BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 10:54 AM

Greg F When the latest discussion revolves around acting alone or with the aid of others it only be regarded as a diatribe in your very strange world.
Trolling as usual, as you have zilch to say concerning the thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 10:30 AM

Discussion? You rather mean polemic, I ween.

See 06 Jul 17 - 09:12 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 09:52 AM

Greg F. One day you might even contribute something to add to the discussion. But I will not hold my breath.
Below is web page to help you in a grown up discussion. Let me know if you need help with the big words.
https://www.google.ie/search?q=did+the+manchester+bomber+act+alone&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gws_rd=cr&ei=bkBeWd7DMOTQg

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 09:16 AM

Sure thing, Iains - Alex Jones & Breibart & Fux News are much better sources.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 09:12 AM

Big Al W. Surely you did not expect rigorous analysis from the Guardian?

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 08:55 AM

when you are a 'terror investigator' - you start small and work your way up.

my first case was the spider in the bath.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 08:39 AM

There is also a quote from the gruniard that states:
"Terror investigators have confirmed that they believe the Manchester Arena suicide bomber, Salman Abedi, did not act alone when preparing his deadly attack on an Ariana Grande concert that killed 22 people"

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 07:08 AM

BBC News Report

There is a line that states "Abedi was not part of a larger network, the head of the North West Counter Terrorism unit has said"

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 06:51 AM

According to news now breaking - it looks like he did not act alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jun 17 - 05:59 PM

"a source", "believed to", " "Abedi downloaded material"- what material?

More BooShit.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jun 17 - 04:56 PM

From The Sunday Times

    A source with knowledge of the police investigation said that Abedi is believed to have accessed videos online containing information about how to construct various devices, including those using TATP. Abedi downloaded material from a range of online sources, including the dark web, and the YouTube information was one part of a wider online picture, it is understood.

    After the Manchester attacks a 22-minute video on YouTube and Facebook emerged, called "Jihadi ideas for lone lions". It provided instructions on how to make the type of explosive used by Abedi.

    The video, produced by Ibn Taymiyyah, a Gaza-based group that supports Isis, showed a chemist making the explosive from scratch using items such as a funnel and coffee filter. "The filling can be used in closed places like restaurants and buses," the video says. "After the explosion, it's better to directly enter the place and eliminate those who are still alive, Inshallah." It has been taken down.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jun 17 - 10:52 AM

I had to endure personal attacks

What, like the attacks you have made on me you mean? What was it? Shitty morality. Everyone else is superior to me. Probably some others as well but I can't be arsed to find them.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jun 17 - 03:55 AM

Eleven days ago Jim claimed a racist killing was relevant to Abedi's atrocities.
There was no racist killing.
There was no credible evidence for one and hard evidence against from the police and prosecution service.
I was right to challenge the false claim.

For eleven solid days Jim and Dave argued against me.
I had to endure personal attacks on my honesty, my morality and even my faith, but I was right and they were wrong.

I am away for a while.
Enjoy.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 01:12 PM

Glad you've come around to that pint of view

I have not. I said it is all bollocks.

"killed in a racist attack."
Nobody suggested he was,

You did Jim. About finding out why he did it you said, "Not too difficult if you take the statements of his family and friends into consideration.
They put it down to the racist killing of his friend"

But it was not "they."
Just the one mysterious friend we know nothing about, but you have been arguing his/her case solidly for ten days!

Do you now admit that there is nothing to suggest it was a racist attack except for "friend" in which case I was right to challenge you and you were wrong to keep claiming it.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 11:37 AM

Sorry - frgot is was Saturday - its very quiet here
Rhetorical question anyway
http://www.hindustantimes.com/columns/the-message-from-britain-is-clear-indians-are-not-welcome-anymore/story-1oV838U6xcqGHf39vu9XuN.html
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 11:29 AM

"If the "friend" was foreign he probably would not know much about Manchester gangs,"
Nobody claims he did Keith - your invention
He reported what Abedi told him no more
"Britain is a deeply racist country.""
You've been given the statistics - one quarter of those surveyed admitted to racism - don't know whether they asked you - you wouldn't have told the truth anyway
"Racist anti-Traveller signs "are common throughout Britain."
Glad you've come around to that pint of view - all you were capable of claiming is that you had't seen one.
"killed in a racist attack."
Nobody suggested he was, just that it was possible that the attack he was killed in was a racist one
Don't Christians even tell the truth on Sunday -
JIm Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 10:30 AM

If the "friend" was foreign he probably would not know much about Manchester gangs, so it is a reasonable question to ask, like whether he/she is a grown-up or not.

If he/she could not follow British news because of location or language, they would have little understanding of what happened in Manchester.

All the suggestions I made had a bearing on how reliable as a source of information he/she was.
Nothing to do with race or racism.
That is always what you shout when you lose an argument.

You are obsessed with it.
"Britain is a deeply racist country."
Racist anti-Traveller signs "are common throughout Britain."
Abedi's friend was "killed in a racist attack."

All bollocks Jim.

Now tell us about what Abedi's sister said, and everything you know about this "friend."

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 09:31 AM

You've just answered a lifelong puzzle for me Keith
I always wondered who Johnny Speight drew on for his 'Alf Garnett' creation
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 08:21 AM

Who are you quoting there Jim?"
"Is he/she old enough to go to school yet?
Have they ever visited this country?
Do they have any English at all? If not, how are they informed about what goes on in Manchester?
Do they have any serious mental issues?"
Guess Keith - but no prizes
There you have lumped being foreigners with having mental issues because what they have to say doesn't fit your agenda - anybody who contardicts you has to be foreign or a nutter
I really would stop digging if I were you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 08:01 AM

His sisrter was reported to have said it too

Really? Who by Jim? Please tell us.

Was Abedi's friend a foreigner Jim?
Why do you think that?
Why do you think that I think that?
Obviously he might be. He or she might be absolutely anything!

Why not make list of everything you do know about this "friend" whose supposed comment is the only evidence for your whole case.

Will it be a long list Jim?
Or quite short?
Or completely non-existent?!

"YOU CAN'T TRUST FOREIGNERS"

Who are you quoting there Jim?
I would never say anything so ridiculous, so who did?

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 07:44 AM

We are now where we needed to be at the very beginning
"YOU CAN'T TRUST FOREIGNERS"
Before you deny it - that is exactly what you have just written
Must put it in the same file as "cultural implants"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 07:36 AM

"Ignoring that despicable smear against all police officers,"
Well documented "despicable smear" if you don't mind
"Ignoring that despicable smear against all police officers,"
Downright fucking racist
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 07:32 AM

"His supposed comment is the only evidence you have for your whole case,"
His sisrter was reported to have said it too
It is not "my whole case"
You have the documented situation with racially constructed gangs and why they exist
You have the fact that the two gangs involved are made op of Afro Caribbeans on one side, Muslims on the other
You have the fat that the police were forced to defuse the situation because of the racial mix as those in the vicinity believed it to be a racist attack
All this you choose to ignore as if it didn't exist - which makes oyur obsessive denial agenda-driven
"You lose."
Six
Moronic and sick
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 07:03 AM

And the only people to deny it were anonymous policemen who by their very employment, makes them unreliable on questions of race

Ignoring that despicable smear against all police officers, it was an official statement released by the Greater Manchester Police, not some "anonymous policeman."

Has any publication, news agency of broadcaster picked up the story?

No, because it is not a story.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 06:52 AM

His supposed comment is the only evidence you have for your whole case, and you do not even know who he or she is!
Or anything about him, or her!

Is he/she old enough to go to school yet?
Have they ever visited this country?
Do they have any English at all? If not, how are they informed about what goes on in Manchester?
Do they have any serious mental issues?

You do not know anything.
You have no case Jim.
You lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 05:52 AM

"It has not. It is not an issue, "
It has - it was reported by an acquaintance
Your moronic dismissal only served to highlight the xenophobic nature of Little Britain
"anonymous "friend""
And the only people to deny it were anonymous policemen who by their very employment, makes them unreliable on questions of race
What the **** has "anonymous" got to do with anything - you choose to be anonymous (or maybe that's a point if favour of your argument - who the **** trusts you?
Clown
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 05:00 AM

Rag,
So Abedi is now MAD is he.
On what basis can an medically unqualified person make that diagnosis.

Check the thread title Rag!

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 04:28 AM

If the question of racism has been raised in this case,

It has not. It is not an issue, except that Abedi probably hated British people, as you clearly do.
("We are a deeply racist country." Racist signs "are common throughout Britain." Obedi's friend was killed by British racists.)

The killing of his friend was gang related, not racist.
The Manchester Police are quite clear it was not a racist killing.
The Prosecutors accepted their evidence and a string of gang members are on trial for murder.

The only person in the world who supposedly said it was racist is an anonymous "friend" of mad bomber Abedi, and that only according to one foreign news agency (but copied by Mail Online).
That was weeks ago and the story was never picked up by any other publication or broadcaster.

You have no case.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 17 - 04:17 AM

"Who cares what you think?"
You do apparently - enough to make my quoting a statement from associates of the killer into a a quest for the Holy Grail.
Whoever said it - they were nearer to his reasoning than you and the untrustworthy police force you are relying on.
The implications of the statement are far too important it suppress, as you are attempting to do in your efforts to protect the good name of the corner of Little England you appear to occupy
Racism has always been an issue in Britain - a survey some years ago suggested that a quarter of the British people hold and have expressed racist opinions.
There was a sharp rise in racist incidents a year ago, following Brexit - there has been a five-fold increase in Islamophobic attacks since Manchester - the killing has already started in North London
If we don't want a race-war on our hands we are going to have to build some bridges and win some hearts and minds - bringing communities together is one of the ways to do that
Apologists for racism appear to have chosen their side already.
If the question of racism has been raised in this case, in needs examining seriously, not dismissing, as you have.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 07:32 PM

Hmmm

So Abedi is now MAD is he.

On what basis can an medically unqualified person make that diagnosis.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 04:53 PM

Same thing - you were wrong and refused to withdraw it

No UK news agency HAS carried such a story! I was right!

The Manchester Police are quite clear it was not a racist killing.
Who cares what you think?

The only person in the world who supposedly said it was is an anonymous "friend" of mad bomber Abedi, and that only according to one foreign news agency (but copied by Mail Online).
That was weeks ago and the story was never picked up by any other publication or broadcaster.

If that is your whole case, you lose!

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 01:40 PM

""no UK news agency has carried such a story.""
Same thing - you were wrong and refused to withdraw it
The Manchester police have no right to make any such claim without publishing details - these are two gangs from different ethnic communities which, as is pointed out, now is regarded as a racist commonplace
The fact that you refuse to respond to this and the racist and dishonest nature of the place proves that you are only interested in 'winning something' and/or protecting racists
Unless there's anything other than dinials - done here
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 01:37 PM

Jim,
I said that, according to the killer's sister, he was radicalised by the death of his friend,

Really?
The two sources I just referred to do not say that.
They just say an anonymous friend said it, and one is just copied from the other anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 01:27 PM

Jim,
you claimed it hadn't appeared in the press

Not true. I said, "no UK news agency has carried such a story."

I quoted a French news agency, IN THE SAME SHORT POST IF YOU READ IT TO THE END!

You have no more an idea of whether there was a racist element to the killing

No, but The Greater Manchester Police knew there was not.
Your only answer to that simple fact is that they are lying!

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 11:54 AM

"Completely untrue. I actually linked to where you probably found it"
"Please give details, because NO UK NEWS AGENCY HAS REPORTED THE STORY."
You can't remember your own postings
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 11:18 AM

""why he did it or what he is.""
No - I was discussing the reasons that have been given for what radicalised them - you would omit any possible reasons that fit your agenda
I put his sister's statement up - you claimed it hadn't appeared in the press (didn't suit your particular agenda)
You have no more an idea of whether there was a racist element to the killing and you have refused to acknowledge the racial/cultural makeup of the two gangs.
That is enough to lay claim to a racist element to the killing.
Since then, the reason we are here has been totally forgotten by you ahd you have busted a gut trying to prove the unproveable - I wonder why, unless it is down to your own racism
Some gangs in Manchester, as Dave has said, are racially divides and motivated - i know that from having lived there and I assume Dave knows the same - what do you base your hysterical claim on (you have now reached the point of high hysteria)?
You won't even acknowledge the known corruption in the police and how much they are distrusted.   
Since the Lawrence murder, the police have been known to be institutionally racist and not so long ago, one of their commanders have admitted that they haven't moved on since.
I don't know if the killing was racially motivated - that is unimportant - what is important is that the bomber thought it was and said as much to friends and family.
Racism is an important issue in our relations with the immigrant communities - I have little doubt that it is a major factor in the rise in disaffection of Muslim young people who are no longer prepared to accelt the persecution, the prejudice, the 'Paki-bashing' mentality of some of our indigenous low-life.
This is the reported situation in Britain today (from Wiki)
"Although native British gangs are still active in the capital, There are a number of historical Asian gangs in London too, many that were initially formed to protect their local communities in response to racist attacks from the native white population, gangs such as the Brick Lane Massive. In the past decade, Tamil gang violence namely in Croydon and Wembley have been active such as the "Wembley Boys" and the "Tamil Snake Gang.[60] Tamil Hindu gangs in London are also featured as one of the many major ethnic gangs in Ross Kemp's documentary on London Gangs"
This is a worrying situation and ignoring it with the vehemence you are doing (Christ only knows why) is dangerous
Why not take your Little Englander head out of your arse and wake uo to the fct that gang culture is a threat to our well-being and our policemen do tell lies when it sits them
You were quick enough to accuse the police of covering up sexual abuse when it suited your Islamophobic agenda to do so - why not here?
POLICE RACISM
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 09:57 AM

Jim,
We were discussing "why he did it or what he is."
You said, "Not too difficult if you take the statements of his family and friends into consideration.
They put it down to the racist killing of his friend"

I questioned that, and this exchange began.
There was no "racist killing of his friend."

You intimated that I had invented that

Completely untrue. I actually linked to where you probably found it. You did not provide a link.

Dave, you supported Jim saying, "I was pointing out that if it was gang related in Manchester it could well have been racist as well. "

You said that even though you would have known that GMP had stated that it was not a racist killing.

That was dishonest and deceitful, and I would call it a lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 08:45 AM

"Jim claimed that racist killings led to the Manchester bomb outrage."
You are lying Keith, and stupidly, you are lying on this thread
Where have I ever claimed that
I said that, according to the killer's sister, he was radicalised by the death of his friend, which he believed to be in a racist attack qand the slaughter of children in Syria
You intimated that I had invented that - are you so fond of your racist friends that you are prepared to humiliate yourself in public
"you lose you lose you lose you lose you lose you lose"
Sick, sick, sick!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 06:40 AM

There is no need for me to support Jim. He is quite capable of looking after himself without any help from me. My argument has only ever been as I stated above. You are barking up the wrong tree while digging yourself deeper in. Not an easy accomplishment. I congratulate you on it.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 05:35 AM

Dave, Jim claimed it was a racist killing and you supported him in that lie.
The gangs may be "inherently racist" but the killings were not.

The gang feud did not threaten non-gangsters whatever their ethnicity.
Whatever the ethnic makeup of the gangs, the killings were gang killings not racist killings

Jim claimed that racist killings led to the Manchester bomb outrage.
These were not racist killings.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 05:01 AM

Thee "horific event" I am referring to is the killing of all those young people at a convert whiich you ahve turned into a competition
"you lose you lose you lose you lose you lose you lose" That is what I consider sick
It's about time you grew up and began acting like an adult instead of a competitor on 'Britain's Got Talent'
You appear to have no grasp of the tragedy of the some of the subjects you constantly fould up with your desire to win something
Grow up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 03:54 AM

If you do want to do something though I suggest you go back though the thread and find out what was actually said. My contention has always been that gang crime in inherently racist because these gangs are inherently racist. You do not get to be a member of that gang unless you belong to the right ethnic group. There is no reason that I would know any more or less about the crime in question than anyone else on here but I do have considerably more experience with Manchester gangs than some.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 03:31 AM

No need to carry on digging, Keith. Your hole is deep enough.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 03:22 AM

Jim,
use this horrific event to hide and defend racism

If I have defended racism, QUOTE ME YOU LIAR!

It was YOU jim, who raised this "horrific event."
You used it claiming it was a racist attack that led to the horrific Manchester bomb.
But it was not a racist attack.
You two did both lie about that.

The kid was killed in a gang feud. It did not threaten non-gang members whatever their ethnicity.

To be fair, Jim may not have known because it was hardly reported outside Manchester.
But Dave knew exactly what the truth was and set out to deceive.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 01:58 AM

"Not worth it, Jim. "
I realise that Dave - just a little outraged that someone should use this horrific event to hide and defend racism by simply denying facts and ignoring possibilities
That's Keith for you.....!!
Let's leave him to it - maybe his Grand Theft Auto prize is in the post.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 06:26 PM

Not worth it, Jim. He well knows my favourite saying about him but another is equally apt

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

I think it sums him up nicely.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 01:44 PM

Your sick, twisted political agenda is not make people believe racism exists where it does not.
"Britain is a deeply racist country" you say.
Racist anti-Traveller signs "are common throughout Britain" you say.
Obedi was just taking revenge for a racist killing you say.

All lies Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 01:12 PM

Whoever is right or wrong about this, whoever tries to make a makes a game of it is one sick prick
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 11:53 AM

And you are a competitive fruitcake Keith
You don't make a win/lose game out of the massacre of young people
Sick, sick, sick
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Lone nutter did Manchester bombing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 11:43 AM

Dave,
So by targeting another gang, they cannot help but target an ethnic group.

Devious and dishonest Dave.
The GMP said it was a gang feud to reassure ordinary folk that they were not at risk.
It was an honest statement. He was killed because of his gang membership not his ethnicity.

At least you do not claim, as Jim still does, that they lied about it not being a racist crime, and he is wrong to keep claiming that.

Jim, you have not found a single person, publication or broadcaster that challenges the GMP's statement.
Not even Dave.
It is just you.
You lose.