BS: Trump again

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 09:06 AM

I see Trump has given his supporters some very sensible advice - to go to vote for him on 28th November.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 09:13 AM

He did say that in a clear voice.
He rigged the election himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 09:19 AM

Trump = Moron. But he's "good for Amerika" - Ake will explain it to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 10:09 AM

Trump Again - like we did last summer...?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: frogprince
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 10:36 AM

Trump, Trump, Trump, the boys are marching...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 11:06 AM

"Make America Grope Again"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 11:07 AM

"Jim, is it possible to at least TRY to stick to the subject,?"
I answered a point Ake was making - nothing to do with his "appearing on the thread"
Jeri
If it is off topic, it was made such by others, not me
Please be kind enough to mind your own business regarding how I make my postings.
By the way - th prospect of your home-grown sociopath becoming the head of the world's powerful country has us all running for our shelters - perhaps you might remember that before you start slinging your ""wrecking crew" Brit-centered thread fuck-fests" about and instead, try to work out what sort of country allows such an individual to become such a threat.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stu
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 11:45 AM

"We have enough "wrecking crew" Brit-centered thread fuck-fests here without subverting discussion about America's most prominent sociopath."

See what we have to put up with in this country? Have some sympathy for the rest of us; our country is now a fuck-up-fest thanks to these wrecking crews and their myopic belligerence.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 12:21 PM

Jim, if you post it publicly, it IS my business.
The "sort of country that allow such an individual to become such a threat" is the same one that gives you the opportunity to devote your time to the reams of crap you write here. You can say mostly everything you want here.

Guess, what--so can the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 12:35 PM

You don't specify which country is "this country", Stu.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 01:00 PM

"Jim, if you post it publicly, it IS my business."
The idea of public debating forums is that anybody can debate what they wish, hopefully without interference.
I say what I believe and don't expect to be told not to - I wouldn't do it to you.
"The "sort of country that allow such an individual to become such a threat" is the same one that gives you the opportunity "
Not sure I understand your point about (free speech maybe???)
Are you seriously suggesting that a nation that gave us Joe McCarthy, Nixon, Reagan, Dubya and now possibly Trump, poured burning petrol and carcinogenic 'Agent Orange'on Viet-Namese peasants for a quarter of a century, set up such examples as Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib.... actually added to our access to free speech.
In your dreams
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 01:28 PM

I'm not doing trolls today, Jim, but nice try with the hatred of America angle.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 01:49 PM

I can't speak for Jeri, but I can tell you what I would have meant if I had said, "...the same (country) that gives you the opportunity to devote your time to the reams of crap you write here. You can say mostly everything you want here."

I would have meant:

"This forum is hosted in the US and is owned by a US citizen who, in the spirit of The First Amendment to the US Constitution, has chosen to allow pretty much unfettered discussion of almost any subject. He does not have to do so. He could just as easily have a policy of 'No political discussion', or 'No religious discussion', or even 'No non-musical discussion'. He could run this place with an iron fist if he chose to, but he doesn't. His life would probably be easier if he'd simply eliminate the BS section all together, but he's probably not going to. Because he believes in free speech."

Now, back to Trump....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 01:58 PM

The Florid CNN story about dibold vendors and Russian Hackers is about 5 minutes old and should appear on the internet momentarily.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 02:18 PM

"with the hatred of America angle."
Sighhhhhhh!!
Just like another country I could name - point out some bad eggs and you hate us all.
I certainly don't hate Americans, but living within thirty miles of an airport which regularly allowed planes carrying manacled, illegally held untried prisoners on their way to cages in the baking hot sun and long-term separation from their families, tends to give you a somewhat jaundiced view of their various administrations.   
Back to Trump indeed.
If I went in for that sort of thing, I would be praying that this product of America privileged society gets the kicking he deserves in the election, but if anything good is to come out of all this, it must be that your country needs to take a serious look at how such a vicious cretin got as near as he did to The White House.
Something in this particular state is pretty rotten.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 03:54 PM

Your airport story reminded me of when Bush was President. I used to watch the dead fly low and slow lumbering over my head in C-5 cargo planes when they would make their last pass over the capitol and monuments on their way to Andrews AFB.
Sometimes there would only be one plane but at the height of the Iraq war their could be as many as 5 airplanes full of the dead.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 04:42 PM

But ya don't count the dead when God's on your side.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 04:49 PM

Actually Jim it was anger at the established political system and how it works which produced Mr Trump and made him a viable candidate.

Look all over the developed world and you will see the same phenomenon, Mr Corbyn is also a product of public dissatisfaction with establishment politics.

The Republican establishment hates Trump Just as the Democrat establishment hated Bernie.......they see the danger signs ....not to America, but to themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 05:06 PM

No, Ake - the danger signs are for the US and potentially for the entire world if that turd with legs that calls himself Trump is elected.

And, as Jim rightly says, its a disgrace to the U. S, that such a vicious cretin got as near as he has to The White House.

Tell your story walking, and get over your ridiculous anti-Clinton delusions.

Delenda est Trumpolo.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 05:57 PM

Trump Again Whittington, Lord Mayor of London...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 07:18 PM

Actually Jim it was anger at the established political system and how it works which produced Mr Trump and made him a viable candidate.

True enough - it would be equally true to say the same of Mussolini and Hitler.

I read that Citizen Kane is a favourite movie of Donald Trump. Makes sense. He probably switches off the last reel.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 07:22 PM

I read that Citizen Kane is a favourite movie of Donald Trump.

I'm sure that the 1915 "Birth Of A Nation" (a.k.a. 'The Klansman') is also.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 08:13 PM

Where there's Trump,there's grope

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 09:40 PM

One would almost expect Trump would feel an "ownership" of women in his pageants, imported Trump modeling agencies and women on his show.

Sick, compulsive, bullying, controlling, narcissistic
but as he would say
"its good to be the King."

He even made comments about toddlers and Tiaras (beauty contests for 4 yr olds through 9 yr olds.


One could imagine to themselves he is an ideal candidate for 8 mm snuff films.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 16 - 10:46 PM

The account Trump gave, of just groping women because he was attracted to them - it sounds like a bad ride on a crowded subway in New York. I hazard the guess that most women have run into these cretins (I did, a couple of times) and were not impressed. At. All.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stu
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 03:41 AM

"You don't specify which country is "this country", Stu."

The UK. Good old blighty. Once more the home of nationalism, the little Englander mentality, the deluded, misinformed, hatful, xenophobic, homophobic, uncompassionate, misogynistic,short-termist, empire-loving, retrogressive, myopic, bullying boorish oafs we thought we'd consigned to mumbling at their pints in the corner of pubs whist the rest of the world at least tries to advance society in some way, shape or form. Instead of "taking back control" they're handing it lock stock and barrel to the Chinese, cuddling up to the Saudis and any other nasty regime they can make a quick buck off.

This is what America has to look forward to is Trump wins. Demagogues and ideologues having free reign over everyone in the country, turning the clock back and plunging us into a new age of ignorance.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 03:55 AM

"Actually Jim it was anger at the established political system and how it works which produced Mr Trump"
The Republicans were happy to back Trump whn he looked like a winner - any hatred that may now exist only showed its head when he became an embarrassment.
It was not anger that produced him - it was wealth.
Trump has no visible political skills; he has no record in politics - he bought his candidature.
In a way, he is an incidental in this discussion and making him the centre of attention misses the point.
A system which allows anybody to buy access to an office that places a finger such as Trump's on the nuclear button is terrifyingly dangerous and very much in need of repair.
Trump is, in fact, our near neighbour here in the West of Ireland - he owns a golf course just fifteen miles from here.
His club is still part of the long-running fight to make a stretch of our coast unavailable to public access - he's just been beaten in court, but I have no doubt that he'll be back.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 04:21 AM

The upper house of the New South Wales parliament in Australia has unanimously passed a motion calling Trump a "revolting slug" unfit for public Office.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 07:16 AM

And a Scottish court has ruled it's ok for women to pee on his golf course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-37642639

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 08:20 AM

"And a Scottish court has ruled it's ok for women to pee on his golf course."
I'll see if I can't get our local ladies 'in motion' as soon as possible
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 08:24 AM

Trump now being openly accused of sexual assaults on four women.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 09:08 AM

plunging us into a new age of ignorance

Too late, Stu. And there's no need for a new age of ignorance.

Trump is the result of the old age of ignorance; the Republican War On Objective Reality waged since Reagan by Fox news, Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, Jones, Koch & etc. aided by massive cuts to education funding and the Republican War Against Teachers (and Teachers' Unions) by the same crew.

Recall Trump's own comment: "I love the poorly educated".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 10:14 AM

"The UK. Good old blighty. Once more the home of nationalism, "
Nicely put Stu.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 02:34 PM

To be fair, once you cut through all the crap, detritus, meaninglessness excrement and shitty lies you will find Trump is indeed the actual crap you just cut through.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 06:11 PM

Its too soon to call just like another time in history when the morning paper said CLINTO DEFEATS TRU
MAN

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Oct 16 - 01:49 PM

Dewey, I think...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 10:26 AM


The Republicans were happy to back Trump whn he looked like a winner - any hatred that may now exist only showed its head when he became an embarrassment.

Wrong - he wasn't accepted happily by mainstream moderate Republicans (there are still a few). But as the momentum grew the Duck Dynasty trailer court crowd piled on, and there you have it. Many of the rest of the party members decided they had to settle for this candidate, how bad could it be; many of them still absurdly support this cretin because they can't imagine voting for another party.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 11:14 AM

I think the real reason such a large number of the US electorate support Mr Trump is that the opposing candidate is so obviously untruthful and hawkish regarding foreign policy.

Another reason of course is the proven corruption of both political parties, both of whom are heavily financed by and represent corporate interests. They make a mockery of the democratic system.

How long can the US voters continue to ignore the leaked e mails which prove the political corruption at the core of the establishment and the Clinton Foundation.
They no longer even attempt to deny the validity of these e mails, but instead "blame the messenger"
While diverting attention to the personal flaws of the opposition.

The situation is complete madness......A Clinton victory means a return to a "cold war mentality" and probably hot war just down the line.
If that happens, the UK's nuclear weapons are stored only a few miles from my house.....right against the highest centres of population in Scotland ......we will be one of the first targets, so I and the Scottish people have a vested interest.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stu
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 12:18 PM

Michelle Obama's speech last week was the perfect riposte to the blatant misogyny and emotional and intellectual immaturity of Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 12:23 PM

Ake, your anti-Clinton delusions appear to be unhinging you completely. You make less and less sense, and make increasingly fantasist and irrational statements as time goes on.

As for your nuclear war fantasy I think you really should seek psychological help.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 12:44 PM

I agree, Stu. Mr. Obama is a fine orator but he may be only second best in his own family.
Here it is

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 01:09 PM

Somehow, I don't see the logic in trying to combat "the proven corruption of both political parties" by attempting to elect someone as personally corrupt as Mr. Trump.

It's a bit like trying to clean up a corrupt police department by replacing crooked cops with hit men and dope dealers.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 01:25 PM

I think the real reason such a large number of the US electorate support Mr Trump is that the opposing candidate is so obviously untruthful and hawkish regarding foreign policy.

Any supporter of Trump has to have a remarkably high level of tolerance for untruthfulness. Including on foreign policy, where he still persists in the claim that he opposed the Iraq War, in face of cast iron evidence that he did not.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stu
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 01:36 PM

The idea o fTrump commanding service men and women, sending them into battle is sickening.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Lighter
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 04:51 PM

Trump to Howard Stern in 1997:

"[Avoiding venereal disease] was my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier."


Trump at Fort Dodge, Ia., Nov. 12, 2015:

"I'm really good at war. I love war, in a certain way, but only when we win."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 05:15 PM

"The idea o fTrump commanding service men and women, sending them into battle is sickening"......of course it is, WAR is sickening.
It would be just as sickening and much more likely that they be sent into battle by Hillary the Hawk.

Mr Trumps ideas on Foreign policy in the middle east and North Africa would ensure co-operation between the great powers to defeat Islamic Terrorism which may yet destroy Western civilisation, Mrs Clintons ideas take us back three or four decades to a time when a nuclear holocaust looked imminent. Her record in making war is second to none.

The US electorate seem to be moving towards the "least worst" option....I agree with them, but my priority would be to avoid mutual destruction.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 06:48 PM

Ake.

The Trumpshit HAS no ideas worth the name on Foreign policy in the middle east and North Africa. He's an ignorant idiot. See http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/08/politics/republican-national-security-letter-donald-trump-election-2016/

As for "Islamic Terrorism which may yet destroy Western civilisation"(emphasis mine) please do get that psychiatric help which you desperately need.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 04:33 AM


"I'm really good at war. I love war, in a certain way, but only when we win



This immediately reminded me of:

On the quilted battlefield.of soldiers
Dazzling, made of toy tin,
The big bomb, like a child's hand
Can sweep them dead just so to win.


Putting someone.who behaves like a petulant child in charge of the big bomb who likes winning wars is not an encouraging thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 06:00 AM

Both candidates have severe flaws, but that is a reflection on the US political system.

Regarding foreign policy ,Mrs Clinton has much previous form for doing extremely stupid things when in office. Her stance on Iraq, Libya and Syria being typical examples.
I fear the proven warmonger's finger on the nuclear button more than I do the finger of a "social illiberal", which is the reason for most of the hatred we see on these pages.

I'm sorry to say the "liberal" media rule the US and to a lesser extent the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 06:48 AM

Trump is an ignorant buffoon who I'm certain couldn't pass an 8th grade Civics class and is totally unfit to serve in any political office I can think of, let alone POTUS. I come to that conclusion not due to any mythical "liberal media conspiracy" but from a trail of readily available audio and video images that he's left,and still leaves, since the eighties when he first started to promote himself as a media star. The depth of his shallowness is easy to perceive for anyone whose judgment isn't tainted by extreme right wing bloggers.