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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: alison Date: 14 Oct 00 - 09:48 AM Mbo, there are a lot of people here who care about you, and have offered you help and advice many times .... sure they don't all share your taste in music.... but it'd be a dull place if we all agreed with each other all of the time.... your song above is offensive, and comes across as a kick in the teeth to any of the people who have tried to help..... this isn't the first time you've said you were leaving and received all the "don't go" messages.... it's wearing very thin.... as is the sulking in hearme....time to grow up... and try to give back even a little of the respect that others have tried to give you..... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: kendall Date: 14 Oct 00 - 10:30 AM Sophocleese you made me laugh right out lous for the first time today...thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: GUEST Date: 14 Oct 00 - 11:34 AM click |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Troll Date: 14 Oct 00 - 11:46 AM Thanks GUEST. So we didn't get ALL the words. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Mooh Date: 14 Oct 00 - 11:50 AM Oh brother, here we go again. Yeah, Mbo adds to the wonderful world of Mudcat. So do lots of others. But for goodness sake let's keep our perspective. Gone or not, he's the boy who cried wolf if there ever was one. To swipe Soph's metaphor/analogy, he's being paper-trained at our collective expense. I just wish that he'd curb the crap postings and keep adding worthy postings because it's getting to the point where I avoid reading him if there's even a wiff of his bs. Thanks Soph, for the laugh. Oh yeah, and Mbo, assuming you're reading this, are you coming back next week or what? Mooh (using an Oasis disc as a coaster). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: wysiwyg Date: 14 Oct 00 - 12:06 PM I only have the school number. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 14 Oct 00 - 12:28 PM LOL!!!! This place just gets funnier and funnier... He even came back in to make sure we knew where his 'message' lyrics came from!! LOL!!!!!!!! I used to be like that too... when I was 14.... LOL!!!!!! *pauses to wipe away laughter tears* This place is priceless... Catters fall all over themselves better than Jackie Chan!! LOL!!! Film at 11... <-: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Metchosin Date: 14 Oct 00 - 12:28 PM Well my Shooglenifty friend, you've created quite a stir...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: wysiwyg Date: 14 Oct 00 - 12:43 PM I SO DUMB. DUBBLE-DUH! Me Red Cross AND pastor's wife, it only occurs to me NOW to call Father TOM!!!!! (I'm still smarter than you though!!) These things can take time. I'll let you know! LOL!!! I so DUMB!!! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: GUEST,Name Withheld Date: 14 Oct 00 - 01:03 PM I'm very worried about Matt/Mbo. For several weeks, he has frequently repeated that "Now That I've Taken My Life" is his favorite song. I hope that he was not dropping clues. I think that Kendall has been very mean to him and I hope that he hasn't gone over the edge. I know that I'll be flamed for posting as a guest. I don't care. I needed to say this and don't need the judgemental flames of Kendall and his friends coming down on me.
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Sorcha Date: 14 Oct 00 - 01:06 PM I just had an e mail from him, and he is not doing the suicide thing. There are other things wrong, but not that, so those of us who care can give a sigh of relief. Those of you who don't can go on about your business. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: SINSULL Date: 14 Oct 00 - 01:19 PM I like Matthew and if he is gone from Mudcat, I will miss him. But I actually am glad to see that he is moving on to "real" people. That is where he belongs. He owes a lot to some of the people here and the Matthew I know appreciates it. That applies to any of you who risked hurting his feelings or bringing down the wrath of the 'Cat by pulling him up short when he got out of line. Kendall, the more Matt fights you, the more he shows his need to have your respect. Jon, you're right. He crossed the line more than once. I remember a young man whose anger took the form of destroying instruments or tossing them in the sea. Matt needs to show it differently. Neither is appropriate. Please don't take this as criticism. I agree with your take on the "shite" crack - it was unnecessarily cruel. My point is that young men use anger against the things and people they love most. Clinton, I would love to hear SandyToes' take on this. She's put up with a "touchy" artist for years. Spaw, I believe you've got it right. Sometimes the only way a young man can walk away from security and take the next step is to turn on those he loves most and declare his independence. Mine came back three years later and was astonished to find his family waiting for him with open arms. Matt isn't gone for good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: kendall Date: 14 Oct 00 - 01:38 PM Guest, I have no need or desire to flame you, so, you think I was mean to him? Where were you when he made that asshole remark to me? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: catspaw49 Date: 14 Oct 00 - 01:43 PM Hi Sins......Glad you agree with my opinion because I certainly agree with yours. After time, every one of our kids have come back. They don't apologize, nor are they expected to......If they've grown as human beings, that is all we expect, and all have.....but they're still "works in progress".......so am I for that matter. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: kendall Date: 14 Oct 00 - 01:46 PM If I know him, he is probably lurking somewhere, laughing down his sleeve because some of us didnt recognize those words as that of some obscure pop song. At least I gave him credit for having written them! I must go off somewhere and try to figure out why I even cared... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: kendall Date: 14 Oct 00 - 01:50 PM As Oscar said in The Odd Couple,.."he's got them falling all over him..I'm thinking about getting hysterical myself!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Naemanson Date: 14 Oct 00 - 01:54 PM OK folks, break it up. There's nothing more to be seen here. Why don't you all go home and let things sort themselves out. Oh, you're already home. Well then let's go annoy another thread. To the Matt supporters, your hearts are in the right place but let's not go overboard. He needs to fly and he is doing the same thing young people have done for generations. If you love something let it go... To the Matt detractors, I'm sorry you feel about him as you do and I certainly won't argue the matter with you. I'm sure you feel justified and our discussion cannot change that. To the lurkers: See! We're human after all! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Big Mick Date: 14 Oct 00 - 02:26 PM Matt, Sorry to see you go, it has been great having you here. Gave the place a different feel, you were kind of like our collective kid. You reminded me what it must have been like for Guthrie, Geer, Houston, Odetta and company when the spiritual heir(Dylan) to their legacy plugged in that electric guitar. Do well, keep in touch, get regular xercise, practice every day, and don't forget to eat your vegetables. Oh,.......and watch your mouth young man. You are not to old for a whuppin'. LOL. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Groucho Marxist (inactive) Date: 14 Oct 00 - 02:37 PM Mick, By the time Dylan went electric in 1965, Cisco Houston had been dead for four years and Woody Guthrie was into the final stages of his battle with Huntington's Disease (he died in 1967). I don't think it would have bothered Odetta because she did albums with electric backing in the '60s herself (she did a great version of "Strawberry Fields Forever"). As for Will Geer, he was an actor whose connection to folk music was primarily through friends like Woody and Cisco. Groucho |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 14 Oct 00 - 02:51 PM What's a SandyToes? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Big Mick Date: 14 Oct 00 - 04:00 PM Hey Groucho.............bite me!!!! What the hell you doing, throwing research and appropriate dates on me when I am trying to wax poetic. I hate it when the facts get in the way of a good story. It just ain't the Irish way........hahahahahahaha..............it was meant as a rhetorical comment on the furor caused by Dylan leaving the "pure form". You are absolutely correct on Houston at that time, but I believe that I read in Joe Klein's that Gutherie and he had become disenchanted with Dylan early on over some of this stuff. I will have to go pull that out and find the timeframe. Interesting, your take on Geer. While it is true that he was never a singer on the level of the others, he was surely a singer. I believe he performed extensively in the Village. I will check that out and get back to you. In fact he apparently said that every time Gutherie stayed at his place he had to replace his Martin guitar as Woody would borrow it. Anyway, Matt, ignore that picky prick Marxist and take the message for what it is worth. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: catspaw49 Date: 14 Oct 00 - 04:10 PM And you keep spelling Guthrie wrong too you big dumb Mick. ......Geesis, the boy can't get anything right! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Oct 00 - 04:14 PM Once when I was young a friend who was involved in peace movcement stuff with me phoned my home and asked my mother if I was there, and she said something about me not being there any more, and the lad, being of a melodranatic disposition, took it that I'd gone and died. So he was ringing round and organising a memorial service and so forth. Fortunately I ran into him before he'd got too far with it.
But if he had got a bit further, and there'd been people saying what a great fella I was and how they'd all miss me, I imagine it might have been a bit embarrassing for everyone, including me, if I turned up again.
So I'm wondering if Mbo might have just posted that Oasis song because he liked it, and was feeling like sharing it with us, and he never got round to adding in the explanatory bit, or left it out on purpose, as a jeu d'esprit, on the eve of going off for a break.
In which case how's he going to feel reading all this stuff? Especially the nice bits, anyone can shrug off insults, but sincere tributes are a bit harder. You know, I think if it was me, I'd get meself a new cookie and come in as a stranger.
Did they show Reginald Perrin on TV in America? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Bill D Date: 14 Oct 00 - 05:03 PM old Country song title:(no song to go with it that I know of)
"How Can I Miss You, If You Won't Go Away" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Metchosin Date: 14 Oct 00 - 05:12 PM Sure there is Bill ala Dan Hicks and His Hot Licks |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: katlaughing Date: 14 Oct 00 - 05:23 PM McGrath, YES! They did show Reginald Perrin; one of our very favourites!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Peter T. Date: 14 Oct 00 - 05:45 PM Hey, Mick, did you get sucked into the election after all? yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Amos Date: 14 Oct 00 - 06:04 PM SONG FOR MEEBO GONE (sniff!) He was a friend, and a friend always So here's to you, Grow it long now, Mbo! and they will come!! Warmest regards, A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: catspaw49 Date: 14 Oct 00 - 06:10 PM Amos, I was about to kick your ass for some sappy ramblin' boy stuff til I got to the last couple of lines. And try to get the boy on a riceburner......Do you want him broke down in East Bumphuk?? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Amos Date: 14 Oct 00 - 06:19 PM Gotcha, Big Spaw -- it was a setup. Harleys are the TQM Revolution made manifest, man!!! Better than Toyotae, right?? BTW, you heard any performance/quality info on those new beautiful mosheens using the old Indian name and the Harley racing engine? ...I can dream, can't I? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: catspaw49 Date: 14 Oct 00 - 06:36 PM Sorry I haven't.......But I think theyr'e calling it "Native American" instead though........... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Troll Date: 14 Oct 00 - 06:47 PM Sorcha.. You are only 49? Hell girlfriend, I've got SOCKS that are older than that.**BG** troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Sorcha Date: 14 Oct 00 - 07:17 PM Make my Day!, Troll LOL ref: the new "Indians"--Kate and Bubba saw a couple at Sturgis this year. Said they were beeeeuuutifulllll. Don't know how they run, tho. 2 Harleys in this household, and they are in the shop more than out.....but will boys switch? Hell NO! Harley's kinda remind me of 57 Chevy's--ya gotta like to "tinker" with 'em. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: bbelle Date: 14 Oct 00 - 07:28 PM Sorchie ... '57 Chevys and '57 Corvettes. Yum, Yum. moonpie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: kendall Date: 14 Oct 00 - 07:29 PM Harley Davidson is about to produce its own brand of computer..it will hit the market as soon as they figure a way to make it leak oil. )and make unnecessary noise, and vibrate) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: katlaughing Date: 14 Oct 00 - 07:40 PM That's First Nations, Spaw!!! **BG** |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Biskit Date: 14 Oct 00 - 11:35 PM Amos, The only problem I've found with the new "Indians" is the belt driven Primary(bad idea)with the dry clutch,(worse idea)The S&S superstock 88 cubic inch is cool enough, and yeah they do look real spiffy,but other than the seat and the frame(and the little lit up indian head on the front fender)everything else is after market stuff that you could put together yourself for 8 to 9,000 dollars less! An' that my friend is alot o' Rasin Pie. Peace-Biskit- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Biskit Date: 14 Oct 00 - 11:41 PM There are a few of us "57" classics around,lessee,Nomad, Stingray,an'Me! -Biskit- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Sourdough Date: 14 Oct 00 - 11:57 PM Avoiding totally the topic of Mbo, I ant to carry on the thread creep: I am getting ready for a May 2001 trip from California to Connecticut and back on my bike, a well tested 1983 R-80RT from the wonderful folks at Bavarian Motorcycles. I've been looking at other bikes thinking that taking an 18 year old machine that I have put 80K miles on is risky but it is such a good bike. Twice I have had 1000 mile plus days. This is a real road eater. Present plan is to have the engine "refreshed" and the bike painted and then do it. I do get some oil drops, three or four, after a yhard ride and it offends my aesthetic sensibilities and motorcycles are an aesthetic experience as well as other things. I like getting the bike out in the world, putting it alongside other bikes (it looks great) and then seeing how many of those bikes it takes to add up to my motorcycle's total mileage. Yes, I have looked at the Harleys, Gold Wings and the new touring bikes including the Native American but I am pretty sure I am going to Go Deutsch on my Deutsch Treat. Sourdough |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: wysiwyg Date: 15 Oct 00 - 12:00 AM troll, don't you call my bes/bud a Hell girlfriend! She IS a hellion though. Hmmm... (Joke.) ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: GUEST,Joerg Date: 15 Oct 00 - 09:18 PM Click Posted that just before and don't want to repeat myself that quickly. Somebody (I don't know who) seems to be thinking that there is something funny. There isn't, friends. Joerg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: wysiwyg Date: 15 Oct 00 - 09:24 PM Joerg, can you please e-mail me since we can't exchange PM's? (I may not get it till AM unless you are quick.) ~Susan motormice@hotmail.com
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Naemanson Date: 15 Oct 00 - 09:38 PM Re: Harleys and Folk Music Rant On! I just came from the Portsmouth (NH) Sea Music Festival and have a new opinion of those damn machines. Admittedly the venues weren't great but the Harleys roaring past every 15 seconds or so certainly didn't help at all. The love affair with loud engines offends me anyway as I sit here listening to the eternal ringing in my ears. The prevalent lack of consideration on the roads today is starting to wear down my generally benevolent outlook on life. If it isn't roaring engines then it's stereos throbbing the bass beat out into the atmosphere. Where and when will it stop. Do these people even have a clue that there are people out here who don't care to hear them? Rant Off! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: wysiwyg Date: 15 Oct 00 - 09:55 PM Whooo-ee! Good rant!!! Awards show, The Ranties! Yer nominated! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: wysiwyg Date: 15 Oct 00 - 10:32 PM Just wanted to let you know that I have exchanged several short e-mail messages with Matthew this weekend as he was engaged in an intense school project with an impossible deadline. My sense of it is that we may not see him around here for awhile, but you never know. What I think was my clearest message to him tried to convey that I wish him well if he is moving on-- I think I said go go go, and go away from Mudcat if you must, but don't go away from the friends you made here, right? (Like myself.) Right? He answered affirmatively. I still do not understand exactly what the last straw was. I've asked him if he and I have anything to clear up, and that's about all I feel responsible for. I can see there has been a last straw for a lot of you, too, over this, and I think from your own viewpooint you are more than completely justified. And I didn't come into this thread now to speak for him. But to say to those of you who are his friends, not just fellow Cafe-denizens-- you do have his e-mail address, right? If not it is listed in Mudcat Resources, ya know. I am hoping that I did a good enough job at my end of being his freind that he will of course want to stay in touch. So I would just encourage you to look to what has been good about your own friendship with him, and start there in this new time. We have two boys his age in the Navy who left like this but stayed in touch as much as they could once the real world kicked into their awarenesses. Now it's our daughter. Same thing. Well, it falls to the adults among his friends here to be adults, IMNSHO, as he starts acting like the really busy college kid he is. ~Susan
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Naemanson Date: 15 Oct 00 - 10:40 PM Thanks, Praise, for checking on him and letting us know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: wysiwyg Date: 15 Oct 00 - 11:07 PM RANT ON, PRAISE GETS A TURN TOO, DAMMIT. Yeah, no problem. I'm gonna be on the Cat a lot less myself the next two weeks. Hope you check on me. I have a hard 3D job to wrap up. Pore me. I'm awful tired. Wouldn't take back a thing I've done in the last week, but time to pay the cost in rest and get that job DONE. I suppose I can always start sleeping during the funerals. I was pretty worried about Matt there too. RANT OFF. Dear Brett. And all MudFriends. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Lena Date: 16 Oct 00 - 04:48 AM Thank XXX.I kept on popping in this thread checking for an apparition of his.I'm beginning to miss him really.
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: Naemanson Date: 16 Oct 00 - 06:22 AM I know what you mean about a hard wek coming up in 3D world. Our office gets audited this wek for the first time in 4 or 5 years. And there is only one pair of shoulders on which the responsibility rests. I already feel the awesome weight this morning. Have a good week, Praise and all. As good as you can under the circumstances. Hail Caesar, We who are about to die, salute you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Goodbye From: GUEST,John D. Date: 16 Oct 00 - 10:00 AM Matt hasn't gone anywhere. :o) |