BS: World Series

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 01:31 PM

Please you US folk tell me as over the tears I have lost track of the various Baseball Teams.
I don

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 01:29 PM

One of my son's favorite movies was Yor. Any relation, YOR?

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 01:13 PM

Can't wait for it to get started.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mad4Mud
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 10:11 AM

I think the first World Series was called something like the Championship of the United States....

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 09:16 AM

Well, MarkS, I've never heard that one.

And I wonder why a New York newspaper would have sponsored a series between teams from Boston and Pittsburgh.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST,MarkS
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 08:12 AM

Here is a bit of trivia which may tie in with Ron Oleskos post
Back in 1903 when the championship series started, it was sponsored by a now defunct newspaper in New York, the "New York World." Thus, the "World" championship series was born and been called "World" ever since.
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 18 Oct 02 - 07:32 AM

Well, I guess I'll have to go with Brazil...though England would be a sentimental favorite.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: SharonA
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 04:39 PM

I'll go out on a limb and say San Francisco will take the series in four games. (Hey, my prediction was correct last year, so I'm one for one, so far! *G*)

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 01:08 PM

I have often been accused of wearing red!!

Of course, I did not bother to mention one of the players we gave up to get Jim Fregosi - a journeyman pitcher named Nolan Ryan! Just one in a string of brilliant deals made by my Mets!

Ron

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: YOR
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 12:56 PM

Thats a great idea Spaw! O's vs. Mets. Mets win it in the 11th after O's go home after 9.

Actually I'm an O's fan and then American League. But this year I'm pulling for the Giants in seven. My love for the Mets comes from my grandfather who played some minor minor league ball in NYC in the 20's.

Go Terps! Beat Georgia Tech!

Roy

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mad4Mud
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:23 AM

LOL!

Next thing you know Ron you'll be wearing red!

Good luck to your team....they'll need it! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:19 AM

Mad4Mud, I am actually very happy for you.   As a Mets fan, I do root for the underdog and the Angels history is certainly a series of ups and downs - and close calls.   It was either their first or second season where they were actually contenders, surprising EVERYONE on how well an expansion team could play.

Not to mention that any team that was owned by Gene Autry surely has a place in my heart.   From what I saw, his heart and soul was in that team.   In this day and age of corporations and focus on the bottom line, we need to remember the passion that once drove this game.

Plus my Mets got Jim Fregosi from your Angels!   That makes us practically related now Mad4Mud!!!!

Ron

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mad4Mud
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 11:05 AM

I know you're teasing, Ron! I don't think anyone who knows the history of the Angels would deny me this moment of pleasure. Even if they don't win (God! What am I suggesting?!) they have had a terrific season with a group that really has shown fabulous teamwork.

Go, Rally Monkey!

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 10:40 AM

Hmmm. A little Western superiority Mad4Mud??? Take a close look at the World Series matchups for the last twenty years or so.   Looks like teams from the East have dominated.

Just teasing.   This should be a fun series. Go Giants!

Ron

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 10:27 AM

No, I'm on the North coast....LOL

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mad4Mud
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 10:14 AM

Oh that's right, Spaw. You're on the East Coast. Sorry! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 10:04 AM

I can't work up anything like an interest in this series at all. Perhaps we need a second series......the two worst teams.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mad4Mud
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 09:27 AM

I've found that those who spend their time arguing over the name aren't interested in the game anyway.



Perdiction update: Angels will still win in 5. They will take the first two games, lose the third and then come back to take the fourth and fifth.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 09:21 AM

Noddy... pay attention!!! See above. It's a brand name. No slight is intended.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST,Noddy
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 08:30 AM

If it was truely a world series it would be held in a different country each time as happens in football (soccer for our US).
Holding a WORLD series in the same country is NOT a WORLD series it is a NATIONAL SERIES with invited guests.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 04:45 AM

Now there's a man after my own heart....soft pretzels, anyone?

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Pseudolus
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 01:37 AM

Once the Phillies were out of it, I lost interest...probably sometime in early May....on the other hand, it was difficult for me to not pull for the Cardinals especially when Darryl Kile's son was sitting on the bench......what a heart breaker!    Oh well, no Cardinals and of course, no Phillies...Go Eagles?


Frank

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 12:52 AM

I was in Anaheim over the weekend, taking my 7-year-old daughter to Disneyland (her mom just moved from Boulder to Ojai), and I noticed the signs everywhere that said, "Go Anaheim Angels!" I guess if they left out the city name (as they would anywhere else) it might have been confusing...

Aloha,
Mark
(Of course Rick is a Yankees fan, Ron...but he still plays guitar pretty good.)

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 10:20 PM

I have a bunch of friends and family in the San Francisco Bay area, so I'm pulling for the Giants! (And hopefully no earthquakes this time...)

-- Gary

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 07:58 PM

Only the lucky ones

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 05:50 PM

Does everybody wind up with the METS?

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: YOR
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 05:33 PM

GO METS!

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 04:38 PM

As a Red Sox and American League fan, I really don't care who wins the World Series, as long as it's not the Yankees or the Giants.
I have to admit I would love to have seen Bud Selig present the trophy to the Twins in their locker-room after they'd come from almost being "contracted" to win the Series. I can but dream.
By the way, is baseball close to achieving "parity" like the NFL?
Just look at the final 4.

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 04:26 PM

Rick, please don't tell me you are a Yankee fan! My image of you is crushed!!!!!   :)

Ralph Terry - finished his career with the Mets!!!

Ron

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 04:16 PM

Hi Seamus.....yeah, I'm here, but a VERERRRY bad childhood memory has been brought up.

Maz

Poor Ralph Terry.

I'm really TRYING to get into this series but it's difficult.

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mad4Mud
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 11:52 AM

Bob, here's my prediction: Angels in 5!!! They always seem to give up one game then power through. Go Halos!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 11:31 AM

Mickey Mantle hit a 585ft. HR in Yankee Stadium and that was quite a feat.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 09:52 AM

Very true Spaw. I grew up in the suburbs of NYC. I came of baseball age just as the Mets were born and I guess the young subversive in me decided to go with the underdog. My lifelong hatred of all things NY Yankees was born. Sorry for my intolerence. For years I drove around with a bumper sticker that said "Warning: I don't Brake For Yankee Fans".

But it is true about the fascination with the Yankees, even among the Yankee haters. There was something about #7 that everyone wanted that number. I did too, but I wanted it because it was also Ed Kranepools number!!

Ron

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 09:42 AM

Funny thing.......For those of us who grew up with baseball in the 50's and 60's, and outside of New York, we now tend to use the phrase "the hated Yankees," and indeed they were for many of us. But for me and most of my friends, ardent Indians fans all, there still wasn't a one of us who couldn't quote the Yankee roster and more to the point, every damn one of us wanted to be "The Mick!" When they passed out numbers in Little League, the one we all sought was #7.......We were too late for DiMaggio, and he wasn't the same kind of guy. Mickey Mantle was the epitome of a baseball player, those massive forearms powering 500 foot home runs......We didn't know much of his personal life, we just knew that if we could, any of us would have played Center Field for the hated Yankees.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 09:38 AM

Don't get hung up on the name "World" series. It isn't meant to be a sign of superiority or anything, it is simply a brand name.

It's pretty simple as to why it is called the World Series. When the American and National Leagues decided to have the first championship back in 1903(I may be off by a year or two), there were NO other organized leagues in other countries. Baseball may have been played by missionaries or ex-patriots in other countries, but the sport was just being introduced.

As a marketing ploy, the series was dubbed "The World Series" to attract AMERICAN audiences to the event.   The National League had been around for a number of years but the American League was just getting off the ground.   The legendary John McGraw once refused to have his NL champ Giants play against the upstart league.

The name stuck. Now there are a number of countries that have leagues, notably Japan and Korea. I believe there is also a league in Italy and I think the Australian league is still together (although on shaky ground from what I've heard). The Caribbean countries have several winter leagues.   U.S. teams have played "series" against these teams, although these were sanctioned as exhibitions. The disparity between level of play has diminished over the years and I wouldn't be surprised if one day an "International Series" will take place. The name World Series will be forever linked to the championship of Major League baseball in the U.S.    While it may seem strange to other countries, the World Series is as American as apple pie.

I am very happy to see the Angels finally make it to the big dance, but - Go Giants!!!!!

Ron

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 09:14 AM

I'll be pulling for the Giants, since they beat both of my teams.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST,chinmusic
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 09:04 AM

Well,chanteyranger, I can relate to early memories of baseball. In the mid sixties, my brother and I went over to Detroit from Toronto and saw the hated Yanks play the Tigers. Denny MacLain grooved one to Mickey Mantle and he hit in the upper deck. It was a big thrill for me. I remember those early Giants teams, with guys like Leon Wagner, Willie Kirkland, and the rest of the Giants you mentioned. I just wonder what Willie Mays stats would have wound up if he had not had to play in Candelstick Park. A lot of flyballs were knocked down by the winds in that park, so his HR's totals would have been much higher. The Angels-Giants series should be a good one, and I really don't have a rooting interest here, other than I hope it is good baseball. The Met-Yankee series didn't draw the big audience on tv like they thought it would, so I'm wondering if the west coast series will be the same. Being an American League fan, because of the Blue Jays, I guess I'm pulling for the Angels, but I also like Dusty Baker a lot. So, may the best team win, and I would like to hear Jack Brickhouse say once more, "The Giants Win The Serires, The Giants Win The Series." Too bad, he's passed away.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 03:32 AM

Bigtime Giants fan here! My father took me to my first game in 1960. What a team they had in the early 60s - Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, Marichal, Perry, Felipe and Matty Alou (though before Matty developed into a star), golden glove third baseman Jim Davenport, but were usually one good pitcher short of putting them in first place...and then in the mid-60s management began their series of what became signature disastrous trades. New management has made a few mistakes, but obviously more good deals made up for the bad ones, and they are committed to winning by bringing in players during the season who can fill in the gaps. So here they are, on top of the NL. Go Giants! Prediction on a winner? No prediction. The Angels are damn good. It's going to be very competitive.

Chanteyranger

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 01:55 AM

I think it's called the World Series for the same reason we have the "World Heavyweight Champion" in boxing. In the early decades of the last century, Americans were, believe it or not, even more insular and jingoistic than they are now. (I don't know when the first World Series was played, and don't feel like looking it up at the moment, but it must have been before 1919, the year of the "Black Sox" scandal.) Since nobody else in the world was playing baseball, it was clear to any American that the best team in the U.S. was the best team in the world. And since then, we've kind of gotten used to the name.

I was 6 when I watched Mazeroski's home run, so I didn't quite know what was happening. All I remember is seeing lots and lots of confetti flying through the air on the TV! Four years later, though, I suffered through the Phillies' agonizing final 10-game losing streak when the pennant was in their grasp.

When I lived in Hilo, our local radio station broadcast the Giants games, so I became a Giants fan (they were always my second favorite team anyway). Here in Honolulu I haven't found MLB on the radio....and you know what? I don't miss it. I only liked listening to the games because it reminded me of being a kid.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST,Wull
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:18 PM

It is amazing how excited the Americans get over a game of "Rounders".

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:35 AM

No not really

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: GUEST,Noddy
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:34 AM

So far no one has explained why it is called The World Series.

Anyone out there know

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:24 AM

JJ... so much for memory... I think that Willie was playing Center Field for the Mets, but clearly it wasn't their first year. The movie The Bronx Tale has the play by play of the '60 World series on in the background, early in the movie... brought back good memories.

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 10:18 AM

San Francisco in 6 games anyone else have a prediction?

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 09:56 AM

that neat about the spot where Mazeroskis home run passed over the fence.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: JJ
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 09:12 AM

Jerry, if you saw Willie Mays play in the Polo Grounds during the Mets' first season in 1962, you saw him play for the San Francisco Giants. He hit .304 that year with 49 home runs.

He didn't need the walker until he came to the Mets in 1972 to finish out his career, and by then they had long played in Shea Stadium.

A section of the outfield wall of Forbes Field still stands in the Oakland section of Pittsburgh, and a plaque embedded in the sidewalk marks the spot over which Bill Mazeroski's home run passed.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 08:20 AM

looks like a california series instead of a subway series.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Hrothgar
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 05:08 AM

Spaw,

If you really get lucky, somebody might show the Ken Burns series on baseball again. Even to a cricket/rugby fan in another country, that was a tremendous series.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 02:59 AM

So Seamus, am I to believe you are not a Barry Bonds fan? LOL

Spaw, ol' buddy, you're right.
And as a diehard Red Sox fan for the last 30 years (there's 30 years off MY purgatory!) I know that Ted Williams never won a World Series ring. Now, he was not a particularly nice person when he was playing, and neither is Barry Bonds. Both truly great ballplayers, and eminently worthy of Hall of Fame enshrinement, but with all their records, homers, batting average etc., they didn't win the big one.
And I hope Barry never does.

Seamus

PS Where's Fielding on this debate? I mean Rick, not glovework.

Subject: RE: BS: World Series
From: 53
Date: 14 Oct 02 - 06:20 PM

Hope the series goes to 7 games no matter who is playing.