me if I am wrong but you did refer to MY CHRISTIAN INDIGNATION - DUH????

5: Where did I mention violent protests? I confined my remarks to people harassing women with crucifix placards and rosary beads and penguin suits (by the way, do I really need to "survey" such people to check that they're really Christians and not dressed-up Buddhists?)

Perhaps Steve you should do some Prison visiting you would learn that "harassment" is violence - possibly a concept not really familiar to a Union Activist totally unused to anyone challenging the "party line". As rto conducting the survey? Yes you do before you haave the complete and utter gall to speak on their behalf in such a manner as you have.

6: Where did I say that anti-abortionists aren't entitled to their opinions (I've actually said the opposite of that twice in this thread!)

You have also declared omnipotently from your self-appointed position on high as fact that those who took such views were "wrong headed".

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 03:46 PM

Or would that be "by Crist..."

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 04:15 PM

the people who harass women at abortion clinics.....are seen by many Christians as mainstream.

So you don't consider Roman Catholics "mainstream" Christians[sic], Professor?

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 05:16 PM

And yet these hypocrites have no compunction at running around bellowing "Islamophobe" at people. I am thoroughly enjoying the spectacle of Keith and Teribus kicking their Jew hating, jihadi apologist asses - keep it up boys.

Subject: RE: BS: Where Is The Outpouring?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 05:22 PM

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