BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2

Subject: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 07:25 PM

A continuation of World Cup(Soccer) Ireland's nightmare which with 152 posts hasn't run out of steam yet, but is a bit lengthy to download these days.

And I changed the title, because it's not such a nightmare at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 07:30 PM

Refreshing to put this one ahead of the older one.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 07:41 PM

It's a little strange to me that the Ireland thread has had 5 times as many messages as the England one, given that (at a fairly safe guess) there are far fewer Irish 'catters than English ones

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 07:53 PM

Well, David Beckham didn't waltz off home in a huff on the eve of the tournament, after slagging off the manager.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 07:56 PM

Fair point, McGrath :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: GUEST,beachcombers
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 12:08 PM

I have just seen your new thread Mac and hav'nt even bothered to download the older one (Wow some thread..seems more like a "hawser" to me.) But was'nt there some suggestion that a) Mick McCarthy erred in calling a full Irish attendance, admins and all, before which to confront Keane and thereby provoking (deliberately or not) the verbals b) Keane was accused, at this gathering, of putting his club before country. c) If , as McCarthy had stated to the media, Keane did have some "personal problems" his temperament being known to all and sundry, this was not the way to approach him.

However things have panned out somewhat better than anyone really expected and now if we can raise our game once more to outscore the Saudi Arabians by two goals we will find ourselves in the knockout stage. When one considers that Soccer is merely a minority sport here in Ireland where our population is something like 3million people (I realise that we now consider players whose lineage qualifies them to hold a passport, but all other countries have the same ability) I think that we are due a lot of credit. Yes, living here I can see , first hand, the archaic structures and 1940/50s administrative style of the FAI and realise that, this time , we simply must modernise and , if we do...??? One other matter:- Has any local noticed how prominent Martin Cullen , now a Dail Minister, John Delaney, FAI Hon Treasurer and Milo Corcoran, FAI President all were in the usurption of Bernard O Beirne, Former CEO of the FAI. They also had a major role in the government's shafting of Eircom Park and the Air Corps helped them out by objecting to same. Bertie gets his version of a national stadium (Not the grandiose Sports Campus anymore mind you and maybe not even in Abbotstown )Now if we do get a stadium and it is still only an "if", the FAI will have to share it and pay rent just as they did in Lansdown Road , so who wins??? BTW all three named above reside in Waterford and the two FAI reps are on the board of Waterford FC , I wonder will they get a few bob to help out this once great club which now languishes in the lower reaches of domestic Irish soccer.

Sorry for railing on McGrath but..

Beach

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 01:48 PM

Eamonn Dunphy has been "suspended" to-night by the Irish TV Station RTE. Dunphy who is writing Roy Keane`s book was a member of the Stations World Cup panel. RTE was bombarded by viewers protesting at Dunphy`s remarks against Mick McCarthy, he also said that it was his hope that the Irish would lose all their matches. A nasty little man who also crossed Jack Charlton wheh he managed the Irish in the last World Cup. Yes definitely a memorable Competition. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 02:51 PM

Fair play to you McGrath, but is it not a wee bit early to be removing the "Nightmare"?. Remember there`s many a slip and Saudi Arabia won`t be lying down next Tusday, meanwhle I know plenty of oul hands who are praying, so it`s St Patrick v Mohammed and may the best man win. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 04:42 PM

Anyone who has read Roddy Doyle's 'The Van' knows how well resepected Eamonn Dunphy is --- a 'Dunphy' is slang for a big sausage because it resembles a turd.

BJ

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Big Tim
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 04:52 PM

Bit obtuse here, but, ask the ghost of Veronica Guerin, re EM.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Den
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 07:12 PM

Lets put things back in perspective,
Well, David Beckham didn't waltz off home in a huff on the eve of the tournament, after slagging off the manager
Roy keane was sent home by Mick McCarthy, sacked as captain, having to make his own travel arrangenments after McCarthy's absolute blunder in handling the situation. This thread has vasilated back and forth and I have to say Ireland's priority should have been to go into this tournament with the strongest team possible, coaches aside its the boys on the park that make the difference. We've lived in the shadow for too long...Keane was right lets get rid of the passengers and write our own destiny. We've made it to the world stage we've proved we can compete with England, Holland, Portugal and Germany...we're not here for the sun and the tan anymore, the luck of the Irish doesn't mean shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Big John
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 07:30 PM

PERSPECTIVE? The Irish team are doing well because they are playing as a TEAM. If ROY KENE was there they would be playing as ROY KEANE and his little helpers and I don't think that would have worked too well. His departure had produced the Strongest Possible TEAM for Ireland. Fair play to the LADS for riding out the storm so well.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 03:08 AM

Well said - Big John - Well said.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 04:19 AM

From the Irish Times website:

'RTÉ suspended outspoken soccer analyst Eamon Dunphy from its coverage of World Cup matches yesterday after he turned up "unfit for work".

'Mr Dunphy admitted last night he had drink taken and had not slept before appearing on the World Cup Live programme at noon yesterday. He apologised to the station and viewers last night. RTÉ, in a statement issued following Mr Dunphy's brief appearance on the show, said he was being suspended because he was unable to fulfil the terms of his contract.

'Mr Dunphy was in studio at noon with presenter Mr Peter Collins and fellow analyst Mr Brian Kerr for a preview of Japan's match with Russia. However, after providing some brief analysis, he was dropped and the show continued without him."

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Declan
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 12:20 PM

Slight correction Bullfrog. In the Van a sausage was called a Dunphy because it resembled a prick. But a Turd will do just as well.

I saw Eamonn on the box yesterday morning and he was ossified. He made some remarks about the Sunday Independent, a paper which had removed Dunphy from the payroll because he had cost them so much in libel actions. I'd say the main reason the RTE producers wanted him off the program quickly in case he landed RTE in the high court as well. He was missing when it came to half time in the match.

Good riddance to the bitter little man !

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Red Eye
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 01:07 PM

The reasons for Irelands poor pre tournament facilities & preperation are these.

The FAI league in Ireland is probably one of the poorest in the Western world. It has no billion pound deal with Sky TV to pay earn millions of pounds in revenue. It is the fourth most popular sport played and supported in Ireland. Any money earnt during their qualifiers, and hopefully long world cup run, will be put back into their league to strengthen it. Roy Keane a product of the FAI knows this and if he really wanted the best for the team and his country, he should have put his hand in his back pocket, pulled out some of his wedge and put it on the FAI's table to provide a suitable environment to prepare in. Was he not involved in a clash a couple of years ago with the FAI, when he had to fly on a trip to Turkey as business class instead of first class? He accused them of amatuer preperations. PUT UP OR SHUT UP KEANE!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Bluebeard
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 11:37 PM

Well tomorrow is the test. I'm meeting the lads at a pub in Ajax, Ontario. Tape delay, the match is on at 0930 EST . No radio, no TV, no Internet. We don't want to know anything as we watch the match. The lads have played exceptionally as a TEAM. They can do it. It is a pity that Robbie Keane has to share the same surname.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 04:23 AM

3 more hours to go and then I'm heading to the staff room to claim the best seat in the house (not difficult - I'm in England after all, and they're all waiting for tomorrow morning).
Fingers crossed.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:33 AM

Okay....Ireland will be playing shortly, but France has played their last........Would anyone have predicted that France would be gone so soon AND without scoring a single goal?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:47 AM

Hate to gloat about the "cult of personality"/superstar thing in the Roy Keane context, but could it be that France were counting too much on Zidane (who is undoubtedly a wizard) and collapsed when he wasn't available? They normally would have expected to have qualified before today. Well done Denmark.

I repeat that I'm no expert, but maybe the team spirit and modesty of the rest of the Irish has stood to them. We'll know in a couple of hours!

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: donal
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 07:01 AM

Jazus....30 minutes to go and me stomach is in knots.....and we've gotten rid of Roy Keane, Eamon Dunphy and Paul McGrath...on the week os Blooms Day lets quote Joyce..."Ireland , the sow that eats her own farrow"

donal

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 07:18 AM

Would that be Brian Farrow, the other TV presenter most enamoured of the sound of his own voice, donal? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: GUEST,Crazy Eddie
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 08:58 AM

Ireland 2 KSA 0 Germany 1 Camaroon 0

Things are looking rather hopeful!

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:15 AM

Germany 2 Cameroon 0

It's done!

Well done you boys in Green

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:28 AM

HURRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
(Trying to be optimistic about their next game...but I'll just enjoy today's result for now.)

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Les from Hull
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:29 AM

Congratulations to Ireland, 3-nil winners!

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Noreen
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:37 AM

There'll be some ale supped in Yokahama tonight! Good stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: alanabit
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:45 AM

If this is a nightmare, you guys must have some pretty high expectations! Well done and good luck in the next round. Alan.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:46 AM

Well done Iceland

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: donal
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:49 AM

LOL.....Bring on the Spanish !!!1

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:57 AM

Congratulations to Ireland!

I believe the next match is probably against Spain, probably a really tough one but who knows... Ireland seem to be playing with great team spirit and determination, things that I think have been strengthened by Roy Keane's absence... They could pull it off...

Good luck Ireland,

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: ard mhacha
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 10:08 AM

Well done Mick and the boys, our third World Cup and once again the Irish have gone through to the last 16. bloody brilliant. The Flags are flying in Lurgan. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: breezy
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 11:42 AM

another nial in another teams coffin, and bye bye france as well, just as the 18th of June approaches!

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 12:16 PM

Breezy: was that "another nial in another team's coffin" because Niall came on as a substitute ?, or just a 'Typo' ? Well done the celts!!!
It is still possible for Ireland to meet England in the final!

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 12:34 PM

18th June ?

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: THE MAJOR
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 05:18 PM

Fair play to the Irish team to-day they made Ireland rejoice and prove that one man doesn't make a team.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: alison
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 09:32 PM

I was in a session in a pub last night... when the match was on the TVs..... a fella was singing "Song for Ireland"... poor fella got half way through the first verse when Ireland scored......... he was very understanding about me cheering in the middle of his song..... we did all help him to sing it again.....

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 11:20 PM

If soccer is Ireland's third most popular footy code I can only say look out world if they ever take to 'the world game' in a serious way. Congratulations Ireland, you've done your country proud, anything further will be a bonus!

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 05:01 AM

18 June - presumably the reference is to the Battle of Waterloo.

For me, 18 June is primarily the date of Charles de Gaulle's BBC broadcast in 1940 calling on free Frenchmen to join him in England and fight the Nazis. I was aware of this for years, because of an interest in the history of the two World Wars, but it was only recently that I realised it was also the date of Waterloo. I suspect that de Gaulle's choice of that date to make his call to arms was not entirely accidental.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Escamillo
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 06:09 AM

I'll take a minute in this thread to not open yet another one. My congratulations to all who succeeded in the first round and best luck for all. We are enjoying great games !

Argentina has shown excellent players, admirable effort and an erratic direction. (Almost the same as our political and social situation)

Un abrazo - Andrés (from Buenos Aires)

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 08:01 AM

Like Andrés, I don't want to start an extra thread and use this thread instead.

One more Carsten Jancker joke: Who is the most reliable German player? Jancker, of course, for if you pass the ball to him you can rely upon the other team starting a counter attack the next second.

As soon as he was out the German play became better. I hope I won't see him again.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 09:16 AM

Andres, I heard on the news last night that the young and cool people of Argentina are getting David Beckham haircuts --- does any of this apply to you? And commiserations on going out of the cup this morning, I'm sure England will be relieved that there's no chance of meeting Argentina again!

BJ

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Escamillo
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 02:19 PM

No, at least my sons and their friends didn't show any changes in haircuts, but I could consider it for myself, why not? I may be not young, but very cool.

See you in 2006 ! Un abrazo - Andrés

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: beachcomber
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 06:44 PM

In reply to Red Eye, The FAI have been in control of Irish Soccer (Republic that is) since the foundation of the State yet in all that time they have failed miserably to counteract, adequately, the adverse propaganda that is spread and continues to be about the so-called "un-irishness" of the game. This in spite of being involved with a fantastic, worldwide footballing code. Were it not for England winning the World Cup, back in '66 when our population's attention and interest were aroused by TV coverage, we would still be in the "dark ages" soccerwise. This is all as a consequence of the "Ah, that'll be grand" attitude that is still adhered to by so many of our International Officials, a one-time national malaise that is nowadays largely superseeded by a more professional approach to problem solving in this country. Keane was perfectly correct in his identification of our administration's bumbling (One has only to remember the "Rabbit-dazzled-in-ithe-headlights" performance of John Delaney (FAI Hon Treasurer) at those farcical news conferences of last month. However Keane was also perfectly in-correct in rushing to the media to air his opinions at so sensitive a time. McCarthy? his only real failing as a team-manager appears to be his almost paranoidal need to be accepted as the "supremo" . In this new century it will be a progressively more difficult task in the environment of Lottery-win style wages and media driven controversy in football. Good, got that off me chest Goodluck Beach

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Big Tim
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 05:27 AM

My brother in Ireland says that the country is about 3 to 1 against Roy Keane.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: donal
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 06:43 AM

I cant agree with those figures Tim - would I be right in thinking that perhaps your brother would not be a big fan of Roy ? We can all quote scripture to suit ourselves.

To be honest I think the feeling in Ireland has finally softened and the anger has turned to a sadness for both Roy and the whole debacle.

Mark my words though - when the world cup is over there will be a lot of questions asked of the FAI and Mick McCarthy.

http://uk.geocities.com/uskomatonta2001/mick.htm

donal

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: GUEST,Mikey joe
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 07:13 AM

In all fairness Donal I wouldn't agree with those figures. I would say that the country (not just cork) is 10 to 1 against Roy. I agree with you in that the performance of the team has taken some of the heat of the issue but it will resurface.

Mikey Joe

BTW Donal, since you are giving out URLs. look at the comparison between your own words here
(http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=48075&messages=152#722039) and Cork DJ Stevie Gs here
(http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/sport/Keano1.html)

If someone writes something and you quote it give them the credit and don't try to take it for yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Big Tim
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 09:20 AM

I was surprise at only 3 to 1 myself but that's what the man said, the gargle has probably dimmed his brain.

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: Les from Hull
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 12:40 PM

The crowd effects microphone picked up a heartily sung version of 'Are you watching, Roy Keane?'

Subject: RE: BS: Irelands World Cup Part 2
From: ard mhacha
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 01:11 PM

According to The Irish Star the northern half of the country was disgusted with Keane. Donal, it`s a "my country right or wrong" dilemma with you and your Cork friends, surely playing football is about enjoyment, and Roy Keane has demonstrated throughout his career that he is a nasty, snarling, individual. Smile Roy you have all you ever asked for in life and I bet now you are eating your heart out. Ard Mhacha.