Subject: White Cockade From: Bob Schwarer phidea@cris.com Date: 25 Nov 97 - 02:06 PM I know the words to The White Cockade are in the DT , but can someone point me toward a recorded version? Thanks, Bob S. |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Bruce O. Date: 25 Nov 97 - 03:37 PM The English and Scottish songs of this title are quite different. That attributed to Burns in DT is a slight alteration of one called "Ranting Roving Lad" in Herd's 'Scots Songs', II, 1776. There are a very few later traditional texts, and I know of no recording.
The Copper family have a version of one, probably the English one, in one of their books, so you might look for a recording by themm if thats the one you want.
WHITE COCKADE (BURNS) (Robert Burns) My love was born in Aberdeen, The boniest lad that e'er was seen, But now he makes our hearts fu' sad, He takes the Field wi' his White Cockade. ch. O he's a ranting, roving lad, He is a brisk an a bonny lad, Betide what may, I will be wed, And follow the boy wi the White Cockade. I'll sell my rock, my reel, my tow, My gude gray mare and hawkit cow; To buy mysel a tartan plaid, To follow the boy wi the White Cockade. tune: The White Cockade (306) @love @Scottish @soldier filename[ WHTECOCK TUNE FILE: WHTECOCK CLICK TO PLAY ARB Corries performance of Burns version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v3qM24EwVI |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Barry Date: 25 Nov 97 - 03:44 PM Depends which version. I think Jean Redpath has recorded the Burns version. The Silly Sisters (June Tabor & Maddy Prior) recorded another version (see They Advanced Me in the DT), which, along with all the other tracks on the same LP, is a gem. Barry |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Bob Schwarer Date: 26 Nov 97 - 12:01 PM Barry: Got out my Silly Sisters LPs and no White Cockade. I didn't play the albums, but I think checking the titles would have rung a bell. Did they,by chance include this on a CD with the "required" extra cuts? Thanx, Bob S. |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Nigel Sellars Date: 26 Nov 97 - 02:37 PM Dave Swarbrick plays a tune -- a reel, I think -- by this name on one of his solo albums. This is the tune I've heard used for the song on one occasion, and I think it's also the original tune used for the great labor song "The Red Flag" -- since supplanted by "O Tannenbaum." (yuck) |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Barry Date: 26 Nov 97 - 10:51 PM Bob, I think it was on their first LP, I no longer have it, but it there, along with Young Waters, Jamie Douglas & a host other greats. Don't know what was or wasn't on the CDs. Barry |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Wolfgang (Hell) Date: 27 Nov 97 - 04:52 AM - "The white cockade" (they advanced me) has been sung by The Watersons on "A Yorkshire Garland" (TOPIC Records) and by Maureen Craik on another TOPIC record, "New Voices" (also featuring the then still unknown Watersons). - "The white cockade" (Burns) has been sung by Barbara Dickson on a TRAILER record called "The fate of Charlie". I think there is also an Irish "The white cockade". I'll have a look. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: jimk@ihug.co.nz Date: 27 Nov 97 - 04:53 AM Billy Bragg's album "The Internationale" has a version of the red flag which uses the White Cockade music. By far the best version I have heard. regs |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Ted from Australia Date: 27 Nov 97 - 04:56 AM I have a recording (no longer available commercially) of Paul Lawler(and i think ,his brother Vinny singing the song accapella. If your desperate I will put it on a cassette for you, email me ed42@4kz.com.au Regards, Ted from Australia:-)> |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE WHITE COCKADE From: Wolfgang Date: 04 Dec 97 - 11:04 AM From: Walton’s New Treasury of Irish Songs and Ballads, Part 2:
THE WHITE COCKADE (Translated from the Irish by J. J. Callanan)
King Charles he is King James's son,
My young men's hearts are dark with woe;
No more the cuckoo hails the spring, Wolfgang
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Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Bruce O. Date: 04 Dec 97 - 01:35 PM I've not been terribly successful at figuring out when the title "White Cockade" first appeared. An early version of the Scots tune was called "The Ranting Highlandman" in 1769 in R. Bride's '24 Country Dances', and in Campbell's 'Reels', 1778, and Aird's 'Airs', I, c 1778. Aird printed a later version of the tune as "The White Cockade", in 'Airs', IV (1794). A copy of "White Cockade" in the American Gibbs MS is dated by the editor, Kate Van Winkle Keller, as 1777, but I have doubts that this and 2 other tunes in the MS were quite that early. Burns' song, in DT (from 'Scots Musical Museum', #272, 1790), is a revision of "My love was born in Aberdeen" in Herd's 'Scots Songs,' 1776. There is an extended version of the song in Vol. II of Hogg's 'Jacobite Relics', 1821, but Hogg's notes on it are unenlightening. Was Burns the first to change 'tartan plaidie' to 'white cockade'? Can anyone fill in some gaps here? Murray S., help!
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Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Murray Date: 08 Dec 97 - 03:20 AM You're very probably right, Bruce. Kinsley (Poems & Songs of R,B.,III.1337) notes that Burns "has adjusted the rhythm of ll. 4 and 12, and the chorus, to suit the air he has chosen", i.e. Burns chose a tune that had [it seems] nothing to do with Herd's verses. Actually the original rhythm seems to point to a tune like one of the sets of "The Highland Laddie". Burns certainly seems to have been the first to bring the white cockade into it. [= the badge of the house of Stewart]. |
Subject: Tune Add: THE WHITE COCKADE From: Bruce O. Date: 08 Dec 97 - 02:15 PM I may have been mistaken in citing "The Ranting Highland Man" in R. Bride's 24 country dances for 1769 as an early version of "The White Cockade". Here are the tunes for your comparison.
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Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Bruce O. Date: 14 Dec 97 - 04:24 PM We may not have things figured out right yet about the origin of this tune title. I have an old piece of sheet music from Colonial Williamsburg. It is "The White Cockade". On it it is stated that 'the tune was played by two fifers from Acton, Massachusetts, during the battle of Concord Bridge'. This was on April 19, 1755. Does anyone know the precise origin of this statement, or exactly what the original source stated? Does anyone have acccess to someone in the song library at Colonial Williamsburg.? |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Barry Date: 14 Dec 97 - 10:03 PM From O'Neil's "Irish Minstrels & Musicians". "The last occasion of which there is any historical mention of Irish pipers in war was at the battle of Fontenoy, May 11, 1745, when the Irish Brigade in the service of France turned the tide of battle agaisst the English troops. Very appropriately, two of the tunes those intrepid expatriated pipers pealed out were 'The White Cockade' & 'Saint Patrick's Day In The Morning'" Barry |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Bruce O. Date: 15 Dec 97 - 12:13 PM Barry, Well, I suspect that O'Neill, p. 42, took his whole paragraph from Grattan Flood, not just the direct quote part, which means it is probably a lie. |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: hanrahan Date: 13 Jan 98 - 01:31 PM Phil Beer..Show of Hands does a version live at Albert Hall.."The Blue Cockade"..it's quite nice |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: hanrahan Date: 13 Jan 98 - 01:32 PM Phil Beer..Show of Hands does a version live at Albert Hall.."The Blue Cockade"..it's quite nice An Uachtar, hanrahan |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Bruce O. Date: 13 Jan 98 - 01:49 PM That's apparently the English "White cockade" not the Scots one. There was a tune published under the "White Cockade" title long before the Scots one of R. Burns appeared in the Scots Musical Museum. This appears to be a different tune, though (I don't have tune, only a stressed note code). However, there are three American MSS that have a tune "The White Cockade" that are also earlier than the Burns one, that might be versions of the Scots tune. Again I have only stressed note codes, so can't do a real comparison.
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Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Phideaux Date: 14 Jan 98 - 02:19 PM I just found a vocal version of "White Cockade" by the Watersons. It's on a CD "Early Days" which I guess is a reissue or compilation album. Go to www.tunes.com if you're interested & hunt around. It's not the easiest to navigate, but it gets the job done. You can even listen to sound clips if you have Real Audio. Bob Schwarer
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Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Wolfgang Date: 15 Jan 98 - 06:07 AM Bob, what a great site to go, thanks for the hint. Only problem for me, it's so slow. Your guess is correct: From a look at the tracklist I can say that the Watersons CD "Early days" consists of either all or at least most of the tracks on their two vinyls "A Yorkshire Garland" and "The Watersons". Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Bruce O. Date: 16 Jan 98 - 04:20 PM I just stumbled over an early version of the English version in Bell's 'Ancient Poems, Songs and Ballads' 1857. It's called "The Summer's Morning". The book can be gotten to by going to (new link) www.pbm.com/~lindahl/ballads/ballads.html look for 'large ftp file' and click on it. Song is near the end of the file. |
Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Bruce O. Date: 29 Sep 98 - 06:26 PM We're going to have to drop the notion that Burns' song gave the title "The White Cockade" to the tune. Here is a copy of the tune that's much too early to derive its title from Burns' song.
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Subject: RE: White Cockade From: Celtic-End Singer Date: 06 Oct 98 - 11:25 AM In reply to an earlier comment, "The Red Flag", the socialist song that is sung at Labour Party conferences was originally set to the tune of "The White "Cockade" hence Billy Bragg's version on "The Internationale" |
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