BS: Labour wants to confiscate property

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 09:56 AM

Do you really think so?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 08:59 AM

See, what I don't understand now is why the owners of some these empty properties have not offered to house homeless families in them. Maybe they have but I just havn't heard. It would do them very little harm, if they have no intention of living in or letting the property, and it would go a long way towards defusing the anger currently being felt.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 08:50 AM

The trouble is they've got rid of the people who understood thse things in councills, and its alll gone to private setups, in charge of people who know all about tendering, and nothing about building and safety. Everything gets dispersed out to subcontractors, who can't be relied on to understand the whole project - and there's no one coordinating it all. And even the fire service has been pared to the bone, which affects their ability to do the preventative stuff.

It's poltical insofar as this is the outcome of an ideology of privatisation and "efficiency savings", but its not really political in a party sense. The older style Tories running local government, for all their faults, would never have done it that way. There's nothing particularly Socialist about a Council acting responsibly.

Remember Harlold Macmillan protesting about Magge Thatcher "selling the family silver"? If it only was just the family silver. It's the furniture, and the front door key.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 08:06 AM

Stu. And your point is? You have obviously given up trying to defend your tame clot Corbyn!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 08:02 AM

"You can only respond with insults because every word I have stated is true."

OK. Then:

"Sad, sick, pathetic excuses for human beings."

Too good to resist was it? A bit piss-poor though. Must try harder.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 07:59 AM

It could be important if serving on a planning committee, or am I just grabbing at clotted cream!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 07:46 AM

what the fuck would a gasbag politician of any persuasion know about cladding, any more than he or she would know about brain surgery?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 06:50 AM

Corbyn asked why new Kensington MP didn't stop cladding being used when she was on planning committee of council: "I don't know" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 06:40 AM

D the G
Glad to see you have woken up at last.
Of course Corbyn is not in power.So why did he suggest such an action??????
of course he cannot implement his hare brained scheme without Parliamentary approval.
of course that means his kneejerk reaction was everything I have said it was.
Glad you agree comrade corbyn is a fool.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 06:34 AM

we get it Iain - you don't reckon Corbyn and the Labour Party generally stinks.

THe tories are the boys and girls for you. Kind, Loving, excellent administrators - and you wished you lived next door to one, and another on the other side, and one opposite.

Have you thought about moving to a tory chatsite - or perhaps starting one. No doubt the party would be happy to fund it. What fun you could have bathing in sunshine of mutual admiration and love!

go ahead and do it straight away....

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 06:33 AM

Perish the thought that corbile ever becomes PM!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 06:10 AM

I take your point, Kevin,but to ignore it could allow these obnoxious views to prolifereate.


Iaisn - I would have expected far more from him outlining how he would implement such a outlandish proposal. At the very least he would need to recall Parliament to discuss and vote on his proposals.

Errr, need I point out that Corbyn is in no position to implement anything or to recall parliament.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 05:54 AM

Several days have gone by since Corbyn's ridiculous suggestion to requisition property (Note requisition-a device normally used in wartime emergencies. Not compulsory purchase or temporarily commandeer)
Had his cheap soundbite had any merit I am sure we would have heard a deafening roar of support. Instead we have a solitary tweet from the harridan Hardman. In the intervening period, since the release of his divisive, politics of envy statement, we have had no flesh put on the bones of his solution. Had it been a serious attempt to alleviate the appalling circumstances the survivors find themselves in I would have expected far more from him outlining how he would implement such a outlandish proposal. At the very least he would need to recall Parliament to discuss and vote on his proposals.Between the Election and state opening of Parliament, the house is in recess. Hark! you may hear the herald angels sing but not a further peep out of comrade corbyn on the subject. He may make a budding class warrior but he is a waste of a skin for anything else
And incidentally more council homes were built in the last year of Thatcher's government than were built in the 13 years of Labour government, and that's something I think the Labour Party needs to apologise for. Official figures show only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone, which was Baroness Thatcher's final year as prime minister. In one Labour year, 2004, the number fell to just 130 council homes completed. Had Labour behaved as the caring party they would like to portray themselves as perhaps they would care to explain this set of statistics.Perhaps comrade corbyn feels it is easier to just simply requisition property rather than build it. But even that has severe problems attached. The link below is immediately post war. Society today is far more litigious and the government legal costs would be astronomical because I believe there is no precedent for peacetime requisitioning other than under the terms of the Civil Protection in Peacetime Act 1986

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1946/may/14/compensation-rents-for-requisitioned

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 04:39 AM

30 Years ago another Marxist tried to bring down a Government. Scargill failed Miserably & so will these Commies!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 08:31 PM

Tories don't as a rule refer to unbridled capitalim as "the dung of the devil".

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 07:28 PM

And here's me thinking he was a Tory!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 07:09 PM

Pope Francis has repeatedly said that private property rights are always outweighed by the right to the necessities of life.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 05:54 PM

I find the concept of a feet-of-clay attitude to "due legal process" when people are in such trouble and in such urgent need of help to be somewhat perplexing. Maybe I should become a Christian and tell these guys how to behave. Apologies for the whimsy.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 04:10 PM

That's a good moral argument , and I think those better off should be helping . But enforcing it would take time Freddy, if due legal process is followed.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 04:08 PM

Not pointless, Kevin. As there is no reasoning with people like this it is often the only course of action.

Not so. You ignore them. Don't give them what they want.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 03:50 PM

No idea about Iain but if you are well enough off and this happens to you, you move into one of your other houses.

I remember a conversation a few years back where a couple in the group were moaning about how all the services in their village were disappearing because so much of it was second home owners who were only there occasionally. Nothing too unusual there. But about half an hour later they started talking about their second home in Devon....

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 03:30 PM

I've not read all this.

Has Iains said how he'd feel about society if he was the one homeless, maybe sleeping on a mattress in a the local village hall while there was a perfectly serviceable unoccupied house next door?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 02:56 PM

Nah, he's a poisonous BIG shit!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 02:54 PM

"he seems a right poisonous little shit?"
What took you so long Al?
Someone who interprets the humanity of attempting to home the victims of a fire as "confiscating property" - a definite 'profit before people' advocate
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 02:46 PM

who is this inane iain character - he seems a right poisonous little shit?

have we got to put up with him?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 02:09 PM

I could not have put it better.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 01:45 PM

I hope people are going to resist joining in with pointless insults

Not pointless, Kevin. As there is no reasoning with people like this it is often the only course of action.

You and your cabal obviously condone and support such
low life behaviour.

Low life behaviour? You mean like showing that you care for people and want to help them? Like Corbyn and many others have done? Including Liz 2 and a couple of her grandkids?

I suppose it is low life to some. How do you rate Irritable Duncan Smith?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 01:42 PM

Meanwhile here are the Tories' cronies confiscating public assets:

https://davidhencke.com/2012/09/06/revealed-the-old-etonian-baronet-who-snapped-up-londons-fire-engines-for-2/

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 01:30 PM

It is also worth thinking through what would happen if some of these people decided to be squatters in the empty properties. The law would be on the side of the police evicting them. The politics is quite another matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 01:26 PM

Shaw the long and short of it is that Corbyn tried to make political capital out of people's misery and suffering. Some of us object to that behaviour. You and your cabal obviously condone and support such
low life behaviour.
I pity you.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 01:23 PM

I hope people are going to resist joining in with pointless insults, however justifiable that might seem. I sometimes the Cat does't have a personal button enabling us to filter out individual posters. Not censorship, they'd still be able to carry on to anyone who likes that kind of stuff.
.........
If there was the political will to take over vacant houses and use them to house people in this emergency, it could be done. Crown prerogative is remarkably wide.

The government, with the backing of parliament, would act. If owners chose to challenge this through the legal system, they could seek to do so. Even if that proved successful, which is very far from certain, legal efforts to evict the Grenfull Tower survivors would be likely to take considerable time. Meanwhile efforts to provide a more permanent solution would be going ahead, and the people involved would be living in ressonable accommodation locally.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 01:05 PM

You've had plenty of counter-argument. You're well out of order. And now you're demonstrating signs of wallowing gleefully in self-inflicted victimhood. You kicked the thread off on entirely the wrong foot. Isn't life such a learning curve?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 01:01 PM

Worth reading the opening post again. Iains wasn't really interested in the feasibility or legal and practical issues surrrounding this. The post was purely an attack on Corbyn's integrity. That only came into the thread later after he was lambasted by a huge humanitarian wave of disgust at his calls for protecting the assets of the rich at all costs. He changed tack to save face. Looks like Jezza isn't the only "twisting snake..."

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 12:57 PM

"Your constant whining because St Corbyn has been portrayed as an utter buffoon is getting monotonous. Go find another pram to throw your toys out of.
And you fools want this guy to form a government! "


Absolutely.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 12:52 PM

Greg F Say good night, Iains.

Or perhaps you just need a cookie, a glass of milk, and a nap.
Dave tge gnome.You really are a tosser aren't you.
David Carter.
You are being an arse Iains.
The leveller.
Iains is a complete and utter wanker
Shaw. Get a life, Iains. And a soul while you're at it.
punl f rocker.yet today some sad sour fool named Iains chooses to show himslf up to be a complete and utter bile fueled arsehole...

What a wonderful litany of reasoned counter argument. You can only respond with insults because every word I have stated is true.
Sad, sick, pathetic excuses for human beings.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 12:06 PM

remember the old capitalist shyster adage - sorry guv.....not my responsibility , we can't do fuck all for anybody, cos we're tight bastards, and even though we flogged it to you and it doesn't work - you can't get your money back, cos we went into liquidation yesterday.

don't tell me this isn't standard tory approved business practice, cos the bastards still own two of my songs.

they own the law and they are morally degenerate.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 11:53 AM

I suspect that Liz would be happy with that bobad. After all she visited the site, spoke with the victims and showed as much compassion as Corbyn did. Theresa May on the other hand...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 11:23 AM

Why not house them in Buckingham Palace?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 11:16 AM

The leveller. typical response from an idiot that simple refuses to accept that the solution Corbyn suggested is poppycock for many reasons and on many different levels.
1) Requistioning.Many stately homes were requisitioned as part of the war effort. Bletchley Park, where crucial code-breaking was carried out, was bought privately before the war, but requisition was later used to extend the site.The government had to pass legislation in order to do that - the Defence of the Realm Act in 1914 and the Emergency Powers Act in 1939 - but this does not appear to have happened in peacetime to meet emergency housing needs.

"Any property requisitions may therefore require emergency legislation in Parliament to instigate and would "probably"
prove controversial," said Mark Woloshak, a lawyer from Slater and Gordon.
2)Parliament is in a hiatus at the moment and there is no guarantee that should legislation be proposed, that it will deliver the intended outcome.
2)Were it to be passed it is unlikely it would take affect in sufficiently timely fashion to help the homeless from this tragic fire.
3)Should requisitioning occur it would probably deliver a massive shock to the economy with an impact affecting all.
4)A typical labour kneejerk soundbite with zero preparation, forethought, timeline, or costings.

Your constant whining because St Corbyn has been portrayed as an utter buffoon is getting monotonous. Go find another pram to throw your toys out of.
And you fools want this guy to form a government!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 10:25 AM

It's an interim solution for as long as it needs to be. But during the interim ut,s much better for the families involved than being stuck in cheap holtels or lodgings, or dispersed away from where they have lived.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 09:21 AM

Typing even worse than usual there. I apologise to all. I scrolled up to start editing and it got submitted. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 09:18 AM

It is of course a mattwr of debate whwthwr it would be greatly negatice foebthe country or not but I fail to see why it would would not solve the problem being faced. As a reminder the problem is some 120 families without accomodation in the short term. There is a long term issue as well which also needs be be addressed. But this proposal is only intended to address the short term.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 09:16 AM

It's much better to ignore contemptable repetitive posts, rather than reward those making them with attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 08:45 AM

One point I am surprised nobody bother to point out during the recent election. It has to do with that "great" manifesto put out by the Labour Party.

If you look at the timeline of it you can easily see why it was such an appealing manifesto.

Election called 18th April 2017
Labour Manifesto leaked (On purpose) 11th May 2017
Labour Manifesto officially launched 16th May 2017

Throughout those weeks at no time at all was it ever considered that Labour would have an earthly chance on polling day - so they could put anything that would have a "popular" appeal into their "manifesto of empty and undeliverable promises" because they would never be called upon to deliver on any of those promises.

It was traditional Labour votes and Labour voters that carried the Leave vote in the UK and by the time the election ticked round, what with Article 50 being triggered they thought quite reasonably that Leave and Brexit was a done deal - so they reverted to their old voting habits.

The result was terrific for Corbyn - but he didn't win - the Conservatives are still the largest party at Westminster - and we, as a country, have still to see Brexit implemented and carried through. Corbyn and Labour will do their utmost to derail that so just watch what happens with the Trades Unions and "industrial" relations in the coming months. Not too fussed about it as if they do as I think they will they will only succeed in shooting themselves in the foot.

By the way Iains is perfectly correct, the ramifications of pushing through Comrade Corbyn's scheme would be greatly negative for the country and it would not solve the problem being faced.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 08:36 AM

"by all means take all the money from the "rich bastards", you and your pals can then share it out according to whoever thinks what is fair "
Simplistic Tory twaddle
This is a discussion about using empty property to accommodate those who need shelter
Nobody believes in taking money from anyone - that is a "Tebbitism"
It's about equal opportunity not sharing wealth
""No matter what. It is always somebody else's fault"."
As distinct from the Tory adage
"Nuffin' to do wiv us guv"
I'll take bets that this tragedy is due to ignoring four year old warnings on safety requirements and using the cheapest and quickest material to build high rise homes
NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE BEEN HERE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 08:28 AM

The important thing is to provide alternative accommodation quickly and unpolitically.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 08:25 AM

Big Al Whittle - 17 Jun 17 - 03:48 AM

That's right Big Al, over simplistic twaddle, by all means take all the money from the "rich bastards", you and your pals can then share it out according to whoever thinks what is fair (You'll not please everybody, I'll guarantee you that - Then Big Al, some of those who are discontented will use your example as precedent then come and strip you of your wealth) and I will guarantee that within 12 months you'll all be poor again and revert to your own good whining selves blaming all and sundry for your misfortunes.

Remember that great old "socialist" adage Big Al - "No matter what. It is always somebody else's fault".

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: theleveller
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 07:34 AM

"i don't think Iains likes Jeremy Corbyn much."

Iains is a complete and utter wanker who doesn't understand that there have been many times in the past when private property has been temporarily requisitioned in the national interest. Like the despicable May, he is also a total coward who wouldn't have the balls to stand up in front of the fire victims and spout his repugnant views. If I had him in front of me I'd be tempted to put aside my scruples and kick his sorry arse myself. Ianas just can't bear to see a politician with courage and integrity because he's used to the spineless, inept Tories.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 07:24 AM

the leftards do not like to see it pointed out that their hero Corbyn has feet of clay

Of course he is flawed. We all are. Nor do have I actually met anyone personally who fits the Corbynista tag (and of all possible ways of naming supporters of Corbyn, isn't that an interesting choice?) I have, however, met an awful lot of people who subscribe to the policies he represents and promotes, and admire his success in doing so.

And actually it is of interest to remember where the term 'feet of clay' comes from. It is biblical and refers to something that appears strong but given a slight push collapses because there is not the strength to remain standing. However much one may hate Corbyn, you would have to admit that is not a very accurate description. If I was looking for a politician who claimed strength but collapsed under pressure, different names would sprig to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Stu
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 07:19 AM

Iain's and his ilk don't like to have their sense of superiority and entitlement challenged, especially not by the great unwashed. To see them coming together to help each other in times of distress and hardship alarms him... the buggers could start getting ideas.

Ha. Fuck that sense of privilege.