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Mark Cohen 10 Jun 02 - 04:39 AM
Nigel Parsons 10 Jun 02 - 04:43 AM
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Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland 11 Jun 02 - 11:09 AM
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Subject: USA ? Korea ?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 04:39 AM

In deference to Michael R, I didn't put the score in the thread title. I would have to admit that the US were outplayed, especially in the second half, and would probably have gone down in flames if it hadn't been for the otherwordly goalkeeping of Brad Friedel (stopped a PK!). But Mathis' goal was perfect, and I think we did quite well to pull a point out of that sea of red shirts.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: USA ? Korea ?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 04:43 AM

It doesn't worry me, but the thread title doesn't necessarily indicate soccer, anyone reading it might have appreciated a "Spoiler alert" in the first line of the message.


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Subject: RE: BS: USA ? Korea ?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 04:57 AM

Everybody's a critic! (insert silly smiley face thing here) I'm not sure what you mean by "spoiler alert" (I think anyone who doesn't want to know the score will stop reading after the first sentence), but yes, if a Joeclone could add "World Cup" to the thread title that would help.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: USA ? Korea ?
From: JedMarum
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 02:18 PM

I wanted to stay up and watch the game, but had a long and busy day yesterday - I crashed early and couldn;t wake up to watch! When is their next game?

I gather the US scored early and it sounds like they sat back and tried to protect their lead (seems to be a sure fire fire way of LOOSING a lead to me). How did the return of our stars affect our play? Did they help/hurt?


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Subject: RE: BS: USA ? Korea ?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 06:30 PM

Jed, the game was rebroadcast at 2PM EDT today on ESPN2 and will be shown again at 1:30PM tomorrow (Tuesday 6/11) on ESPN Classic. It's worth seeing, though doesn't have the same thrill as the Portugal game. Next US match is against Poland, broadcast live on ESPN2 on June 14 at 7:25AM (which is 1:25 AM for me!!!) I wouldn't characterize the US as "sitting on their lead" until well into the second half. They played very well but not brilliantly, against an excellent team who had a decided home field advantage, and they were fortunate to come away with a draw. But that's just my opinion. The match is worth watching just for Brad Friedel's play in goal, which was awesome.

Here's the ESPN World Cup TV Schedule.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: USA ? Korea ?
From: JedMarum
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 10:25 PM

Thanks Mark - I guess I should have gotten cable just to watch these games!


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Subject: RE: BS: USA ? Korea ?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 10 Jun 02 - 11:42 PM

A few of the games will be on ABC as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: USA ? Korea ?
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 11:09 AM

That's great that both USA and Korea are through to the second round.


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Subject: RE: BS: USA ? Korea ?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 11:56 AM

Not yet, Tam...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:20 PM

Speed Skating anyone ??


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: InOBU
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 03:29 PM

Naw... if you ask me, it will be Tristam de Cuna v. Pitcarrin Island for sure. Cheers Larry


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: captain wheels
Date: 11 Jun 02 - 04:48 PM

Go Figo !!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 05:16 AM

Yes, fat B****rd, Australia will take the speed skating. At least we can get something out of people falling over!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 10:47 AM

Les Bleus are out, *sigh* - and so is Argentina - and by the Swedes, no less! Seriously!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: beachcomber
Date: 12 Jun 02 - 07:13 PM

Will you American fans accept a patronising "well done, so far" from a veteran Irish follower who has seen and done it (up to Quarter Final elimination anyway)?? before ?? In fact I'm quite convinced that when the people of the US start to take football in a really serious way (I mean when the popularity of the game more clearly reflects the present status among youngsters and so many women) all those big guns had better watch out! beach


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 11:21 AM

And now it looks very like it might be Mexico versus USA the next round. That could be an interesting rematch. Heave away Santy Anno!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: Declan
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 10:20 AM

Congrats to USA on qualification in spite of a bad result today. And McGrath was right, they play Mexico in the next round.

Full Next round schedule is


Germany v Paraguay

Denmark v England

Sweden v Senegal

Ireland v Spain

Mexico v USA

Brazil v Belgium

Japan v Turkey

Korea v Italy


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 10:31 AM

I knew that they would do that Guest


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 12:33 PM

I said somewhere that "if the US Team didn't completely fall apart".........and in some ways they sure did today. Outside of Agoos who could have done a lot better and perhaps prevented those first two goals.....in both cases he mainly succeeded in screwing up Freidel's line of sight........the worst problem was the frightening way that they almost allowed about a dozen other goals on "set plays." Corner kicks were anxiety squared! Freidel in goal did do an excellent job though and Poland played with that wonderful abandon that only someone with nothing to lose can do. They did a superb job of neutralizing the US air game and frankly outdid them in headers.

We can now thank Korea for the chance to move on and give a nod to Portugal too who were good enough to lose to us and then lose two players to red cards against Korea. One thing for sure, the US is going to really need their heads screwed on straight against Mexico!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 01:34 PM

Well done, USA

I didn't see the match, but given how good Mexico are looking, I don't fancy your chances.

Mind you, in this tounament any can, and often does, happen...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 02:45 PM

Sadly, I think that this thread is a fair illustration of US indifference towards 'soccer'

The team has just equalled it's best World Cup performance since 1930, and Catspaw is the only (I think, from reading the messages) US citizen to respond.

Not going to become a major sport just yet..


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 03:02 PM

Guest,why "sadly"? Here in the U.S. we have "sports" fans - you don't have to pick one to be the best. In fact it is hard to figure out what is a "major" sport around here. Surely it will never topple baseball, American football or basketball but so what? We are overloaded with choices, fortunately or unfortunately. Just last night the Stanley Cup ended, the NBA finals two nights ago, and my Mets are playing the evil Yankees at Shea this weekend. I'm a little sleepy from waking up early to watch these cup matches, but right now is a great time to be a U.S. sports fan.

Hmmm... an England- U.S. final? I will keep on dreaming!

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 03:37 PM

Ron has a point for sure. Soccer has taken over as the most played team sport for kids between 6 and 18 and it has a good sized following here already. We have an MLS team here in Columbus and it draws great crowds. Several thousand people are showing up at Crew Stadium to watch the WC matches in the middle of the night plus the many who tune in at home. But on to Ron's point.....

The WC might draw even more attention were it not for the very things he mentioned. We are inundated with sports on TV and radio as well as every city having some kind of team thing going. Before the Crew and the Blue Jackets came here, this was the biggest college town in the world with Ohio State dominating everything.

The single largest spectator sport in the world and decidedly so in the US is auto racing and a large percentage of the American people have no idea who Jeff Gordon, Sam Hornish, Helio Castraneves, or Michael Schumacher are. Yet right now all the series are in the middle of their seasons with the dullest thing going being Formula I so it's not surprising that Europeans are less than enthused about F1 at the moment.

The catalog of what you can watch either live or on TV is just huge so to me, the very fact that at a podunk city in the midwest so many are enthused about the WC shows just how big Soccer really is. Yeah, it's probably a lot bigger everywhere else, but tell me this......Is the selection of Pro Sporting events as large anywhere else? Not being a smartass, just curious.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 03:53 PM

Well I woke up at 1:30 AM to watch the match (and I overslept this morning...caught World Cup disease!) and I have two things to say: "Thank you, Korea!" and "Uh-oh..." US-Mexico is a major rivalry and I expect sparks to fly at that one. But the US team will have to bring back the sparkle (and the defense!) they showed against Portugal if they want to avoid getting creamed. My officiating-complaint-of-the-match, of course, is the disallowed goal. But those things happen, and it wouldn't have changed the outcome.

As far as US "indifference", well, everyone's entitled to an opinion.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 04:09 PM

No 'Spaw I doubt that any other country has the same choice in sportscasts as the US do. Mind you no other country has as many TV channels.

Ron, I said 'sadly' because football/soccer is as near as we've got yet to a 'global game' Most football fans around the world couldn't care less if the US play, or do well. I expect that some countries want the US to fail badly.

To me it's something about 'Come on, join the world party!'

A lot of US sports seem very insular - one US team/person playing another.

A question: It has been said here that the US thirst for football is low because they can't win the top prize.

Is there any truth in that? Do Americans only like winners?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 04:10 PM

Maybe we should threaten them Mark......You know, we take back all of those 25 cent an hour jobs that went down there awhile back. For all that wonderful economic aid they should show how they feel about our "generosity!" ............ and they probably will by absolutely kicking our ass!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 04:25 PM

Guest, I'm not sure if there is much truth to the statemtent "the U.S. only likes winners". If that were the case the NY Mets would never have lasted! However, if you insist on using that arguement, we can say that not many countries play baseball because they can't be winners!

One of the reasons soccer has been slow to catch on here is because in the early days it was considered a game from "the old country". Immigrants to the U.S. in the early 20th century rapidly tried to become part of the U.S. fabric. While soccer was still played in the parks on Sunday afternoons, the immigrant community made strong attempts to follow U.S. sports - and even if they didn't understand it, certainly their children became followers. Little League baseball, schoolyard games of basketball were growing and those sports rose to the top.

Soccer has a small but rabid fanbase here in the U.S. Since the late 1970's youth soccer has grown to overshadow other youth sports. Now that we have a pro league (okay, the "pro" part is open to discussion!)these kids could have a new outlet when they become adults who buy tickets.

I've been a season ticket holder for the MetroStars since day 1, and even though the action is hardly world class it is a start. I love soccer almost as much as baseball, but I'm glad I have the opportunity to enjoy both!

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 04:26 PM

My understanding of Football(Soccer) is as grim of my understanding of Football. The best kicker seems to be the guy at the net. They seem to be able to kick a ball an incredible distance and hit someone in the forehead every single time. Why not put him up front so he has to shoot at the goals and let another less skilled guy work the net?

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 04:32 PM

Ron,

I don't insist on using any arguement, I'm just trying to get a clearer view as to how things are in the US

On English radio, American commentators suggest that 'soccer' is a kids/womens game and that they 'grow up' to play base/basketball


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 04:35 PM

One more thing...

This World Cup is not drawing as much attention here in the U.S. as previous Cups because of the time difference. Say what you will about Americans, but we love our sleep! Waking up in the middle of the night would be a challenge for most people even if it were the Super Bowl! I'm trying to figure out how to watch the Monday's game at 2:30 and still be awake for work the next morning!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 04:40 PM

Guest, don't believe everything you hear on the radio - I know!!

I'm not sure who these American commentators are, but it is very true that the majority of U.S. sportswriters don't know a thing about the sport. My theory is that they are afraid that their lack of knowledge will be exposed should the game become successful and they do their best to not cover it.

Also guest, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth by using the word "insist", I was merely trying to make a point that your statement can be used two ways. I was only trying to help give you a clearer view.

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: alanabit
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 04:41 PM

The answer to your question Don, is because the team would lose! That guy "working the net" is also pretty good at narrowing angles, diving low (or high) in a hurry and handling the ball. If teams were likely to win games of football by frequently booting the the ball a long way down the pitch, then England would probably have won the World Cup several times. I'm afraid this hasn't been the case. I don't know about the US only liking winners at sport, however, if you look to your ladies team, you certainly have them - two World Cups on the trot. I am sure there are plenty of young US footballers who want to do their stuff on the world stage. I may well live to see a US team win the World CDup.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: alanabit
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 04:43 PM

Bugger. I meant The World Cup. My last post makes it look as though I've got an obsession with ladies' underwear!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 05:23 PM

My last post makes it look as though I've got an obsession with ladies' underwear!

Doesn't every male suffer from that affliction???


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 09:07 PM

Acrtually it's not just the USA that hasn't taken to Soccer as the preferred code of football. Outside England and Scotland it's never really caught on in other English speaking nations, which tend to prefer some other variety of football. Ireland isn't an exception, it's just that there are enough good players in the English clubs from Irish backgrounds to make a great teams, and that's given it a lift back home.

Why that has happened I don't know - maybe it is something to do with symbolic independence. But what I find strange about the US situation is that, while it's predominently English speaking, it's not overwhelmingly made up of people descended from emigrants from England. I'd have thought that the main strength of the game in the USA would have been from people whose roots were in places like Latin America and Italy.

Anyway, the thing is, for one reason or another it's become the world game. Gaelic Football and Aussie REules Football are maybe more exciting to watch, Rugby is maybe more exhilerating to play, while American Football appears to appeal to many American to watch, though not so many to actually play - but the only game that actually has the ability to focus attention globally is soccer.

I hope that there won't be too many Americans who go thinking there's something unpatriotic about their fellow citizens who are going to be cheering Mexico on, and celebrating if they win.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 09:28 PM

No, but the INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service) will be checking the Green Cards of those who cheer for Mexico...........that's just a joke folks, just a joke.....relax...

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 15 Jun 02 - 01:02 AM

Back in the 70's the North American Soccer League imported Pele and created quite a stir. The bulk of the league consisted primarly of over-the-hill English players who were looking for a paycheck. For a variety of reasons the NASL folded.

No we have Major League Soccer which puts an emphasis on American players. No team can have more than 4 foreign allocations, and the primary source of these foreign born players is indeed Latin and South America.

It is interesting to note that both ESPN and Univision (a Spanish language network)are carrying the games here in the U.S. Univision's ratings are significantly higher, but of course they are broadcast as opposed to cable.

I don't think anyone here in the U.S. denies that soccer is THE world game. However as I noted earlier, there are so many distractions that soccer will never be #1 in thie country. That doesn't mean it will be ignored. Hockey is doing very well, without a major broadcast network contract. If the MLS management plays their cards right, they will continue to market towards a niche audience who truly love the sport.

Having attended a number of U.S. National team games over the years, we thoroughly understand and accept that people will honor their native countries teams. We will be just fine.

Ron

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 17 Jun 02 - 04:51 AM

Next to play for you is Germany. I'm looking forward to that game.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Jun 02 - 02:45 PM

I'm sure you are Wolfgang......I'm sure you are...........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup: USA ? Korea ?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Jun 02 - 02:52 PM

Go, Senegal!


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