BS: Trump - not what it says on the can

Subject: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 06:21 AM

got a fb share share from old friend and guitar buddy Ken Nicol yesterday - an article about Trump. It was mainly just saying the bleeding obvious - he was a dangerous clown, promoted above his abilities, nauseating looks - you know the sort of thing one's wife says about you in the heat of the moment.
but it got me thinking about DT. i really couldn't disagree more. Dumb as he may appear - i think he's smarter than most of his critics. And i think the signs are everywhere.
he reminds me so much of Mrs Thatcher.
An image that enrages. A trayful of goodies to appease the unions (remember free collective bargaining that Scargill went for and took the inflation rate sky high.)
And yet this apparently silly housewife had seen beyond these apparently stupid moves.
What i'm saying is that once Trump has put a wrecking ball through Obama's attempts at improving society - i wouldn't be at all surprised if he has some terrible unimagined vision for the USA.

your thoughts....?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 07:19 AM

"your thoughts....?
That's one mixed-p and contradictory posting Al
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 07:43 AM

oh i think it was obvious Thatcher was a clever person - much cleverer than the people who just said what was on their mind. she was devious.

i think mr.trump is the same kind of smart.

underestimate him at your peril.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 10:15 AM

There is no doubt he has mastered certain skills. Howerever they do not apply to any stsemanship or presidency

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 10:42 AM

"Flush"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 10:59 AM

I think a lot of trumps support is due to the trump / pence team support on traditional Christian values . There are a lot of believers in USA so a lot of them voted for him . It's called politics and democratic process I believe . He is already delivering by defunding planned parenthood , and potentially saving the lives of thousands of Americans thereby. At the very least joe public is not forced to fund this barbarism now

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 01:15 PM

TRUMP??? TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN VALUES???


BWAAA-HA-HA--HA-HA--HA-HA!!!!


It's called politics and democratic process I believe.

No, pete, its called blatant hypocrisy and pretty sickening into the bargain.

And pete- you're against abortion? Fine, then don't have one and stop messing about with others people you have no business messing about with.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 02:27 PM

Greg we all have a say in how society is run, your response to Pete is simplistic.

Do you really believe that the mother has the right to say what happens to her child in all cases?
Society is supposed to protect from abuse....there are rules concerning abortion, and I am certainly opposed to the killing of unborn children in the interests of convenience.....or stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 02:29 PM

"He is already delivering by defunding planned parenthood , and potentially saving the lives of thousands of Americans thereby."

By stopping chaps from jizzing into a nodder? A sperm is a cell, not a human being. Still need to read up on biology Pete.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 02:35 PM

"...and I am certainly opposed to the killing of unborn children in the interests of convenience.....or stupidity."

You might want to try to think beyond your old white man's ignorant and outdated view of the world and try to understand that many of the situations mothers-to-be might find themselves in requires both understanding of the complexities of each case and compassion and empathy to deal with.

Trumps' idiot laws are blunt instruments that are allow neither compassion or nuance to be applied to very difficult situations, and should be treated with the contempt such moronic approaches to human suffering like this deserves.

Christian? Hypocritical bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 02:52 PM

lol now I get McGrath's post.

All of Trump's strengths are somewhat fraudulent, self serving, nefarious, evil, decadent, dishonest, grasp of conspiracy theory consensus, greedy, opponent effacing, self deluded, narcissism and social psychopathic.

His weakness lies in the area of general knowledge, history, complex thought, empathy, rational opinion formation, libido control, cohesive lie formation and understanding metaphoric speech.

I assume the can says; the best most perfect (____) in all the history of the universe...

This is a real 'snatch 22' even for his base.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:02 PM

That's "traditional Christian values" in the same sense that Isis says it represents "traditional Islamic values" ?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:16 PM

My can of Trump says "Impeach by December, 2017".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:17 PM

No, in a much WORSE sense, Kevin.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:24 PM

Trump has no affinity with traditional Christian values. Pence might in a weird fundamentalist way, but values of compassion, absolutely not. But Trump? Here: from a source which you might have assumed would be sympathetic to him:

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/how-donald-trump-has-already-broken-all-10-commandments/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 04:28 PM

My views have nothing to do with Christian values Stu, only humanitarian ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 06:26 PM

you're not getting what i'm saying.

stop judging him on a moral basis.

think for a minute.

a millionaire - as was Thatcher many times over because of Dennis. unlike thatcher from one of the top richest families in the country.

but he doesn't act like someone from another sphere - like Jacob Rees Mogg.

he thinks what do the blue collar boys want?
and he tells them they can have it. like Thatcher with her offer of 'free collectve bargaining'.

that's smart.

now of course if you piss in the water supply - it will have consequences. Thatcher had worked out the consequences.

i bet this guy has.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: vectis
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 01:11 AM

I'm sorry Al I disagree with you on his smarts. He has lost billions left to him by his father. He is a disastrous, double dealing, cheating big baby who is waaaay out of his depth as POTUS.

He saw the presidency as a money making opportunity which would make him very important for a while. He is a joke, a very dangerous joke for the World. He is intolerant of anyone who dares to disagree with him or tries to stand up to him. He doesn't follow any religious dogma so feels no loyalty to any creed beyond his own. All religions teach tolerance and kindness to others, he just doesn't get that and sees it as weakness.

US needs rid of him soonest.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:03 AM

I agree with Al. Trump knows exactly what he's doing- and that means we're in big trouble.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:06 AM

interesting vectis!

the fact remains - he has defeated an awful lot of 'intelligent' people to get to where he is already.

the moral weaknesses you describe is like decrying the great white shark for not being a hippy. i doubt if he sees that as weakness.

and however he's spent his inherited wealth - he's cut enough of a dash to become POTUS. this is hardly a trajectory of failure.

i think you underestimate this man at your extreme peril.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 09:02 AM

Not quite, Al - he's just smart enough to hire much smarter people to work for him, to bail him out of his screw-ups amd make him look good. That's always been the case.

He seems to have a penchant for stupidly cutting his employees off at the knees and making them look foolish- and this could come back to haunt him.

That doesn't mean I underestimate the potential damage the gang of
deplorables he's put together can do.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 11:07 AM

Fascinating letter in the Irish Times this morning from a "former Trump supporter" in the US redneck belt
He complains that he has been badly let down because Trumt is a softie and is not going anywhere near far enough to prosecute Clinton and should forget all this nonsense of enquiring into Russian interference
A lunatic fringe with its own lunatic fringe - only in America!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 11:29 AM

Surely when people point out Trump's faults it's not in the hope or expectation of changing him, that would be silly.

Pretty obviously those character failings are a major part of what has got him up to where he is. (And may serve to ensure his fall in time.)

The reason people might go on about them is to encourage others to see them for what they are, and see him for what he is, and maybe to be repulsed. That may be pretty hopeful so far as most of his supporters are concerned, but it's not irrational in itself. And it might help nibble away at the edges.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:54 PM

I'm sure there is a record of his IQ somewhere. The guy did go to school, after all.
I suggest that he is playing to a different drummer, and not even his family knows the tune.
For one thing, He is a BS artist. This does not make him a liar OR a truth teller. This makes him someone who has no relationship with the truth at all to even KNOW or CARE that he is lying. He is like Rush Limbaugh, only with power.
Pence is probably a more normal sort of politician, but with the kind of morals that simper religious while not preventing him running with Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:04 PM

He is a BS artist. This does not make him a liar...

Could have fooled me.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 04:19 PM

What makes Twitler a liar is all the lying he does.


Politifact

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 05:33 PM

Now, Gilly, give him a break- after all, he built the Panama Canal.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 06:18 PM

I guess I should have writted: "not merely a liar".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 04:24 AM

well i can't prove my point, but anyway i've stated my belief.

i think he's smarter than all these bloated plutocrat talk.

and i wouldn't be surprised if he has something particularly nasty in mind for the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 05:19 AM

Trump is a narcissist. All else follows.

Trump started with a big fortune, and he made it bigger by knowing when to risk, and when to cheat. Smart is one word. Worthy ain't.

He has had success in monetary terms, and being a narcissist he has to show off his achievements, with glitter. However:

Money is power but like all addicts there is one power he didn't have so he went for it, and cheating was not his worry. Russia will be one day!

Our worry is what heights must he migrate to to sate his addiction now?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 08:44 AM

Honest Don beat crooked Hillary. Fair and square is in question. The Russians hacked only 29 US State's voter registration lists. That is about what American Republicans do quasi legally. For example Georgia republican authorities eliminated all 'double voters' from voter registration. What is a double voter? Anyone who has the same first and last name like 'James Brown'. Never mind different middle names and ages, if your name was James Brown you were not allowed to vote.

There was a republican talking point that Putin is a better leader than Obama for over a year before the election. Republicans got their wish either by coincidence or collusion. We don't yet know for sure.
To bad we will not share the Russian free health care plan for everyone there since 1996.

My point is that everything Russian is not bad. Putin's personal economic corruption is bad and Trump wants a piece of that kind of personal profit. I believe Trump has already failed at dropping Russian sanctions for personal profit. That means he still owes Russia and is in increased jeopardy.



note to my detractors- If you want links to everything I say, find them yourself. Hint - They are not on Brietbart.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 09:00 AM

Putin is a far better leader than Trump, anyway, so far as competence is concerned. I'd imagine in moral terms it would be pretty even stevens.

Clearly it's absurd to suggest he's not extremely intelligent. Stupid, and maybe crazy, are a different matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: EBarnacle
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 10:17 AM

I can hardly wait for him to have the government declare [fiscal] bankruptcy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 10:20 AM

The Magnificent seven
Bannon, Kuchner, Trump, Tillerman, Sessions, Priebus, Mnuchin.

Or are they the villains to this magnificent 7 ?

Sanders, Warren, Hickenlooper, Booker, Biden, Franken, Newsome.


It looks like the billionaires are pitted against the people,
but the hate message of the billionaires appeals to the common folk.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 11:08 AM

I envision the next GOP primary celebrating Trump having risen above the law although many of his current surrogates will have fallen from prosecution , from being fired and even falling from liberal gun play.

With the sound track of the Magnificent Seven blasting at 140 decibels and a laser light show, a 60 ft. high hologram of Trump will appear with the remainder of his cabinet and Scalise on crutches hobbling   below the Trump hologram. Some surrogates are wearing gun belts.

The crowd goes wild as the soundtrack switches to 'proud to be an American'.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 11:26 AM

I forgot, Scalise will be wearing a baseball uniform.

Meanwhile at the DNC convention, Bernie and Liz will be waving a common twig that is supposed to be an olive branch.

God/Hitler knows, theatre and show business is politically important.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 08:43 AM

I think I may have just received the same link to an article in Der Spiegel back in May.

It is a very perceptive editorial and given the name of the publication has a good link to Mudcat :-) I think it mirrors the view of a lot on here if you will excuse the pun, Max :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 01:24 PM

The one being groomed to succeed is Ivanka.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 02:53 PM

In an administration where words have no meaning beyond an insult or denial, we should remind everyone; no matter what your occupation or wealth, you are only as good as your word.

Donald Jr. and Jared both admitted to talking with a Russian lawyer about Russian information of value from e mails in the Democrat's campaign.

This is after they forgot to mention it.

Trump Sr. knows nothing - excuse the pun.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 04:53 PM

Hmm Ivanka Trump, first female president of the US? I'm sure she will be well received in the higher echelons of Mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 06:17 PM

I been here longer than you aken, and I've never come across any "higher echelons". Just some people post more than others, you being one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 08:49 PM

Ivanka Trump, first female president of the US?

President Bimbo, Ake? Heaven forfend.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 02:26 AM

It's the "glass ceiling stupid", but maybe Ivanka would be a stone too far for some?

Mr McGrath, unfortunately most of my better posts never see the light of day, or at least only for a couple of minutes.
Some posters seem to be more equal than others, as somebody once said.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:34 AM

back to the present

In the US the right got their Citizens United decision to allow unlimited donations to a candidate with secret super funds and limited super funds. This action made it possible for the Chinese army to secretly give to our candidates.

It is a small step for the right to allow foreign governments to participate in all sorts of actions to influence our elections.
SUDDENLY some people feel that treason, collusions and espionage is the way to go to win elections against Democrats.

The right was given an inch and they took a mile.
Americans must each decide if the Republicans may be allowed to commit treason as long as it assures they win. Democrats would be held accountable as traitors but a republican is just doing what they need to do to defeat evil liberal nigger loving god hating democrat
terrorists.

Treason, its what's for dinner and will be on conservative plates for years to come.

Oh Waiter -   I'll have a side dish of collusion and foreign extortion for dessert!...its OK, I'm Republican. thanks

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:35 AM

most of my better posts never see the light of day

If the posts that remain are an indication of the quality of the posts that are deleted I can only thank heaven for small mercies.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:56 AM

Actually it is up to Wall Street Banks to decide if treason is good for business. They own Congress who will appear to decide under our current system of corruption. If the Constitution alone decided, short term profits would be lost.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 07:15 AM

give us the gist of it Ake...

What can it be that you have to say that the world needs protection from....you're not one these guys who've had sex with aliens from another planet and the CIA is after you with a death ray....are you?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 07:42 AM

Hey, we have had covert microwave rifles (death ray) for 40 years.

NEW SPEAK The memo for republicans is flat out deny. If you can not deny say you forgot. If you can not say convincingly say you forgot say it is a nothing burger, If there is something say that there was some loosey goosey shenanigans. If that dog doesn't hunt, flatly deny again.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 08:10 AM

It's just been announced that Trump's son had been informed by e-mail that information regarding Hilary Clinton was part of the Russian campaign calculated to help Donald the Dodderer get elected
Interesting days, eh what!!
JIm Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 09:22 AM

The Trump defense team is running out of gas. They are just saying it is much ado about nothing. -weak-

Even if Donald Jr, Jared and Mannifort did not take the Hillary dirt from the Russian lawyer, it is still soliciting. Even in the possibility they did not take any Russian dirt it is like going to a drug dealer and they found out the dealer did not have thier brand of coke so they left without buying. I think they bought Russian government information.

Trump senior asked for Russian intercepted emails publicly.

Now the White House is saying IT IS A MASSIVE HUGE NOTHING BURGER> weak

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 09:35 AM

THE white power House is now saying the Russian lawyer is incoherent.

decide for yourself

incoherent or lieing to save her life?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 09:51 AM

most of my better posts never see the light of day

That'right, Ake- "they" are out to "get you". Your'e not related to Twitler - another perpetual victim in his ow mind - are you?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 10:18 AM

Trump has called on an alt right ex Colonel Anthony Schaffer to defend and deny everything about Russian collusion vehemently. He is an operant not an analyst.

a verbal sample of his protestations:

[sounds like mudcat BS to me}


All this information behind the scenes is no big deal
In a campaign you want all information even foreign
Its just one more piece of fluff
PRPOGANDA!
I do deny everything absolutely
The email could be any foreign country not just Russia (this was a doozy_
You don't know that
That is all hearsay
Trumps don't apply to reporting requirements
You are making stuff up
This is normal for all campaigns
I don't know what universe you live in
You have lost your way

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 10:34 AM

greg yes I was mean to ake once but one moment of anger need not be forever. do not get another thread closed for ego. there is important info here.

more aggressive denials by surrogates:

fake media is trying to change history
you are making up all this from enemies in the CIA

Subject: RE: BS: what it says on my can - Kohler
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 10:45 AM

Trump Jr. hires NYC mob Lawyer after admitting meeting Russian lawyer who lobbies to remove sanctions.

Should Donald Jr. have alerted the FBI?

well he is young
well he is naive
well he is new to espionage
well he didn't know anything
well he only knows how to safari
well he is ill advised
well he is kind of a fall guy
well he only went to a walk in meeting
well he can't even spell collusion

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 12:31 PM

My imagined rough draft by TRUMP for Trump's ghost writer to write Trump's new book 'The Art of the Trump Presidency';

I am the greatest President in the universe. Even my earliest achievments are great.

When Ed Koch the Mayor of New York City who awarded the mob to renovate the Central Park ice rink failed after 6 years to finish the projects I hired the King of Trump construction, and Bel, the lord of Heaven and earth, who decreed the land to be assigned to Marduk Inc and finished the project ahead of schedule. I made it great on earth, and founded an everlasting kingdom of Real Estate in Manhattan whose foundations are laid so solidly as those of heaven and earth; then Bel Construction called me by name Donald J Trump, the exalted prince, who feared no loans, to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land, to destroy the wicked tenants and the evil-doers; so that the strong should not harm the weak; so that I should rule over the black people like KOVFEFE and enlighten the land, to further the well-being of my fortune.


I managed the temple of Taj Mahal; the grave of my enemies, whose skim brought about victory; who increased the power of Cutthroats; made all glorious in Atlantic City while the Jersey Mob gored the enemy; The Attorney General of New Jersey. I Donald Trump who recognizes the alt right, who rules by my law; who gave back to the city of New York my name atop Hotels and let the name remain in Trump City and now Washington Trump DC.
      
I Donald Trump who never humbles himself before the puny gods; am the President of the USA and the hugest successor of profitable Global Bankruptcy with the hugest Inauguration crowd of all.

I made deals with China, Russia, North Korea and GM that make them suckers for a change. I canceled deals with France England and Germany. I made government so small it can not work anymore and can be drowned in my huge bathtub. My children are all world leaders now.
Our empire will last for eternity.

notes, anything that does not work is Kenyan Obamas fault, anything that works is all me. All news is meddlesome fake news. only I am truthful.

Refer all future questions to Jared and Ivanka. The new book must be perfect or you will not be paid.

Donald J Trump

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 12:36 PM

This must be "fake news" again!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 01:41 PM

Unless you are being factious Raggytash, the story is from the NYT two days ago and has sent me, Congress and Trump apologists into a frenzy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 01:51 PM

Could be worse - could be Ake news.

Subject: carrots
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 02:23 PM

Now we have to add Donald Jr. to the Nothing Burger* with Russian dressing.


* May contain Mannifort cheese, Putin Paste, Wilber Ross, Jeff Sessions, Ambassador Kislyak, Flynn sauce, Jared carrots and a touch of Trump tomato.

nothing burger

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:33 PM

Donald Trump Jr. email:
Dad send money guns and lawyers. The shit has hit the fan

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 07:50 PM

Oops a Daisy

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 08:06 PM

Gee whiz - ya mean Twitler Jr. is just as big a lying sack of shit as his old man?

Who would have believed it?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 08:38 PM

It rather looks as if Donald has decided that it's true what they say about it being not so much the crime that matters as the cover-up.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 11:14 PM

In this case the crime is bigger than the stone walling cover up.
Trumps are the gang that couldn't lie straight.
Donald Jr. is known as Fredo behind his back.

What is next?
I have a fertile imagination when it comes to speculation but the certainties are that Donald Jr. is off the criminal hook and Jared Kushner is cruising for a bruising from a potential 5 year sentence.

The Republicans will hit back with a distraction accusation.
The Russian actors will go back to the Kremlin and extortion from a distance will be the middle game.
The grand prize end game is removing sanctions on the biggest oil fields in the world located in Siberia for Exxon to drill. It will slip out of Trump's grasp but he may still get a consolation Putin prize if the Mueller investigation does not reach this conclusion and leaves hope for Putin's future trillions.

What happens to Trump Sr.? Expect an angrier Donald without family support in the White House and a more powerful Bannon influence.

I hope the Trump Moscow porn tapes never surface.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 03:06 AM

Don't you mean the Moscow pawn tapes? Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 03:23 AM

I have spent some time examining the reports of this pantomime and it seems to hinge around the "lawyer" who wished to see American adoption laws amended....Adoption legislation is extremely lucrative for lawyers both in Russia and the US.....the ban placed on the adoption of Russian children by US couples is an impediment to the legal sharks.

It seems the approaches to the Trump campaign were simply a means of getting access to advance the lawyers wish to have the restrictions on Russian diplomatic personnel and property reversed, so that the ban on Russian/American adoption could be lifted.
It also appears that the whole enterprise could have been constructed with the added ingredients of a "sting" should the Trump campaign people walk away.....Which they did.

Conclusions.......Lawyer ...unbalanced, or working for anti Putin interests.   Putin uninvolved...... Trump jnr.....naïve.
   American politics..... corrupt.   American News media...unspeakable.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 03:28 AM

Sorry, that should read "Russian adoption laws amended"

The whole affair has the fingerprints of "rights activists" all over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 10:30 AM

American News media...unspeakable.... & etc.

Just more Ake news. Sad.

by the way, Ake, which Drumph is paying you to come up with this nonsense - Jr. or Sr.?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 10:34 AM

I have a good composite phrase Greg. F-ake news. I am sure people can work it out.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 10:44 AM

Thanks for that meticulously researched and totally unbiased "ake news"
update.

No telling what the various investigations will make of this meeting, attended by Manafort and Kushner as well as Twit Jr.,but it does establish the Twit Campaign's intent on colluding with the Russians to get dirt on HRC. The timeline of events leading up to and after the meeting is very suspicious.
Interesting to see how this whole things plays out. At least, for now, it's jamming the gears on Twitler's draconian, anti-human agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - tweets on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 04:37 PM

Transparent and high value Fredo Trump Jr. has now been instructed that treason is bad.

Now that he knows, it won't happen again.

His father however is harder to teach.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 10:01 PM

Get real. The reports of this pantomime as you nonsensically call it, is the desire of Russian oligarchs to go back to their criminal behavior of money laundering. So they have worked hard to pull Trump into it, and it seems to have worked, since he's creating oligarchs here in the U.S. With the help of his son and son-in-law. At some point in time even the U.S. GOP will not be able to stomach this criminal behavior any more. And then Trump will be out on his fat ass.

Whe the Kremlin Says "Adoptions," It Means "Sanctions."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 17 - 06:50 AM

The Approval rating for Trump among Republican voters is 82%

That is huge.

The Trump messaging technique and new definitions for words is respondsible for his astronomical massive approval.

For example The New Trump Dictionary definitions;

Facts - facts exist in two states. One in Lame Stream fake media witch hunts and the other in a super position of alternative facts.

Winning - Everyday Obama is not President is a winning day.

Collusion - means cooperation. If this word is used by demoncrat it means illusion or delusion.

Russia - Is a good friend who gave us Alaska and freedom from Hillary.

Investigation - Is a bad government restaurant that grills Nothing Burgers that are much ado about nothing.

News - Is a satanic device that tries to make you believe the devil does not exist. It is the enemy of America that needs to be body slammed and rid of the Earth.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 07:24 AM

Prince Trump Jr. FORGOT AGAIN there was another soviet agent at the lawyer meeting.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 11:06 AM

Soviet agent?? shurely shome mishtake!!!


The Soviet Union no longer exists.....and it was a demented female lawyer with no connection to President Putin....In fact, Putin had no idea who she was.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 11:33 AM

Ake news. Sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 01:19 PM

A Russian American who was Soviet era born is being called a lobbyist (to lift sanctions) and friend of the Russian gov lawyer, is the new forgotten man at the meeting with Jr. We are not even including the translator.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 02:11 PM

The new guy tied to the Collusion meeting has a remarkable name like

AKENASHUN !! no shit. Hey Ake, any relation? ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 02:32 PM

...no connection to President Putin....

Almost nobody has any direct connection to Putin. The lawyer's connection is to the people who would most benefit from relaxation of US sanctions on Russia. In other words, the Russian oligarchy, whose connection to Putin is as obvious as that between two snakes tied in a knot.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 02:55 PM

2 snakes tied in a knot lol great descriptor
is that like a post turtle?