Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO

Subject: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 02:06 PM

George Seto's original thread: Origins of: Found on Mudcat is getting a bit long, so here's a fresh one to post your links and comments.

BTW: this symbol, ^^^ , means I have transferred your link from this to the permathread. So I don't get confuzzled.:-)

Don't forget, we now have a Song Origins PermaThread, where your contributions will be added to the alphabetised list.

Thanks!

kat

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 03:06 PM

Kat and George, the list is useful in another way. I ran across Oh, Dem Golden Slippers! on the American Memory site. The song is in neither the DT nor the thread put in your permathread, so I added it to the thread you cited. It is now easier to make additions and corrections, at least to those songs on your list.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 03:51 PM

Never thought about that, but you're amazing Dicho. Thanks

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 05:19 PM

Oh, that's great, Dicho! Took me a minute to figure out you meant the actual thread of each song, rather than the PermaThread or this one.:-) Thanks!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 06:23 PM

^^^ Ballad of Glencoe

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: simon-pierre
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 09:40 PM

^^^

I didn't see these two, wich includes great comments:

Ella Speed

Delia

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:39 PM

I had listed it as Massacre of Glencoe. Ballad is more common, though.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 12:07 AM

Great finds, Simon-Pierre, nice to see you!

Dicho and George, I've put a note beside both listings to see the other, so people looking for either, "Ballad" or "Massacre" will know.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 12:08 AM

^^^ Lest someone misconstrue, Thanks, Dicho. You're right. I should have listed it by the more common name.

Be Thou My Vision / Rop Tú Mo Baile
Buain Na Rainich / Tha Mi Sgìth

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 12:40 AM

^^^

Help: houlihan? Old Paint
Good-by, Old Paint (Lomax cpl. 1910, also 1938 versions)
I Ride An Old Paint (Larkin 1931)
This is the best thread with the complete songs and reliable term definitions

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 01:55 AM

^^^

Thanks Dicho.

Christmas Comes But Once A Year

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 01:59 AM

Ha! *bg* Sorry, George, I should have made note of my adding that to the list. I had the inside track in that Mary in KY told me about it in a PM before she started the thread. I left it with the old spelling, though. It's pretty tough to "scoop" you!

Thanks, guys!

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 02:26 AM

^^^

Ah! Great Kat.

Here's one I never noticed before:

Waltzing Matilda / Craigielee
Waltzing Matilda / Bonnie Woods of Craigilea
Original Waltzing Matilda
Rochester Recruiting Sergeant

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 08:51 AM

^^^

Jacamo finane?
Actual title IKO IKO

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 09:13 AM

^^^

Lads of Virginia -Weary in Virginny, O
The history of an entirely different song (Weary...) was added to this thread. I have tried to add it to the original thread title. Still has to be printed twice so it can be found.
How should these be submitted?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 09:15 AM

Maybe put song title first and thread title after in ()?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 09:23 AM

^^^

In the Bleak Mid-winter

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 11:13 AM

^^^

Deck The Hall / Nos Galen

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 11:34 AM

Dicho, please submit them, exactly as the thread is named. I like to keep the links literal, BUT you could put the real song title in parantheses. In the case of the Weary song being added to that thread, I see two options: 1) I will cross-reference with both titles 2) you could copy and paste the Weary song info into its own thread and I could link to it.

If any of you would prefer I do it a different way, please let me know. I am always open to suggestions.:-)

Thanks, I will add the newest later today.

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 11:39 AM

Katlaughing. Sometimes I use the thread as named, but other times, I (like on the Waltzing Matilda series) try to clarify by the more common name.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 11:41 AM

That's fine, George. I'll go with what you guys post, okay? Any clarification can be in parentheses and I will do the cross-referencing as much as possible, when it seems a good idea. Thanks.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 12:11 PM

^^^

Hound Dog Original Version??

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 01:05 PM

^^^

One Meat Ball-Burl Ives
"Lone Fish Ball," the first version from 1855, in the thread.
Your way probably best- change the title too much and the person checking might think he has errored.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 01 - 01:06 PM

(Apparently Burl Ives never recorded One Meat Ball)

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Dec 01 - 12:29 AM

^^^ Here are some more, Kat and George.

(De) Blue Tail Fly
Dixie; Dixie's Land
Farewell To The Mountains Davy Crockett
Garryowen
Wildwood Flower Includes original, I'll Twine 'Mid the Ringlets
Do Ye Ken John Peel?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Dec 01 - 05:26 PM

^^^

Bury me not on the Lone Prairie?
(The Dying Cowboy) Excellent thread!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 17 Dec 01 - 07:04 PM

^^^

Interesting one:

Mary Mild

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Dec 01 - 07:12 PM

^^^

Might as well add this one, too, it just keeps getting more interesting, too! I'll get these all added into the list by tomorrow. Thanks!

Sing A Song of Sixpence(Why 4 & 20 Blackbirds Baked in a Pie?)

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 09:27 AM

Thread 17153 (listed as Loch Lomond- the 5th one!) has the unrelated song "Banks of the Roses")

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 09:41 AM

Dicho, not sure what you mean. I checked that link and it does got to a Loch Lomond thread. Do you mean the unrelated song is within that thread? If so, I'll cross-reference it. Thanks!

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 11:10 AM

Dicho, it does have the song in there, but there was no discussion of Banks of the Roses, so I chose to leave it off the link information.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 12:58 PM

Kat and George, after seeing the post in the permathread on links in postings, maybe you need a disclaimer: Not responsible for any failure to communicate with links outside Mudcat. No warranty is provided, either express or implied. Use these links at your own risk!
I'll try to invent some history and discussion for Banks of the Roses. (Let's see now; at the next Tournament of Roses Parade...)

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: simon-pierre
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 01:11 PM

^^^

I think Goodnight Irene is missing?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 04:14 PM

Good find, SP! Thanks.

Dicho, my head is really dull right now, please explain? Are you referring to my posting to MaryinKY about an outside link in one of the song threads linked into the permathread? If so, as I said, broken links, in general, should be reported on the Help Forum page. I am MOST concerned with the actual links in the alphabestised list. If any of them are broken, I would like to know about asap. Is this what you meant?

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 04:28 PM

Dicho, my idea was to track threads within the Forum, and any links outside of Mudcat proper would have to be within the proper thread, rather than in this set of links. WE can open it up to links out of Mudcat, if people like.

Kat, I'm assuming that maybe a general one, which perhaps needs to be put into a general thread on Permathreads, if there is such.

Thanks Simon Pierre, that's a good one.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 05:39 PM

Kat and George, I guess my humor ain't humorous; don't take it literally. One post seemed to complain that an outside link in one of the song threads wasn't working. Of course, you can't do anything about it; facetiously I was just suggesting one of those disclaimers you get with some purchases. You can't guarantee outside links that are in the posts on a thread.
Now you don't think I was serious about inventing a history for Banks of the Whatzis?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 06:55 PM

LOL, thanks for *clearing* that up, Dicho! **BG** I thought you'd gone round the bend even contemplating that parade!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 19 Dec 01 - 09:28 PM

Sorry, Dicho. I misunderstood as well. You have to remember to sprinkle lots of Smileys.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: simon-pierre
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 03:15 PM

^^^

Stagger Lee

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 22 Dec 01 - 12:33 PM

^^^

Just found this one

Caribbean Music - Calypso to Reggae

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 22 Dec 01 - 12:47 PM

Just looking around, and I see I wasn't the first one to have this idea.

Okiemockbird's Idea

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 01 - 03:35 PM

Sometime back I seen a very interestinG thread on a racIng dog called Master McGrath, anyone of you experts put a bluey on this. Barking Maud

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 24 Dec 01 - 12:06 PM

^^^

I don't know that we missed this before, but:

Shel Silverstein's Unicorn

Also found this short bit:

Digital Tradition History

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 24 Dec 01 - 12:08 PM

I seem to recall that Joe Offer asked several times, but I don't recall seeing an answer, about how the Mudcat acquired the DT, and was Mudcat in existence before the DT showed up.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Dec 01 - 01:38 PM

^^^

here is a thread about the origins you may have missed...I got it by search on the name 'Dennis Cook', who was one of the two instigators of putting songs on disk.

here is one more that may answer a few questions from the same search.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 24 Dec 01 - 03:46 PM

Thanks Bill D. That clarifies things a bit.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 05:40 PM

^^^

Andrew Rose

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 29 Dec 01 - 02:59 PM

^^^

Tie A Yellow Ribbon

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From:
Date: 09 Jan 02 - 08:59 PM

^^^

Forty Below - Alternate Red River Valley

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat -PART TWO
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jan 02 - 09:06 PM

Oh! How did I miss your latest, George? I will get them added tomorrow. Thanks!