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Subject: BS: I'm colorblind. Anone else? From: Deckman Date: 15 Sep 03 - 09:36 AM I'm colorblind, as in I don't see colors. It's not been too much of a problem for me, but it sure drives other people nuts. Besides, I've had my whole lifetime to get used to it. Nevertheless, I still run into amusing situations. As a deck builder, I work a lot with the new composite decking materials that come in various colors. I get around that problem by simply showing the customer the choices and they pick out the color. But occasionally I'll receive material at the jobsite that has mixed colors in it, and I'll just go ahead and lay it in with the rest of the material. It all looks the same to me, but sometimes the customers don't like it. Probably my greatest frustration is the almost guarenteed question I get when I explain to people that I don't see colors: "Really! What color is this shirt I'm wearing?" (well duh!) I'm wondering if other people out there have similiar stories? CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anone else? From: sian, west wales Date: 15 Sep 03 - 09:52 AM I've got full technicolour vision (as far as I know) but my sister, who is a professional wardrobe mistress, once worked with a colour-blind costume designer in Canada. It was horrible enough, just the once. But then she was hired to do the summer season at Banff and was asigned to the Broadway Musical - which was Brigadoon that year. She found out that the aforementioned designer would be designing and she insisted that she was switched to the Opera project. She just couldn't bear the idea of working with him on a musical full of tartan! sian |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anone else? From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 15 Sep 03 - 10:06 AM I can see colors, I just can't name them correctly much of the time (red-green colorblindness it's called) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anone else? From: Bill D Date: 15 Sep 03 - 10:31 AM so, Bob...do you have a set you can do "on topic" "The Grey Funnel Line".."The Blackball Ferry Line" "Reverend Mr. Black" ? It must have been interesting as a kid, when most of the movies were in B&W, dealing with the change to "Technicolor". |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anone else? From: GUEST Date: 15 Sep 03 - 12:21 PM Perception of color, even with normal color vision can be different under two general conditions. 1: you are looking at colored light directly, e.g., from a traffic light (turned on). 2: you are seeing the colors reflected from an object.
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anone else? From: Beccy Date: 15 Sep 03 - 12:21 PM My brother-in-law, a color-blind elementary art teacher (I kid you not) says that his color-blindness is an asset?!?!?!?! He says it makes his art more interesting. I withheld comment on how difficult it must be to teach the color-wheel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: GUEST Date: 15 Sep 03 - 12:35 PM My sister, a non-color blind artist, looked at some of my dabbles in earlier days, and told me they were interseting from the unusual choice of colors I made, but I didn't want to pursue the possibilty of being a colorblind artist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: open mike Date: 15 Sep 03 - 01:05 PM I am just now reading a book by Oliver Sachs, the Island of the Color Blind. If you are not familiar with this author, he is a psych specilaist, who has written many books. Among them is Awakenings, from which a movie has been made, and The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat, a case study of several of his most bizarre mental patients. Another, "Anthropologist from Mars" which explore 7 most interesting patients, all of whom see the world in a very different way. One of these unique patients was a feller who was an artist who uses brilliant colors in all his paintings until suffering brain damage from a car crash which wiped out all sense of color in his vision. From this he bacame very depressed, haveing thrived on color images for his livelyhood. The Island book is a study that Oliver has done, along with a color blind researcher form Norway. Where they both go to several Islands in the south pacific, Guam among them (see more in Guam thread) to investigate a condition found there on isolated islands, which seems to be caused by the ingestion of the fruits of the cycad trees, which grow there. There is a condition of color blindness and sensitive eyes which seems to be genetic on those isolated islands. It seems the condition is called ACHROMATOPE. I take a color test each year for my commercial driver's license. The little book that the dr. has made up of colored dots can determine how your vision is by what you see on the pages...I wonder how these were invented?? some info on ishihara here: http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/ http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.html http://members.aol.com/nocolorvsn/color.htm http://www.vischeck.com/ http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/ http://www.vischeck.com/daltonize/ oh, my there are so many links... sorry to not blickify them all, fascinating topic... http://www.visualmill.com/ http://www.store.yahoo.com/colorblindness-testing-poster/ ok i will stop now... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Bobert Date: 15 Sep 03 - 01:19 PM Lots of folks merely suffer from color weakness, especially in the red/green area. I was tested as a teenager for this and found to have some level of weakness. But that didn't stop me from getting a degree in Painting and Printmaking... Mighta' helped fir all I know? I'm sure the lexdexia has... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Don Firth Date: 15 Sep 03 - 01:21 PM I think I have fairly normal color vision, but while digging through the sock drawer, I sometimes have trouble distinguishing black from very dark blue. I also have trouble distinguishing very dark blue from very dark green. But generally no trouble distinguishing very dark green from black. It may have something to do with artificial light. Once I get outside, the differences are clear. Barbara, on the other hand, doesn't have any trouble in artificial light, so I get her to color coordinate my wardrobe. That way, when I go outside, little kids don't point at me and giggle. At least, not about that. "Red light, officer? What red light?" Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 15 Sep 03 - 04:55 PM One of my more bizzare happenings due to my color blindness had to do with me and the Army. I volunteered right out of high school so I could get my career of choice, Signal corp. Toward the end of my basic training, the Army decided to give me the standard color blindness test. I not only flunked it, I flunked it like it had never been flunked before. I had to take the test five times, the last time in front of 4 doctors. That slammed the door to Signal corp school for me. They said that wires came in colors (I didn't know that). The next thing I knew, some Captain asked me what color was blood. I said red. He said, "Great! You're a medic!" (true story). CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Mr Red Date: 15 Sep 03 - 05:20 PM Well not quite colour blind so much as colour preferrenced. However I often get asked if my favourite colour is red, followed by ladies (usually) who are asking for their "friend" who wants to know if the underwear is a consistent scarlet - to which I refer to the old saying and the colour of my hat - the saying is not as common as thought Oh Ok. For those who have not heard it "red hat no knickers" (or red shoes etc) which is a reference to flashy peoples spending the sartorial budget on that which can be seen. In my case if I couldn't hack the questions I have no place posing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 15 Sep 03 - 05:57 PM Interesting comments! Bill D.: Are you trying to tell me that movies come in colors now? Really? Bobert: I do love to draw and create on paper, but only charcoal sketches and woodblock prints, in black ink. Don: You sock story reminded me of the time that I invited Walt over for the weekend. I hosted him, we had a heck of a hoot, then Sunday morning was "payback time." I dumped all my socks in a pile and made him match them up. Also, in 1956 in Frankfort, Kentucky, I got a ticket for going through a red light. There were no others vehicles on the road so I could follow their example. The officer wouldn't believe that I couldn't tell the difference between red and green. He gave a ticket. I never paid it and I ain't never been back! Also, several months ago on TV, I saw a story where two colorblind twin brothers were fitted with experimental glasses that caused them to see colors for the first time. The camera caught their reactions. I still remember what one brother said as they stood on the sidewalk: "Hey look! Cars come in colors!". CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Sorcha Date: 15 Sep 03 - 06:05 PM A friend of mine's husband is totally color blind. He wanted to be a pilot, so he worked and worked with a Dr. to 'memorize' what colors looked like what to him. He managed it and can still usually telly you sort of what color it is, but flunked the Air Force tests. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: GUEST Date: 15 Sep 03 - 06:07 PM Re: "red hat no knickers" I've always known (in tne UK) that phrase as: "fur coat, no knickers" Interesting to hear the varient. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: GUEST,pdq Date: 15 Sep 03 - 06:37 PM Since you build decks, how do you tell when Redwood is green? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 15 Sep 03 - 06:48 PM pdq: Simple. Redwood is "green" when it leaves sticky sap on my customers pants, as I found out the hard way! Cute question! Sorcha: your story reminded me of an opportunity I missed years ago. I was giving guitar lessons to the daughter of an wonderful painter. She offered to trade me guitar lessons for her daughter for "color lessons" from her. At the time, we needed the guitar lesson money more than I needed color awareness, but I've always wondered what changes that would have brought to my life. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Don Firth Date: 15 Sep 03 - 07:02 PM I once heard about a kid who was really into movies. A much older friend recommended some of the classics to him, such as Casablanca, The Maltese Falcon, To Kill a Mockingbird, and several others. The kid got them from his local blockbuster, watched them, and loved them. But—he had one huge complaint. "These are, like, really great movies, but fer Pete sake, y'know, why did they, like, make them in black-and-white? Why didn't they do them in, like, color?" "But," the older friend explained, "when a lot of those old classic movies were made, they didn't have color" Later conversation turned up that the kid had put a somewhat different meaning on what his older friend had told him, not quite what the friend intended to say. The kid got the idea that color had been invented sometime in the late Thirties or early Forties. That the film and the processing was essentially the same, but until then, the whole world had been in black-and-white! Ah, youth. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 15 Sep 03 - 07:53 PM Don: ... what do you mean? "The whole world HAD been black and white?" This is what I've been trying to tell you for some 45 years ... the world IS BLACK AND WHITE!" As Walt used to say .... SHEEUH! (love you) Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Rapparee Date: 15 Sep 03 - 10:23 PM I'm reminded of an old Calvin and Hobbes cartoon where Calvin's dad explains that color really WAS invented in the 1930s. Before that, the whole world WAS black and white, with shades of gray, but when color was invented it changed to color. Calvin asked why the old black-and-white photos were now B&W and not in color; his dad explained that prior to the change to color they had been, but when everything B&W turned to color the color pictures all turned to black-and-white. Until, of course, Calvin's mom interrupted.... Heck, it makes sense to me! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 15 Sep 03 - 11:16 PM I understand that perfectly! Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: GUEST,BOAB Date: 16 Sep 03 - 12:47 AM Like a helluva lot of the male sex, I am partially colour blind. I have little or no trouble with primary colours in natural light, but when I was a kid at school I had a lauguage teacher who was a fanatic about making the kids do "corrections" to their daily written "boo-boos" at home, and having them checked next day. One repeated mistake merited 100 lines--"corrections must be correct!" Bi-i-i-i-g problem for Boab.At home, we were still in the age of paraffin [kerosene] lamps. And my part colour blindness was accentuated in lamplight. As often as not I would open my "corrections" jotter next day in french/latin class and stare in horror at 100 lines done in GREEN INK! Looked perfectly black to me, at home! So I was tersely ordered to do TWO hundred lines for the next session. In lamplight green or blue both showed up as black for me. I still confuse certain shades of blue and green. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Gurney Date: 16 Sep 03 - 03:41 AM I'm red/green deficient, too, like about one man in eight, one woman in a thousand. I was offered a place in art school way back when, but was flatly refused drivers licences on the railway and in the British Army. I've not pursued a couple of job applications because of it, but never run a red light in 46 years driving because I couldn't see it. British and NZ traffic lights seem to me to be composed of two orange lights and one luminous grey one. I stop for the orange ones. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 16 Sep 03 - 08:56 AM It was just about a month ago I was driving in a small town that I was not overly familiar with. I came to an intersection with a blinking light. In America, those blinking lights can be either red (stop) or yellow (caution). I was the only car around, so I stopped. Then started again and went on through. One block later a cop pulled me over to see if I was drunk for stopping at a caution sign. (I wasn't) He started to give me a ration of crap when his partner got out of the cop car and cooled him off by telling her that it happens all the time at that interesction. CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Mr Red Date: 16 Sep 03 - 05:37 PM Gurney - When I use my rouge-o-phile glasses (both are prescription too) I have a simple scheme - one red light stop, two red lights - dither - no red lights - go. But seriously all colours to a normally sighted person are interpreted by the brain and after a while the mind compensates for the lens colour except for certain blues - which can look purple or a sort of cyan or just different. But they do cut down the light as sunglasses and increase the contrast in the light/dark of a scene. As any black and white photographer will tell you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 16 Sep 03 - 05:58 PM Gurney ... What is cyan? And what's with these glasses? Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 16 Sep 03 - 06:08 PM Mr. Red's comments reminded me of another whole topic regarding the viewing of colors, or the absence of color viewing: who in the heck makes up these stupid names for colors? Some years ago I was astounded to find out that someone, somewhere, named a color for a duck ... TEAL. Anyone who fishes the rivers as I do, knows that a "Teal" is a very beautiful duck. They are very small. They fly up the rivers, just skimming the surface of the water, and they fly so fast that they are usually past you before you even know they are coming. I'm not a hunter, so I can't, or wouldn't want to comment, on the eating qualities. Maybe, as a colorblind person, I would be the PERFECT person to invent new color names. Just think of it: I wouldn't be handicapped by visual accuracy; I could let my imagination run wild (there's a scary thought; and I couldn't be recalled ... as I'd have the perfect excuse. Colors, what colors? CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: LilyFestre Date: 16 Sep 03 - 06:49 PM My husband is color blind....so is his mother. She loves to go to fabric stores and chase folks around asking if this matches that.....me? I head to the magazine shop...LOL. For DH, he ties lots of flies for flyfishing....so I am forever picking out the colors. "Hey Chickster....is this olive green or maroon?" We also write out the colors of the cards for UNO so he can lay things down to match.........other than that...not a big deal. He is GREAT at critiquing (spelling...I know...I know) my B&W photography...he can see mulitiple shades of grey. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 16 Sep 03 - 07:10 PM As I commented earlier, I am NOT a hunter. But some of my better friends over the years are hunters. They always try to bribe me to go into the woods with them during deer season. For whatever reason, and I do NOT understand it, I can spot a deer, or an elk, or a coyote, or cougers (2), at 300 yards while they wouldn't see one if they stepped on it. I'm quite content to see, and appreciate the wild anilmals without any guns nearby. In fact, I lost a friend one time by purposfully scaring away a cougar so that he would not see it and set his hounds on it. CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Bill D Date: 16 Sep 03 - 09:13 PM good for you, Bob!...I never had any desire to shoot anything when there was a Safeway nearby! I know that certain deer herds need to be thinned now & then...but I don't want to be involved. Minds work differently... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Donuel Date: 16 Sep 03 - 09:33 PM I wish I had perfect pitch but I do have perfect color memory. I can match a color days after seeing it. Colors can creat a faux depth such as this thing I did years ago... http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/abld7.JPG |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 16 Sep 03 - 11:32 PM Donuel ... That's simply amazing! All those lights and darks and amazing shades of grey! Let's you and I go deer hunting sometime! Seriously, I have always reverred artists that can paint in colors ... even to the point that I married one, "Bride Judy." (She picks out all my clothes for me). CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: open mike Date: 17 Sep 03 - 01:10 AM cyan is blue...and if you stop breathing you go cyanotic... might look grey to some, but it is not a good sign.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 17 Sep 03 - 05:42 AM Open mike ... TOO funny! Bob (checking my olde e-mails, looks like I owe you one) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: JennieG Date: 17 Sep 03 - 06:38 AM My husband is red/green colour blind and on the rare occasions he accompanies me to a quilt show he stops in front of the purple quilt (there is always at least one purple quilt) and says "I like that one"! I'm not sure what colour he sees but I don't like purple all that much. Cheers JennieG |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Gurney Date: 17 Sep 03 - 07:03 AM As a wee boy at school I painted a Bobby with a purple uniform and the art teacher was most complimentary about it, "Shows wonderful imagination" and all that guff. The other kids thought I was barmy, and when I realised , I thought I was stupid. Maybe everyone was right. In an emergency, and against my better judgement, when I was in motor assembly quality control, I have done paint rectification inspection. I rejected just as many as the regular inspector, and got no comebacks. Shades rule OK. Due to experience, I still spot a lot more paint faults than my normally colour perceiving wife. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: s&r Date: 17 Sep 03 - 07:50 PM the monitor you're probably looking at has three coloured phosphors: Red, Green and Blue. Colour mixes are: R+G=Yellow; B+G=Cyan; R+B=Magenta. This is called additive mixing because every colour added increases the light level; with paints the mixing of two colours decreases the light level - this is subtractive mixing. To produce mixes using similar hues with pigments the sums are: Yellow+Cyan=Green; Magenta+Cyan=Blue; Magenta+Yellow=Red. These concepts caused some problems in early days of colour TV, largely because no-one believed that R+G=Yellow, and everyone expected cyan to look greeny blue - it looks sky blue. The blue phosphor in TV is deep and rich, closer to what we might call violet. Your eyes have cells that see Red; Blue; Green and Brightness. Every othe colour you see is perceived because it stimulates (say) red cells+green cells, so your brain interprets that as yellow. Does that help or am I rambling on a bit.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 17 Sep 03 - 09:47 PM To "s&r", I suspected, when I started this thread, that someone would come in and post some real technical stuff. And that is good. If I tell you where I have learned about my absence of color vison, will you promise NOT to laugh! I am fisherman. I fish the rivers in the great NorthWest for the elusive STEELHEAD. I have caught my share ... I really have! In my pursuit of these almost mythical monsters, I have researched some. Some years ago, I learned that color vision, as it applies to fish, and apparently to me also, has to do with "RODS and CONES." These are the things that are, or perhaps they are NOT, within your eyeballs that enable you to see what is assumed to be the normal range of color vision. Obviously, I do not have the expected number of rods and cones. If there are eye/doctor/scientists out here, I would really appreciate hearing from you. CHEERS Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: GUEST,pdq Date: 17 Sep 03 - 11:38 PM Rods work better for catching steelhead than cones. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: open mike Date: 18 Sep 03 - 04:51 AM on the links i sent in one of my first replies. there are a lot of info about rods and reels-- i mean cones see this post: 15 Sep 03 - 01:05 PM Laurel |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: gnu Date: 18 Sep 03 - 06:07 AM There are some colours which blend to me but I can't recall which. I guess it's slight because I was chosen for Air Ops at Canada's Royal Military College (didn't go). However, I can pick shapes out of what would be completely camoflaged to others. I can pick out a ruffed grouse as plain as day while others can't see it unless it moves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 18 Sep 03 - 09:34 AM gnu ... Exactly right. Colorblind folks can see animals in the woods very easily. In my hiking days, I was always stepping on deer, marments, picas, black bear, and porcupine. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: GUEST,pdq Date: 18 Sep 03 - 11:30 AM I can imagine the Life List of a colorblind birder: "White-tailed Kite", "Blackbird", "Gray Jay"............. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 18 Sep 03 - 11:51 AM pdq ... You just reminded of something funny that happened once. A friend and I were fishing on lake on a hot day. He was a birder and had spent some time identifying many birds by name. Just then, a very handsome young lady went jogging past us on the path by the shore. As I said it was a hot day, and she was dressed appropriatly. My friend stopped looking at the birds and started watching her. I piped up and said,"And there goes a double breasted road runner!" CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: GUEST,MMario Date: 18 Sep 03 - 11:57 AM deckman - for the non-colourblind the colour name "teal" makes a lot of sense if you know the duck. because the range of colour that is 'teal' is the colour found ON the duck! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: GUEST,pdq Date: 18 Sep 03 - 12:03 PM Senator Alan Simpson, in a very public senate debate (Bork confirmation?) was filling time with his western-style story telling. He used the term "Red Headed Double Breasted Bed Thrasher". Really, he did!. Maybe the last time I heard a politician with a sense of humor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Gareth Date: 20 Sep 03 - 07:31 PM Ahh Back on line after 5 down daya - A BT (British Telecom problem - caused by a fire in our street.) Now me I have a colour vision problem. This was first btought to my attention when I went for a Services Medical in 1970. Result - No "bell bottem trousers and coat of Navy blue" Confirmation came when I went for my second choice of career, with British Railways. " Sorry Chum - we can't allow you near a railway line" Which might explain my hobbies and and frustrations. Fast forward to last month - I am trying to retrain in Electronics and P C repair. The attitude of Pontypridd College was refreshing, "We'll deal with that problem if it arises" Last week - Plying with colour coded "resistors" and "capacitors" 1/ Quote by the tutor - " Gareth is colour blind - now we'll find out who else is" 2/. "If you can't read the colour code what is the Multi Meter for !!!" Interesting - Out of a class of 20, 3 of us where colour deficient. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: GUEST,Mark Date: 21 Sep 03 - 04:24 PM Em, daft question here. what does a colour blind person see, then ? everything in shades of grey ? So can his partner where any colours she wants and he will never know none of it matches ? Does anybody know, by chance if the Island of the Color Blind is available in Spanish, and if so, what is it called ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Gareth Date: 21 Sep 03 - 07:23 PM Complete colour blindness is rare. Colour deficiencies such as the inability to distinguish shades or sectors is rather more common, in South Wales between 10% and 20% of the adult male population. The defective gene is carried by the female of the species, but only effects the male. Thats why in my family we were able to trace the source back to the Pugh family of Bedlinog and Aberfan (my maternal grandmother) Both my grandfathers passed colour vision tests, on one side as an apprentice in the merchant navy, and on the other, a railway signalman. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: GUEST,pdq Date: 22 Sep 03 - 03:41 PM Gareth- buy 1% resistors at the surplus stores. They have the value written on them, and are quieter in audio circuits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: Deckman Date: 22 Sep 03 - 04:24 PM To Guest Mark: the answer to your first two questions is yes and yes. Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'm colorblind. Anyone else? From: GUEST,Wes Nile Date: 23 Sep 03 - 11:44 PM Blackberries are red when they are green. Elderberries are not as sought after as youngerberries, at least outside San Francisco...Nader is Red and Green...R/G colorblindness is sex-linked, er, but not dependant there-on...sorry, just bored... |
