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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Teribus Date: 03 Apr 03 - 07:36 AM Hi Jon, As I said I have not read anything about this anywhere, so I do not what reports Charley Noble was referring to, or to whom they were made, or when they were made. For arguements sake, if they were correct, on what grounds could you approach the Syrian Government to investigate the matter? UN sanctions exist that require Iraq to rid itself of WMD in a clearly verifiable way - just trucking them over the border to Syria, so that they can be trucked back at a later date does not fulfil the UN requirement. Another thing that has occured to me - How many U2 surveillance flights actually took place, or were there any? With regard to the possibility of Saddam's WMD being in Syria, I would imagine that apart from the Syrian Government saying that they are there, the best information will come from Iraqi's who actually took part in the removal, or Mossad (their intelligence network inside Syria has normally been fairly good in the past). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 03 Apr 03 - 06:30 AM Reports from Iraqi defectors stated that the stuff was being moved around. From what Charley says the reports seem to infer by the use of "were" that this stuff was moved into Syria sometime between discussions starting up regarding the new resolution and inspection teams actually starting work. The activity could explain why Iraq was so reluctant to allow U2 surveillance flights earlier, it finally conceded that these could take place but by that time the stuff could already have been out of the country. This gets more and more puzzling. If I'm understaning this, we get reports indicating that Iraq has moved it's WMD to Syria but rather than investigate this, attack Saddam over WMD that we have reason to believe he no longer posses? Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Troll Date: 03 Apr 03 - 06:20 AM Kevin, you demand an imposibly high standard of proof. The only way you'll believe that Saddam has WMD is if he uses them against the Coalition Forces. If he does, though, he loses the sympathy of the world because it will be obvious to all that he lied. If he doesn't use them and they are discovered after the War is over, he wins because obviously the US planted them, therefore the US /UK Coallition is discredited, Saddam is vindicated. and he regains power in Iraq with the blessing of the world. He is then free to go his merry way and develop whatever WMDs he pleases since there will be none to oppose him. And if you've thought of it, you can damn-well said bet Saddam has too. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Teribus Date: 03 Apr 03 - 06:12 AM Charley Noble, mentioned the following in another thread; "There are other reports surfacing now that Saddam's chemical weapons of mass destruction were trucked into Syria. Maybe, maybe not." I personally have not come across anything in print on this but it got me thinking about it. Syria and Iraq are both governed by Ba'ath Party regimes so there is a political commonality that would permit such action. Reports from Iraqi defectors stated that the stuff was being moved around. From what Charley says the reports seem to infer by the use of "were" that this stuff was moved into Syria sometime between discussions starting up regarding the new resolution and inspection teams actually starting work. The activity could explain why Iraq was so reluctant to allow U2 surveillance flights earlier, it finally conceded that these could take place but by that time the stuff could already have been out of the country. Another thing regarding WMD, what the UNMOVIC and IAEA teams went back into Iraq to determine was; 1. Are weapons programmes still in operation, either at the stage of production, development of weaponisation, development of delivery systems, or is research still active. 2. What had happened to the stocks and weapons that were known to exist at the time of UNSCOM's departure in 1998. In a way I hope this stuff is in Syria, because if it is, Saddam cannot use it. One of the main advantages of the US/UK military build up was that once the the ultimatum had expired action could be taken immediately - which would mean that Saddam did not have time to get the stuff back and into position for possible use against US/UK forces. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 Apr 03 - 05:25 AM I think what people were saying that they anticipated that at >I>after the invasion was completed, if Saddam had not used WMDs evidence that he had in fact had them would be planted. Still early days. If the alleged cast-iron evidence that he had them is accurate, we can expect that they will be used before long. If they aren't, that would be a pretty strong indication that in fact they don't have them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Wolfgang Date: 03 Apr 03 - 05:13 AM Where are the WMDs? That's an interesting question but not only to those who claimed Saddam had them but also to the other faction. I'm surely not the only one remembering that a couple of days ago or a few weeks ago there was a thread in which posters said they'd be sure that very quickly after the invasion (no, I don't want to discuss my use of this word) WMDs would be detected, namely being planted by the allied forces. I'd like to see the response of these people here too, for the lack of evidence for WMDs should give those people something to think. Have you been wrong? Does the US army tell here the truth? Have they been too busy in the first days to plant the evidence? Come on, same as I enjoy reading the responses and rationalisations of those who believed in the reality of WMDs I'd love to read the rationalisations of those who were sure the USA would plant them. So, where are the WMDs? Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Teribus Date: 03 Apr 03 - 03:15 AM Guest Boab: "There are reputable medical sources which say that much of the poor health statistics in Iraq, for instance [poor health, birth defects and much more] can almost certainly be traced to the use of this abominable poison during the last Iraqi conflict" If such exists I'd dearly like to see it. The statistics often quoted by your reputable medical sources have been debunked, their base is seriously flawed. Also none of the health problems that predominate in the southern areas of Iraq are present in the north of the country. That couldn't possibly have anything to do with what Saddam and the Ba'ath regime have been doing in the south of Iraq over the past 12 years - deliberate poisoning of ground water - loss of the Ma'dan fishing industry (60,000 tons of fish per year) - nope, none of that would affect the health of those living there, it must all be down to to what the UN coalition forces did in less than 100 hours, 12 years ago, about 80 kilometers to the west in open desert - Sorry Boab I don't buy that. US military are obligated by US law to eradicate all chemical and biological stocks and weapons by 2007. Most of the munitions stored are for obsolete weapons, no longer used by the US military. The whereabouts of such stocks is known, they are routinely inspected and are currently being destroyed as part of a programme to meet the 2007 deadline. The US also provides storage and carries out controlled destruction of such items for other signatories to the CWC - all well documented, all well audited. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: GUEST,Boab Date: 03 Apr 03 - 02:49 AM Troll's rhetorical question as to whether or not the Geneva Convention banned cluster bombs is pretty similar to asking if Jesus Christ ever tried to ban cigarettes! For someone who has "very little knowledge about depleted uranium shells" and "seem to recall something about their use in Yugoslavia", he seems perfectly capable of churning out a screed [part truth part nonsense] about the mechanical qualities of the substance. Does he know any exservice people who claim ---with great conviction---to be suffering from the effects of exposure to this stuff? I do. There are reputable medical sources which say that much of the poor health statistics in Iraq, for instance [poor health, birth defects and much more] can almost certainly be traced to the use of this abominable poison during the last Iraqi conflict. Weapons of mass destruction are much in evidence in Iraq today; they all seem to be in use by the "coalition of the willing'. Strange, by the way, how "chemical weapons" were never officially classified as "W.M.D."s till it was thought that Saddam might have them. [Not that I wouldn't support a ban on such weapons. And it's worth while noting that the U.S. refused to do just that.] Let's all pray that very soon an optimistic pronouncement by Tommy Franks, Rumsfeld or Bushie-tail Blair will turn out to be the truth for a change, and all the killing will stop. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Troll Date: 03 Apr 03 - 02:04 AM When did the Geneva Convention ban cluster bombs? It is my impression that they are being used only in uninhabited areas where units of the Republican Guard are dug in. If anyone has different credible information, please share it. I have very little knowledge about depleted uranium shells but I seem to recall something from their use in the former Yugoslavia that they are only dangerous if the fragments are pulverized to a fine dust and then inhaled. They are not designed to pulverize but to fragment. I've dealt with pieces of depleted uranium and the stuff is HARD. You cannot cut it with a file and it's impossible to drill with normal shop tools. You CAN grind it but you'll wear out an 8 inch carborundum wheel before you make much impression. To answer your question, Guest pdc, the US has the most WMDs (probably) and Saddam Hussein has used them the most often. We used ours once, nearly 60 years ago, and Saddam has used his at least twice that we know of. Once in the Iraq/Iran War, and again against his own people. Both of these times were within the last 25 years. Whether any other countires have used them since WWI, I don't know. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: GUEST,pdc Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:41 AM Sorry -- that should have read "depleted uranium shells," not bombs. The illegal bombs the US is using are called "cluster bombs." This from Yahoo News: The United States is showering targets in Iraq (news - web sites) with the most unpredictable weapons in its arsenal: tiny cluster bombs so deadly they can demolish a tank, but so erratic they can take years to blow up. The U.S. Central Command in Doha, Qatar, said it is investigating reports that cluster bombs killed at least 11 civilians in Hillah, a city 60 miles south of Baghdad and the scene of heavy fighting. The military acknowledged for the first time Wednesday that cluster bombs were being deployed. Human rights groups have called for their ban, and their use during the campaign to oust Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) is particularly sensitive because of the stated aim of the U.S.-led force to minimize civilian casualties. "Cluster bombs have a very bad reputation, which they deserve," said Colin King, author of Jane's Explosive Ordnance Disposal guide and a British Army bomb disposal expert from the 1991 Persian Gulf War (news - web sites).... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: GUEST,pdc Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:27 AM And further on weapons of mass destruction...check this site, if it's still up -- a lovely piece on the US using depleted uranium bombs in Iraq, which is shameful. www.sundayherald.com/32522 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: GUEST,pdc Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:09 AM An alternate question: What country in the world has the most weapons of mass destruction, and uses them most often? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Troll Date: 03 Apr 03 - 12:29 AM Lurker, I think that he was buying protective gear in the '90's, long before bush became President. "Why would it be improbable that Saddam would think along the ines "Well, If I did it, why should I assume they won't if it suits them"?" You have a good point there, Kevin, but I don't believe that that's the real reason for all the chem protection gear. To protect HIS troops from gas that THEY release, that I'll buy. Remember, he needs the Republican Guard for protection as much against his own people as he does against outside forces. Remember the uprisings in '91. He doesn't even trust his own inner circle. Last year he placed several of his high ranking Ministers under house arrest for no apparent reason. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Apr 03 - 11:25 PM Yup. Yew cain't be too keerful, so us cowpokes are searchin' the hills and the whole danged town, jest in case Pepe hid thet thar rifle someplace out thar. We figger we will find it soon enough. We still ain't got inta his home, but it is lookin' worse for wear. One of our boys got bit by a rattler while scourin' the hills fer Pepe's Weapons of Mass Dee-struction, and it is definitely Pepe's fault! He trained that snake. We are gonna git him fer that. If our boy dies, Pepe is guilty of murder. Murder of a white man is whut I mean. Murder of an Ay-merican citizen. He will hang...if'n we don't shoot him fust. We appear to have shot his 12 year old daughter in the crossfire. It's his own danged fault fer not comin' out and giving hisself up to justice! He has got a lot to answer fer. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Barry Finn Date: 02 Apr 03 - 09:36 PM There are no WMD's in Iraq, at least not yet. In 91 we left Iraq in shambles & proceeded to slowly squeeze the country with sanctions. They were lucky that they could afford to get a barrel a day oil out of the ground so they could eat never mind embark in a nuke/bio/chem programs. But really this Sad-mam, IMHO, would've used any & all of these weapons in his last gasp to ward off the invaders by now if he had them, he hasn't even got a scud to toss, no? Why not? Did he forget where he hid them or did he just lose the instruction manuels (probably were written in english so he couldn't read then (dirty trick), maybe they were stolen by Syria (we'll soon find out), or sold to the Russians (here comes that ol cold war threat again)? If he didn't have them yesterday & he didn't have them today, he's sure as hell gonna have them tommorrow. (2 negitives make a possitive?). I do believe we've got our big toe on the mid east soil with Afgan but with Iraq we'll be sitting on the throne ready to crown boot washer & next we'll have another Israeli/Palestine & the Kurds will be sucking wind in the north while the dust buries those in the south & they can both eventually gang up on the bastard who's been left behind in the middle. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 02 Apr 03 - 09:26 PM Come on, people! We're talking about searching an area the equivalent of France! And under wartime conditions, too! What's more, we've got to remember that Saddam had four years of no inspections in which to hide whatever. Moreover, if the chemical and/or biological agents have not been made into actual shells/bombs/whatever they would be easily transported and hidden. A tank semitrailer full of this stuff could be easily moved from one place to another. Iraq has shown very little concern for safety/security with such things, even regarding threats to their own population, so the materials may be hidden in places without the extended containment facilities that we would expect here. This would facilitate the moving around of such stuff. There is an area, still under Iraqi control, which is deeply dug in (as in tunnels and mines) and remote. The coalition people know about where it is, and it is one of the best bets for where the smoking gun lies hidden. Eventually we'll find out if that's where the stuff is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Forum Lurker Date: 02 Apr 03 - 08:43 PM Troll-While I certainly don't think that Saddam is morally opposed to the use of nerve gas, recall that our own fearless leader has stated his willingness to use such weapons on Iraq if deemed necessary. A man as paranoid as Saddam would quite likely take such threats seriously enough to purchase countermeasures. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Apr 03 - 07:36 PM "The discovery of numerous caches of chem protection suits and atropine auto-injectors does make me wonder just who the Iraqis thought was going to use chemical weapons on whom." Any potential enemy who happened to have them. That could mean the USA, Russia, Iran, Israel... Why would it be improbable that Saddam would think along the ines "Well, If I did it, why should I assume they won't if it suits them"? As Doug said, we'll see soon enough, one way or the other. The idea that in a life and death situation Saddam is going to refrain from using weapons he has at his disposal, just in order to embarass the invaders politically, does not seem too plausible. After all, if he was running the invasion it seems fair to assume he'd plant the required evidence if it was needed, and he'd be likely to take it for granted his enemies would do the same. So there'd be very little political gain to be made in any case. If he does have them I think it is quite likely he'd use them initially in such a way that it appeared that it was the Americans who were deploying them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Troll Date: 02 Apr 03 - 06:20 PM Here is a link to a BBC article from 24 Jan. 03 http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/03_Unrest/030124.Saddam.preps.chem.w.html troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Troll Date: 02 Apr 03 - 06:07 PM The atropine auto-injectors were probably some of those that Iraq purchased from Germany last year. As I recall, they bought several million doses of the nerve gas antidote. The instructions may well have been in English because the Germans hoped to sell them to the US after 9/11. No proof, you understand, but it does explain the English instructions. The Iraqi buyers may not have noticed the slip or they may have been in too much of a hurry to close the deal before the US found out about it. I am not srue whether atropine was on the proscribed list or not. The discovery of numerous caches of chem protection suits and atropine auto-injectors does make me wonder just who the Iraqis thought was going to use chemical weapons on whom. Since they don't seem to balk at breaking any of the rest of the articles of the Geneva Convention, I see no reason to suppose that they wouldn't break the one concerning poison gas. After all, it wouldn't be the first time. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Walking Eagle Date: 02 Apr 03 - 05:46 PM I would prefer that we find the nasty things. I would like to be able to believe my government, I REALLY would but... One good thing is that news media is not letting Rumsfeld et. al go off message on this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Charley Noble Date: 02 Apr 03 - 09:08 AM Not a single chemical warhead, Can't find them with the infrared, Wherever can they be, Let's ask Uncle Ned! But why not save ourselves a lot of trouble and just ask DougR? Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: CarolC Date: 02 Apr 03 - 09:04 AM As alluded to by the rumour Don mentions, the country that is apparently next on the agenda for "shaping the strategic environment in the Middle East" is Syria. What? Can't find the WMDs in Iraq? No problem, we'll just "roll back" Syria, and when we don't find the WMDs there, we'll attack Iran and look for them there. Of course, we'll have to leave an occupying force in all of those countries just in case they try to start up some sort of WMD program at some point in the future, and we'll have to take control of their resources to pay for our efforts. But hey, no problem. It's no skin off our nose. They're all just a bunch of terrorists (and future terrorists) anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: mooman Date: 02 Apr 03 - 08:20 AM Sorry...here it is Chemical weapons and Iraq moo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: mooman Date: 02 Apr 03 - 08:18 AM And here's a link that muddies an already muddy situation even more: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: mooman Date: 02 Apr 03 - 08:09 AM I personally still cannot understand why the US has not signed the Bioweapons Convention and, in July 2002, scuppered an important initiative at the UN to strengthen the Bioweapons Convention by adding mandatory inspections to verify that no nations were developing illegal bioweapons. Perhaps someone could enlighten me? Peace moo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: DonMeixner Date: 02 Apr 03 - 07:35 AM I heard a radio interview with a man who has a newsletter called The International Security Weekly, or words to that effect. He spoke of a recent test conducted between Syria and Iraq (Recent means while this war has been going on) and witnessed by satilite where trucks were driven accross the border from Syria, into Iraq, placed into procsrcibed locations and positions and then after a certain amount of time the trucks returned to Syria. According to this gentleman these very trucks were seen crossing the border into Syria at the time of the Great Search for WMD. And they haven't returned before this test for any reason. The gent further states that these trucks appear to be the type used to carry and launch SCUD missles and they were postioned at locations that would be consistent with missle launches on Israel. I have no clue whether or not he is a loon or a true intelligence anylist. BUt his story is just as believeable as some of the other equally odd stuff we have heard , read, and written showing the US as a bunch of Cowboys with thoughts of free oil and empire in the minds. Don |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Hrothgar Date: 02 Apr 03 - 03:58 AM Little Hawk, I'll make sure that the rifle found in Pepe's house has been fired. He won't be around to say it wasn't him that fired it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: DMcG Date: 02 Apr 03 - 03:29 AM A day of two ago there was a newscast showing some of the injections the Americans had found at an Iraq training camp, demonstrating that the Iraqis must have WMD. Oddly enough, the instructions on the leaflet saying what it protected against and presumably how to use it were in English. These Iraqis must be really cunning to produce leaflets in a language they can't read specially to confuse the propaganda machines... Even more oddly, I haven't see that particular shot anymore either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: GUEST,BOAB Date: 02 Apr 03 - 03:09 AM Saddam definitely DID have some. But during the final days of the leadup to war, Bush was more or less demanding that he give up the last peashooter. I seriously doubt the existence of any significant presence of any such weapons in Iraq over the past few years---although there is certainly evidence of their presence there now! Patience, Donald, Troll Dick,Tony, Doug et al----"evidence" of WMD will be found. It has to be, if the warriors are ever to be able to face the human race again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: DougR Date: 02 Apr 03 - 01:58 AM What's to talk about? Saddam said they had none! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: DougR Date: 02 Apr 03 - 12:54 AM Time wil tell. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Apr 03 - 12:41 AM This very day, on Terry Gross's NPR program "Fresh Air" she spoke with Joseph Cirincione, (see if this link takes you there). In the program promo it says he
Gross asked him about what happens if conventional weapons come into contact with these Weapons of Mass Destruction--and the answer is chilling and quite lucid. It sounds, from his specualtion, that the U.S. is trying to hit the delivery systems (the devices that launch WMDs) and not the warheads themselves. Hit one of those nasty things when it's "hidden" in a city full of innocent bystanders, and you condemn them all to death or a horrible life. On a different NPR interview today, I heard an interview with a journalist from The New Yorker discuss how the Iraqi citizens he has met during this war have been very clear that they don't confuse him, an American journalist, with his government. I was pleased to hear him say that the Iraqi citizens who heard Michael Moore's remarks at the Academy Award ceremonies were heartened by his remarks. Yesss! Weapons of mass destruction? The only ones we know for sure about are the ones held by the U.S. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Apr 03 - 12:41 AM Ah kin guaran-dam-tee that a rifle will be found in Pepe's hovel when they finally reduce it to a pile of smoking debris. It will be a rifle that Pepe never fired, for some mysterious reason, but it will be there... By the way, I forgot to mention that those other two Mexicans Pepe killed...well...the big cattle rancher paid him to "take out" those guys, but things were different back then. Pepe was on the payroll, you see? So it was sort of okay under those circumstances. True, it was murder...and it was really quite nasty...but those guys he killed didn't like big ranchers. They were a threat to community life. Pepe became a threat to community life later. That was because he didn't turn out to be as good at killing the other Mexicans as one might have hoped he would, and then the bugger went inta business fer himself, and started trying to buy a rifle somewhere. Frankly, he was a big disappointment. Wal, the siege is still goin', and Pepe and his family are provin' more resourceful than expected, but they are only a buncha lousy wetbacks, right? Shouldn't take too long to smoke 'em out. Let's git to it! Ah think we'll jest haul one o' them Alamo type cannons inta town, and blast him clean outa that Adobe hut, that's whut we'll do. Damn right! - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Troll Date: 01 Apr 03 - 11:38 PM Saddam will only use his WMDs when he knows that all is lost. He probably thinks that if he can just hold on long enough, world opinion will force a halt to the war, leaving him in power. If he uses chem or bio weapons otherwise, he proves that Bush and Co. were right all along. It was reported tonight that a unit in the northern approaches had found "equipment and documents" that indicated the presence of chemical weapons. By the way, most modern countries have bio and chem warfare labs. Why? simple. You have to be able to study chem/bio agents in order to figure out ways to counter them. Yes, I know that they are illegal for use in warfare under the Geneva Convention. That didn't stop the Iraqis or the Iranians from using them, did it? troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Bobert Date: 01 Apr 03 - 10:34 PM Well danged, L.H.! I think you have it purdy mcu boiled down to the basics. But what's your take on the Bush administration wiggling out of their situation? Planted evidence? If Vegas were puttin' odds on "planted evidence", what do you figure the odds would be" 9-2? That's about what it would take to get any betters.... And, BTW, good luck, Pepe... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Apr 03 - 08:10 PM Saddam's big mistake was in NOT acquiring undeniably deadly weapons of mass destruction before being attacked (like nukes). If he had done so, he would almost certainly not have been attacked. This is like Pepe, the Mexican, who had nothing but a knife and a shovel, but he was on some very valuable land that the cattle baron wanted for his ranch. The cattle baron got concerned that Pepe might actually get hold of a rifle, and everyone knows that dirt-poor Mexicans are not the kind of people who should EVER be permitted to have that sort of firepower. It was also known that Pepe had a bad temper, had beaten his wife on occasion, and had given some of the other dirt-poor Mexicans a tough time, having killed one or two in disagreements. So...the cattle baron spread the word that Pepe was most likely hiding a rifle somewhere, and sent 50 heavily armed gunmen to "take out" that nasty Pepe. Pepe is now holed up in his adobe hut, which is riddled with bullet holes, but he is still defiant. One of his kids succeeded in nailing a cowboy in the eye with a rock, before getting blown to kingdom come. Two more cowboys have suffered blows to the head with brooms and frying pans while trying to kick down Pepe's door. Pepe and his family are using totally unfair and dastardly fighting tactics, but the posse expects to have him strung up soon...maybe in a week or so...or a couple of months...or a year. Stay tuned. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Bobert Date: 01 Apr 03 - 07:55 PM McGrath: Well, if Saddam doesn't use them and we don't find them, is there any chance at all that the Bush made up this stuff as grounds to carry out a sinister plan in the Middle East? Could that be? And in that case, would Bush owe the Iraqi people an apology for killing a couple hundred thousand of them? Jusy curious as to protocol here.... "Ahhh, sorry, Saddam. Even though you're a bad, bad man, we were wrong and shouldn't have blown up your country. Real sorry. Hear?" Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Walking Eagle Date: 01 Apr 03 - 07:53 PM Nope, don't have 'em. I even checked my refrigerator. Many unknown things lurk there, but no WMDs. And this Ind'un ain't lyin' neither. On a serious note, I hope they have been destroyed. Serious egg on our face if we can't prove it though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Apr 03 - 07:33 PM If Saddam has them, they'll be used. If they aren't used, he hasn't got them to use. So naturally I hope he hasn't got them to use. Touch wood. We'll see soon enough, I imagine. Unused stocks? That doesn't sound too credible to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:57 PM I still reserve judgement on this one. They may exist and if they do, I think they would probably come into play in Baghdad. The one thing I feel confident on, used or otherwise, is that WMD will be found when the war is over. Take that how you please. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: gnu Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:55 PM Thanks LH, I feel better now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:49 PM Lurker - Hmmmm. Yes, this means that Uncle Scrooge McDuck may well have some WMD's too. This is a bit worrisome, but I think as long as we leave his money bin alone, he will not use them. Same logic applies to Iraq, presuming they had any WMD's, but they probably do not. It would be nice if we could make the whole World safe simply by bombing and terrorizing everybody who doesn't do exactly what we want them to, and who agrees to remain poor and powerless to boot, but it's a pipedream. You can never have safety when poverty...and tremendous wealth and excess...exist side by side in the same community...and when poverty is perpetuated by the people in charge of that community, in order to feather their own nests. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:44 PM They had that man Perle on the telly last night - he said if they didn't find any it would mean they must have been buried or destroyed when they bombed Saddam's palaces. I remember when it was suggested that one of the reasons the records of the alleged stocks weren't available might be because of previous raids which had taken place, but noone seemed to find that too plausible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Forum Lurker Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:37 PM Little Hawk-You forgot everyone with enough cash to buy the warheads from former Soviet satellite countries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: TIA Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:21 PM Walking Eagle: Prove to me that you DON'T have them! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:16 PM They're at the major USA and British military bases, on their aircraft, on their ships, in their bio-warfare labs, and so on. Oh, and the Russians, Israelis, French and Chinese have a goodly number of them too. Enough to kill a couple of billion people, I expect. Pakistan and India have a few of them. North Korea may have 1 or 2. That fairly well sums it up. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: gnu Date: 01 Apr 03 - 05:53 PM Syriously, where could they be ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Charley Noble Date: 01 Apr 03 - 05:39 PM They're not under the bed, There's nothing in the shed, Wherever can they be, Let's ask Fred! They're not under the spread, There's nothing in the head, Wherever can they be, Let's ask Ed! Charley Noble |
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Subject: BS: Where are the WMDs? From: Walking Eagle Date: 01 Apr 03 - 05:29 PM Hey! Maybe they are hidden under my bed! No, not there. I'll check my basement, No, not there either. They must be out in my shed. Nope. I wonder where they are? Have any of you seen them lately? |
