BS: Terrorism you don't read about

Subject: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 04:28 AM

Acid attacks on British Muslims:

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/07/03/anger-rises-theresa-may-completely-ignores-terror-attack-uk-soil-video/

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 06:48 AM

That kind of terrorism is as old as Paki bashing Jack - ignored then and still ignored by them indoors
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 07:02 AM

Strange, I seem to be reading about it all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 08:04 AM

There's a necessary precursor for an act of "terrorism" - the perpetrator/s needs/need to be Muslim.

Otherwise, its reported as "some nutter", "a deranged individual" & etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 08:15 AM

I think the attacks are reported, but horrific that they are they do not get the profile of murders.
Some are certainly racist hate crimes, if such constitute terrorism.

Guardian one year ago,
"Six in 10 of all victims were male, while 71% described their ethnic origin as white British, the figures show (white British, according to the 2011 census, accounts for 80% of the British population in England and Wales). Globally, an estimated 80% of victims are women.
Jaf Shah, the executive director of the support group Acid Survivors Trust International (ASTI), said: "Looking at the data in general, there is a fairly large probability that a high percentage of the incidents are male on male attacks and most likely to be gang related. The numbers appear to be very high and suggest an increase, which is very concerning.""

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 08:17 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/30/acid-attack-hospital-admissions-have-almost-doubled-in-last-10-years

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 08:23 AM

Independent 2 days ago,
"At this stage, however, the only acid attack being officially treated as a hate crime by police is the one on Ms Khan and Mr Muhktar.
Many of the other incidents seem to bear the hallmarks of particularly vicious robberies, rather than hate crimes.
In one incident, in Limehouse, east London, the victim was white, and the social media user who tweeted a video of him being hosed down with water by paramedics confirmed it had been a "mugging". "
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/east-london-acid-attacks-muslim-resham-khan-jameel-muhktar-south-asian-residents-race-hate-crimes-a7821701.html

Subject: our most recent local hate murders
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 06:05 PM

Maryland

More local murders

There are others that are kept from the front page.

One guy only leaves bananas around campus 'lynched with a hangman's knot'
What did Hillary say? Love Trump's hate? I still don't get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 03:04 AM

96 "racist killings" since Lawrence
BOSTON, LINCOLNSHIRE
ONE in THREE RACIALLY ABUSED SINCE BREXIT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 03:18 AM

Not to diminish the seriousness of it, and certainly not to diminish the crime of terrorism:

Lone attacks on single victims is racially motivated crime.

Strident description purloining misnomers dilutes the word and softens the impact of its correct use.

But that is what the world does in the name of disgust. (instead of discussed).

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 07:25 AM

Jack's link was to Canary, a far Left activist site.
It seems to be trying to stir up hatred by presenting this crime as terrorism and/or race hate when it is not.
It has been trying to present the Grenfell tragedy as some kind of manifestation of class war when it is not.

We all need to be on our guard against lies and distortions intended to cause strife.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 08:33 AM

Grenfell tower was a tragedy which occurred as a consequence of actions taken and failing to be taken by those who owned the building and organised its refurbishment, and who disregarded the repeated attempts of residents to raise objections about safety issues. It appears clear that the fact that these residents were overwhelmingly poor was a major factor in why they were treated in this way, and why they were there in the first place (people with severe mobility problems placed in flats on the 20th storey, for example.)

No, it wasn't "class war". That term is never used for actions in which poorer or marginalised people are treated badly. It is only used when they fight back.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Howard Jones
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 10:15 AM

These terms have legal meanings. Terrorism is defined by the Terrorism Act 2000 to mean where the use or threat of violence is "designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious racial or ideological cause."

Hate crimes are defined as being motivated by hostility to certain protected characteristics, such as race, religion, sexual orientation or gender, or disability.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 10:42 AM

It appears clear that the fact that these residents were overwhelmingly poor was a major factor in why they were treated in this way,

Treated in what way?
The same building materials have been used in buildings that are not social housing.
The stuff was added just to make the flats more comfortable and more attractive. It cost millions.

The stuff was supposed to be safe but was not.
Poverty was never an issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Jul 17 - 03:37 AM

Canary isn't far left Keith. If you want far left try the Weekly Worker.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jul 17 - 05:34 PM

I do not believe, Keith, if people living in a luxury tower block who protested repeatedly about defects in fire safety could conceivably have had their views ignored and scorned by the owners of the building, and threatened with prosecution if they did not shut up protesting.

Nor do I believe that specific requirements for fireproof materials identified by the architects, and approved by the planning authorities would have had those materials downgraded to save relatively small numbers.

Nor are there any circumstances in which monied people with severe mobility problems could have been obliged to accept living 20 stories or more up in a building with one badly maintained fire staircase.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 17 - 04:07 AM

"I quoted the Guardian saying 71% of victims were white British, "
Which has nothing whatever to do with the sharp rise in racist events since Brexit
Acid has become a popular weapon in many types of assaults in Britain in Britain and to point to non-racists attacks as a diversion from those that are racist is to defend racism - as is your regular practice on several threads
Your "71% white" is meaningless anyway
Of those number, many are aimed at poles and Eastern Europeans and are equally as racist as those against Arab refugees and Asian immigrants.
Even your claim that the Manchester murder was non-racist because it was gang-related is facile nonsense to defend racism
"Gangs" are being formed in some ethnic communities to protect those communities from racist attacks from the outside - the facts that some of these gangs go to war with each other can be equally as racial as the can be criminal and territorial incidents.
Racism is on the rise in Britain and you are defending that rise by denying it - you always have as far back as when you described me as anti-British for pointing it out
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Jul 17 - 04:04 PM

Another one:

http://evolvepolitics.com/british-separatists-threaten-suicide-bombing-msm-response-pitiful/

I don't go along with the hysterical spin but they've got a point - why wasn't this news?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jul 17 - 06:37 PM

I see the Telegraph ran a story about this suggesting its locals who don't like this outsider restaurant, with no mention of the claim by CNLA. Metro ran a story with the claim, but other than that it seems to have been ignored hy mainstream media.

Of course anyone can claim responsibility for something they didn't actually do - it's believed Isis and Al Qaeda has often done. But it's a very nasty little press claim by these nasties. Very unfair for decent Cornish nationalists.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 05:24 AM

They seem to have got the acid attack terrorist:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40552021

Can't tell from the picture if the tat on his cheek is a dagger or a cross. Maybe it's meant to suggest both. It seems the police know something about Tomlin's motives:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40467137

Anybody who looks that distinctive is going to be VERY well known locally (and so will his opinions be). Any Canning Town residents here?

It seems from other BBC stuff that acid has recently become a popular weapon in the London gang scene. Given the historical links between organized crime and the far right, it's not surprising the Nigel Farage fan club has adopted it too.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 08:32 AM

The only purpose anybody can possibly have in posting and refusing to respond to replies is to close or spoil threads

There are quite a lot of replies I refuse to respond to (like anything posted by two people/bots on this thread), and this forum would be the better for it if you did the same.

İt ürür, kervan gider.

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: bobad
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 09:41 AM

Terrorism you don't read about:

A new study from University of Oslo reveals that anti-Semitism in Europe is far worse than originally thought. Haym Salomon Center in-house professor Abraham Miller analyzes the results and explains what they mean and who the culprits are.

New study reveals Europe's rising anti-Semitism forces Jews to leave or hide

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 09:50 AM

Make that three people.

İt ürür, kervan gider.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 10:05 AM

This gets even more alarming:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mrjammyjamjar3/status/882269904367476736/photo/1

Anybody here live in those parts of London?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: bobad
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 10:48 AM

Make that three people.

Maybe I should have headed my post as: "Terrorism you don't want to read about."

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 11:00 AM

Tne Guardian on the Beckton acid attack (quoting the police, who see it as a hate crime, and as part of a trend in both London and Manchester):

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/10/beckton-acid-attack-suspect-in-custody-after-handing-himself-in

The Independent's article

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/acid-attack-london-john-tomlin-arrested-model-resham-khan-jameel-muhktar-a7832616.html

is more recent but seems to have been written from older information, and leaves out the police's evaluation of what's going on. The Twitter links I pointed out more than confirm the police's picture. There seems to be a subculture of kippers who, since the Brexit vote, have started getting their jollies by throwing acid at anyone who looks Muslim.

The Met have taken down their profile of Tomlin - perhaps now they've got him they don't want to prejudice his trial.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: bobad
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 11:25 AM

Acid throwing, also called an acid attack,[1] a vitriol attack or vitriolage, is a form of violent assault[2][3][4] defined as the act of throwing acid or a similarly corrosive substance onto the body of another "with the intention to disfigure, maim, torture, or kill".[5] Perpetrators of these attacks throw acid at their victims, usually at their faces, burning them, and damaging skin tissue, often exposing and sometimes dissolving the bones.[6] The most common types of acid used in these attacks are sulfuric and nitric acid. Hydrochloric acid is sometimes used, but is much less damaging.[7] The long term consequences of these attacks may include blindness, as well as permanent scarring of the face and body,[8][9][10] along with far-reaching social, psychological, and economic difficulties.[5]

Today, acid attacks are reported in many parts of the world. Since the 1990s, Bangladesh has been reporting the highest number of attacks and highest incidence rates for women,[11][12] with 3,512 Bangladeshi people acid attacked between 1999 and 2013.[13] Although acid attacks occur all over the world, this type of violence is most common in South Asia.[14]

Wikipedia

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 11:44 AM

Safety briefing poster about acid attacks from the British Islamic Medical Association:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEC-MBNXcAIEknv.jpg

Keeping up to date:

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/AcidAttack

Twitter is a LONG way ahead of the mainstream media with this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 12:05 PM

Violent racists often have criminal backgrounds, move in criminal milieus and accordingly know how to use and get the same sort of weapons used by un-ideological criminals. It's always been that way.

That Twitter search link just reported an attack in Newcastle. No suggestion of racist motivation, but every such attack anywhere makes it more likely that the local kippers will get ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 06:11 PM

This is really shocking. From Dr Imran Awan on Twitter, reporting a breakdown of hospital admissions for acid attacks in London:

The biggest age group of victims being those over 75, who accounted for 253 of the 925 total admissions in the last 10 years.

Not very likely that's intra-gang fighting, is it?

These attacks have succeeded in terrorizing everybody in East London who looks like UKIP's idea of a Muslim target. People are staying indoors because of it or keeping their car windows rolled up all the time while driving.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 06:18 PM

S'matter? You never heard of The Over The Hill Gang?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:01 AM

Jack, this Guardian article I linked to earlier is a year old but discusses those exact same figures.
It is suggested is that the old are over-represented because the figures are just for hospital admissions. Younger victims may not need as many hospital visits.

Some quotes,
"Six in 10 of all victims were male, while 71% described their ethnic origin as white British"

"Jaf Shah, the executive director of the support group Acid Survivors Trust International (ASTI), said: "Looking at the data in general, there is a fairly large probability that a high percentage of the incidents are male on male attacks and most likely to be gang related. The numbers appear to be very high and suggest an increase, which is very concerning." "

"Kwambe Ibegbuna, a social worker and community activist in Manchester, said acid attacks were becoming more common – not just among gangs but in cases of domestic violence and also for intimidation. "I've had people tell me they wanted to leave a mark, others say they were attacked because they rejected people's sexual advances. The stories vary greatly but the most consistent feature is to ensure the victim is traumatised greatly by the experience and that power has been exerted." "

There is no suggestion at all that racism is an issue.
The current case is the only one so far.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/30/acid-attack-hospital-admissions-have-almost-doubled-in-last-10-years

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:10 AM

BBC April 2017
"Jaf Shah, executive director of Acid Survivors Trust International, said the current controls did not prevent people buying smaller quantities of acid.
"You don't need to have a large amount to cause serious physical and emotional damage," he said.
He said the UK-based charity, which advocates for victims worldwide, had become aware of increasing numbers of attacks in the UK over the last three to four years.
Attackers might choose acid as a weapon instead of a gun or knife because there were no penalties for possessing it, he said.
"On a global level, women are the majority of the victims. What we know in the UK is that the majority of perpetrators are young men, as are at least two-thirds of the victims," Mr Shah said. "The majority of the attackers are British white men and the majority of the victims are white men too.""
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39678059

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:40 AM

There is no suggestion at all that racism is an issue.
The current case is the only one so far.

No it isn't.

See the Twitter link I gave.

There is a difference between what it feels like to be a fighter in a gang war, or an accidental victim of gang warfare, and to be someone deliberately targeted by a coordinated army of racist soldiers.

I suppose we can expect hell to freeze over before the Keithbot ever lets slip one flicker of compassion for old people shut in their homes from fear of racist attack.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 07:09 AM

Jack, your Twitter link describes another attack but with no suggestion of a race motive.

You have no reason to make that personal slur about my compassion, and pretending that acid attacks are racist does not make you compassionate.

Both the victims and perpetrators are disproportionately white.

Are "old people shut in their homes from fear of racist attack" ?
Who says so?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 07:18 AM

"The majority of the attackers are British white men and the majority of the victims are white men too."
I've just put that up Keith
The operative word is "the majority" - you claim to have shown that none of these attacks are racist
Racist crimes of any type are in the minority compared to other violent crimes
Nobody is claiming otherwise - you are defending racism by claiming that none of these attacks are racially motivated, just as you claimed that the Manchester attack couldn't possibly have been racially motivated because the police claimed them to be gang related
You have had descriptions of ethnic gangs which have been formed as a protection against racist attacks on their communities - you chooose to ignore those facts, even though they come from the police and community workers
That's how dedicated you are in getting to the truth
Why are you making the defence of racism by denying its existence another of your crusades
The huge increase in racist attacks in Britain over the last year speaks for itself
You have yet to respond to that either
"A new study from University of Oslo reveals that anti-Semitism in Europe is far worse than originally thought"
Did you know that the Israili regime are now openly defending antisemitism in Hungary Bobad?
The ultra-right there issued an antisemitic poster attacking Jewish billionaire George Soros
Human rights Watch compared the poster to Nazi propaganda, Yossi Amrani, Israel's ambassador agreed and demanded a ban on the poster   
His bosses in Israel endorsed the call, but U-turned when they found that Soros gave money to charities which are critical of Netanyahu - they are now defending the poster.
So the Israeli regime has finally come out publicly declaring their own well-being to be more important than that of the Jewish People
That's from today's Times, by the way
There now follows a short period where the usual suspect will hastily scrabble round finding reasons why Israel's antisemitism should be defended and supported
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 10:21 AM

😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 10:25 AM

Jim, this is about UK acid attacks.
You and Jack seem to want them to be racist when they are not.

There have been hundreds of such attacks, but only one is said by the police to be racist.

The Independent last week,
"At this stage, however, the only acid attack being officially treated as a hate crime by police is the one on Ms Khan and Mr Muhktar."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/east-london-acid-attacks-muslim-resham-khan-jameel-muhktar-south-asian-residents-race-hate-crimes-a7821701.html
(address too long for linkmaker)

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 12:42 PM

Sorry - my laughter was directed at the same post deleted for the second time!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 01:09 PM

Why was it deleted?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 05:31 PM

Well, you know...😂

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: bobad
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:46 PM

Yes, we know.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:55 PM

Actually, you don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 04:35 AM

Fundraising for the victims:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40570602

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 05:10 AM

Good article. Ms Khan's letter is inspirational.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 01:04 PM

"but only one is said by the police to be racist."
The police are not a reliable source - they have admitted as much by stating that institutional racism is still a problem
Unless they produce facts proving they were not they, nor you have a case in claiming otherwise
INSTITUTIONAL RACISM
INSTITUTIONAL RACISM AGAIN
POLICE FAIL TO TAKE RACISM SERIOUSLY ON 40 OCCASIONS
"In 73 of the calls, Ebrahimi reported allegations including racial abuse, criminal damage and threats to kill, but police failed to record a crime on at least 40 of those occasions. Rather than seeing him as vulnerable, he was dismissed as a nuisance, the report said."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11655358/Met-chief-accepts-force-may-be-institutionally-racist.html
You will continue to ignore these facts, but it doesn't alter the fact that the police cannot be trusted on racce and they have admitted as much
You pair seem happy to accept that Israel is now tolerating antisemitism to protect its own arse - confirmed then - time for the "thread drift" ploy, even though it was Bobad who introducd the subject
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 01:16 PM

"but only one is said by the police to be racist."
The police are not a reliable source

Yes they are.
They alone have all the facts and evidence.

Do you have a better source Jim?
Give us some quotes, or are you just making shit up again?

You want the crimes to be racist.
It helps your lie that "Britain is a deeply racist country."

You are wrong Jim, as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jul 17 - 02:48 PM

AS I said - you choose to ignore the evidence, even from the police themselves, that racism is rife in the police force
No matter - it wasn't put up for your benefit
I suppose one has to admire the lengths you are prepared to go to to protect your friends and fellow travellers - until you rememnber that you would rather humiliate yourself rather than admit you have no case.
You've had the sources - even to the extent of somebody beiing beaten and burned to death after having reported racist threats over forty times to the police - not even worthy of response - Christian values, eh?
Want some more?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-drop-investigation-into-refugee-child-stabbed-by-racist-gang-and-tell-him-dont-go-out-alone-a7732866.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/east-london-acid-attack-latest-updates-john-tomlin-court-suspect-smiles-blow-kisses-a7835776.html

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/thugs-who-battered-boy-13-13260073

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-racism-hate-crime-figures-rise-white-british-being-attacked-a7360836.html

I think we're finished here - don't you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 05:23 AM

Jim, you are just pursuing your mad vendetta against all things British including, for all its faults, probably the most tolerant police force in the world.

If the attacks were racist, other organisations and victims would speak out.
You have seen quoted the British representative of The Acid Survivors Trust International. Nothing about the attacks being racist, except for just one out of over a thousand.

There were five such attacks in London last night.
The motive was theft of mopeds from delivery riders.

The whole issue is being debated in parliament next week.

You are proved wrong again Jim, but do keep up the comedy.
You are the only amusement in this whole terrible issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 07:27 AM

Oh dear no longer just about defending racism per se, but now specifically British racism
And still no response to the give facts - surprise, surprise
Silence is golden eh - seems about the only colour you're prepared to tolerate
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 09:20 AM

And another attack by a psycho on a moped:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/14/teenager-arrested-five-acid-attacks-london-90-minute-period/

As someone on Twitter says, "If we took the first one seriously, another 5 different acid attacks wouldn't have happened."

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 10:56 AM

Jim,
Oh dear no longer just about defending racism per se, but now specifically British racism

I have never defended any racism, British or otherwise.
If I have, QUOTE ME DOING IT, LIAR!

And still no response to the give facts - surprise, surprise

Unlike you, I have responded to every fact about acid attacks.
There have been hundreds, but only one was a hate crime.
Respond to that Jim, without lying if you can.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 10:59 AM

The point is, that these attacks are to facilitate the theft of mopeds, not the racism that Jack has been ranting about for days.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 11:17 AM

To be fair, Jack has stopped trying to link it to racism.
It is Jim alone who keeps making an utter fool of himself with his deranged obsessions.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 11:38 AM

You defended Boris calling babies piccaninnies, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 12:44 PM

I thought you were supposed to be in non-provocative mode...sick of wine and cheese?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 12:48 PM

Steve, if I have ever defended racism, QUOTE ME DOING IT, LIAR!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 12:53 PM

Was Boris being racist when he talked about piccaninnies, Keith? Steady now... 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 05:07 PM

To be fair, Jack has stopped trying to link it to racism.

No I haven't. Only some acid attacks are racist, but there are enough such to terrify whole populations into feeling they're potential targets. Which is what terrorism is intended to achieve.

London delivery riders have been targeted lately. Being proletarian in an exposed and friendless occupation makes you fair game for these thugs; ipso facto that's the sort of occupation non-white Londoners will be disproportionately forced into doing. Whether or not the attackers had racist intentions, the system that provided them with victims was racist.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/14/acid-attack-victim-jabed-hussain-delivery-drivers-have-felt-unsafe-for-months

And more. Acid attack threat on a gay Muslim after his wedding made the news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-40609482

Uncontrolled acid sales are exposing anybody who's put themselves on the line like that to deadly danger. Places that sell that stuff need to get their act together NOW.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism you don't read about
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 06:52 PM

Er, you tried to persuade us that Boris using the term piccaninny was not racist. Well a lot of us thought it definitely was, Keith.

Over to you.

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