BS: Good luck USA

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Airymouse
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:04 PM

My view that Senator Sanders would have been elected president has been deemed absolute fantasy, and of course there is no way for me to prove that I am right. I think, however, that the results from Michigan support my view. HRC lost Michigan by fewer than 12,000 votes.There were 89,000 Michigan voters who went to the polls and voted for all measures except the presidential race. These voters found all the candidates unacceptable, but I believe they would have found Sanders acceptable. Why do I believe that? Well for starters HRC was favored by the pollsters in Michigan by between 8 and 20 points, but lost to Sanders in the primary. Michael Moore, who knows more about voters in Michigan than most of us, said that he believed that Donna Brazile's dishonesty played a crucial part in HRC's defeat. The woman who asked the question (already supplied to HRC) was on TV the week before the election saying that she had been duped and played for a fool. The question was quite predictable, but it was the 2nd time Donna had provided a question, so it played into the image that HRC was dishonest, and that image had already been polished by Comey. Whether or not I'm right, the DNC needs to clean house and be whisker clean in the 2018 election and Democrats need to offer real change.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:52 PM

Lump

Whats good for the goose..

Ya know Mr. Red, lump could stick.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:30 PM

Gilly plan on going to alaska with me this summer. We can steal my kids truck and camper and slaughter the salmon

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:16 PM

Nixon was just a common criminal.

Trump is a 24 karat piece of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:05 PM

I like your plan, Dan and I'm going to steal it, "Fish your way through a Trump Life crisis."

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:56 PM

they joked about Nixon "would you buy a used car from this man"

I was serious about Obama when he was angry with Trump "even when he is angry I would buy a used car from this man"

And as for the Lump. "I wouldn't buy a used company from the guy". Even for free!

God bless America.
God, GOD! Where the £$"^*?! are you?

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 11:30 AM

Guantanamo still exists - the power of a President demonstrated for all to see.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:12 AM

You should have stood, Dan! I did nominate you :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:06 AM

There are lessonsin eevery action in life. Maybe we need a lying piece of shit to show the nation why it's important to elect integrity and leadership in the future. I only hope his staff takes away the launch codes like his twitter account

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:02 AM

Declared 100 day intentions by Trump
Deport illegal Mexicans and build the wall
Abolish Obama's health reforms.
Renege on any previous agreements on climate change
Little wonder that decent Americans right across the country - New York, Washington - San Francisco - have taken to the streets claiming he does not speak for them them
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 09:50 AM

I am going to try and get through the next four years without watching him even once. Ignore the pain until it goes away. Focus on grandbabies and fish. They I understand not the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Airymouse
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:17 PM

You're right: all we know for sure is that if had not nominated Sanders we would have ended up with Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:00 PM

had the Democrats nominated Senator Sanders we would have had a Democratic president

Absolute Fantasy. But keep on keepin' on - that way we'll end up with more Trumps.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Airymouse
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:16 PM

Trump supporters had every right to be angry and frightened. After the financial crisis hardly any of the crooks that caused it went to jail and the ones that were just stupid wound up bailing out with hundreds of millions of dollars as a reward for their incompetence. But people in the middle class lost their houses, their homes, their life savings and their jobs. So they said enough is is enough. This election I'm not going to vote for anyone from the establishment. Both the Republican party and the Democratic party tried to nominate a tried-and true(?) old guard established politician. Unfortunately for our country and the world, only one party succeeded.
I voted for HRC, but it's important to understand why others did not.
Other posters have already noted that had the Democrats nominated Senator Sanders we would have had a Democratic president (and I think we would also have had control of the senate.) Alas, Democrats took a tremendous gamble and lost.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:31 PM

The central conclusion to be drawn is that Trump is a piece of gabage and those that support him are not much better.

Cest fini.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:11 PM

The pendulum of history keeps swinging. When the clock is off balance, the pendulum swings too far in first one direction and then in the other..

I think that the people who oppose President Obama must feel even more strongly than the events of these eight years had shown. They perceive the pendulum as having swung too far and they are correcting it.

And it could scarcely be more opposed:

Where Obama is cerebral and intellectual, Trump lives in the moment and is incurious about the rest.
Obama has class, Trump is crass.
Obama is diplomatic, Trump is reactive.
Obama is faithful, Trump promiscuous.
Obama has two children by one wife; Trump has five children from three wives.
Obama values women, Trump thinks they are on earth for men's titilation.

There are many more conclusions that could be drawn

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:06 PM

C'mon Dan, embrace that piece of human excrement that will adorn the White House - he said he's gonna represent all of us.

Don't tell me you don't believe him - just because he can't open his mouth without telling lies out of both sides of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:01 PM

I have never been ashamed to be an American. Until this election

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:41 PM

When any media frenzy starts to affect the lives of millions of people we have a choice. Either let it carry on until we end up with the type of circus portrayed in Science Fiction or we say enough is enough. I had enough years ago and stopped buying newspapers and watching anything but news in brief. I prefer to form my own opinions of world events and in this age of free information it is really simple to see and analyse all sides of an argument. Many people, particularly of the 'old school', either do not or cannot seem to do this. Fine, they have had their day and cannot evolve. It is not their fault. Fortunately my children and grandchildren will see them slip into history as the dinosaurs before them did and their bigotted viewpoints will die with them. I hope!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:35 PM

The most biased by far was the New York Times

You really are a freakin idiot, Ake. Give it a rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:32 PM

I read most of the media throughout the election, it was almost exclusively anti "Donal John" as they say in Lewis(his mother's place of birth)

The most biased by far was the New York Times, a publication which has been described by members as "even handed"

Who gets to decide which areas of the media are moderated? Not Dave I hope!

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:18 PM

I think one potential solution is to keep the media in check. It seems to me that rather than reporting the news, they are now making it. People are seeing politics as a big reality show and not realising that the odds are peoples lives and world economies. Fox news and The Sun have become the opium of the masses in place of religion and it has not made things any better.

Just my 2p but if you look at the number of dubious sound bites posted as facts by people on here you will see the effect that the media has had on them. I know we need free speech and freedom of the press but when their freedoms damage the lives of real people it is time to take a step back.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:08 PM

The media didn't know because the polls didn't know.

Plenty of voters were too ashamed to admit they were going to vote for Donald J Lump. The media, on Tuesday, were saying that was the Democrat's fear. The polls were wrong because they asked the wrong questions. The media were wrong because they believed the polls.

How you ask a person if he is voting for a cretin is obvious. How you get them to tell you: the man is a cretin and they are still going to vote for one - well would you?

We in the UK warned you. Cameroon got in against the odds. Brexit went the same way. For the same reason. Austria nearly got a neo-Nazi and are gunning for a re-run of that election.

My guess is that the pollsters know the problem, think they had the solution, and patently don't.

Anyone got any possible solutions to tell the pollsters? I don't!

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Peter the Squeezer
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 02:05 PM

From Skarpi - "... what will happen in the near future , will he be shot ..."

I remember some graffiti from the days of Ronald Reagan's time as president - "Lee Harvey Oswald - your country needs you now"

Seriously - the repercussions from an assassination would be worse than having to put up with the outcome of the election.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 12:28 PM

I can only hope Bernie could have fired up America.

the USA as a whole will strive to be a free democracy. Trump hate is not all of who we are, it is the stabbing pain in what we have lost in jobs and homes, wars and fortune to the very rich.

Skarpi, your free speech is dangerous in America.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: skarpi
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 09:55 AM

9/11 again .......what a disaster for the world , a man who have only have half of his brain ...is going to the white house , I feel sorry for you american s ,as I am 1/4 my self I am a shame of it , neither Trump nor Clinton should be a President , the only man who was good enough was Bernie Sanders ...so it will be interesting to see , what will happen in the near future , will he be shot , or will the military and CIA shut up ...that man is a Bad News ...

God help this world

This is just my view ...

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:20 AM

trump supreme court trump house trump senate trump military

a government shut down this December will be different this time.
it will be a punishing, decimating siege starvation of government workers.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:18 AM

We have always been told the world would end when the Last Trump sounded. Well, hold on to your hats chaps...

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: JHW
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:02 AM

I warned you. Just wait for new sign. TRUMP WHITE HOUSE.

Subject: RE: BS: A Trump in a circus
From: JHW
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:57 AM

off she went with a trumpety trump, trump trump trump

Subject: BS: A Trump in a circus
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:37 AM

Trump is a UK slang word for fart. So the presedential election was a fart in a circus

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:34 AM

Well they say bad things happen in threes. We've had brexit, we've had Trump. I dread to think what the third thing will be.

Perhaps General Zod will return and take over the world.




No, hang on....that would be an improvement...

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 04:01 AM

I will say here the same as I said of the Brexit vote. I do not believe it is a good decision but it will be nowhere near as bad as the detractors would have us believe. There will be some bad results but there will be some positive things come out of it. Hopefully, like the Brexit vote, it is a shake up of the complacency of establishment politicians. Whether that shake up will be a step too far remains to be seen but we can only hope for the best.

Once more, with feeling.

Good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 03:06 AM

Commiserations. Just try to keep him under control on the world stage and maybe he will not start a war in the next 4 years.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 02:18 AM

Well you could emigrate, TIA.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: TIA
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 02:02 AM

I am ashamed to learn that there are so fucking many hateful racist shitbags in USA. Knew there were some, but so many!?!? Really?

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 01:24 AM

I started this thread back in February, to which the responses were almost unanimous that the resukt could never happen. Whatr went wrong. Are human beings no longer capable of common sense?



Subject: BS: Trump
From: SPB-Cooperator - PM
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:09 PM

A challenge to all American folkies.....

In light of one of your presidential candidates calling for increased and more intensive use of torture, why do you think as a country you have any right to participation on the world stage, and do you think you should be subjected to worldwide sanctions?

ps I know there are a lot of decent people in US, including several personal friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 01:05 AM

I'm in Arizona tonight. It looks like Sheriff Joe is losing, after 24 notorious years in office. That's one good result of this election.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 08:06 PM

I was in line for about 15 minutes. Here in a dying mill town in Rhode Island, in a part of town with small house lots, condos, tenement houses, and apartment complexes, we voted in a furniture store. My wait in line would have been shorter if I'd been in the M-Z line instead of with the A-Ls. It would have been even shorter if the state was equipped with electronic ID scanners. Our poll workers often have trouble with alphabetical order beyond the first letter of last names as they search through their books of registered voters. The only campaign workers were on the proper side of the sign indicating their boundary, and they represented two candidates running for town council in our ward. None of the voters seemed to have any problems, but the only people I saw seemed to be like me--white without accents that I heard or garb that indicated they were anything other than Christian. We've got a lot of minorities in this town. I hope they voted at other times or polling places.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 06:51 PM

Charmion, anyone in recognizable party or candidate regalia is supposed to be turned away from U.S. polls also. No selfies with your ballot (here in Texas), and lots of other rules to maintain civility. I didn't put a Hillary yard sign up this year because of the risk of Trump supporters vandalizing (they did some damage in town earlier this year). I did see one this morning - more power to them!

I have a canvas bag from the Hillary campaign that I have my dance class gear in. I can't even carry anything like that at work (students can wear campaign stuff, apparently, but for faculty and staff it is verboten). I suppose now that the election is over that bag can come out of hiding.   

One hour and ten minutes until local coverage of election results here.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 05:39 PM

On a hopefully lighter note, a pundit on telly tonight has just said that "tomorrow will be an historic day." well I've just checked every history book written by living historians in the last thirty years on the shelves of a reputable bookshop and I can't find anything in them about tomorrow at all!

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 05:15 PM

It took me longer to decide I didn't want the cream cheese & olive sandwich because the crusts had been cut off and find some cookies than it did to vote. Five minutes, maybe. Small towns are great.

Of course, it seems Trump was whining because some people got to vote after the polling station was supposed to be closed. The problem was that they were late getting in. I think the judge wasn't having it. Too bad-registered voters got to vote. I hear they were mostly Hispanics.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: ranger1
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 03:01 PM

I went at 8:45 AM local time. In and out in ten minutes, may have taken me longer to find a parking space. Glad I went early, I hear it was taking about an hour from 10 AM on. And now I wait, fingers crossed for "business as usual" as opposed to "possible Armageddon".

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 02:55 PM

I live 'near' Donuel, but vote at a different school. They said that there were LONG lines at 7:00 AM, but there was almost no line at 2PM... they expect longer lines again later. Early voting combined with liberal Maryland has kept things fairly low key. In 2012, I waited in a pretty long line even at mid-day... but there was no early vote then, except for mail.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 02:01 PM

"Whatever happens, and I believe Clinton will win, Trump has exposed the seedy underbelly of the US, and the racists, insane haters, easily fooled, and those who desire a dictator, have crawled out of the woodwork and into the light."

And those people are allowed to possess guns.......

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 01:57 PM

In the light of those posts I'm amazed voting numbers aren't a lot lower in the States. 40 minutes - I'd expect to spend maybe three minutes.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 12:36 PM

Joe Arpaio running for re-election

LOCK HIM UP!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 12:29 PM

And good luck, Arizona, the state with Joe Arpaio running for re-election as county sheriff....words fail me.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 12:00 PM

This is worrying:

Chicago's chances in a zombie apocalypse

The Trumpocalypse has been going on for a lot more than two months.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Stu
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 11:56 AM

I have the good fortune to have several American friends and have met many more, a wonderful people. Good luck!