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Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'

glauber 12 Aug 03 - 07:00 PM
greg stephens 12 Aug 03 - 07:22 PM
masato sakurai 12 Aug 03 - 08:41 PM
GUEST,Q 12 Aug 03 - 08:45 PM
glauber 12 Aug 03 - 11:37 PM
glauber 12 Aug 03 - 11:40 PM
masato sakurai 13 Aug 03 - 01:30 AM
GUEST,leeneia 13 Aug 03 - 11:12 AM
masato sakurai 13 Aug 03 - 11:19 AM
masato sakurai 13 Aug 03 - 11:28 AM
GUEST,leeneia 14 Aug 03 - 11:22 AM
glauber 15 Aug 03 - 10:35 AM
masato sakurai 15 Aug 03 - 10:23 PM
glauber 07 Sep 03 - 01:15 PM
masato sakurai 07 Sep 03 - 06:42 PM
glauber 07 Sep 03 - 08:45 PM
W y s i w y G ! 12 Feb 05 - 11:03 AM
GUEST,great website for this song 11 Jan 13 - 02:21 PM
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Subject: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: glauber
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 07:00 PM

I'm looking for music (either notes or a recording) of the Shaker song "More Love". Thanks in advance for any pointers!

Glauber


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 07:22 PM

well I have it in front of me(in "The gift to be simple" by E D Andrews)but that doesnt help you.I cant translate it into abc notation. I'll keep an eye on this thread and if nobody's come up with some computer link by tomorrow (I cant do that sort of thing, no computer) I'll figure it out in some notation I can type out. Or you can PM me and get me to sing it down the phone to you or something. But I'm sure Masato will do you a blue clickie to the sheet music in 5 minutes!


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: masato sakurai
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 08:41 PM

Here you are. It took me more than five minutes. To convert ABC to score & midi, use ABC Convert-A-Matic.

X:1
T:More Love
M:3/4
L:1/8
B:Edward D. Andrews, The Gift To Be Simple (1940; Dover, 1962, facing p. 84)
S:Leaflet song, Canterbury, c. 1871
C:Shaker Village, Mer. Co., N.H.
K:G
d2|B2z2Bd|d/B3/2 z2Bd|e2e2d2|d2B2A2|
w:More love, more_ love;_ The_ heav-ens are bless-ing, The
ABB2A2|G2G2AB|A2G2AB|G2z2:||:E D|
w:an - gels are call-ing, O_ Zi-on, more_ love. If ye
D2D2G2|ABB2Bd|d2d2G2|AGG2ED|
w:love not each oth - er in_ dai-ly com-mun - ion, How_
D2D2G2|B4B2|A2G2AB|G2z2:|]
w:can ye love God, Whom ye have not_ seen?
W:
W:2. More love, more love, Alone by its power
W:The world we will conquer; For true love is God.
W:If ye love one another, Then God dwelleth in you,
W:And ye are made strong, To live by his word.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 08:45 PM

Not Simple Gifts-

More love, more love;
The heavens are blessing, the angels are calling,
O Zion, more love!
If ye love not each other in daily communion,
How can ye love God, whom ye have not seen.

There may be more, but this is all that I have.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: glauber
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 11:37 PM

Wow, you guys are phenomenal! Thank you very much!

glauber


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: glauber
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 11:40 PM

By "you guys" i mean you, Masato, thanks! :-)


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: masato sakurai
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 01:30 AM

"More Love" is on Debra Spencer, Shelley Phillips, & Lars Johannesson's
Verdant Groves - A musical journey through four New England Shaker Villages (Community Music School of Santa Cruz, CM 101, 1998) [CD]. Sound clip is HERE.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 11:12 AM

I tried using the ABC Convert-a-matic link, but it didn't work. First I copied the ABC for "More Love" into WordPad and removed the lyrics. The remaining ABC didn't convert. ("No image available - you must have messed up the ABC.") Then I removed the bracket at the end of the song. That didn't help.

I went to the ABC Tune Finder and tried with an entirely different tune, "David ap Gylym's Tune." That didn't work either.

Any suggestions? For example, am I supposed to paste the preliminary lines (X-K) in as well?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: masato sakurai
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 11:19 AM

This hymn is also in Albert Christ-Janer, Charles W. Hughes and Carlton Sprague Smith's American Hymns Old and New (Columbia UP, 1980; vol. 1, p. 581 (text, with four-part arrangement; one verse only), vol. 2, pp. 153-54 (note)). Their note says:
More Love
Anon., 1876                   Anon., 1876

The title page of the Shaker A Selection of Devotional Melodies (Canterbury, N.H., 1876) bears the statement: "Simple in Arrangement, Yet,--Inspirational" togther with an appropriate quotation: "Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me" (Ps. 5:23). The text is in prose, as if improvised for the tune. "More Love" should be sung as a unison hymn, and the accompaniment provided here may be omitted.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: masato sakurai
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 11:28 AM

leeneia, no problem with the file. The file consists of "X:1" (this index is necessary) through the last of the words ("...word").
~Masato


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 11:22 AM

Thank you, Masato. I tried it again and it worked. I like the tune. It has the old-time spareness of "Be Thou My Vision" and "Holy Manna"


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: glauber
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:35 AM

Holy Mamma! :-)

Sorry, i thought that was funny.

Another good Shaker tune is "How can i keep from singing". Enya did a nice version, though you can't understand the words. Yet another one is "Simple Gifts" (It's a gift to be simple, it's a gift to be true (?)), which shows up in Copeland's Appalachian Spring.

glauber


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: masato sakurai
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:23 PM

"How Can I Keep from Singing" (click here at the CyberHymnal) was written by Robert Lowry (words) and Ira D. Sankey (music). It's not a Shaker hymn. See this thread (and several others):

Help: How can I keep from Singing


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: glauber
Date: 07 Sep 03 - 01:15 PM

Here's another recording of More Love. Nancy Goodwin singing, Paul Burgess keyboard and yours truly flute. Based on the recording that was posted above.

Thanks for the info on "How can i keep from singing."

g


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: masato sakurai
Date: 07 Sep 03 - 06:42 PM

Thanks you, Glauber, for the link and your playing.

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: glauber
Date: 07 Sep 03 - 08:45 PM

You're welcome. We couldn't have done it without your kind help.

glauber


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Subject: Add: More Love
From: W y s i w y G !
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:03 AM

The form of this is AABB, in two verses: AABB verse one, AABB verse two.

~S~

==================================================================

MORE LOVE
From the Canterbury, NH Shaker Community, ca. 1870. Learned from the singing of Debra Spencer on Gourd Music CD VERDANT GROVES. This version adapted, edited, and arranged (C) 2005 for The Good News-Goodtime Band by Susan O. Hinton.


1. If ye love not each other in daily communion,
How can ye love God, whom ye have not seen?
If ye love not each other in daily communion,
How can ye love God, whom ye have not seen?
More love, more love; the heavens are blessing,
The angels are calling, "O Zion, more love!"
More love, more love; the heavens are blessing,
The angels are calling, "O Zion, more love!"

2. If ye love one another, Then God dwelleth in you,
And ye are made strong, To live by His Word.
If ye love one another, Then God dwelleth in you,
And ye are made strong, To live by His Word.
More love, more love; alone by its power
The world love will conquer, for true love is God.
More love, more love; alone by its power
The world love will conquer, for true love is God.


CHORDS:
(From the first chord CHANGE in each line)

A Part:
D, G, D, G, D
G, D, A, A7, D

B Part:
D, G, A7, D
G, D, A7, D, G, A7, D

With thanks to Shelley Phillips, Community Music School, for a start on the arrangement.

SH


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: American Shaker song: 'More Love'
From: GUEST,great website for this song
Date: 11 Jan 13 - 02:21 PM

http://www.gwynethwalker.com/morelove.html

recording and sheet music free


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