Origins: Turn, Turn, Turn (Pete Seeger)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 04:19 PM

KimC- and if your hair grows right, and your pants are tight it's gonna be alright

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 06:41 PM

i have the lyrics, but i can't post 'em til tomorrow. i am legally 'allowed' to post them right? well, in any case, i will try to, unless i find an email at the end of this already huge list of emails telling me that i shouldn't and then you can all have it, and sing it yourselves along with bob or the byrds or whoever the heck you want. sharon

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Gary T
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 06:56 PM

Thank you, Sharon. The lyrics were made available in the 4th post, by Mbo. The word "here" in that post is blue (what we call a "blue clicky thing") , which means if you click on it with your mouse it takes you somewhere--in this case to the lyrics in the Mudcat database (called Digital Tradition).

You may find it helpful to look through the thread at the top of the threads list, colored teal, titled "Mudcat FAQ - Newcomer's Guide". It explains a lot of these types of details, which makes it easier and quicker to enjoy the Mudcat Cafe.

Welcome!

(Typically these messages are called "posts", the long string of them is called a "thread". "e-mail" is different, it goes straight from person to person and comes up in a different part of your computer, often called the "mailbox". When you're on the Mudcat, you're on the World-Wide Web [hence the 'www' you type into the location box on your computer's web browser]. Both e-mail and the Web are features of the Internet. Hopes this helps you some. Regards, Gary)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 07:00 PM

Uh, GUEST.......The lyrics have already been linked and are already in the Digitrad database in any case. No need to post them again.

And Leej.......Interestingly enough, I think that Shaker men wore tight pants.....celibate and all, ya' know?(:<))

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: CamiSu
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:02 PM

Leej I know this is way back there, but if there is no such person as Pete Seeger, Who was that running 20 minutes over on my stage (throwing my whole schedule into a cocked hat) and why hasn't anyone told Toshi?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:16 PM

There is no Toshi either. Unlike Pete Seeger, who has been portrayed by the same actor all these years, one Byron L. Palmer, the role of Toshi has been handled by three different actresses, the latest having taken over the part in October of 1986. Previously, Anna Chalmers had been playing an aging harlot on "One Life To Live."

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:20 PM

Oh sweet Mother of all that is Holy that cracked me up. This thread is a classic study in turning sow's ears to silk purses. Or vice versa.

LEJ tears of laughter running down my nose

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:40 PM

Thanks for that folk den link - I just clicked on it and listened to his July selection, which is the Star Spangled Banner with the later verses I didn't know existed. Not the way it's normally sung I believe. More like the way it ought to be - snatching victory from the jaws of defeat, and no trace of arrogance.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: bob jr
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:42 PM

did you know that mary hopkins went on to marry famed bowie producer tony visconti (its her doing the doo doot bits at the begining of sound and vision of bowies low album) then to keep the beattle connection going tony divorced mary and married john lennon's ex-mistress may pang ? (who i dont think ever covered turn turn turn)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Bugsy
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:43 PM

No, After much thought and research, I'm SURE it was the BYRDS who performed "Turn, Turn, Turn" NOT the BEATLES.

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Christopher Neylan
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 08:47 PM

A connection maybe.... I remember seeing an interview with McGuinn where he talks about discovering the electric 12 string when he saw George Harrison playing one. Chris.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 09:04 PM

I think another connection is more likely. Yoko Ono once worked in a sweatshop factory that made the dashboard dolls with the springy heads and gave one to McGuinn which he put in his Humber saloon. It was sadly broken when a Rick-12 was thrown through the windshield as he passed a horse caravan on its way to Newmarket.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 09:08 PM

It occurs to me that some source of the confusion here may stem from a John Lennon song that was recorded for Magical Mystery Tour, then dropped when they couldn't fit it into the movie. The song is called Turn, Turn, Turn the Buggers Round

Turn
Turn
Turn the buggers 'round
The devil's in the details
And your parrot's in the pound
The pink-toenailed ambassador
Is waltzing with the clown
They've spent the evening getting pissed
At The Scepter and the Crown
So turn the buggers round today

While Lennon called this song a triumph of surrealism, McCartney later called it "so much psychedelic rubbish." Harrison said "it wasn't too bad" and Starr couldn't remember ever having heard it.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,Mbo_at_ECU
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 09:18 PM

DAng I love Magical Mystery Tour! Man, EJ, that sounds like a cool song! Fits in perfect with "I Am The Walrus". Wish they wouldn't have dropped it...

--Matt

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 09:55 PM

Well ya' see Meebo...........

Its not well known of course, but most of us on the 'Cat became aware some time ago that LEJ who we call Leej, is in reality, JEL........John Lennon. The whole Chapman thing was a set-up to capitalize on the songs he had written both before and after the Beatle break-up and to screw McCarthy out of future royalties. McCarthy of course never has been let in on this and neither has Yoko which was the other benefit of this devilishly clever scheme.

Yoko had become excessively domineering and indeed planned to divorce him and begin a new career playing the role of Toshi Seeger, but was turned down for the part when she opened her mouth and began singing "This Land Is Your Land" in her native tongue of Banshee.

We hope by letting you in on this secret that you'll whoa up on the enthusiasm for all things ELO and realize that Jeff Lynne is also Leej/John Lennon and has been masquerading as a Radio Shack thermistor for almost 20 years now.

John/Jeff/Leej...that's one helluva' song pardner!!! LMAO!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: JenEllen
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 10:58 PM

WOW! *starry-eyed girl* That would explain why you never see Leej/Lynne/Lennon in the same place.....devilishly clever is RIGHT!!

Of course, Meebs, he still gets terribly sad every summer when the screaming of fan belts reminds him of his dear, darling Yoko. We all know the truth, evidenced by the nudey Rolling Stone cover framed in the 'Shack, and the Bobbin' Head McGuinn parked there on the register. Thankfully, due to the general dumbing down of the American youth that parades through summer job hell, Leej/John/Jeff has been able to go unindentified for years.

~Elle (the pink-toenailed ambassador)

This is turn, turn, turning into a real load....you guys oughta haul it over to the garden thread!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 11:45 PM

Dear Marcellin, if you are still there, we all hope you haven't given up on the Mudcat because of all this craziness. At least you got some sort of answer to your original question. And you can take pride in the fact that you started a thread which will undoubtedly wind up in the Mudcat Hall of Fame. So hang in there, and keep posting. In fact, you should become a member -- it's easy and free and fun.

Aloha,
Mark

P.S. Is it all right if I let everybody know that you're really John Sebastian?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mbo
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 11:49 PM

Mark, you mean the guy who wrote "Bach in the U.S.S.R"?

--Matteo

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: JenEllen
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 02:23 AM

Mbo, I thought that was Lenin????

~Elle with *beseg*

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 03:37 AM

Well, guys, I guess it's just a daydream to think that a younger girl would know that name, and even Nashville cats (or Carolina cats) may not be in the know. I mean, did you ever have to make up your mind and try to figure out if it's rain on the roof you hear or just someone whispering "Darlin' be home soon?" Welcome back.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Gary T
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 08:38 AM

Hey, Spaw, is McCarthy the replacement guy they got when Paul McCartney died? (BG)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Kim C
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 10:05 AM

Leej, I am over 30 now and way past tight pants. On occasion, however, I can still get away with short skirts. But I haven't figured out how to make that rhyme.

I did want to be a rock-n-roll star. But God made me a fiddler instead. :) turn, turn, turn..........

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mbo
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 10:16 AM

The Byrds wrote and sang a rulin' song called "So You Want To Be a Rock & Roll Star?" so there may still be hope...

--Matt

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 10:53 AM

Geeziz Gary...Ya' got me and I may as well let it all out on this thread. I could simply say it was a typo, but.......The reality is that it was a Freudian slip.

OHMYGAWD.....I GOTTA' LET IT OUT!!!!!!!!....I WANNA' TESTIFY............uh, so to speak........

Paul is really the bastard son of "Tail Gunner Joe" and made the spelling change to cover his shame. THERE!! Its finally out and I feel so much better..........

Spaw-----Hey Mark, take a spoonful of medicine......

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: JenEllen
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 12:47 PM

Mark;
What's up there Tigerlily? Dontcha know us Nashville Kittens know better than to step right in it?

~Elle (Still a mystery, singing them Night Owl Blues...)

McCarthy and Yoko......omigawd, the possibilites are endless. I defer to Master of the Gases...Take 'er away Spaw....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 02:00 PM

Actually JE, the ONLY connection between Yoko and the senator from Minnesota was in that McCarthy claimed to have a list of 254 known communists and Yoko claimed to have a list of her 254 greatest hits. As is well known, BOTH lists were, in reality, blank.

Oh yeah, there was the story floating around that neither of them could differentiate between Roy Cohn and their own assholes which they each dearly loved..........So that'd be TWO things in common I guess. Of course very few people are so enamored of their own assholes as Senator McCarthy and Yoko Ono, but most of us can't tell the difference between Roy Cohn and an asshole either.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 03:09 PM

Here's another clue for you all: The Walrus was Spaw.

Mark...did you ever hear any of John Sebastian's Dad's harmonica work? He was probably the premier classical harmonica virtuoso in the world in the 40s and 50s

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mbo
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 03:20 PM

You shouldn't be messing around with those glass onions, EJ. They can wreak havoc, do y'know what I mean? Yeah yeah. So J.S. Bach's father was a master of the blues harpsichord?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 06:11 PM

Lovin' it, 'Spaw!

As Leo Kottke said, Bach had so many children because his organ didn't have any stops. Guess we'd better put a stop to that one PDQ. Besides, we all know who Leo Kottke really is.

Are you getting all this, Marcellin? There will be a quiz next week.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 06:49 PM

Ohmygawd.....Mark, when you mentioned Bach, something clicked, switched on so to speak, and I realized that A large part of his problems with excessive procreation were the fault of his wife as well. When they met he was penniless and they moved into her home which was built in the shape of a large, hi-top, button up, shoe. Though he felt like a heel, his rampant sex drive combined with her willigness, became the soul of their relationship which arched up each evening within them. Some said it would never last, that the gossip's tongues would be wagging, but the couple towed the line and somehow managed to keep a straight-laced appearance in the eye of the public.

One writer from the period wrote a little ditty about them and specifically about her flaming nymphomania.
There was an old woman who lived in a shoe.
She had so many children because she DID know what to do.
Attorneys were hired, and the writer, an old shriveled-up hag named Goose, decided to change it to forestall the lawsuit and another nursery rhyme was born.

But Mark???? Do we have to come clean on Kottke too?

Spaw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 02 - 03:44 PM

I'm pretty certain that it was The Byrds who did this

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Noreen
Date: 20 Jun 02 - 03:51 PM

I'm so glad you cleared that one up for us, GUEST. We've been waiting nearly two years for your opinion on the matter.. :0)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: JenEllen
Date: 20 Jun 02 - 03:55 PM

Yeah, but is Leej really John Lennon....There never was a definitive on that one....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Hrothgar
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 02:40 AM

No, GUEST is John Lennon.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 12:55 PM

Giving an FNG a hard time, are we, Noreen? I think (?) what GUEST meant to say was "refresh". Even though I couldn't afford to buy many records in those days,I bought "Those were the days" when it came out, more or less the way people buy bottles of port for laying down. I thought to myself, in years to come I'll play this record and it will remind me of my youth. I suppose people in the City would call that investing in nostalgia futures. Only trouble is, I've no idea where the record is now! But I heard it on the radio recently and I had a little moment. Actually "turn turn turn" gives me quite a feelgood feeling as well when I hear it. If I hadn't seen this thread I wouldn't have known about the McGuinn/Lynne linkup, so I've learnt something today.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 01:02 PM

Yes, An Pluiméir Ceolmhar

My comment was a lighthearted 'refresh' In fairness, I think Noreen's reply was meant to be lighthearted as well.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Haruo
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 05:09 PM

Sorcha, that "Ecclesiastes" you see in the Christian Bible was crossposted (mogendavidposted?) from the Hebrew one. Where he goes by "Qoheleth".

I thought it was a Judy Collins song. I know.

Liland

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 07:00 PM

I just located Marcellin Chiasson, and sent him a link to this thread and an invitation to join the 'Cat. If you're still wondering who he is, you'd better ask Sinsull: his name is an anagram of I'm really a conch, Sins! (well, it would be if his middle initial is "Y"). I'm not sure if this molluscan connection has any relation to an octopus' garden...

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Jun 02 - 08:05 PM

refresh

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Noreen
Date: 23 Jun 02 - 07:27 PM

Refresh/repeat for An Pluiméir Ceolmhar :

:0)

(You see me giving people a hard time?? hmmm...)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: lady penelope
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:09 PM

My Dad's got a copy of "Those were the days" I used to sing along to it when I was about 8. Then they made me sing it for a school version of A midsummer's night dream and I've been trying to forget about it for years.

Mind you he aslo bought a copy of Jocker Cocker doing "With a little help from my friends" and for years we just assumed it was left by one of my 90million cousins on a stay over. We were shocked, my Dad's very much a jazz , swing and easy listening merchant, this was astonishing. He then compounded that by gleefully bringing home an album he'd found in a rummage sale at the CoOp at Hammersmith, by The Groove! This from the man who hates ( well, is very unimpressed by ) the Beatles.

I amanged a small quotient of kudos by having such records as my teenage group were all born again hippies.

Isn't great when you find stuff like that out about your parents?

TTFN M'Lady P.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:17 PM

I feel I should point out that "Turn, Turn, Turn" was never recorded by the Beatles, but by the Byrds ....

Murray

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:20 PM

Thanks Murray!

I was never too sure. You've just cleared up a family argument.

Thanks again

Ian

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: lady penelope
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:20 PM

I've got that feeling of deja voo..............

TTFN M'lady P.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 06:56 PM

Yeah, Liland, Judy Collins did it too, a fair rendering, but she didn't write it. Did St Paul write Ecclesiastes along with all his other epistles? T.B.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 24 Jun 02 - 08:01 PM

If there was ever any doubt, it appears that Murray has cleared it up with that succinct post. So let it be written. So let it be done.

Lonesome "Non-John" EJ

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: rangeroger
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 12:59 AM

Tattie Bogle, the book of Ecclesiastes is from the Old Testament and indications are that it was written by King Solomon.

rr

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 01:28 AM

But Al Gore says he wrote it.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 05:35 AM

Never believe claims of authorship on first sight, after all, someone from several other threads (who I won't name) claims to have written all of the "Tek War" books, as well as a few Star Trk books.
The quote from Ecclesiastes is also used as a last message from a computer on the death of Robinton, "The MasterHarper of Pern" Masato at least will recognise the source.

As for all these people who have been claimed to not exist, is that the origin of the American comment "Close, but no Seeger" ?

Nigel

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Turn, Turn, Turn by Beatles
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jun 02 - 09:48 AM

Obviously what this country needs is a good five-string Seeger!

But, just for the record, it was the Byrds who recorded "Turn, Turn, Turn"; the Beatles never did. Sorry to rain on the parade and all... :>)

A