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Lyr Add: All in a Garden Green (R Dyer-Bennett) In Mudcat MIDIs: All in a Garden Green |
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Subject: Lyr Add: ALL IN A GARDEN GREEN^^ From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 13 Jul 00 - 08:43 PM ALL IN A GARDEN GREEN All in a garden green Two lovers sat at ease Withdrawn where they could scarce be seen Among the leafy trees They long had loved y-fair And no longer than true-ly In that time of the year In that time of the year Comes twixt May and July. Quoth he, "Oh, lovely maid, My troth will aye endure. So be yet ye-e-e not afraid But rest thee still secure That I will love thee long As life in me shall last Now I am young and strong Now I am young and strong And when my youth is past. From singing of Richard Dyer-Bennett, in the 50s. DRO^^ |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: All In A Garden Green From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 13 Jul 00 - 09:04 PM There's more to the songl; see Wm. Chappell's PMOT, I, p. 110-11. I've seen the original of it in Folger Shakespeare Library MS V.a. 339. It's one of John Payne Collier's forgeries. Collier gave it (and several others) from his 'old' manuscript to Chappell, who put it in PMOT. (See Collier file on my website). The original "All in a garden green", unkown to Collier, is ZN70 in the broadside ballad index on my website. www.erols.com/olsonw |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: All In A Garden Green From: Alan of Australia Date: 01 Aug 00 - 09:11 AM G'day, Thanks to Ivan the tune for "All In A Garden Green" can be found here at the Mudcat MIDI site. Ivan says: This was prepared by transcribing from a .wav of Dave Oesterreich's singing the first verse. I've also sent Joe Offer the NoteWorthy file for it. Don't know much about it, but I found the tune in an abc of the 1651 Playford Book, so I guess it's pretty well traditional.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: All In A Garden Green From: GUEST,markus.svensson@home.se Date: 07 Aug 02 - 04:58 AM Anyone who can help me how to sing the lyrics to the midi. I get lost at In that time of the year, In that time of the year. |
Subject: Lyr Add: ALL IN A GARDEN GREEN From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 10 Aug 02 - 04:46 PM There does seem to be something a little odd about it. This may perhaps be due to changes made by Dyer-Bennett; I'm none too sure. Since changes have been made, though, and since the original song is considerably longer, I'll quote the whole thing as Chappell published it. You'll notice a slightly different repeat pattern from the text given above: ALL IN A GARDEN GREEN Lyrics are embedded in the midi file. In case you aren't able to read those, I'll try to indicate scansion for the first verse. Dashes after words indicate additional notes to be sung; so that year,- - for example, is to be slurred over three notes. All in a gar-den greenIn the last line, Chappell appears to indicate two syllables for and and one for July; it sings more comfortably the other way about, of course. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: All In A Garden Green From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 10 Aug 02 - 08:58 PM In that ti-i-ime of the ye-e-ear, with the rising series of notes on "time and year". If I understood your problem, that should take care of it. I have to say that (no surprise here) I prefer the text I posted, so far as it overlaps what's given last above. Specifically I'm thinking of the line I give as "Withdrawn where they could scarce be seen" as opposed to "As they could scarce be seen among", for two reasons: One, "As they could scarce be seen among" doesn't make much sense, to me at least. Two, "As they could scarce be seen among" forces a repetition of "among", which further, to my ear and mind, is nonsensical. The scansion problem with the line, Com-eth 'twixt May and Ju-ly" referred to is caused by "cometh" throwing the rhythm of the line off. I understand that line to be Comes twixt May and Ju-ly, thus not crowding "May and July". It's a really lovely, elegant tune, and well worth learning the song. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: All In A Garden Green From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 10 Aug 02 - 09:28 PM As you say; nevertheless, the original song is, so far as I know, as Chappell printed it, including the repetition of "among", which is a standard thing for the period, though perhaps a little unfamiliar to modern ears. Doubtless Dyer-Bennett made what he felt were improvements. |
Subject: Lyr Add: ALL IN A GARDEN GREEN (Natalia Macfarren) From: masato sakurai Date: 10 Aug 02 - 09:42 PM How to sing the last line is differently shown in (1) Chappell, Popular Music of the Olden Time; (2) Chappell, Old English Popular Music, rev. by H. Ellis Wooldrige ([1893]; reprinted Jack Brussel, 1961, pp. 79-80); (3) Tom Kines, Songs from Shakespeare' Plays (Oak, 1964, p. 74). Of course, it is impossible to sing like (1). The score given in Claude M. Simpson, The British Broadside Ballad and Its Music (p. 10; from Ballet's MS Lute Book, p. 56) has two minims (half notes) for the last bar.
(1) [In that time of the year,] [of the year Com-] [eth 'twixt May(2 quavers) and] [July(1 semibreve)]
There's another set of new words in J. Oxenford, Old English Ditties (Selected from W. Chappell's Popular Music of the Olden Time), vol. II (Chappell & Co., [1884?], pp. 84-85; with piano score):
ALL IN A GARDEN GREEN
All in a garden green
"He cast no look on me, ~Masato
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: All In A Garden Green From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 10 Aug 02 - 10:00 PM Good point about the notation in Simpson, which I should have compared with Chappell PMOT (unfortunately I don't have his earlier work). The only real difficulty in phrasing (from my point of view) lies in the last line, where two minims certainly makes better sense on the face of it; though it actually sounds quite uncomfortable in practice. I'm thinking, though, that Dyer-Bennett's source is likely to have been Chappell, so I'll stick by my earlier comments for the time being. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: All In A Garden Green From: masato sakurai Date: 16 Aug 02 - 11:15 PM Score from Simpson is HERE (The Music of the Sixteenth Century Broadside Ballad). ~Masato |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: All In A Garden Green From: GUEST Date: 17 Aug 02 - 01:46 AM The tune at that click-on is just a printout from my ABC at www.erols.com/olsonw. Greg Lindahl (webmaster for the SCA Minstrel website) did that for all the 16th century ballad tunes on my website. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: All In A Garden Green From: GUEST Date: 17 Aug 02 - 02:03 AM Here's a bit of the original. Only 4 verses to it, but that's still a lot of lines
A merry new ballad, of a countrye wench and a clowne.To a fine tune
All in a garden greene,
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: All In A Garden Green From: GUEST Date: 18 Aug 02 - 01:28 AM All of the original (a seduction ballad) can now be seen in the Scarce Songs 2 file at www.erols.com/olsonw |
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