Lyr Req: Will Ye No Come Home Again

Subject: Will ye no come home again
From:
Date: 12 Apr 98 - 11:34 PM

Heard part of a song on A & E channel in SCotland in honor of the man who designed the Masters Golf Course in Agusta, GA. "Will ye no come home again" Does anyone know the rest of the words? Thanks Dave

Subject: RE: Will ye no come home again
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Apr 98 - 11:41 PM

It's Will Ye No Come Back Again, and it's in the database. Just fo to the blue box at the upper right of the page, and search for [will ye no] --the brackets indicate that it's a phrase.

Subject: RE: Will ye no come home again
From: Jon W.
Date: 13 Apr 98 - 04:59 PM

Will Ye No Come Back Again is about Bonny Prince Charlie, not a golf course designer. Sounds like the song Dave is looking for may be a parody???

Subject: RE: Will ye no come home again
From: Bruce O.
Date: 13 Apr 98 - 05:10 PM

On the scots-l list lately it's become obvious that 'Jacobite' song and tune there is almost as poorly defined as 'folk' in the US.

Subject: RE: Will ye no come home again
From: dulcimer
Date: 13 Apr 98 - 07:15 PM

Ok, Bruce. Are you saying it is not a Jacobite song and tune but written at a later date and playing on the sympathies for that period? And if so, were both lyrics and tune written later or is the tune from some older tune?

Subject: RE: Will ye no come home again
From: Bruce O.
Date: 14 Apr 98 - 09:55 AM

I haven't researched this one, but Jack Campin of the Scots list recently stated that there are practically no real Jacobite songs and actually written and composed written in the Jacoabite period, which some take to be 1688-1746. (Campin is expert on the Scots tunes of the 18th century to be found in Scots MSS. He's an excellent amateur in that area, that's probably as good an any professional.) James Hogg in the 'Jacobite Relics' took some anti-Catholic James songs of 1684-88 as 'Jacobite' era also (but they're on the other side). One big problem, the Gaels didn't publish anything until much later, after 1800, so we have nothing but claims of 'traditional Jacobite'. There do seem to me to be 4 or 5 songs of Bonnie Prince Charlie's time in Scotland (1745-6). The original "You Jacobites by name", 1746, is on my website. I've seen an early MS copy of "Johnnie Cope" (whose opening is almost always given wrong in later reprints) The tune "Over the water to Charlie" was published about 1752 (the tune had a different title earlier, and versions are on my website under the Irish title "Shambuy". This title probably came from any earlier song. "Charlie is my darling" is pretty old, but I haven't tried to trace that one.

I can't remember any others off the top of my head. "The Lords of Convention" = "Bonnets of Bonny Dundee" in DT is by Sir Walter Scott, who said in his diary that he wrote it in 1817, but first published it in a play of 1830. "Loch Lomond" as noted on an earlier thread seems to have first appeared in 1876. I expect we'll see more 'Jaco bite' songs in the future. Opinion is that "Lady Keith's Lament" = "When the King comes over the water" in "Jacobite Relics' is by Hogg himself.

Subject: RE: Will ye no come home again
From: Dave L
Date: 14 Apr 98 - 02:27 PM

Thanks-Got the words. Didn't realize I had to use the brackets. I had tried just words without brackets. The song was sung at a banquet for Clark who was a masters champion and designed the Agusta golf course. They sang only the chorus. Again, thanks for the help. Dave

Subject: Searching for a song
From: Kristi
Date: 01 Nov 98 - 04:19 PM

Could someone help me? I am desperately searching for the music to a Scottish folk song called Will Ye No Come Back Again?/Bonnie Charlie's Now Awa. It was featured on an episode of the TV show Highlander a while back and there are lyrics to it available online but no music. If you know where I can find this music, please e-mail me at [e-mail].

Thank you,

Kristi

Subject: RE: Searching for a song
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 01 Nov 98 - 04:58 PM

It's in the DT database. With the tune. Click here.

Subject: RE: Searching for a song
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Nov 98 - 08:50 PM

You'll find a more memorable rendition of the tune at Taylor's Traditional Tunebook.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Searching for a song
From:
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 07:24 AM

I was forced to sing this song when I was in a childrens' choir. (I was a child at the time, of course) I could never understand the accent with which it was supposed to be sung and thought the line was "Better load yer cannon, Bea," or something similarly foolish. I'd be surprised if the song was sung by real Jacobites.

I wonder why the producers of Highlander would pick this ditty. Far more in the manly Highlander mode would be a good old pipe march, like Killiecrankie.

Subject: RE: Searching for a song
From: Donald Stew
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 10:53 AM

Has anyone besides me ever heard the song, "Duckfoot Sue"? If so, what are the words you have for it. My grandmother taught it to me.

Click here to get to a specifically-titled thread requesting this song.

Subject: RE: Searching for a song
From: Ewan McV
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 04:26 PM

Indeed, Will Ye No Come Back Again was written some 60 years after the 1745 Rising by Baroness Nairne of Gask. She was I suppose a 'real Jacobite' of the same ilk as Robert Burns, i'.e. there was a sentimental attachment to the Jacobite cause, although Burns was a dangerous radical and Baroness Nairne probably a High Tory (very conservative). Still, the High Tories protected Burns on account of his fine poetry or he would have ended up as a transported convict.

Subject: RE: Searching for a song
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 05:38 PM

Actually, there's some real doubt as to whether any of the Jacobite songs were contemporary to the 1745 fracas.

Subject: RE: Searching for a song
From: Zorro
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 06:39 PM

Hey Kristi, I have the sheet music if you need it, or want it. I don't have a scanner on my pc, but I'll be happy to mail it to you. Zorro. [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Searching for a song
From: Ewan McV
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 06:57 PM

Dick,

William Donaldson in The Jacobite Song gives a bunch of Jacobite songs, made at the times of the various conflicts - 1715, 1719, 1745 - and I acquired the other day a large volume of the Gaelic Songs of the '45.

However, it is true that most of the best known texts are much later in date.

Subject: Desperately Seeking Lyrics
From:
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 05:57 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen, As a recent lurker and printer of lyrics here, I throw myself on the mercy of the crowd. I have been trying for months to find a recording of the Scots traditional tune "Will Ye No Come Back Again?" I have found it through the usual searches and have bought a couple that were less than what I need. Namely, can any of the experts out there direct me to a choral, preferably all male, rendition of this song? Frankly, I have always (that is, for over 40 years) wanted a recording to match the character (if not technical limitations) of the rendition performed on the original soundtrack to the George Steven's 1939 classic "Gunga Din." I already have the recent re-recording of the soundtrack, but it is, of course, bereft of this traditional piece. Naturally, I would prefer to find a CD version, but would serioiusly consider cassette or even an LP, if such is extant. Hoping I may hear from one of you, I Live In Hope. Patrick R. Wilson

Subject: RE: Desperately Seeking Lyrics
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 06:05 PM

Well Hopeful Patrick, you could start by contacting Sandy Paton at Folk Legacy Records and see if he has any sources; just CLICK HERE.

You could also check with Dick Greenhaus, of Camsco Records (also of the DT) at Click here. It might take Dick a few days to get back to you as he in in England right now.

Good luck,

kat

Subject: RE: Desperately Seeking Lyrics
From: Amergin
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 06:39 PM

I know the Clancy Brothers and Ewan MacColl both recorded this song.....

Subject: RE: Desperately Seeking Lyrics
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 07:22 PM

I checked Folk-Legacy and found nothing. At CDNOW I did a search using the "song title" option in the search box. I found several recordings, but none that appeared to be choral. Unfortunately, I don't think CAMSCO has a song-by-song listing of its inventory. Seems like several collections have the Ewan MacColl recording.
If you click here to search CDDB, you'll find a list of 44 CD's that may have the song.
I see that the Glasgow Phoenix Choir has a recording - I wonder if this link (click) will take you to all of their recordings of the song.
If you'll settle for smaller male groups, try these:

• A group called Men of Worth have it on their "In Full Flight" album
• A group called Schooner Fare have it on a couple of CD's.

-Joe Offer (e-mail sent)-

Subject: RE: Desperately Seeking Lyrics
From: GUEST,Patrick Wilson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 01:39 AM

Good Gracious! I certainly did not expect so many avenues of approach being provided by the denizens of this community. I shall persue them all and see what I can do. I don't know how to thank you, but know that I do and will post an entry with whatever luck I have. "Better loved ye'll never be!"

A Greatly Encouraged, Patrick

Subject: RE: Desperately Seeking Lyrics
From: BK
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 08:52 AM

I'd bet you'll like Schooner Fare's version. It is very chorale-like (they've jokingly been described as a folk glee club) & it's one of my favorites. Of course, I like all their alboms (CD's) & I think we have 'em all. This would introduce you to a really great folk trio & it shouldn't be very hard to find. Good Luck!

Cheers, BK

ps - re the thread title: you wanted a recording, not lyrics.

Subject: RE: Desperately Seeking Lyrics
From: GUEST,Patrick Wilson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 01:01 PM

Very well, I've pursued the links you've all provided and I'm not sure I'm going to find what I would like.

The Glasgow Phoenix Choir has multiple recordings, but the samples I heard of this particular song were lovely yet too sentimental for my immediate interest.

I was not able to hear samples from Schooner Fare, though the reference to use of electric instruments in some of their numbers is a bit daunting.

The Men Of Worth recording "In Full Flight" I was likewise unable to sample. If anyone can suggest a site where I might be able to sample these, I can fairly safely say I can then choose from among the best and get on with it.

The other two sources for folk music have provided me with leads for other interests, though not to this particular one, at least as yet.

I'll continue plugging away but, whatever the result, I must say I'm grateful for all the help I've been offered.

Now, get ready for some REALLY odd requests in the future!

Patrick Wilson

Subject: RE: Desperately Seeking Lyrics
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 01:18 PM

Ardell, please go back to the first posting of this thread and read the bottom part. You will get better results by following the suggestions there. Thanks and welcome to the Mudcat.

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Desperately Seeking Lyrics
From: Crowhugger
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 12:42 PM

Patrick,

For information like this, meaning anything from old musicals and movies, I'd highly recommend you e-mail Richard Ouzunian at CBC (Canada's national English-language broadcaster). He hosts a weekly show called "Say It With Music" which is programmed from musicals. Even if CBC doesn't have it in their archives, Mr. O or someone in the CBC record archives will know if it's still available in some format.

My computer needs features I don't have to visit their 'infoculture' page and give you the URL, but search on both infoculture and cbc.ca to get a link. From the left-hand list, click Entertainment. The entertainment home page has a pulldown a-z list of programs to jump you to each subsite.

Of course if you're Canadian, you probably already know all those instructions. If a recording is available in Canada, I would try Sam the Record Man first - huge selection in diverse and eclectic genres as well as the trendy money-makers.

Best of luck! Worst case scenario, I suppose, is that you'll have to pay someone to score it and convince a men's choir/chorus to record it. **BG**

Maybe BBC, ABC and PBS have similar resources, I don't know.

Subject: RE: Desperately Seeking Lyrics
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 06:47 PM

THe BBC has a record library that you can phone. Details can be had by ringing the BBC, although I can't give you a number. Radio 4 used to have a 'can you tell me' spot, where punters would phone or write in and say 'what is this piece of music, who wrote it, where can I get it?' and the library and research staff would be dispatched to try and find it.

Don't know if they still do that programme, but you got a real eclectic mix!

LTS