Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?

Subject: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 09:42 AM

A couple months ago, a GUEST started a long and tortured thread called "Sacrifice to Moloch" here on Mudcat. Evidence was presented - and thoroughly bashed about - that GW Bush and other world leaders are members of an occult group called Bohemian Grove that engages in annual human sacrifice rituals in the forests of Northern California.

I have no desire to refresh that old battle-ground of a thread, but when I came across these pictures/article from Baghdad last night chills ran up and down my spine. Click here and scroll down to the final picture, a detail from an ivory of Nimrud that was displayed in the Baghdad Musuem - until the museum was destroyed yesterday by looters as coalition forces stood by.

Speaking of the millions of Iraqi deaths caused by both war with the West and UN sanctions, the writer says "Iraqis are of course aware of these sanctions - Moloch gnawing at them. I couldn't find a better picture that reflects their feeling: "The Iraqi people and the western powers."

"Moloch" triumphs again?

daylia

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 09:43 AM

Sorry, forgot the BS designation. Please move this, ye Joe Clones.

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 07:22 PM

Yes, my Moloch thread. More relevant now than ever. The Iraqi national museum was TRASHED so the CIA could hide its footprints. All those artifacts (plunder from victory over Babylon) are now on their way to the Skull and Bones compound at Yale, and the senseless destruction was done to obscure what really went on. GWBush is a member of Skull and Bones (they eat off Hitler's china at the compound at Yale), and so is John Kerry. They BELIEVE in the old demons, whether you believe it or not. They worship the old demons at Bohemian Grove. They denied it ten years ago, but now they admit it and say it's great to live in a country where we have freedom. They instill a sense of 'liberalism' in you which renders you impotent to complain against barbarism. America and Britain are now destroying whole cultures and presenting it as good. We are the bloody whores of the U.N.

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 10:01 PM

Dang, DG, you are all mixed up tonight. The UN wanted nothing to do with Bush's Iraq perfidy, remember?

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 10:23 PM

The UN got the oil.

Bush and Blair valuated Iraq's 5-7 trillion dollars worth of oil at 1.2 to 1.4 million. And now, all proceeds from oil sales will go into a 'trust fund' to be used for 'humanitarian' purposes for the people of Iraq. Those services will be provided by the U.N. and the money will be handled by the World Bank. The World Bank will loan Iraq it's own oil money at 40% interest. Cheney and the Bushes and British Petroleum will physically possess the well-heads and collect a percentage on all deals.

The war was about securing oil for the U.N. And about destroying a rogue culture which refused to do business properly with the World Bank. The U.N. gets the oil. Blair already announced it. And in the process, he stole 3/4 of the oil by undervaluing it.

This is organized crime at its most ruthless. Iraq had their culture destroyed (to be replaced by propagandizing TV), and their only asset of financial importance is now going to fuel the U.N. war machine.

The US versus the UN is a phony paradigm. Like Republicans and Democrats in the US. There is no difference in the goal of total domination. The Anglo-American power axis set up the UN to serve as a counterbalance in situations like this. There must always be tension in order to create distraction. The interests of the UN and the Anglo-American axis are the same. That's why the UN will get the oil to fuel America's military.

Just quit believing in the us vs them mentality. The elite control ALL ruling mechanisms and make them APPEAR to be at odds. Look at the outcome in Iraq...the US 'wins' and the UN gets to move in and re-build. Both 'sides' win.

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 10:26 PM

Should have made that 1.2 to 1.4 trillion, not million. Iraq's oil reserves are worth 5-7 trillion US, but Blair estimated their cost to be 1/4 that before he said Iraq would have to deposit the oil revenue in the World Bank prior to borrowing it. Sheer criminality.

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Apr 03 - 11:50 PM

Well...I'm glad you found an explanation that does the trick for you, DG!

Sorry I can't buy it, though.

A

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Forum Lurker
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 12:02 AM

DG-I see you missed the bit where the IMF and World Bank refused to take any part in Iraq without UN authorization, the bit where the U.S. won't even let Britain get rebuilding contracts, much less the UN, and-Oh, you say that's just a clever ploy to get us to believe they're not working together? Wow, they must be clever. The clues they leave are so subtle only you can pick up on them, and just to throw us off they keep making these feints. I'm impressed.

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 12:18 AM

DG - I think what is actually happening here is a huge financial power struggle between the European Community and the USA, basically because the USA is bankrupt (but it has a huge military striking power...so it plunders small nations on phony pretexts to make up for its economic shortfall...Napoleon did the very same thing over and over again). Britain is trying to play both angles. Russia is looking to ally with western Europe (which is exactly what they should do). I've seen Alex Jones' analysis of the U.N. connection to all this, and I don't buy it. The USA used to control the U.N. (or just veto it)...that has changed. The USA is now an international criminal and rogue nation, from the point of view of most U.N. members (they're not saying it out loud, but that is the case nonetheless), and the U.N. is slipping out of American control, probably for good. Europe will not knuckle under any more.

However, I may be wrong. Unlike some (or most) zealots on this forum, that is a possibility I always keep in mind regarding my own opinions...and I watch, observe, and watch some more. We'll see.

But...I do agree that the old "divide and conquer" ploy is the standard method by which the controlling elite manipulates the public and distracts them.

Like I said, we'll see.

- LH

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Amos
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 09:08 AM

Here ya go, Dreaded One: the Inside Skinny on the deal behind the war in Iraq.


A

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 09:39 AM

Ooo boy - I had no intention of starting a "bash the UN" - or bash anyone! - session, folks. I just wanted to draw attention to the rather amazing "coincidence" between the alleged "Moloch-worship" of the Western world leaders, the current destruction ("liberation"??) of Iraq by those same powers, and that picture/article at the link indicating that the Iraqis understand themselves as the "sacrifice", and the Western powers as the modern "Moloch" who has them by the throat.

It is odd that the "looters" did seem to know exactly what to look for and where - taking the most precious and heavily guarded artifacts first. It's also odd that the Museum had been closed for 10 years, to protect it from the ravages of the first Gulf War. It was reopened in April 2000 - article here. Why was it not closed again in recent months - certainly there was ample warning that another attack was on the way!

Certainly anyone interested in ancient Mesopotamian god/desses and rituals knew that the Iraqi National Museum housed artifacts "to die for" - no pun intended :( . I found this information about what American and British scholars have called "the world's first batteries" most intriguing - The Riddle of Baghdad's Batteries.

Scientists were still trying to determine what these 3,000 year old - and functioning! - batteries were used for. One suggestion was for electroplating - applying a thin coat of metal over another surface - which would make the ancient Iraqis the first to produce that "mother of all inventions - MONEY". Well, if that's true, then what an example of "reaping what you sow!"

But even more interesting is the suggestion that they were used to "enliven" statues and other ritual objects during ancient magical rites - the same magical rites used in the worship of Ba'al, Moloch, Astarte etc. To get your hands on an anthentic ritual object used in the worship of your ancient idol - hmmm, presumably to add power and authenticity to your own rites - wouldn't that be just a dream-come-true for any serious "Moloch-worshipper"?!?

daylia

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 10:56 AM

The US isn't broke. The US is the repository for the world's wealth. That may shift to Europe, but by then the world will be sliding into a 'Second world' status universally. Notice there are 'first' and 'third' world countries? Well the UN policy of wealth redistribution will eventually create a globe crowded with 'second' world countries...the great levelling. And once all are equal (Communist China), the REAL tyranny will begin. No rights at all.

And the US and Canada are the same entity now. That's another 'us vs them' paradigm that is phony. The US and Canada were joined under a joint military command a year ago. NORTHCOM. United the US, Mexico and Canada. The troop exchange agreements have already been signed and filed. The leaders of the countries agreed to it at least, but I plan to shoot foreign troops. Period. I'm a civilian and no military person has authority over me, much less a foreigner. So Canada is involved completely in the foul deeds being perpetrated by the 'US', even if Canadians don't want to admit the obvious. There IS no border between the US and Canada. The largest concentration camps in North America are north of the US/Canadian border. The great smashing of cultures we're about to see in the mid east is coming to North America just like it's gone to Europe. Nations, cultures and individualism must be destroyed for global tyranny to succeed. Destroy the artifacts and truck in the TVs.

Blair announced (as the mouthpiece of the Windsor/Rothschild British Petroleum conglomerate) how BP would steal the Iraqi oil. The money will go to a UN trust fund to be loaned back to Iraq for 'humanitarian purposes'. So, if Iraq wants to eat, it must adopt UN policy AND pay 40% interest on their own money being loaned to them by the World Bank. It's a done deal. Now the bureaucracies and governments and corporations will begin covering their tracks in the news media, but Blair shot his mouth off and revealed the plan. And whatever trinkets the demonists in the were after were looted first thing from Baghdad and are now being worshipped in Washington, London and Berlin. The Reich lives.

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 11:14 AM

DG-I do not think that "Second World country" means what you think it means. In fact, it means Communist or former Communist countries. Given that what you are decrying is the victory of capitalism, your arguments are a trifle inconsistent. Nothing new there.

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 12:54 PM

Yeah, the Second World was the Communist nations. The 3rd World was the underdeveloped non-Communist nations.

DG - You are quite right that Canada and the USA are fairly much a single entity, but they are psychologically QUITE different...and that means that they are socially quite different. You can feel it as soon as you cross the border. I like Canada a lot better. It's the end product of a far more peaceful and orderly social history than the USA, and it's a society far less prone to using violence in working out issues.

Be that as it may, Canadian industry and big money is complicit in advancing the same strategies as American industry and big money. Those guys belong to a club that is loyal to no nation or moral credo, and they control the political parties because they fund them.

Bad situation. The voters here can do NOTHING about it. I kid you not.

Destroy the artifacts and truck in the TV's? Yes. That is the standard tactic of the great heartless marketing machine everywhere. TV IS the opiate of the masses, the Great Lobotomizer of the people.

But occasionally something real slips through the cracks. I just watched a superb documentary on the CIA coup that nearly ousted Chavez in Venezuela. ALL the privately owned TV stations in Venezuela (owned by rich people) censored and presented the News during that coup in such a way as to make it look like Chavez's people were killing peaceful protestors. They did it by carefully editing a few clips of Chavez supporters who were firing back at the paramilitary snipers who STARTED the shooting and who were shooting unarmed civilians who supported Chavez!!! Virtually every person shot was a Chavez supporter. ("Oppressors" do not plot to shoot their own supporters.) All the privately owned TV stations were in on the scheme, as were a bunch of Venezuela's top generals.

You know how that is achieved? Money. The rich work with the rich. One hand washes the other. This resulted in a supposed revolt, launched by the rich and powerful against the ordinary public (who massively supported Chavez...but how could they find out what was happening when all the TV stations were feeding them a steady stream of lies?

That's what big money does. It works of the rich, by the rich, for the rich...and controls the broadcasting media. It ensures that the public only sees and hears what will advance the corporate agenda. This is fairly simple to do when you're rich, and when the people running the media are also rich...unless in some rare cases they actually have strong moral principles and will put themselves at GRAVE RISK for what they believe is right.

Enough people put themselves at such grave risk in Venezuela that the soldiers (the ordinary soldiers and minor officers) switched sides and defeated that coup, with the support of hundreds of thousands of civilians in Caracas.

That was an amazing victory for a constitutional democracy of the people, by the people, for the people...and it was a defeat for America and the CIA.

I doubt that they consider it the last round, though.

- LH

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 02:28 PM

I'm not particularly enamoured by conspiracy theories or the arcane, nor horribly worried that such stuff can be carried out very successfully. IMO, we humans are thankfully, very inept at most things, despite wishful thinking to the contrary and it really is a wonder that we have survived as a species to date, let alone marching to our doom under the umbrella of some über alles world power.

The amount of variable control that would be required to carry out much of these supposed grand schemes, always seems to be predicated upon the logic that, so and so (insert your favourite flavour of the month conspiracy) is doing "A", therefore "B" will happen.

One thing, among others, which always seems to be omitted from these kind of equations, are those delightful, unpredictable bits of chaos that have a way of throwing spanners in the works. You just never can tell when someone else might choke on a pretzel, with an entirely different result.

So……Here's to all the butterflies in the world flapping their wings!

That being said, (aren't humans wonderful conglomerations of contradictions) my daughter recently sent me a link to a TakeBacktheMedia site, which was purporting the Bush family connections with Nazi Germany. I did some searching for some sort of confirmation and details and came up with the following, George Bush The Unauthorized Biography by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, which could add to further convoluted conspiracy theories.

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 03:14 PM

Little Hawk, I agree, it was superb. The CBC has aired a lot of stunning documentaries in the last few weeks. One that was particularly heavy was about the fate of 2000+ Taliban POWs, rounded up by the US and the Northern Alliance, who weren't the lucky ones transported in open trucks that finally ended up in Guantanimo Bay. These poor buggers were crammed into trailer trucks, without air and roasted in the desert sun, until someone took pity on them and fired a few rounds into the loaded trailers for ventilation. Those that survived were executed and dumped in mass graves in the desert along with the rest.   

Convoy of Death

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 03:29 PM

Unfortunately there are fewer and fewer 'variables'. I mean, before the Iraqi incursion, 50% of Americans believed Saddam Hussein was the mastermind of Sept 11. The Bush White House propagandizers had pushed bin Laden to the background so successfully that half of America thought we were going 'to war' because Hussein bombed us. That is the sheer power of TV. It can't be stopped, and it's just beginning. Hussein was just a test case, and the govt got away with brainwashing us en masse into accepting the ridiculous. Half of America forgot it was bin Laden, not Hussein, who was supposed to be behind 9-11. Incredible.

And now the Carlyle group (defense contractor company jointly owned by the Bushes, bin Ladens and others) have bought Universal Studios to further expand into propagandizing. We are being taught absolutely un-American ideals now...invading sovereign nations for no cause is good, torture is good, rights must be restricted. Again, incredible.

And this being the beginning, the end is at the US Constitution. It is the biggest impediment to global tyranny and is the ultimate sacrifice to Moloch. The Bushes and John Kerry and all the other Moloch worshippers are going to sacrifice the US in the global war they create for the big blood sacrifice. Or so I've come to conclude in my readings. We're all being lulled into complacency by the media and 90% of Americans won't know they're part of the sacrifice even as they get on the busses for relocation to the 'camps'. They'll be told it for their own safety. I won't be making that trip, so I don't really care about what happens after that point, but the wars have begun, the camps are built, borders are dissolving under 'trade agreements' and our leaders openly belong to occultic groups.

Oh, and Venezuela is a stain on America's reputation too. We're currently trying to foment revolution there...openly...and it's disgraceful. But Americans don't seem to care. Americans aren't BAD people, so I'm at a loss to explain why we let such things be. And all I can come up with (honestly) is TV. We've been SOLD acceptance of criminal behavior on the parts of our leaders. The media reports thousands murdered in Iraq as business as usual, and we seem to take that as peer support for the murders. The news reporters smile and report torture and murder and cultural destrustion, and we buy it because there is no balancing message of dissent presented.

If you've never read a movie screenplay in your life, you might make an effort to read this one. Network by Paddy Chayefsky. Read the tirade in scene 122...scroll down to it. Several of the tirades are good, but this one sums up a log. True as true can get...in a fictional way.

NETWORK

So, listen to me!

                Television is not the truth! Tele-

                vision is a goddamned amusement

                park, that's what television is!

                Television is a circus, a carnival,

                a travelling troupe of acrobats and

                story-tellers, singers and dancers,

                jugglers, side-show freaks, lion-

                tamers and football players. We're

                in the boredom-killing business!

                If you want truth, go to God, go

                to your guru, go to yourself because

                that's the only place you'll ever

                find any real truth! But, man,

                you're never going to get any truth

                from us. We'll tell you anything

                you want to hear. We lie like hell!

                We'll tell you Kojack always gets

                the killer, and nobody ever gets

                cancer in Archie Bunker's house.

                And no matter how much trouble the

                hero is in, don't worry: just look

                at your watch -- at the end of the

                hour, he's going to win. We'll

                tell you any shit you want to hear!

                We deal in illusion, man! None of

                it's true! But you people sit there

                -- all of you -- day after day, night

                after night, all ages, colors, creeds

                -- we're all you know. You're

                beginning to believe this illusion

                we're spinning here. You're be-

                ginning to think the tube is reality

                and your own lives are unreal. You

                do whatever the tube tells you. You

                dress like the tube, you eat like

                the tube, you raise your children

                like the tube, you think like the

                tube. This is mass madness, you

                maniacs! In God's name, you people

                are the real thing! We're the illu-

                sions! So turn off this goddam

                set! Turn it off right now! Turn

                it off and leave it off. Turn it

                off right now, right in the middle

                of this very sentence I'm speaking

                now --

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: GUEST,Dreaded Guest
Date: 14 Apr 03 - 03:35 PM

Oops. I was going to delete that diatribe and somehow entered the post instead. 1976 that was written and it's only become more true. That may be the most relevant movie I've ever seen when it comes to our situation today.

Subject: RE: Baghdad - the Sacrifice to Moloch?
From: *daylia*
Date: 15 Apr 03 - 07:37 AM

DG, your "diatribe" is like a catharsis! Scary part is I agree with every word.

But "I plan to shoot foreign troops. Period. I'm a civilian and no military person has authority over me, much less a foreigner."?? Thanks for the warning - I'll be sure to leave my camoflauge pants at home if I ever visit the States again ...

Amos, that "inside skinny" left me wondering if any other information has surfaced attributing "the fall of Baghdad to a secret tripartite agreement between Saddam Hussain, Russia and the U.S." Or did you post that tongue-in-cheek?

Little Hawk, Metchosin - thanks for the links and the comments. MY thinking is, if Venezuela can beat 'em, there's maybe some hope for Canada? And it's good that Venezuela isn't "Moloch's" traditional stomping ground, I guess!

daylia