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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Feb 24 - 03:07 AM I know you don't want to hear it but... Nevada :-( Saying it cannot happen when all evidence shows otherwise is a route to disaster |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Feb 24 - 11:40 AM Alito is giving the Colorado attorney a lot of grief, suggesting he isn't answering the questions. In fact it sounds like he's simply being confrontational, trying to change focus. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 08 Feb 24 - 11:38 AM MaJoC, I confess to being confused about the primary and caucus voting to choose party candidates but I did hear about this on the Planet America show I mentioned. I just found this article which explains why Haley chose not to be on the primary ballot because there was also a caucus vote. Reading the whole article helped me to get a bit more clarity about the primary and caucus voting: Nikki Haley loses to 'none of these candidates' in the Nevada GOP primary "Nikki Haley faced no major challenger Tuesday in Nevada’s presidential primary. "She still lost, according to NBC News projections. "Nevada voters in the state-run primary had a choice to reject all the candidates on the ballot, and they did just that — with more people choosing to vote for “none of these candidates” than for Haley. "Former President Donald Trump, far and away the front-runner for the Republican nomination, wasn’t on the same ballot as Haley because he is set to compete in party-run caucuses Thursday. "It was a stinging rebuke of Haley, the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations and South Carolina governor — and one that some party leaders had encouraged. The outcome in Nevada was Haley's third consecutive loss in an early-state primary contest. "Still, Haley's campaign indicated that the results wouldn't affect how long she'd stay in the race. "'Even Donald Trump knows that when you play penny slots, the house wins. We didn’t bother to play a game rigged for Trump. We’re full steam ahead in South Carolina and beyond,' spokesperson Olivia Perez-Cubas said." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 08 Feb 24 - 06:41 AM Remind me, please: In which state did Trump not appear on the ballot paper, only for the winner to be "none of the above"? |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 08 Feb 24 - 06:28 AM Trump has a small advantage in the Supreme Court today to stay on the Colorado ballot but the Court is damned if they do and damned if they don't. In such cases it is better to just do the right thing. There is a possibility Trump will lose. His lawyers will go first at 7:30 AM today. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 08 Feb 24 - 12:30 AM Yes, ABC here and ABC there! :-D When Trump was elected I also started watching the (American) ABC News with David Muir and others. Before that I never watched those shows but I really started to worry about the state of the world with Trump in charge. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Feb 24 - 11:20 PM I find those references to ABC interesting - because we have a national ABC network here also. The squiggly logo was the give away (along with the accents when I hit play). I'll take a look at those, thanks! |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 07 Feb 24 - 11:03 PM SRS, I should have searched for this before but I thought it wouldn't be available outside of Australia. I've been watching this show since the Trump adventures began. It's very balanced and insightful with some excellent guest interviews. Planet America A lot of what you say in this thread aligns with the commentary from the presenters, John Barron and Chas Licciardello. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Feb 24 - 10:53 PM Gotta love autocorrect, it didn't get the syntax of the word (it was probably fixing my typo - "backspace" is the key I use most often on the keyboard). They're talking about tomorrow's Supreme Court hearing; I don't know if I'll be able to listen live but I'm sure it will be rebroadcast ad nauseum. This to do with states taking him off of the ballot for participating in an insurrection. (On MSNBC tonight they're also talking about Clarence Thomas and Dark Money and Leonard Leo and tax laws and the court ethics laws - it feeds into the discussion because it's about how Trump was able to appoint those three justices, supported by Leo.) |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 07 Feb 24 - 09:05 PM All right, MaJoC, very funny! You win the Pick of the Nits today. I'd say that it's the people with power trying to "reign" him in. LOL US attorney-general says special counsel has completed a probe into allegations President Joe Biden mishandled documents "In short: US Attorney-General Merrick Garland has told congress an investigation into whether President Joe Biden mishandled classified documents dating to his time as vice-president was finished. "Special Counsel Robert Hur's report will be made public soon, Mr Garland said, adding the White House needed to complete a review of the document for potential executive privilege concerns. "Documents were found at Mr Biden's Delaware home and at a private office he used in between his service in the Obama administration and becoming president." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 07 Feb 24 - 07:19 PM Nit Pick of the Day: one reins in a bolting horse (eg Trump), esp if he wishes to reign. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Feb 24 - 06:32 PM The court that issued that ruling gave him only until Monday, Feb. 12 to take it to the Supreme Court, they're not letting him drag it out. That is the important thing, that they reign in his delay tactics. If they don't do anything by then, it goes back to Chutkin and she sets a date. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 07 Feb 24 - 05:40 PM US federal appeals court rejects Donald Trump's sweeping immunity claim "In short: A federal appeals court has ruled the former US president Donald Trump does not have blanket immunity in a case in which he has been charged with plotting to overturn his 2020 election defeat. "The court found that any "executive immunity" provided by the presidency no longer shielded him from prosecution. "What's next? The case will be paused until at least February 12 to give Mr Trump's team time to appeal to the US Supreme Court." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 07 Feb 24 - 02:24 PM Today there is a rare audio streaming from the Supreme Court regarding the 14th amendment on Trump's eligibility to run for PRESIDENT AGAIN. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Feb 24 - 02:26 PM Lots of moving parts when keeping track of Trump trials. There are two higher courts looking at his claims of immunity and his standing as far as appearing on ballots in states. Looking into the final verdict in the civil fraud trial that wrapped up last month, last Friday a spokesman for the New York State Office of Court Administration said "It’s looking like early to mid-February, as a rough estimate, and subject to modifications. But that’s the working plan now." In the E. Jean Carroll second trial, Trump has 30 days after the judgement to pay at least $90M, though she can't collect until after the appeal. Trump is trying to get the results overturned because Carroll's lead attorney worked in the same legal firm as the judge thirty years ago. He is the king of grasping at straws. He already dropped $5M in cash for the first Carroll verdict last year. In Business Insider they say A source familiar with the case, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to do so publicly, told Business Insider that Trump's $5.5 million was still there, pending the outcome of his appeal of that first verdict. An appellate court is set to eventually decide whether Carroll gets all, some, or none of that $5.5 million. The bond would cost him a lot more. Follow the link for that discussion. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 04 Feb 24 - 02:28 PM Regarding military spending, I think that the Ukraine situation was mentioned, but probably not military spending within the U.S. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Feb 24 - 01:23 PM I watch that program almost every week (when I remember). It was Washington Week In Review forever and had some standout hosts. Heartbreak when Gwen Ifill died (age 61). They have had different hosts over the years, not for so long. It is a recent development that they merged with The Atlantic magazine for this program. I don't remember hearing any particular revelations regarding the outlook for military spending on that program. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 04 Feb 24 - 12:53 PM Yesterday I watched this TV show for only the second time. As it happens this episode was about spending intentions of Biden compared with Trump, including military spending, and one of the comments was that Trump has made no statements about his spending intentions or his political aims in his campaign speeches. (Note: I suspect that his only intention in getting re-elected is to grant himself some pardons and do some damage to those he considers to be his political enemies.) PBS Washington Week With The Atlantic The info about the show is: "PBS Washington Week with The Atlantic is the longest-running primetime news and public affairs program on television. The show features a group of journalists participating in a weekly roundtable discussion of major news events. Moderated by Jeffrey Goldberg, Editor-in-Chief of The Atlantic." The episode I saw yesterday shows it as a preview now but the full episode should become available soon - I expect: Preview: Coming Up on Washington Week with The Atlantic Feb. 01, 2024 AT 7:23 p.m. EST Episode overview: "U.S. Retaliation Amid Middle East Chaos: "Earlier this week, President Biden told reporters that he has decided how the U.S. will respond to the Iran-backed militia drone attack that killed three American soldiers in Jordan on Sunday. The Biden administration has made it clear that the U.S. does not want war with Iran, as any plans to retaliate could further escalate tensions in the Middle East. "It’s unclear if the mounting foreign conflicts will spill over into the voting booth as Americans head for a potential Biden-Trump rematch this November. "Joining editor in chief of The Atlantic and moderator, Jeffrey Goldberg to discuss this and more: "Peter Baker, Chief White House Correspondent, New York Times "Susan Glasser, Staff Writer, The New Yorker "Lara Seligman, Defense Reporter, POLITICO "Nancy Youssef, National Security Correspondent, Wall Street Journal" |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Feb 24 - 10:21 AM Dick's dog whistle post (was the start of a new thread) has been moved over here because it boils down to a discussion of what crazy things would Trump do if he was elected again. We can see what Biden is attempting (though quiet diplomacy seems to be a concept beyond the pundits at FAUX news). Support of Ukraine, and still try for a two-state solution. Trump doesn't want either of those. Put briefly: the Democrats are the party that manages to reduce the national debt, though I don't know if Biden has been able to put a dent in what Trump generated in his four years. The intersection of COVID and the war in Ukraine may have made trimming impossible at this point. What Trump says and what he does are influenced and often exaggerated by the lunatic chorus in the House of Representatives (in particular). They say they want to spend less but then spend all of their time giving tax breaks to the rich and corporations to reduce revenue, following by cuts in essential services due to the revenue drop. Their spending on military things seems to remain the same (though they say they'll cut off Ukraine if Trump is elected. That's the foolish penny wise and pound foolish approach to world stability.) |
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Subject: BS: USA FOREIGN POLICY From: The Sandman Date: 04 Feb 24 - 04:54 AM The United States led the ranking of countries with highest military spending in 2022, with 877 billion U.S. dollars dedicated to the military. That constituted nearly 40 percent of the total military spending worldwide that year, which amounted to 2.2 trillion U.S. dollars.30 Nov 2023. Is there likely to be any difference if Republicans win an elewction instead of Democrats? Can any USA members know of any specific election promises relating to arms spending |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 02 Feb 24 - 07:22 PM McConnel's lament: the party's over INTRO. I always ew you're no good for us. Learning to lose took guts, Tore my shirt to stop your bleedin' But nothin' ever stops your liein And I'll call you when the party's over But nothin' is better sometimes Once we've both said our goodbyes Let's just let it go Let me let you go Verse: The party's over It's time to call it a day They've burst your petty balloon And taken your cash away It's time to wind up the masquerade Just make your mind up the piper must be paid The party's over The candles flicker and dim You golfed and dreamed through the night It seemed to be right just being the Don Now you must wake up, all dreams must end Take off your orange mask, the party's over It's all over, ass hole The party's over It's time to call it a day Now you must wake up, all dreams must end Take off your makeup, the party's over It's all over, ass hole |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 02 Feb 24 - 12:05 PM Thanks SRS. All I saw was an article which briefly mentioned the documents released and stated that Trump was one of the names listed. I confess, mea culpa, that as soon as I saw his name on the list I made the assumption that he was likely to have done some of the bad things. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Feb 24 - 09:02 AM Can someone explain how the Fundraising for the presidential campaigns fits in? The linked article (From Polico, an online news service founded in Washington) seems to indicate that the more money someone has, the more likely they are to be elected :-( I know there is a lot wrong with UK politics but I don't think we have that problem yet! Can you also tell me that the fundraising for Trump cannot go towards his legal bills? It reads as though it does but surely that is fraud. Not that that matters to Trump. A much more uplifting article from the same magazine (which I can understand) is 30 things about Biden you might have missed. Fire these back at Biden detractors. Not that they will take any nitice but at least it is good ammunition |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 02 Feb 24 - 07:29 AM Clinton was "named" too, Helen, which only means mentioned as having associated with Epstein. Neither Clinton nor Trump was accused of wrongdoing. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/03/jeffrey-epstein-list-clinton-trump/72086945007/ |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 01 Feb 24 - 08:19 PM Thanks Lighter, I knew I had heard of the Steele dossier before. I guess Trump thinks that if a case doesn't work out for him in the U.S. he can try it on again in the U.K. SRS, I agree. I laughed out loud at this bit: Trump "...accused a former British spy of making 'shocking and scandalous claims' that were false and harmed his reputation". Huh??!! What does he think his reputation looks like to everyone? The way to "harm" his reputation would be to polish it up and make him look like a saint ... which he ain't. Which reminds me, didn't his name get revealed in the documents released about the Jeffrey Epstein case? |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 01 Feb 24 - 05:37 PM Wikipedia: "On March 24, 2022, Trump filed a RICO lawsuit in the US District Court for the Southern District of Florida against Clinton, Steele, and many others.[543] The case was dismissed on September 8, 2022. The judge wrote that "despite the numerous references to [Steele] in Trump's lawsuit, 'none specifically attribute any false statement about Plaintiff to him'".[544]" |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Feb 24 - 03:07 PM Since it has been proven in court here in the US that Trump partakes in "perverted sexual acts" he really can't make the case over in the UK or Russia. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 01 Feb 24 - 01:27 PM Another lawsuit has not gone in Trump's favour (I've copied the first half of the article): Donald Trump lawsuit over allegations of 'perverted sexual acts' in Russia dismissed by UK court "In short: A judge has thrown out a lawsuit which former US president Donald Trump brought against a former British spy, whose dossier containing allegations of ties between Mr Trump and Russia caused a political storm in 2017. "The so-called Steele dossier claimed Mr Trump also engaged in "perverted sexual acts" in Russia, which Mr Trump has always denied. "What's next? A judge ruled there were "no compelling reasons" for Mr Trump's claim to proceed to a trial, and he is yet to comment publicly. "A judge in London's High Court threw out a lawsuit by former US president Donald Trump on Thursday, which accused a former British spy of making "shocking and scandalous claims" that were false and harmed his reputation. "Mr Trump, the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, had sued private investigations firm Orbis Business Intelligence about claims in a dossier written by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, who co-founded the firm. "The so-called Steele dossier alleged ties between Mr Trump's campaign and Russia. "Mr Trump, 77, said in a witness statement made public in October that he brought the case to prove claims in the dossier, published by the BuzzFeed website in 2017, that he engaged in "perverted sexual acts" in Russia, were false. "The uncorroborated allegations caused a political storm just before Mr Trump's inauguration in January 2017. "Mr Steele, who once ran the Russia desk for Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, also known as MI6, was paid by Democrats to compile research that included salacious allegations that Russians could potentially use to blackmail Mr Trump." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Jan 24 - 12:23 PM Last night on PBS (Public Broadcasting System) the documentary program Frontline took a look at the reason for the cases around Trump. 90 minutes well spent should you choose to watch it (and if it is available in your country. Might want to use a VPN with a US IP if you can't see it from there.) A Guide to the Criminal Cases Against Donald Trump As FRONTLINE examines in the new documentary Democracy on Trial, some of those charges against Trump — who is now the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination — stem from his election loss in 2020 and his role in widespread efforts to overturn the results. See the list of cases by following the link at the top. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 31 Jan 24 - 10:23 AM FUNNY Helen The Kingdom, the Power and the Glory American evangelism in the age of extremism by Tim Alberta https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/01/evangelicals-american-politics-tim-alberta-book-excerpt-00129319 The Trump Messiah Project There is also a Homeschooling branch of evangelicals teaching Holy Trumpism |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 31 Jan 24 - 01:27 AM I'm proposing a new entry in the dictionary: not "temper tantrums" but "temper tanTrumps". What do you think? I'm sure the tanTrumps will be multiplying over the next few months at least, but probably until the election and its aftermath. We've already seen the post E. Jean Carroll settlement tanTrump. :-D |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 30 Jan 24 - 07:04 PM Most likely a Trump supporter made an anonymous call for SWAT to respond to a shooting of a female at Nikki Halley's house. Only her elderly parents were home and were greeted by dozens of hair-trigger automatic weapons and fully armored 'troops'. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 30 Jan 24 - 06:32 PM Jean looked at Trump, sized him up, and saw he was a big nothing. The chair of the RNC tried to publicly cancel the primary vote by declaring Trump the winner now that he has 32 of the 1,215 delegate votes required to win. That is like dismissing 69 million voters. It is such a bad look for the Republican Party that they walked it back. Canceling elections sounded like the easy MAGA thing to do. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Jan 24 - 10:20 PM Rachel Maddow and E. Jean cut Trump down to size this evening. The introduction was excellent - giving an overview of the journalistic career of Elizabeth Jean Carroll. And the revelation that E. Jean made in court - he's not so big and isn't scary when he's cut down to size in court. He doesn't like it when the judge has him under control. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 29 Jan 24 - 07:00 PM I HAVE BEEN TOLD GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS SO "Trump IS doing God's work for this country, and that's why I'll stay with him to the end." EX General Flynn is doing all the church work on that end of the Trump campaign. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 29 Jan 24 - 04:15 PM I didn't read the article, Helen. Thanks for posting more of it. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 28 Jan 24 - 04:56 PM More from the article I quoted from in the interview with Bernie Sanders: "'The average American worker today, his or her wages are lower than they were 50 years ago, parents are worried about their kids who might have a lower standard of living than they do,' Senator Sanders said. "'People are feeling that government does not listen, does not understand their pain. And they are turning to somebody who says: 'Forget all of that. I've got the answer. Don't worry about democracy. I'll take care of it for you.' "While Senator Sanders doesn't blame ordinary Americans for putting their faith in former president Trump, he says the consequences of a Trump victory would be dire for the entire world. "'Everything is at stake … If the United States moves in an authoritarian way, it will certainly send a signal to every country on Earth that, that's the future of politics.' Senator Sanders said of Donald Trump. "'He's a phoney, he's a pathological liar. But I'm afraid his appeal is working.'" ..... "'I don't want to speculate about the what-ifs, what should have happened, Biden is the candidate and our job is … to make it very clear that Biden has done some good things … I think he's not getting the credit for what he has done.' "'What we have got to make clear to ordinary Americans is you may not like everything that Biden has done, maybe you think he's too old … but you know what? The alternative is a hell of a lot worse'." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 28 Jan 24 - 03:13 PM Lighter, did you read the whole article? I couldn't decide which bits to quote because it was all relevant. I think what he said is fairly similar to what you just said. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 28 Jan 24 - 03:02 PM I think Bernie is living in the past. I don't believe Trump or any of associates has ever said a word about raising wages, strengthening unions, or addressing economic problems other than slapping tariffs on imports. They're not even promising more tax cuts (but wait till the election gets closer). After more than a decade, Republicans still offer no replacement for Obamacare for the non-wealthy, which they continually promise to revoke. Low wages and the like undoubtedly contribute to the broad resentment of American society by many working-class GOP supporters, but they rarely mention it, except to assert that immigrants are going to steal their jobs and sponge off their taxes. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 28 Jan 24 - 02:46 PM I thought I had linked this article from the Royal Society before but I cannot find it now. Makes a lot of sense and explains the appeal to so many. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 28 Jan 24 - 02:35 PM An interview on Australian TV: Bernie Sanders says US is facing an inequality crisis and Donald Trump is not the answer "Bernie Sanders doesn't blame ordinary Americans for succumbing to the appeal of Donald Trump. "'I want the people of Australia to understand it's not because everybody who votes for Trump is a racist, or a sexist or a homophobe,' US Senator Sanders told 7.30. "According to Senator Sanders, the leader of the US progressive movement who campaigned twice for nomination for president, much of the response to Mr Trump is driven by economic conditions. "'Millions of people are hurting, they're suffering,' Senator Sanders said." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 28 Jan 24 - 01:41 PM Trump supporter in Las Vegas (CNN): "Trump is doing God's work for this country, and that's why I'll stay with him to the end." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Jan 24 - 12:43 PM I think E. Jean Carroll will be interviewed again on the Rachel Maddow Show on Monday (Jan. 29 on MSNBC). She is 80 and is going to have to wait through appeals and foot dragging, but Trump has to already cough up the money so it is for now in limbo in the court coffers. She says she has to think about what to do with it (foundation-wise, one assumes), but for now, she plans to start giving her two dogs premium dog food. This is the woman who Trump insists is dining out on the fame and proceeds of his past attention. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 28 Jan 24 - 09:06 AM Make America Wait Again... to address Climate change, Immigration reform, Racial harmony, Gun reform, Responsible journalism, Federalism, Electoral College (somehow worse than real college) A political Supreme Court Free Elections That is if Trump wins. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 27 Jan 24 - 12:58 PM Thanks Lighter for the info on votes in 2020 compared with 2016. It will be interesting to compare with this year's votes. I'm wondering whether his supporter numbers are less since his legal troubles began and I'm thinking the attendance numbers at his rallies and events might be an indication. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 27 Jan 24 - 10:33 AM Trump follower: "I don't care how much they gave her. It didn't happen. If it happened, why didn't she scream? Why did she wait thirty years to bring charges? Nobody saw anything. And these judges won't let him defend himself in court. "Plus it was a New York jury. They hate Trump in New York." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 27 Jan 24 - 08:05 AM He received eleven million more votes in 2020 than in 2016. 2016: 63 million. 2020: 74 million. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 26 Jan 24 - 10:02 PM Is there any information available on whether the numbers of people attending his rallies and events are significantly less than in his 2016 campaign? I'm thinking that that might be an indication of whether he is losing support from the people who would have voted for him back then. I'm wondering whether there is a site which has comparative statistics. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 26 Jan 24 - 09:53 PM It has already changed his behavior. He did not continue to defame Jean tonight. While an appeal may cut the amount we seem to be speaking his language now. Navarro and Steve Bannon both got 4 months in jail. Fox News Corp is looking at a 2.7 billion dollar lawsuit from Smartmatic voting machines. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Jan 24 - 07:18 PM By the time he pays off Carroll and the 350 million or so the State of New York attorney general is asking for (a summary judgment has already found him guilty of inflating those values - the judge needs to name the penalty) pundits figure Trump is going to have to start selling properties to pay the bills. |
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