BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)

Subject: BS: Theresa May - Brexit
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jan 17 - 03:59 AM

By now UK members will have had a chance to discuss the PM's message from Tuesday. I posted a parody yesterday, but due to a poor choice of thread title nobody's commented.
Parody: The Original Article 50

Cheers
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jan 17 - 04:11 AM

It was a racist diatribe then Nige, that's still how it reads now, perhaps that's why you got no takers.
Perhaps you intended it as satire, I apologise if you did, but it's a bit too near the truth for my taste, sort of what happened to Alf Garnett when he fell into the wrong hands.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jan 17 - 04:22 AM

"Racist diatribe".
That's the standard, play the racist card for anything you don't like.
There are mentions of many nationalities there, but no 'Race'.
If you believe that any one of the nationalities mentioned there have specific traits that would enable them to be treated as a 'race' then you are guilty of the very racism that you accuse everyone else of.

I still remember your comment about collecting tins in Yorkshire.

It seems you may be more bigoted than you believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jan 17 - 04:28 AM

"but no 'Race".
A bit nit-picking Nigel.
I've always considered attacks on other nationalities a form of racism, when done by politicians, as with Brexit, opportunist racism.
Happy to stick with Xenophobic, if it makes you more comfortable!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: ollaimh
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 01:57 AM

calling the french frogs is racist. race doesn't exist but racism does as do crazy race theorists like nigel who thinks he can y=use racist epithets because there are no races.   that's twisted bigotry of a very special sort. its called anglo racism. anglo racists think they have good reasons for their bogotry unlike the bad people. ALL RACISTS THINK THEY HAVE GOOD REASONS FOR THEIR RACISM, that's what makes them racists.ALL RACISTS THINK SPLITTING HAIRS MAKES OPEN BIGOTRY AND DISCRIMINATION OK, that's why they are racists. anglo racists do make a speciality of hair splitting and rationalizations, but its still racism. i think europe will be glad to see the back of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 02:15 AM

Now double-trolling. Everybody please ignore this thread - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 03:11 AM

I know BWM but the irony of someone who is spectacularly racist against the English going on about how racist the English are did tickle me :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 03:25 AM

Me too, Dave - a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black!
But I'm convinced old Olive is too bloody thick to get the joke!

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 06:04 AM

she a waste of space.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 07:22 AM

She's the spawn of The Beast of Grantham. 'Nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 08:24 AM

"She's the spawn of The Beast of Grantham. 'Nuff said."
Thought that was Thatcher
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 08:29 AM

Thatcher = The Beast of Grantham.
May = spawn of The Beast of Grantham.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 08:54 AM

Gotcha
Wasn't concentrating
There's a wonderful cartoon in this morning's Times (usually reserved for Corbyn-knocking) entitled "Trumpspotting - Hooked on the Donald" parodying the remake if Trainspotting - wonderful caricatures of Mat, Johnson, Davis, Fraagre (and one I don't recognise) under the caption "Such a bunch of crawlers - Sooooo Sad"
Very un-Murdoch-like
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 09:52 AM

Cartoon is Here scroll down.

This link might only work today as it is to the current 'front page'

Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 12:20 PM

Thanks Nigel - worth sharing, I thought
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 12:24 PM

Yes, see the cartoon. Don't know the politicos but recognize the Trainspotting characters all right.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 01:15 PM

"We will get our people off welfare and back to work. We will follow two simple rules, buy American and hire American"

Sounds like the US-UK trade deal is going to be interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 03:19 AM

A little surprised there were no responses to my last post. I expected Ake and T and others would tell us how that shows there will be a good trade deal for the UK with the US.

My feeling is that the UK will be as near to the head of the negotiating queue as the US can manage, but primarily because the UK Brexiters will be desperate to get a non-EU trade agreement in place to prove it can be done. Entering a negotiation when you are desperate for an agreement is about the weakest position you can be in, and against an "America First" stance with strong negotiators - which Trump definitely is - does not bode well. If this takes place when the UK has a few agreements in hand, it would not be so weak. So, as I say, I predict it will be early.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: ollaimh
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 03:38 AM

its the anglo racist way to say disgusting things then when identified for what they are to accuse the others of racism. because we all know the terrible persecution white anglo men suffer and have suffered historically, very donald trump, call french frogs then accuse others of racism. you don't need more than that to see what scum nigel parsons is. it's in fact the hitler doctrine. accuse your critics of what you actually do.   anglo culture is racist to its core.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 05:11 AM

It's the racist way to demonise a whole race because of the actions of a few.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 05:46 AM

Just to say that the remark above about collecting tins in Yorkshire relates to a context deliberately ripped away by Nigel. It's typical light-hearted Lancashire Lad vs tyke bit of banter and "refusing" to see it that way is both disingenuous and po-faced. As a Lancashire lad (tho' one with good mates, including my sister, in Yorkshire) I offer you this owd chestnut and challenge to call me racist (though I don't mind if Raggytash adds his embellishment):

Q. How does a Yorkshireman make an omelette?

A. First he nicks three eggs...

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 05:56 AM

Hear all, see all, say nowt.
Eat all, sup all, pay nowt.

And if tha does owt for nowt, do it fur thysen.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 10:24 AM

Bejasus Steve, I'm all Oirish now.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 12:11 PM

All Oirish? By sheer coincidence, being pissed off over being dragged out of the EU by 18 million suckers who mistakenly think they know what democracy is, this morning I looked into becoming an Irish citizen on account of my come-froms and found that I can as long as I stump up £278. My mum can do it for nowt as her mum, my gran, was born in Athlone. £278 up front and I can stop being a plastic Paddy!

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 02:03 PM

Steve does it make you feel better insulting the majority that voted for brexit? For such a sensitive soul as you this behaviour surprises me.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 03:02 PM

I'm not insulting them. I'm pitying them in advance of their gradually realising what a bloody catastrophe they were hoodwinked into bringing down on all our heads. By the way, that "majority" was 38% of those eligible to vote. Nighty night.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Stu
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 03:22 PM

Poor brexieetrs. Look today. We''re here and we're holding you accountable. Because you won the vote doesn't mean you speak for us. You have to include us, and we have a different opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 07:18 PM

And, once we're done with this ludicrous bout of the most impotent prime minister we've ever had threatening the EU, with the other 27 laughing at us and threatening us back, there'll be a damn sight more of us in any case.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 01:17 AM

Impotent and incompetent.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 08:19 AM

Now she has been extremely dishonest about a failed test-firing of a Trident missile, failing to admit to this just before a Commons vote on renewing Trident. If you get a chance, listen to her evasions when questioned by Andrew Marr this morning. The relevant part of the interview in on the BBC news website. She knew about it all right but clearly decided to withhold disclosure of the incident from MPs. This really ought to come back to bite her on the arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 11:59 AM

Just watched the highlights. If I had seen the whole thing the computer may have gone through the window. Ridiculous that the woman would not answer and made even more so by trying to shift the emphasis onto Jeremy Corbyn voting against Trident. Reminded me of some on here for some reason...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 12:25 PM

The only surprise for me is that anyone is surprised.
As I said earlier - The Spawn of The Beast of Grantham.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: meself
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 08:36 PM

I don't know anything about Theresa May - but on TV I just heard her saying, with a straight face and an oh-so-earnest voice: "President Trump supports NATO" ... !!

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 04:59 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 05:46 AM

Just to say that the remark above about collecting tins in Yorkshire relates to a context deliberately ripped away by Nigel. It's typical light-hearted Lancashire Lad vs tyke bit of banter and "refusing" to see it that way is both disingenuous and po-faced. As a Lancashire lad (tho' one with good mates, including my sister, in Yorkshire) I offer you this owd chestnut and challenge to call me racist (though I don't mind if Raggytash adds his embellishment):

Let me understand this. Stereotyping the Jews, or the Scots as careful with their money would be racist. Characterising the people of Yorkshire in the same way is just 'banter'.
No, sorry, I fail to see the distinction.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:11 AM

Are you from either Lancashire or Yorkshire, Nigel? If not, yes you would fail to see it.


DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:22 AM

Actually, no, what I just said is probably not true. Even if you are from outer Mongolia how can you fail to see the difference between friendly rivalry between counties and the demonisation of a race of people because of their religion?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:40 AM

Nice contrast between Lancashire an' Yorkshire.

-On Owdham Edge, th' grass is green,
Th' nicest view 'at e're tha's seen;                           
Tha stonds on t'top, an' tha looks abeawt,                  
Nowt but mills, wi' their chimbley spews.   
            
Straight up front, there's Crompton, Shaw,
Derker, Delph, Springhead an' aw,
Neaw we're touchin' Yorkshire's line,
Aw can't see owt past theer—but grime.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:54 AM

What planet do you live on Nige?
Lancashire Yorkshire "banter" has been a fact of British life since the Wars of the Roses - a centuries old joke
Worth a bit of point-scoring though, it would appear
Lancastrian Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 06:04 AM

What's the difference between Lancashire and Yorkshire?

One is full of hills and moors...

(Not saying which)

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 10:18 AM

A young lad from Yorkshire starts school and his dad gives him two quid for the bus home. Instead of getting on the bus the lad runs behind it all the way home. Dad comes home from the pub and the lad says "Dad, I saved you two quid today because I ran behind t'bus instead of gettin' on!" But dad gives the lad a thick ear and shouted at him "Yer daft little bugger, you should have run behind a taxi and saved me twenty quid!"

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 11:47 AM

I live next door to Yorkshireman, he's alright but his humour is terrible.....much different to the highland humour which is full of irony....whimsical.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 11:49 AM

Sorry I was going to say Yorkshire humour is like 50's music hall stuff.....as far as I can gather.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 12:57 PM

Nah - Dry humour at its best. And that comes from a Lancastrian! My mate Joe from Sheffield once remarked on how miserable some place he visited was. "Like Arbroath without the smokies" was the turn of phrase.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 02:31 PM

Hi Steve


<" ..........Yer daft little bugger, you should have run behind a taxi and saved me twenty quid!">

Oh Steve Steve Steve this "joke" is older YOU.....LOl

Cheer

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:02 PM

You get a lot of recycled material on this website, Mike!

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 06:29 PM

Iains -
the country in which I live had a majority vote to remain in the EU- yet it appears that despite being an equal partner in the UK our wishes are being totally ignored!
(and being as how it was our king what joined the two kingdoms in the first place that does seem unjust/illegal - even to a republican!)

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 02:13 AM

Correction Gallus Moll the part of the country in which you live voted to remain in the EU, other parts of the country voted in a similar fashion. Only trouble is the rest of the country (52% of the electorate who managed to get out and vote) voted to leave. It is a mighty strange democracy that requires the elected government to go to the lengths of holding a referendum then ignore the result. The country in which you live as far as the EU is concerned and as far as any treaty and agreement goes is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and it has been so since 1707 - it was not joined by a Scottish King but by separate agreements of both Parliaments.

Like your strange view on equal partners whereby 5 million have the right to dictate to 60 million.

Straightforward fact for you Gallus Moll - at the moment, put in SNP terms, the vast bulk of Scotland's economy, production and commerce relies on trade with the EU purely by dint of the straightforward fact that 80% of Scotland's trade and commerce is with ENGLAND. Economically for Scotland the Union with England is four times more important and vital to Scotland than any link to the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 03:46 AM

Your Empire jingoism is showing again Teribus - because two nations trade doesn't mean one should rule that other.
Whatever way a people vote - for whatever reason they choose - it never changes what they are - as with Ireland, you can't vote yourself another heritage, history and culture - you are what you are.
One of the positive legacies of Brexit could well be the end of the U.K.
I doubt if a Scottish referendum would produce the same result after this present fiasco
I seem to remember one of the main arguments for opposing giving the colonies independence was "They can't manage without us".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 03:59 AM

Teribus, if you're going to correct someone, check first: The country in which you live as far as the EU is concerned and as far as any treaty and agreement goes is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and it has been so since 1707
For treaty purposes, the country is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 04:09 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 03:46 AM

Your Empire jingoism is showing again Teribus - because two nations trade doesn't mean one should rule that other.

BRAVO!
So Scotland doesn't need to be part of the UK just to trade with the UK.

Similarly, The UK doesn't need to be part of Europe to trade with Europe.

"Own goal" methinks.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 04:30 AM

Jumped in again Carroll and managed to land up with both feet firmly stuck in your mouth.

Empire has got nothing to do with it. I know dealing with historical and actual fact poses great problems for you but the country internationally recognised under the name of the United Kingdom of Great Britain preceded the advent of what was to become known as the British Empire.

Westminster still remains the Sovereign Parliament governing the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland - in effect and in fact it does rule the whole which is why members of Parliament are still sent and still sit in that House from Northern Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales - Nothing to do with jingoism merely stating fact.

"One of the positive legacies of Brexit could well be the end of the U.K." - Simply your opinion but I very much doubt that that will happen. Much as though you as an Anglophobe would wish to see the break up of the UK if that did happen as a result of Brexit then it would be at least ten years before an independent Scotland would be back in the fold of the EU ( Assent of all other 27 members permitting) and in that interim Scotland would have cut itself off the country's best customer.

"I seem to remember one of the main arguments for opposing giving the colonies independence was "They can't manage without us"."

As usual with your "historical" remembrances you are mistaken.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 05:36 AM

" It is a mighty strange democracy that requires the elected government to go to the lengths of holding a referendum then ignore the result."

Well as we're in-let's-all-get-corrected-by-Teribus mode let's take a little look at this. No elected government is ever "required to go to the lengths of holding a referendum" about anything in this country. Whether to hold a referendum or not is entirely the choice of the government. In this case that Toryboy moron Cameron felt pressured into calling one because he was scared that the even bigger moron Farage might nick some of his seats. Farage, the man who has tried and failed seven times to be elected as an MP, so how strange that you should be dredging up your usual burble about "democracy" in this context. As for the result, a vote to leave by 38% of those entitled to vote, the government was not obliged to be led by it except by purely political exigency. Suppose those Southern Rail drivers hold a ballot and 38% of those eligible to vote voted to strike. You'd be screaming from the rooftops threatening polemics about "undemocratic unions" and dredging up memories of Red Robbo, wouldn't you?

Interesting that that paragon of democracy, Theresa May, chose to withhold important adverse information about Trident just before a vote in the Commons to renew it and that she tried to bludgeon through Article 50 without a proper Commons debate. Well done for once, judges. C'mon, Teribus. It's a May thread. Let's hear a good rant from you about HER democratic deficit.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 05:39 AM

"Jumped in again Carroll and managed to land up with both feet firmly stuck in your mouth."
Inferiority complex kicking in again, I see (I don't really believe it's a complex - people who behave like you are just inferior)
Britain has never been able to strike up a relaytionship with its holdings unless they dominated and exploited them - they destroyed cultures and languages in order to do so.
That's a thing of the sordid past now - no reason why we can't have friendly relations with the rest of the UK without dominating them and imposing disastrous decisions like Brexit on them
"Own goal" my arse
Britain is working to get the rights that membership of teh EU gave it - it almost certainly won't get them and it certainly will close off Europe to British people seeking work - that 's the disaster facing the lesser well off in Britain Nige
As Britain has no industries, it's not a question of British independence but of who we will now be dependent on - no doubt thirsd world countries operating oppressive working practices, eventually leading to Arab Springs all over the Third World
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 06:06 AM

Thanks for the correction Nigel internationally and for treaty purposes the full title of the country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It became so in 1922. If Gallus Moll lives in Scotland then the part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland that she lives in is Great Britain. As sovereign states both England and Scotland, while retaining their declared state religions and separate codes of law ceased to be independent states when they became one single state, the United Kingdom of Great Britain, in 1707.

"Theresa May, chose to withhold important adverse information about Trident just before a vote in the Commons to renew it"

There has been no Commons vote to renew Trident - the vote in the Commons IIRC was all about a decision to build four new Submarines in order that we can continue having our current nuclear deterrent capability until 2040 - it had nothing whatsoever to do with a new missile system.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 06:18 AM

Nope, the Commons vote in July was to back the renewal of Trident. Just google it. It's all over the internet in those very words. I didn't say anything about a new missile system. "Renewing" in this context doesn't necessarily mean scrapping and starting afresh. You're just nitpicking. You're a desperate man these days.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 07:25 AM

THIS IS PROBABLY WRONG AS IT'S FROM THE GUARDIAN!! and dares contradict our in-house expert's claim
What is happening to our free press??
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 09:34 AM

Oh dear, dear, me JOM you and the links you provide!!

First two paragraphs:

"Theresa May has said she would be willing to authorise a nuclear strike that could kill 100,000 people, as the House of Commons voted overwhelming to replace Britain's Trident programme.

The prime minister confirmed she would be prepared to press the nuclear button if necessary as she opened a debate about whether the UK should spend up to £40bn REPLACING FOUR SUBMARINES that carry nuclear warheads.

So despite the flights of fancy of the Guinard Journo's Jom what did they say the debate was about? Now go back and see what I said the debate was about and then guess what? We both say the same thing. Classic left-wing froth and misrepresentation of what was actually being discussed in Parliament - much easier to get the "Pavlovian" response from the left-wing faithful by mentioning Trident than it is to get people all worked up about building four submarines (With all those jobs, particularly those in high end technological areas spread over a good number of years) - INNIT?

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 12:03 PM

"Oh dear, dear, me JOM you and the links you provide!!"
And what smokscreen you put up to dodge the fact that once again you find yourself totally at odds with reality - and doesn't your arrogantly pathetic attempt to talk down to people show it!
You said "There has been no Commons vote to renew Trident "
Here has and you were idiotically wrong again
"The British parliament have voted to renew the Trident weapons system, replacing the Vanguard class submarines that carry the UK's nuclear missiles."
U.K. DEFENCE
Feckin' eejit - GFY
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 12:13 PM

Or the Telegraph's
"MPs vote to renew Trident:"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/18/trident-vote-jeremy-corbyn-facing-labour-mutiny-as-mps-set-to-ba/
Or the Beeb's
"MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system"
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36830923
Or Nuclear News's
"MPs vote to renew Trident weapons system"
Or your Nemisis's
MPs back renewal of Trident nuclear deterrent
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-defence-idUKKCN0ZX0ZM

Being clever-clever only makes you look t'ick
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 12:24 PM

I told him it was all over the internet in those very words. And fancy making such a song and dance about this anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 01:13 PM

"And fancy making such a song and dance about this anyway."
You learn to play with the toys god gives you - don't mock the afflicted, he's doing his best!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 02:46 AM

Jom, Shaw, just because newspaper reporters get things wrong en-masse does not make what they write the truth no matter how many times they write it. I know that you do not recognise this fact of life as you Carroll employ this tactic on just about every thread you contribute to.

The debate in parliament was about allocating £40 billion to build four submarines to replace our four Vanguard-Class SSBNs that carry our existing Trident II D-5 ballistic missiles.

Please tell us all if the vote was about renewing Trident what is going to be "renewed" - Trident D-5 is currently scheduled to remain in service until 2042.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 03:22 AM

"Jom, Shaw, just because newspaper reporters get things wrong en-masse does not make what they write the truth no matter how many times they write it."
So there you have it - scrap the newsagencies and come to you instead
Anybody who describes providing evidence as "a tactic" and permanently gets things wrong needs to have a condition named after them - 'The Teribus Syndrome" maybe.
You really are insane, aren't you - and you own a gun..... oh dear!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 04:18 AM

Serious question for Teribus - Is the trident missile any use without the submarines to fire it from? If not, what is the point of keeping the missile and scrapping the submarine?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 06:38 AM

You may as well argue that "gay" should only ever mean "merry." Whether you like it or not, "Trident renewal" is the common linguistic currency now and isn't going away. It may represent inaccurate shorthand to you, but shorthand it is and it conveys clearly enough that we are going to continue to have Trident and that some aspects of the system for delivering it are being renewed (otherwise it wouldn't be costing all those billions). Nowt wrong with that understanding of it, is there? Trouble with you, Teribus, is that you see one of our names at the top of the post and you immediately go into auto-find-summat-wrong-at-all-costs mode. Too bad. Question your own sanity. I question mine every time I'm tempted to respond to you. It's like pissing into a strong wind. It all blows back in my face but, somehow, it never smells like mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 07:42 AM

Then don't do it, Steve! No matter how correct you are, you won't - can't - win.
It's called 'feeding the troll'...you, Jim and Dave are better than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 08:40 AM

I think everyone has a valid contribution at times, BWM. There are however occasions on which valid points are lost in invective and the winning at all costs mindset. Still, if we were all the same it would be a very boring forum :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 08:54 AM

Backwoodsaman is right (again) of course.
We fall for it every time.
Someone who dismiisses the entire press reports (including that of the Nuclear Science Press) and offers his own opinions, is certainly deserving of attention, but not from those without medical qualifications.
This is a tactic - he makes an outlandishly stupid statement and we move away from the subject in hand to argue with him - making us as doo-lally as he is.
Theresa May's latest message is that neither the public nor Parliament are entitled to the truth when it comes to spending Britain's taxes on nuclear weapons.
She not only covered up a serious accident in order to get her 'Trident Weapon System' through Parliament, but she lied about it, claiming the test was a "success".
That is what we should be discussing - and not necessarily with demented Trolls like Teribus
Leave him to impressing his mates dahn the pub at closing time - that seems to e the level he operates at
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 09:08 AM

The Submarines are being built because the Vanguard-Class are coming to the end of their design life - they have now been in service for 30 years and by the time the new Dreadnought-Class are in service they will have been operational for more than 40 years.

"Whether you like it or not, "Trident renewal" is the common linguistic currency now and isn't going away. It may represent inaccurate shorthand to you, but shorthand it is and it conveys clearly enough that we are going to continue to have Trident and that some aspects of the system for delivering it are being renewed (otherwise it wouldn't be costing all those billions). Nowt wrong with that understanding of it, is there?"

1: It is a misrepresentation.

2: It is inaccurate

3: It is misleading as it suggests to the pig ignorant that we are investing in a completely new weapons system to replace Trident

All depends I suppose on what you expect from a responsible press and MSM - I'd rather have them objective and factually accurate, with you it would appear that anything goes no matter how slapdash and untrue.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 10:15 AM

"Trouble with you, Teribus, is that you see one of our names at the top of the post and you immediately go into auto-find-summat-wrong-at-all-costs mode." - Steve Shaw

Naw Shaw not the case at all - I see one of the "usual suspects" names at the top of a post and I know it will contain the usual lies, half-truths, myths and misrepresentations - your ideology dictates that you cannot help yourselves - I don't have to look for anything, easier than shooting fish in a barrel.

"This is a tactic - he makes an outlandishly stupid statement and we move away from the subject in hand to argue with him - making us as doo-lally as he is.

Theresa May's latest message is that neither the public nor Parliament are entitled to the truth when it comes to spending Britain's taxes on nuclear weapons.

She not only covered up a serious accident in order to get her 'Trident Weapon System' through Parliament, but she lied about it, claiming the test was a "success". - Jim Carroll

Number of points JOM

1: My supposedly "outlandishly stupid statement" was 100% true and factually correct - check Hansard not the newspapers.

2: Theresa May's message? Try every single Prime Minister since the UK has had nuclear weapons in it's inventory.

3: What serious ACCIDENT has been covered up.

4: Any idea what was being tested JOM? YOU have not got the foggiest notion, so like most of your outrageous pronouncements on subjects about which you know nothing, your comments are baseless. But I'll give you a hint it wasn't the missile that was being tested.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 11:06 AM

Many of you may have noticed a tactic used by one frequent poster on this site to use semantics about the use of words, commonly understood by the majority, to defer argument away from the actual topic.

It would seem we now have another poster using the same tactic.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 12:13 PM

You are being utterly ridiculous, Teribus. If this is the best you can when it comes to finding something automatically wrong with one of the usual suspects then what you need in return is patronising indulgence with a dash of undeserved sympathy, not an argument. You're missing Keithie, aren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 01:09 PM

So, is the trident missile any use without the submarines to fire it from? If not, what is the point of keeping the missile and scrapping the submarine?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 01:20 PM

Could it be that like Edward Heath she is a reptile.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 01:40 PM

What do you mean, "could it be"? 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 02:12 PM

DtG - grab a dictionary and look up what replace means.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 04:39 PM

I know what replace means, Teribus, but thanks for answering whatever question you thought I was asking. I just don't understand the difference between replacing Trident and replacing the means to launch them, IE the submarines. If one is no good without the other, how could one be discussed without the other? That is what I was getting at. I don't understand the point you were trying to make but after seeing the interview that Steve mentioned it is blatantly obvious that May is trying to hide something.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 04:43 PM

Maybe I am not being clear enough. If they were discussing replacing the submarines, and the missiles are no good without the submarines, then logic dictates that they are considering keeping the missiles. Or would they keep the missiles for some other reason? You are not clear on that point and I do not understand why you are saying that the missiles have nothing to do with the Trident renewal.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 06:21 PM

Try it from considering that the factual start point is that Trident is not being renewed, it is being retained and what the press has called "Trident renewal" is in fact a debate and a motion passed in Parliament to replace the four existing Vanguard-Class submarines that are coming to the end of their operational life with four new Dreadnought-Class of submarine to carry the Trident nuclear deterrent.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 06:34 PM

You do realise how insane you sound rattling on about this, do you, Teribus?

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: kendall
Date: 25 Jan 17 - 07:38 PM

This is one of the reasons I seldom come here anymore. Mis information is not information at all. I already know how to piss and moan, so, don't need any more lessons.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 01:45 AM

Unfortunately Shaw I am not the one rattling on asking questions, the answers to which are obvious to anyone who can read, that illustrate just how wrong the media have it with their "Trident renewal fable" - Now just what bit of the following do you not understand??

"she opened a debate about whether the UK should spend up to £40bn REPLACING FOUR SUBMARINES that carry nuclear warheads."

Poor journalism in the form of misleading and inaccurate stories results in a massive disservice to the general public.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 04:10 AM

Thanks Teribus and that is precisely the point I cannot get my head around. Yes, I fully understand that the missile and the submarine are two different things and it is the submarine that is up for renewal. But if they do not renew the submarine then surely the missile is useless. Yes? If I am right on that then, even though it is the submarine they are discussing it does have a direct bearing on the missile. A vote to renew the submarine is a vote to keep the missile. A vote not to renew the submarine is a vote to stop using the missile.

Have I got that right?

If so, then surely the fault that the missile apparently developed during the test in question should have been brought to attention of parliament before the vote. If the reliability of the missile is in doubt, then the future of the missile should be reviewed. If the future of the missile is in doubt, then the future of the submarine is too. They are inexorably linked.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 04:15 AM

You are as made as a hatter Teribus -
The debate was about renewing the Trident system
It was reported world wide as renewing the Trident system
No minister or official spokesman has ever contradicted the way it was reported
Your meglomanic claims that the Government and the press are wrong and you alone are right makes you a raving meglomanic - not for the first time.
Tu said exactly the same about teh businessman Bin Laden - the world is mad - only you are sane
Get help
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 05:42 AM

May's latest Message
Headlines in this morning's Times
May (Theresa, not Imelda) has said that "together, Britain and America can lead the world" so she has unilaterally decided to push Britain to the extreme right
I'm sure she democratically sought agreement from her cabinet first (NOT)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 07:01 AM

"The debate was about renewing the Trident system" - Jim Carroll

Wrong Jim the debate was about replacing four ageing submarines coming to the end of their operational life in order that the United Kingdom could retain it's nuclear deterrent.

I would rather hope that Government Ministers have more to do than correct ill-informed and badly written copy of the press.

"surely the fault that the missile apparently developed during the test in question should have been brought to attention of parliament before the vote." - DtG

It was not the missile that was being tested DtG, it was the submarine that had just completed an extensive refit. Lockheed-Martin are responsible for all the missiles deployed by both USN and RN in the Atlantic, no doubt they have their own methods and means of testing those missiles, at the time of the debate as to whether or not to replace the Vanguard-Class it is not known whether or not what went wrong with the missile had been identified by Lockheed-Martin.

"If the reliability of the missile is in doubt, then the future of the missile should be reviewed." - DtG

IF being the operative word there, however, the reliability of the missile is not in doubt. The Trident missile has been operational since 1979 Trident I up until 2005 and the Trident II since 2005. Since that year there have been 161 successful tests of the missile, additionally in less than 10 instances range systems that monitor and govern the tests detected anomalies that have resulted in missile self-destruct protocols being triggered as a safety measure.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 07:07 AM

More laughable by the minute.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 08:08 AM

You can call it what you want in order to establish your superiority over the rest of the world - everybody else calls it "renewing the Trident system" (even those who debated it in Parliament
Why the **** should anybody believe a twerp who recently denied O=Bin Laden wasn't a businessman, when the rest of the world knew he was
Feckin' insane
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 08:23 AM

Thanks Teribus. I still disagree about the nuclear deterrent but that makes more sense now. I guess the questions now are why would May try to hide the fact from parliament and why has nothing been said about the alleged misreporting. I suppose we may never know!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 08:44 AM

"badly written copy of the press."
Wjhich came from the entire press and included a report by Nuclear News - the mouthpiece of thousands of scientists from the Nuclear Industry.
Your dismissal of such information as "badly written" is nonsensical, especially next to the standards of your own poorly put together pronouncements
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 08:46 AM

Speaking of insane, I do hope May has experience in dealing with psychosis induced sleep deprived super ego maniacs .
Don's most vulnerable times are at 3AM at his angriest and 3PM when he is most suggestible.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 09:14 AM

"it was not the missile that was being tested DtG, it was the submarine that had completed an extensive refit" .................

"it is not known whether or not what went wrong with the missile has been identified by Lockheed Martin"

So pray tell us just what was being tested, a refitted submmarine or the missile that mis-fired.

Where they just playing about launching a missile (unarmed), Something to do on a boring day, bit quiet lads, come on lets launch a missile.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 09:49 AM

Speaking of insane, I do hope May has experience in dealing with psychosis induced sleep deprived super ego maniacs .
Don's most vulnerable times are at 3AM at his angriest and 3PM when he is most suggestible.
Shouldn't be a problem then, that's 8a.m. & 8p.m. GMT

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 10:11 AM

"So pray tell us just what was being tested, a refitted submmarine or the missile that mis-fired. "
None of us has security clearance for that information, even though we pay for it
This from the "very untrustworthy" according to our in-house expert Daily Telegraph
Jim Carroll

"US Trident failure claims contradict Michael Fallon
23 JANUARY 2017 • 10:25PM
American defence officials last night confirmed that a Trident missile test last year had been a failure, undermining UK Government claims that it had been a "success".
In a row that threatens to escalate into a diplomatic incident, unnamed US officials said that an unarmed Trident missile test off the coast of Florida had to be "diverted into the ocean to self-destruct" because of an "anomaly".
The disclosure came as Sir Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary, was appearing before MPs saying that HMS Vengeance, one of Britain's Trident nuclear submarines, had been "successfully tested and certified as ready to rejoin the operational cycle"."

When will these stupid people realise that they need too check with Teribus for factual errors and typos before they go to print.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 01:07 PM

THERESA MAY charms Donald to the bone and has cemented a lifetime relationship of loyalty and love.

On their first meeting in Philadelphia Theresa was heard to say cooingly " Oh my!, Donald, you are sooo big in person".

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 01:12 PM

She is sooo smart.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 02:10 PM

Did she comment about the size of his hands? Or that he's built bigly?

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 02:44 PM

Wonderfully reassuring to read that Jim Carroll regards the Daily Telegraph as the font of all knowledge and clearly states that he implicitly believes every word it prints.

By the way Jim was Osama bin Laden, that businessman of note as you seem to regard him (On the sketchiest and doubtful evidence - if any at all) a member of any Chamber of Commerce, or was he a Rotarian? The only "companies" identified were all exposed as fronts for channelling funds for Al-Qaeda.

Laughable Shaw? Then please point out all those "laughable errors" - My bet is that Shaw will remain silent.

To answer Raggy's questions:

1: There are 18 submarines capable of carrying and launching Trident II D-5 Missiles - As far as the Royal Navy goes HMS Vengeance is a submarine that has just undergone a major refit:

"In 2012, Vengeance started a 40 month refit at HMNB Devonport near Plymouth which refueled her reactor and renewed her machinery and electronics. During that period her sister ship Vigilant took her place in the patrol rotations. She sailed from Devonport on 4 December 2015, her place in refit being taken by Vanguard. Vengeance then went through trials from January 2016 to June 2016 and fired an unarmed D5 missile during her Demonstration and Shakedown Operation (DASO) which allowed her to return to the fleet. Whilst the firing of the missile was a success, the missile itself suffered a failure during flight and the test was terminated."

At $37.7 million per shot "live firings" are restricted and not haphazard as Raggy jokingly outlined - my bet 40 months down the line when HMS Vanguard reaches the same point in her DASO she too will conduct a "live firing" using the US Range off Florida. I take it that even you Raggy would concede that if you have worked on and renewed machinery and electronics related to the launch systems on a nuclear ballistic missile submarine that those systems would have to be tested with a "live firing" before being accepted as fully operational?

2: There have been no modifications or design changes related to the Missile that would require a missile test, any such tests would by necessity have been carried out by Lockheed-Martin and nobody apart from the American and British Governments would have been aware of them, such tests would not have been plastered all over the media.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 02:56 PM

"You consistently get into arguments with people because of who they are, not because of what they say"
Bit unfair, I thought - a constant jibe here is "leftie", or "your team" - or lumping together people like "the usual gang" - rather than responding to points made.
We are all prone to personally insulting - it often happens in subjects that we take seriously, but makybe it's time we all put a btake on it.
Mind you, that's a bit difficult when one of the main culprits obsequiously praised the moderator for doing her job while leaving the impression that it's everybody else who is the problem and nuffin' to do with him.
Bizarrely, the same individual uses "liberalism" as an insult - no idea where to go from there!!
The worst behaved individual on this forum is incapable of posting without personally insulting and talking down to people - equally bizarrely, our "illiberal" and obsequious friend regards his behaviour as beyond reproach - amazing what you can get away with if you say the right things to the right people (right being the operative word)
Insulting and cowardly Trolls like Bobad seem to be beyond all reason and will be what they are while they are allowed to get away with it.
We all need to get a grip if this section is to survive - and that can only happen if we "see ourselves as others see us" - not a bad time of year to quote that!
See what I mean about our serial abuser (Mr T's posting landed before I posted my message, conveniently underlining my point)
As I said - we all need to get a grip - and some of us need to come to terms with our ignorant arrogance
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 03:20 PM

You fail to answer the question.

What was being tested, the submarine or the missile

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 04:01 PM

The expression is "FOUNT of all knowledge", not 'Font'.

Carry on....

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jan 17 - 07:36 PM

Answered very clearly Raggy - the work done on the submarine.

Thanks BWM - but from your contribution I think you got the gist.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jan 17 - 01:02 AM

My pleasure. Little things mean so much....

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jan 17 - 04:56 AM

My above posting went to the wrong thread - sorry for the confusion, (though I'm sure it will give our resident fact denier future ammunition)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Jan 17 - 11:14 AM

I fear someone is in breach of the Official Secrets Act passing all this information to you Terrikins

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jan 17 - 02:07 AM

Then that "someone" would be "Google" Raggykins.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jan 17 - 01:29 PM

Now holding hands with Trump. ...shudder...

On the plus side he probably thought she was Teresa May

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 17 - 01:36 PM

Theresa May who? he's probably thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jan 17 - 03:31 PM

Hahahahaha Dave! Teresa May, according to your clicky, made some interesting...er... films. 'Naughty Nylon Lust' and 'Teresa's Heel And Foot Tease' for example. I could never watch porn, I'd die laughing.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Jan 17 - 04:14 PM

If you are happy that the failure of over 6% of test firings indicates any degree of "reliability" you and I obviously live in very different worlds.

Yes, these launches have been aborted, or so we are lead to belive, what happens when the system that control that also fails.

Uoops Sorry Manhatten we meant to bomb Moscow ................

Not that that would worry you. We really do live in different worlds.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jan 17 - 05:33 PM

Oh dear Raggykins you don't know much about "live firings" of missiles do you? Suggest that you look at the performance specs for the Trident II and then you may (although I rather strongly doubt it) realise what acceptable test parameters might be and how slight the margins might be for aborting the test flight of a missile.

But if you really want to frighten yourself have a little trip exploring how long it has been since the Soviet/Russian Navy has successfully carried out the launching of a ballistic missile from one of their submarines (Having said that they did recently successfully test one of their new land based ballistic missiles, but that is a much simpler process).

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jan 17 - 02:07 AM

I'd rather play guitar. That's what I'm gonna do.