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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Beccy Date: 28 Apr 03 - 09:21 AM Hey Finbar- I for one voted for "him" and am glad he is in office. I find your obvious hatred of George Bush interesting. If you detest him so much, move over here and vote him out of office. Even you must admit that the "not elected" salvo you volleyed is debatable at best. Beccy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST,Finbar Boyle Date: 27 Apr 03 - 08:53 PM As a foreigner (Irish) I can only re-iterate what was printed on a home-made placard carried by an American Mormon here in Dublin; HE WASN'T ELECTED. HE EXECUTED CHILDREN. HE LINED HIS POCKETS. LIBERATE AMERICA. He's a moronic buffoon, but he's surrounded by criminals with a bigger agenda. Peace, please,and you who have voices in the US - nip the Fourth Reich in the bud. Finbar Boyle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Kim C Date: 21 Mar 03 - 01:25 PM Arne, I recommend silence in situations where good manners and decency are important, not in life and death situations. For instance, if your lady says, "does this outfit make me look fat?" you're probably better off not saying anything. But if your best friend is obviously drinking too much, you'll want to speak up and say, hey pal, gimme the keys. I've always been amazed at news reports from people who say things like "I heard the screaming next door but I didn't want to get involved." Sure, in that instance you have a moral obligation to get your ass off the couch and call the police, or whatever you have to do. But I don't think I have a moral obligation to tell a coworker he's an asshole, even if that's what I really think. For me, as a performer, being in front of an audience requires some good manners and decency. I don't believe that Natalie Maines was trying to make a protest as much as she was trying to ingratiate herself to a foreign audience. If she truly wanted to talk about peace in our time, I think she could have done a much better job of it IF she had taken 2 seconds to think about it. A better choice of words could have been, "we don't support the course of action our country is taking." Maybe she should borrow one of Sheryl Crow's t-shirts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo Date: 21 Mar 03 - 11:51 AM Kim: I've been fortunate enough to be able to speak my piece without getting into "trouble" (or at the least without someone else's contrary opinions getting in the way of me doing what I think should be done). I understand that many people think they need to "hold their tongue" under certain circumstances, but I still maintain that to do so is moral failure, at least when speaking out does indeed have some effect. I worry a bit that the current atmosphere will indeed slope down to the point when speaking one's mind _will_ get people in trouble. It has happened before, and I don't think it's all that far off again. Silence such as you recommend only encourages those that _would_ like to stifle all dissent (and I hate to say it, but that'd be the powers that be in Washington right now). "Watch what you say ... what you do", sez the maladministration. . . . Cheers, -- Arne Langsetmo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: DougR Date: 20 Mar 03 - 03:54 PM Aw, Kim, I'm sure you didn't do that! :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Kim C Date: 20 Mar 03 - 01:11 PM Arne, if you go and read some of my other postings on other threads, I have said that I think war is only a last resort. I agree with you that people do have a responsibility to say what they think; but I also think, sometimes the time and place are not appropriate for such. That is something I had to learn after many long years of getting in trouble because I opened my mouth at the wrong time, or said the wrong thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST, herc Date: 20 Mar 03 - 12:38 PM Arne: Put another way: She must not have been "well brought up." It most certainly is of no consequence. (Goofballs burning CD's and such, well, they have their priorities mixed up, and you are welcome for the small bit of advice to keep your own aligned.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo Date: 20 Mar 03 - 12:19 PM Mr. Soresomethingoranother apparently also has difficulty reading. I said I _was_ a DJ (for no pay) for a number of years. A bit of intelligence or a Google search might have come up with the conclusion that I wasn't a DJ at a commercial station, so comments about "business [being] real bad" are probably poorly aimed. This station did _not_ have a play list, and I played whatever I damn well pleased, as I'm sure the present DJs do as well. Kim: When you sit back and accept that there is no recourse but _immediate_ war, or acquiesce to its legitimacy because it's already started, you're letting others do your thinking for you. If _you_ have decided that this war is necessary _right now_, well and fine; we'll disagree. But if you were of a different opinion but now think that the time for silence has come, then I think you do not do your own thoughts proper justice. This is not a matter of yelling fire in a crowded theatre. If anyone has been yelling "fire", I'd say it's the maladministration with its colour code du jour and its warnings of boogeymen in the night. As for responsibility, I'd say that if you think that war should only be a last resort, and that there is no need to push to war at the _earliest_ possible moment, then responsibility is _telling_ people that this is what you think. Silence in the face of evil is no virtue; in fact, there are those that say that such silence has accounded for quite a few tragedies in the course of history. Herc: I didn't know that Natalie Maines was related to Dubya, and that this was just a little internecine feud of no interest or consequence to the rest of us. Thanks for that bit of info. Cheers, -- Arne Lnagsetmo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 19 Mar 03 - 04:35 PM Don't worry Kim C, off of the internet Arne is a ?????. "Arne the DJ says 'You seem to be having difficulty making ->>>an aquaintance with reality.'<<<--- Business must be REAL bad down at the Radio Station. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Kim C Date: 19 Mar 03 - 01:19 PM Arne, I don't know where you got the idea that I EVER sit back and let anyone think for me. You don't know me. If you did, you would not have made such a ridiculous remark. I think everyone with decent manners knows that there is a time to keep one's mouth shut. Yelling Fire in a crowded theatre and all that. Isn't that why we have two ears and one mouth? All freedoms carry responsibilities with them. I have the freedom to own a gun, but I have the responsibility not to aim it recklessly at people. Words are the same way, Arne. They are powerful tools that shouldn't be used indiscriminately. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST Date: 18 Mar 03 - 05:44 PM I second the nomination for Bobert - being one I should know - right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST,Texas Date: 18 Mar 03 - 05:20 PM Arne the DJ says 'You seem to be having difficulty making an aquaintance with reality.' Business must be REAL bad down at the Radio Station. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: YOR Date: 18 Mar 03 - 05:17 PM I nominate Bobert for the daily prize of luring in a gutless guest (or two). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: JedMarum Date: 18 Mar 03 - 04:59 PM wow - I go off an celebrate St Patrick's Day, and I miss out on all this fun! I don't know where to begin ... Yeah Rick, maybe it's a tempest in a teacup. I'm already over it. Truth is I like the Chick's music - not a fan, but appreciate their work and their style - I don't suppose this'll make much difference to me down the road. michaelr - I never talked about the war with Brian, but I don;t see this as an idealogical issue. I believe, as most Americans do, that we can wait for this war to come to us, or take care of it now. That is not an idealogical point-of-view. anyway - lots of other comments here, but I'm not bothered about the subject anymore. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST, herc Date: 18 Mar 03 - 04:30 PM Silliness. Just a bleached blonde being a bleached blonde. I doubt that Samuel Clemens would talk trash about his family outside the family. And if he didn't talk substance, he would at least use wit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo Date: 18 Mar 03 - 04:17 PM Kim: Do you really think that time to sit back, be silent, and let others do the thinking for you, is when people's lives are on the line? Just a thought. As for Mark Twain, do you seriously think that he thought it a good think to keep one's mouth shut? You'd have a hard time convincing this Mark Twain fan that he thought that "silence if golden". If he did, he was the world's biggest hypocrite, and I'm firmly convinced he was no such think. Mr. Soresomethingoranother: Arne, I don't think you play or sing squat! I suspect you are on some payroll-which one?-, and worried about the bottom line, as well as being a certain kind of person who will say or do almost anything for more green stuff, hence your presence here, did the 'Manager' send you, are you the dude with the Limo? Dunno, Mr. SF, sounds like _you're_ the one here who's been bought. No, I'm not on any "payroll". Yes, I do play, but not professionally. Yes, I was DJ for a number of years, working for _nothing_, because I loved it. Why do you assume that I must be on the take to hold the positions I do? I'm curious. This thread is not about G W Bush, it is about a big mouthed babe . . . ... who was commenting on Dubya. . . . who dragged an entire state into her foreign public arena privilidged US citizen entertainer put down of G W, it is about the fact that lots of people in Texas not only disaggree with her, but take the opposite view, . . . Imagine my surprise. But it doesn't seem thatthe cause iof your ire was her supposed misrepresentation of the feelings of Texas. Hell, you're just as free to tell the world what _you_ think that the Texas Borg thinks, and it seems you're doing it, so I'm not sure I see what you're complaining about. . . . it is about Texas ain't cowardly, it is about hushing some little spoilt brat who is putting Allied lives in danger by her drunk drugged MISINFORMED outburst, . . . Into ad hominem attack IC. finaly it is about a measured and appropriate response - not the sort that Saddam and Co would be dealing out=a firing squad= though at first that did occur to me- in short Mr Arne moneygrabber it is about knowing the difference between fact and fantasy. "Mr Arne moneygrubber", eh? Your discernment for fact would explain your position vis a vis Dubya's lies as well, I suppose. . . . To sell more CDs . . . LOL. You think she was trying to seel more CDs???? . . . she blabbed and she stabbed Texas in the BACK now she got caught and has to be gagged. Her bleatings about how sorry she is, ain't gonna help her at all, this is War. . . . IC. Natalie Maines has joined the ranks of "Sodamn Insane" and Hitler, even? . . . Not only will Joepublic not buy her shit, I am willing to bet some enlisted babe will take a poke at her. So B4 this is ova, Earl's fate may be one she prays for. IC. Glad to see your true nature coming through. My response is 'hey Chics remember Earl, yeah that one?, the cops have reopened the case, and you are No 1 suspects' You seem to be having difficulty making an aquaintance with reality. Cheers, -- Arne Langsetmo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Kim C Date: 18 Mar 03 - 04:09 PM Yeah, gentlemen except for Kurt Busch and Jimmy Spencer and who was it that got suspended last year for smacking someone on pit road? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST,joe Date: 18 Mar 03 - 03:43 PM she's quoting monica. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST Date: 18 Mar 03 - 03:40 PM It comes from the Officer Corps. One may not respect the individual officer but one must respect the rank. It's the assumption that by virtue of obtaining the position one should be respected - but not always. But the position itself is one of respect. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Marion Date: 18 Mar 03 - 03:34 PM The phrase "respect the office" has come up a few times - what does that mean exactly? Marion |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST Date: 18 Mar 03 - 02:26 PM It was a fine race - mainly gentle men that race in the circuit so they rarely bad mouth each other - as opposed to Bobert's jerkwad rantings above as to heritage. (Those of us who follow the circuit are not always gentle people). And whoever put "heroic" and "dixie chicks" in the same sentence doesn't have a clue. That would be analogous to John Wayne actually being a "hero." Rubbish - |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Kim C Date: 18 Mar 03 - 02:19 PM Oh, okay then. I didn't know that. This is only my second season keeping up with racing. How about that photo finish on Sunday! I'm surprised Kurt Busch didn't put his foot in his mouth after he got second place... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: JohnnyBeezer Date: 18 Mar 03 - 02:15 PM Ok, Let's saddle up and get back in the war!! Johnny N |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST Date: 18 Mar 03 - 02:15 PM Bill France started NASCAR - :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Kim C Date: 18 Mar 03 - 01:10 PM Hey, wait a minute now. I like NASCAR. My brother likes NASCAR. We both have Bachelor's Degrees - mine from Belmont College in Nashville, TN (now Belmont University), and his from the University of Kentucky. We both have dazzling smiles with real teeth. I actually go to the dentist twice a year to keep mine. He probably does too but I never asked him. Who's Bill France? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST Date: 18 Mar 03 - 01:01 PM Jed Marum may just be the most eloquent person on this forum. And for Bobert - yep - no one that follows NASCAR has a dentist, made it through grade school, or does anything without checking with Bill France. Fuck the chicks and fuck you - arrogant POS hippy wannabe from Virginia - Virginia? Say isn't that where all of NASCAR folks went to school? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: YOR Date: 18 Mar 03 - 12:50 PM Great post Bobert. GW is burning on a solid 40 watts. Anywho, I tried to post this yesterday but things got hung up. Ain't free speakin great! This national trend of disagreeing with the big G or the Prez makes you un-american has gone much much to far. The Dixie Chicks just made a quick comment intended to get reaction from the audience. Many years ago Don Henley while touring with The Eagles made this big speech in the middle of the show about saving Walden pond, clean water and save the trees. The audience boo'ed him and he replied that they didn't care. That's it Don, insult your audience, way to go. They cared! They cared that they spent $75 a seat to hear music, not a political rally. Enjoy, Roy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Bobert Date: 17 Mar 03 - 09:10 PM Danged, Larry! Why didn't ya' tell mem that the knicklehead was gonna be on? I just had my tele-poli-graph calibrated and wanted to give it a good test. Oh well... So, ahhh, did you keep a score card? I have a formula that works purdy good fir Bush. I figure 1 *minor* lie per minute and 1 *major* lie every 7 minutes, depending on wind speeed, of course. Now, if ya give 5 points to the major lies and 1 oint to the minors, after a while you can get some kind of bio-rythmic thing going. So, how'd Bush do tonight? His average 2.3 lpm's (lies per minute). Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: InOBU Date: 17 Mar 03 - 08:50 PM PS It is nice to see that the wee man in the White House has no territorial claims in Iraq... does he paint landscapes as well? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: InOBU Date: 17 Mar 03 - 08:49 PM Wilco48... Well it is nice to see CD trashing, the modern equivelant of book burning is alive and well in America. The whole idea of a Kristalnacht to go along with the part 2 "Patriot Act" shows that this legislation is in deed what America wants. Well, lets take stock, internment without charge or trial, removal of citizenship, torture, deportation... and destroying one's work in public... what year is it... 1936? Cheers' Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST,joe Date: 17 Mar 03 - 08:42 PM they're still more popular than jesus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: wilco Date: 17 Mar 03 - 06:41 PM Three music stores here in Southeast Tennessee trashed their CDs. These were mom&pop operations. One of thes stores had a bunch of Ricky Scaggs CDs, Big Mon, which had a cut by the Dixie Chicks on them. They got canned too. Local radio stations pulled them from their play lists. My daughter trashed hers too. Pretty soon, they will be opening for Peter, Paul, and Mary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Beccy Date: 17 Mar 03 - 05:56 PM Perhaps someone more enlightened than I could explain how in the world a singer voicing a political opinion from the comfort of a foreign country instead of from a stage in their own country qualifies her as "heroic"??? I'd be more impressed if she made her pronouncement from an arena in Houston. In the meantime, I think Natalie Maines was a serious wuss and I'm irritated enough to put off purchasing a copy of "Home". Beccy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Kim C Date: 17 Mar 03 - 10:19 AM Arne, I can't speak for Mark Twain; but personally, I believe that the freedom of speech carries with it the responsibility of knowing when it's time to keep yer yap shut. While Twain was a master at pulling people's legs, I don't believe he did it 100% of the time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Troll Date: 16 Mar 03 - 11:09 PM Greg, if you knew all that and knew that the House was doing that resolution bit, why didn't you call up and clue them in? You could have kept them from making a laughingstock of themselves/ Or is that why you didn't warn them. troll ps. I assume that the facts you quoted are common knowledge among the populance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 16 Mar 03 - 07:16 PM Well Jeri, you is right and I is wrang! Yup the code you speak of is the boss here, but that does not mean I ain't madder than a fox in a bread basket, fact is I asked could get a few shots at em meself, but they said A too old and B too darned mad. Oh well, let that chic eat it for a week then we may think about forgiving her! (: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: InOBU Date: 16 Mar 03 - 06:12 PM Ah Pooka, my hat is in deed off to you and I see we agree on a number of things, so, niether of us in a pigion holed thinker. I am glad you see the danger to basic rights these times have brought about, I just wish you saw the war in the same light, but well, that is what makes horse races eh? As to this being moved to the BS threads... Joe no offence, but it shows the sorry state of American free thought. This is very much a music thread... as a working New York folk musician who just had a gig canciled a few hours after I was booked, because of fear of my advocacy for Lynne Stewart... the statements of folk musicians in the new McCarthy age IS not abstract political talk, it is about our music industry... Joe, think about moving this back where it belongs. But, of course, it is your call. Cheers Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: The Pooka Date: 16 Mar 03 - 05:49 PM DougR, LOL!! Congratulations! Aaah you'll adjust to fame just fine. All you conservatives are innately humble. You inherit your self-effacing dispositions from the Godfather: Bill Buckley. :) hee hee hee - The Mother of All Modesty, by Allah...NYC Mayoral candidates' debate, 1965 - moderator, concluding the program: "Mr. Buckley, would you like to make any further remarks?" WFB Jr.: "No, I think I'll just contemplate the great eloquence of my previous remarks." & Greg F, hawhaw!! Oui, d'accord. But the House Repubs are upholding a venerable tradition of silliness. Since I'm bumbling down Memory Lane here anyway: there was once an occasion when House Minority Leader Gerald R. Ford of Michigan, in a big speech on the floor, announced his caucus's new program formally entitled Constructive Republican Alternative Proposals. / Evidently Gerry hadn't thought about the acronym. The Dems did, though...real quick... / I say (though reluctantly), throw Saddam out with his filthy Ba'athwater, since all the alternatives are now even worse; and (not reluctantly) quit projecting our frustration & anger onto people like The Dixie Chicks (for God's sake!) and Jacques Chirac. Like we can pursue our national interests as we see them, but he can't pursue his. C'mon. (But if we *must* Francebash, then at least let's get les produits correcte.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Bobert Date: 16 Mar 03 - 05:48 PM Well< I'm ashamed to say that though I had heard of the Dixie Chicks I had never actually heard anything by them until a couple of weeks ago when I was surfing on the TV and there they were playing a wonderfully arranged and rendered song entitled "Soldiers Marching". I was spellbound by their talent a delivery and just had to wait until itwas over to find out who they were. Well, that doesn't have anything to do with the thread but, hey, I'm proud that one of those ladies had the courage to express herself. Yeah, given their NASCAR, Budweiser and Bubba audience, I think its great. This audience, unfortunately are mostly the Epsilons of society and have been dumbed down sufficient for their roles. Yeah, I'm sure someone is gonna think I'm being aroogant here and maybe I am, but it's true. I've known a bunch of these folks in my day and live in an area that has more than it's share. I love to see someone step out from winning a NASCAR race and say something. I'm sure there are folks on the circuit who have anit-war opinions but in these days, the 1st Ammendment ain't doing too well. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: X Date: 16 Mar 03 - 05:43 PM When the dust clears away there will be an A-bomb in one of Sadam's bunkers and the instructions on how to use it will be in French. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: CarolC Date: 16 Mar 03 - 05:23 PM Do you mean to say, DougR, that all this time you've been holding fast to your position (whatever it is), we could have bought you with a song? Sheesh, if we'd only known this a bit earlier. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: DougR Date: 16 Mar 03 - 05:13 PM Hi Pooka, I'm just fine thank you! Especially so since TTR memoralized me in poetry on one of the threads (forget which one). Being famous will be difficult to adjust to because I'm such a modest person, but I'll try to adjust. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Greg F. Date: 16 Mar 03 - 04:45 PM What's worse is that those childish f##king Republican geniuses in the U.S. House of Representatives stole the public's time to ACTUALLY PASS RESOLUTIONS TO CHANGE THE NAMES OFFICIALLY to "Freedom Fries" and "Freedom Toast"- being, as usual, too f##king dimwitted to realize that the Fries were named an American by the NAME of French, and that the Toast is of Belgian origin. Jesus Wept. Stand Tall, America! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: The Pooka Date: 16 Mar 03 - 04:09 PM Joe Offer - Aww! Ya caved! Put it back in Music!! // NONONO jes' kiddin' Mr Joe. {Wuttsa mattah fuh yoo; yer not Pleasin' all o' da Peoples all o' da Time, here. Hop to it wouldyez :} Now, Larry. (Sorry timelag) - "...as to Sadam invading Kwait... I don't know about you, but I am not a Kawaite, in fact, if I was and you were, as not a member of the ruling elete there, we'd likely be slaves." Well, "slaves" is a bit hyperbolic; but Yeah, & I'm no fan of His Heinie the Emir, believe me. However: one need not be a Kuwaiti to acknowledge that when Saddam attacked, seeking to annex, that sovereign (albeit monarchical) nation, a then-unanimous UN Security Council legally authorized coalition forces, led by us, to repel the invaders under international law. And, that the conclusion of those hostilities entailed Hussein's binding commitment to meet certain conditions, which he has not done, in 12 long years. (The problem now -- and it IS a big one in my view because I do believe in internationalism -- is that the Nations are no longer United.) "Fact is, the new American concevatives are not concervatives at all, but reactionaries who are playing fast and easy with the elimental rights that define us as a people." I completely agree, which is why I oppose the excesses of Ashcroft & Co. Understand, I am not a new American conservative (neoCon). Hell, I'm not even an OLD American conservative (paleoCon), though admittedly I USED to be one, long ago, circa Goldwater. (I didn't say I'm not Old; just not Conservative.:) But, even we liberals can oppose murderous fascistic tyrants who at the moment happen to be brutalizing countries other than our own. In fact, ESPECIALLY we liberals should oppose them. (See Elie Wiesel's recent statement re Iraq.) "You claim that these are new times." Yeah, sadly, I do; & I think I'll stand by that particular claim. Hard to refute. "...If American rights could survive the war against hitler, I expect they can servive any struggle against sadam husain..." Again I agree, with both the expectation & the implicit moral equivalence. (Incidentally, *Hitler* didn't directly attack the U.S. either. Hirohito did. Oh sure, Germany declared War on us after we did against their ally Japan following Pearl Harbor; but still, did we *really* Give Peace A Chance with ol' Adolf? Exhaust all the diplomatic avenues? Y'know, like France did?? / Hm, yeah, I think so too.) But as to American rights surviving, we must be vigilant against Ashcroft's extreme domestic agenda, as well as against Saddam's & (distinctly) Osama's transnational ones. For, ultimately, the same reason: preservation of liberty. "...I am reminded of American concervatives telling me love it or leave it,..." I would never tell you, or anyone, that. And, neither would a *true* conservative. (Granted, an endangered species these days.)(Hi, Doug R. Howareya?:) - TransIdeological Pooka |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Don Firth Date: 16 Mar 03 - 03:06 PM I have respect for the Office of President of the United States. But—considering the fact that the man who now holds that office has trashed the American economy, squandered a hard-won surplus and managed to plunge this country into a national debt which has never before been equaled, while increasing the unemployment rate to near-Depression levels; at the same time, he is tearing up the social safety net; repeatedly tries to placate the public by announcing the launching of good-sounding health and education programs, and then refuses to back them up with the necessary funding; is giving our national forests and other natural resources to corporations for economic exploitation; blatantly disregards the rest of the world's concerns over the state of the environment; enjoins states and cities to be major participants in securing the nation against terrorists, then provides no funding by which to do this; and then erodes local governments and emergency services of their ability to conduct even their normal functions by activating National Guard units, taking away the personnel of police and fire departments and airport and seaport security guards and screeners; and most of all, is positioning himself and his cohorts to stifle any opposition to his policies by repealing large sections of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in the name of "national security" (the cry of all tyrants throughout history); pontificating about long-standing and high-minded American ideals and worthy goals as if he were reading T-shirts and bumper-stickers, while trampling on those ideals and goals by his actions; and is further alienating former friends and allies, and the vast majority of the peoples of the world by arrogantly leading the United States into an ill-disguised campaign of colonial conquest, economic if possible, military if necessary, of the rest of the world, beginning by launching a war in the Middle East which any student of history and geopolitics knows will lead the United States and any other country with the bad judgment to collaborate with it, into a decades-long morass that will make Vietnam look like a toddler's birthday party, will further decimate the American economy by adding the burden of a long and expensive war, will lead to the wanton slaughter of military personnel and innocent civilians alike—and will further create fear and hatred for the United States with the inevitable result, not of quelling terrorism, but creating new generations of terrorists. George W. Bush, his cohorts, and his policies constitute a disaster of global proportions. I have respect for the Office of President. But for the man who currently holds that office, I have only fear and disgust. For God's sake, get that man out of there in 2004. If it's not too late by then. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Peter T. Date: 16 Mar 03 - 02:32 PM Is there any truth to the rumour that they are going to imprison G.W. on the Azores before sending him to Elba or St. Helena? yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: catspaw49 Date: 16 Mar 03 - 02:23 PM So Rick and PT.....Is there still the joint in Toronto called "Hello Toast?" I always thought it was great that someone took Fran Liebowicz's line and actually used it!! Sorry....that really has nothing much to do with the French bashing thing......But if you can bash an entire country, why not Bush? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: CarolC Date: 16 Mar 03 - 02:19 PM Everything that used to be "French" is now "freedom". They sell "freedom fries" here in Georgia now. They come with a tiny US flag stuck in them. I feel really bad for people like French Stewart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Peter T. Date: 16 Mar 03 - 02:15 PM What are they proposing to call French kissing? yours, Peter T. (That the French haven't sued over the use of "French dressing" suggests that they have a great deal of diplomatic patience) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Dixie Chicks Heroic Peace Band From: Jeri Date: 16 Mar 03 - 02:06 PM OK Peter. They're toast...history, kicking bucket, say goodnight Gracie, circling the drain and imminently non-existant. People will buy millions of their CDs just so they can run over them with their Chevy pick-ups. Rick, I never heard the Freedom/French thing until you used it, and I didn't know what the hell you were talking about! |
