Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 10:40 AM

Shambles, you seem more convinced than me about local authorities...

If you had worded your comment,

If these customers are unpaid and making music for their own ammusement, with the licesee's permission, the current law is not in fact on the side of the local community.

I would be in complete agreement.

Jon

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From:
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 10:37 AM

'twould be difficult for me to get across and back, but I'll give it a go.

What happens exactly when the music police attend the scene?

An outline to be prepared for any outcome would be good.

Have you contacted local/national papers? They might see it a a bit of copy to fill up with when they are not reporting "the war".

Any Cat's solicitors? If someone can come up with hard copy, chapter and verse of the current law then there will be egg on the faces of the weapons inspectors.

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 10:29 AM

Well good luck. I'm not convinced the protest will do any good though. I think once these mindless idiots get a bee in thier bonnet, that's it and the law quite unfairly is on there side.

If these customers are unpaid and making music for their own ammusement, with the licesee's permission, the current law is not in fact on the side of the local authority.

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 10:07 AM

I reckon your'e probably right Jon, it was only an idea!

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 10:03 AM

Raggytash

There must be a ghost in the machine then because I had an email from MC this morning

R

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 09:59 AM

LOL John. I think we would be better demonstrating how peacful we really are though.

Jon

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 09:47 AM

It's a well reported fact that MC Fat is no more, in fact I witnessed the disposal of his ashes on Saturday last. I would post the piccys but my steam driving computer won't have it

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 09:36 AM

I got another idea, we should hit them with sticks, if they dont go away, we burn them on a big bonfire.

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 09:34 AM

I have got an idea=if the PEL people give us any hassle , we should tie them up and throw things at them, like tomatoes and hamster shit etc until they agree to stop hassling folkies,[we make them sign something, so they cant change there minds later), if they domt sign it, we just throw them in the river, and if anybody asks what happened to them, we just say that they jumped.john

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 08:06 AM

I could take one passenger but my little fiat punto will not even take my guitar in the boot so it has to go on the back seat - anyone got a volv estate?

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 07:55 AM

Tuesday night, Jon. I'm in Brizzle all day, so have got to hot foot it to get a seat at the Sloop.


Eric, should we try and get some press rounded up for our 'spectacular'?

Perhaps we should melt down our musical metal parts for the war effort?

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 07:53 AM

We need MCFat for a real weapon of Mass destruction

R

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 07:52 AM

Its on Tuesday Jon.

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 07:47 AM

Well good luck. I'm not convinced the protest will do any good though. I think once these mindless idiots get a bee in thier bonnet, that's it and the law quite unfairly is on there side. Odds are they will just dig there heels in more firmly.

That said, I quite like the idea of giving them a little extra hassle as long as the pub doesn't get into trouble. What day of the week is it? I've toyed with idea of persuading Pip up there for a while but it's a fair journey from North Norfolk.

If I did make it, in addition to my usual WMD, the banjo, I will make a special effort and include the even more deadly melodeon in case of heavy conflict. Pip is quite leathal on the piano, an excellent weapon if you can lure an unsuspecting group of people into a trap but lacking in portability and quite unsuitable for this type of short sharp attack.

Jon

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 07:16 AM

Avoid advertising PTH there or they'll probably send in RSPCA inspectors as well !

Best of luck with it - It's too far for me to drive to from SE London.

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: The DeanMeister
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 06:31 AM

Count me in. Beverley muso's should maybe arrange to share a car? Any offers? This could be fun!!

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 05:59 AM

Forget previous thread, that would be Barton Upon Humber, would it.
You'll have to excuse a Lancashire Lad for not knowing his geography of the East Side of the Pennines !!!

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 05:56 AM

Where is Barton, I've tried to look it up on streetmap uk, but although it has numerous Bartons none is in Lincolnshire etc a Barton Cliff near South Ferriby.
I think I would like to take part in a mass sing-a-round next Tuesday

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 05:51 AM

Yes, a mass trespass seems like a good idea - particularly if you can get the press there. I'll do my utmost to be at the Sloop next week.

Fortunately for us in Beverley the East Riding seem to be much more laisez faire in their attitude although we are only a few miles away from Barton. I'd hate to think what the Lincs officers would make of the Folk Festival Fringe since only the Foresters and the Sun have music licences!!

Roger

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: KJ
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 05:22 AM

We'll be there. I like the concept of comforting oneself with music & what a better place to do it in a pub where one has access to other forms of 'solace'. I'm afraid someone has got it in for 'The Sloop', & yes the absentee landlord is a b*****d by all accounts, but the present tenants are working hard to keep the place going & have been very welcoming, so it seems very unfair. Its a shame its not the middle of summer as we could have all played outside on the pavement, entering the pub for previously mentioned 'solace'. I wonder what laws we'd break then? Breathing probably!!!

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: GUEST,ET
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 02:09 AM

Could all local players think about going to the Sloop next week. Approaches are continuing about forming a "folk club" and I will keep you posted here.

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 05:37 PM

Perhaps it could be pointed out to the police that there is case-law under the current law that does make a distinction between paid 'performers' and pub customers 'solacing themselves with the music'?

As the distinction is something the new legislation is determined to change, perhaps we should all be fighting to establish it now, a little harder, rather than just waiting for the new law to wipe this vital distnction away?

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: GUEST,ET
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 04:31 PM

And get jobsworth flung out - not a guest at the party!

Hope local press will be there next week when we hold session in private room - or musicians peering out from behind curtain!!

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: breezy
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 04:23 PM

arrange with the landlord to use the area for a private party.

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 04:14 PM

this council/goverment is a load of shit, i have been to this session loads of times, and usually there is only the folk people there, and it is in the middle of nowhere, so it can't be bothering any neighbours.anyway you cant even hear the music outside the pub anyway, , why cant these arseholes just piss off and mind there own bisiness?

john

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 04:00 PM

bastards!

Subject: RE: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: GUEST,ET
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:33 PM

I should have added that at last nights raid there were about 10 musicians and one other regular watching television in another bar!

Nice to now the council supports small pubs and businesses!!

Subject: Music Police raid Sloop, Barton Lincs
From: GUEST,ET
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 03:32 PM

I gather as Parliament debated Iraq the Music Police of North Lincs Council had other more sinister targets to consider and raided for the second week running, the Sloop at Barton. They had been the week before and "advised" the setting up of a folk club as a private club. This was done but the return visit disapproved the curtained off area and demanded a separate room. Attempts are being made with the Landlord to satisfy these demands. Maybe there are weapons of mass destruction around including the deadly piano accordian and maybe even the more leathal mandolin!

It is hoped to get this years old session going again next week but fear the arrival of an armoured personnel carrier from Scunthorpe!

Remember this - support the campaign to keep acoustic music away from licensing - make life hellish for your MP and make sure nothig slips under the smokescreen of war!