El Greko's website - shoot at will

Subject: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 01:08 PM

OK folks, I have bowed to the pressure and got my finger out; and my website now stands there for all to snigger at. I put it together using only Word to create the pages (a proper webdesign package is winging its way to me as I write this, so in the near future quality should be upgraded). And I want to populate a gallery and an MP3 page, but hey, 3 days ago I had s-d all...At least the published lyrics are up for grabs now.

Please have a look and let me have your criticism. I'm a big boy, I can take it! I think...

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Fortunato
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 01:10 PM

El Greko,

If you give us the web address, we' visit...

cheers, Fortunato

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 01:10 PM

okay... how about a link to this mythical website?? :)

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 01:11 PM

Good grief, do I have to do EVERYTHING? sorry...here it is

www.folk4all.net
or www. georgep.co.uk
either will do

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Bassic
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 01:21 PM

No, not everything.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 01:27 PM

£^"£^$(!^(! That's twice I've been caught in as many minutes...

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: John Routledge
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 01:38 PM

Great start George. You should keep away from Geordies though as "Gizzachance" is pure Geordie.:0)

See you tomorrow at Extravaganza.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: GUEST,jennifer
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 02:14 PM

Aah, I remember making a webpage with Word - it's such good fun sieving out all the peculiar code afterwards! And shortly afterwards Word 2000 went completely belly up and we had to resort to Word 97... but apart from that, and the two right hand paragraphs on the home page which are appearing on top of each other, good on yer!
Oh and where you put your email address I'm told it's a good idea to disguise it in the code - if you replace the @ symbol, for example, with @ but preferably the whole thing, it's supposed to lessen the truck loads of spam from spiders trawling the net for email addresses.
I like the navigation at the top and bottom of the page.
My problem is that I'm on the Website Editorial Board at work, I'm obsessive about trying to break things!
Jennifer

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: GUEST,jennifer
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 02:18 PM

And the link back to Mudcat doesn't work!
I'm sorry George, we've never even been introduced, do you mind me ferreting around in it?
Jennifer

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 02:22 PM

The images on the home page and the bio page are busted... They read as 404 not found...

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Leadfingers
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 02:40 PM

Nice one any way George and the best of luck. By the way did I tell you I really HATE talented people like you ???

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 02:45 PM

"Gizzajob" is Scouse - from "Boys from the Black Stuff", Yosser's cry (however you spell it.) Well, maybe you could call them West Coast Geordies...

Thanks Greko - looking forward to visiting it and seeing it in full bloom. And I'll stick a link on my site, of course.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 03:33 PM

Well my back button worked and it crashes IE 5.0 on some very commercial websites. But thos pix take a long time and they don't seem to be accessable from properties - if you are using word DON'T is is a waste of space. literally.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 04:47 PM

Pictures don't work on Netscape.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Peter Woodruff
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 06:39 PM

George,

89 Songs and three albums? WOW! "Did I tell you that I hate talented people like you?" Not really, I envy you and wish I could do half as well.

Best Wishes,

Peter

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 07:29 PM

Mmm, I tested it from my daughter's machine and she can see the pictures OK. And the mudcat link is what I have just used to get back here. There must be something to do with different Op Systems and Netscape versus IE too. Clearly, Word is not the tool to use, and I will discard it as soon as the software I ordered arrives.

But thanks for the comments and constructive criticism, and for the hints too (Jennifer, you can ferret around my website all you like - Vanessa says it's OK to say that).

And most of all thanks for the good wishes.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 09:51 PM

heloo, i click youre website and nothing happened, i waited for half an hour, still it dident happen, so i think yoiur website is rubbish.john

ps i using internt telly, 9its called itermt tv.john

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: mack/misophist
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 10:12 PM

Considering it was Word (curséd be the name), you did good, George. Dominico Theotocoupolis (SP?) would be proud.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 03:20 AM

Very visually good looking Site! My connection at the moment is far too slow to allow me to trawl thru the site - the current overloading of the net due to viral Spam attacks is no doubt responsible for clogging the channel to my particular Internet Super Goat Track!

I won't comment on the choice of colours, fonts, etc, because that is a personal thing, and having studied some formal design concepts, it is most likely that my erudite comments will be taken as personal attacks, rather than experienced advice ... if anyone really is interested in studying such concepts, is is beyond the scope of this thread.

I peeked at the code - Agggh! (to quote Charlie Brown!)

Word can be so clever: I once had a friend email me a 4Kb chunk of HTML code which he found on line - which was for a single line -- of "-" characters. It was from a scanned document, and Word and the Scanner S/W had conspired to -
AFTER setting default FONT NAME, SIZE, COLOR, etc for the whole document (setting specific defaults for that document)
then go on to set every attribute for EVERY "-" character on the line, FONT NAME, SIZE, etc, etc, then reset it individually for each attribute after each character..... :-) And the COLOR was different for each character, by only a number or two... :-)

A Single "HR" command could have done it easier, even if one didn't add attribute things like width, etc...

I noted that 3/4 of the page code size was Word specific inclusions which overrode the perfectly acceptable HTML defaults to produce almost exactly the same effect.

The picture is in the special "Word Picture Mungling Format" :-) where it is embedded in the thing, not necessarliy in the most compressed and efficient format for transmission, instead of the normal internet standards (.jpg, .gif, or the newer .png which most older browsers can not handle) - so if you like to browse with graphics turned off to speed up a slow connection, Word *****s you up.... :-)

I don't object the use of CSS formatting stuff, but I have to often ask WHY?

If the document is intended to look pretty, and display the sort of poetry that depends for its effect on the exact layout, then go for it!

If you just want to display information, then consider that is what HTML in its original concept was designed for, and there were lots of defaults built in to allow the automatic flowing of text across the available area, readable fonts, relative sizes. etc. It just takes a while for some of the concepts to click.

Non-standard extensions were added by MS & Netscape to pretend that HTML was word processing and visual publishing software, rather than simple text (information) displaying s/w.

So what I'm on about, is if you use the HTML DEFAULTS, instead of specifying everything you will end up with smaller, faster loading code. Of course, you will then have to learn and understand some at least of the technical side of generating HTML documents, and you may not want to do that. Some web authoring s/w is good in this respect as it really tries to do things in an HTML efficient way - most MS products, unfortunately have the "Bloat disease"...

Enough ranting...

Robin
P.S. I suppose, I should not hide my personal efforts, having opened my mouth...
(now where did my foot go.. mmmph mmph)
The Fooles Troupe have a web site
The Virtual Fooles Troupe
The Virtual Fooles Troupe
The Most Popular History On Show! (about 200 pages worth of assorted Tom Foolery - although Tom is no longer with them, having now gone on to bigger and better things...)
A witty, humorous romp through the Comedy of the Elizabethan and Medieval Theater
You can help The Fooles rehearse their next show!
Their Dwelling is now online too...
They now have a discussion list with special links...
The Virtual Fooles Troupe

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 03:25 AM

Poor Bloody Will,

Always The Target!

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 05:54 AM

Kalimera, Greko - If you have netscape, use the composer. It works well.
Fine website it could be with it.

Wilfried

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: treewind
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 11:40 AM

What everybody said about using word for HTML...
Also the graphics are HUGE but that may be word's fault too. And some of them don't download for me either, also using something Netscape-related.

Nice looking site though, and the navigation is straightforward.

I think there maybe links to .doc files that don't exist. I suspect they should have been renamed to .htm or .html

Looking forward to MkII when you get some proper software!

Anahata

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: GUEST,Mystery Lurker
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 12:58 PM

Ouch.

WORD to create HTML? - no, no, no, NO!!!

As an example of how to do it, Mike ("Thirteen Florins") Sparks has just launched a website. It has been written in standards compliant xHTML with CSS formatting, meaning it works (and looks the same) in all current browsers.

http://www.mjsparks.freeserve.co.uk

The author can be contacted via a the site page.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 01:05 PM

Yes, well, since Mike Sparks is the Treasurer of the Herga Folk Club and El Greko is a Herga regular (and both are going to Poperinghe in a fortnight for the Flanders Experience) perhaps they could just talk to each other?

Thanks Bassic for the link to El Greko's site - George, why is there no track listing for Silent Majority (or is that just my ageing computer)?

Kitty

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 20 Oct 03 - 12:16 PM

Errr...thanks folks! Now all I have to do is assimilate the advice.
No, I haven't learned HTML programming, though I dare say I could pick it up easily enough, systems and apps programming was my bread and butter 15 years ago, and have managed several projects after that (but with others doing the programming then). But I can't be a**ed, I belong to the democratic school of IT - there should be toold for that to allow anyone to do it. And so I will try this package before I open a book on HTML.

Kitty, the SM tracklisting is there, though Lord knows where it's hiding when you call up the page. Anahata, there are indeed .doc documents behind the track links (with the lyrics). I can convert them to HTM easily enough. Foolestroupe, I won't be offended by any criticism of my website - the colourscheme (teal and yellow/gold) has always been a favourite of mine, since I found out that they was Alexander the Great's favourite colours (one of my heros). OK, I know that doesn't say much for my aesthetic taste; on the other hand, if it jars, people will remember it. Like a toothache.

thanks, and keep it coming

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: treewind
Date: 20 Oct 03 - 12:58 PM

Yes, I found the docs and read them. Converting them to an HTML equivalent should be placed on the list of sensible things to do!

Anahata

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Oct 03 - 01:38 PM

Look here El, your websites hell, some stuff just don't line up.
But I tell you true, because it's you, this little poem will rhyme up.

Needs work doesn't it? Check back and I'll try to do better. In the meantime, keep working on the site and I'll check back with you.

What rhymes with "cluster fuck?"

Spaw

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 20 Oct 03 - 06:51 PM

Hiya George!
I love the typeface - my favourite, Comic Sans. And the information is just what I would have expected from you - see the page, know the man!
And I also love the colours - you have a real eye for a striking colour combination. Good old Alex the Great - he knew a thing or two.
It did take an age to download - I use Mozilla and the pics didn't appear on the home page. The CD pics were VERY slow. I looked at Mike Sparks' page and it came up instantly, with very clear and well-designed layout That is definitely the standard to aim at.
Keep at it - or get Anahata to give you a tip or two. He does all our web page design and I am happy to leave him to it.
Love to both you & Vanessa.
Mary

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 20 Oct 03 - 07:12 PM

Spaw

Just a duck
Who cussed her luck?

Be kind to your web paging friends.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Hamish
Date: 21 Oct 03 - 02:59 AM

Yes, Jennifer: I'm up to about 250 spam messages a day to my discontinued but all-over-the-web (including Mudcat and newsgroups) e-mail addresses. I now have a single e-mail contact form which uses a coded format for the address - converted to hex equivalents. Have a look at the form here and view source. The hex codes are a bit of a pain, but webmonkey has them listed.

Oh, yes, and the site's great in that the info's useful, relevant, interesting. The architecture's rubbish as has been pointed out above. Still that's the right way round. Elegant architecture won't make up for dull content.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Hamish
Date: 21 Oct 03 - 05:54 AM

Actually, it's Will that I feel sorry for. It's not as if it's his fault.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 21 Oct 03 - 07:51 AM

Hey George,

Nicely done even if you did use the dreaded Word HTML converter ;)

in fact
Gizza is a perfectly good Geordie imperative along with Gorra and Gezza as in

Gorra tab? (do you have a cigarette?)
Gizza tab (please may I have a cigarette)
Gezza tab (kindly pass me the cigarettes)

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: HuwG
Date: 21 Oct 03 - 01:16 PM

@lt;nitpick@gt; For "Eysteddfodd" in the "Biog" page, read "Eisteddfod" @lt;/nitpick@gt; The page gets its information across very well, and has thrown up no errors on my PC (using IE 5).

I have just one comment on MS Word, as used to create and edit HTML documents. Unfortunately, I cannot use it here. There are ladies present.

There are various freeware HTML editors and tutors available. I sometimes use these, but for quick and dirty work, I can use humble Wordpad, (though I have a number of templates which I can copy and paste into). I know sufficient HTML to do a rough page in raw code.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: HuwG
Date: 21 Oct 03 - 01:24 PM

<nitpick> For "Eysteddfodd" in the "Biog" page, read "Eisteddfod" @lt;/nitpick@gt;

"I know sufficient HTML to do a rough page in raw code.", he says, completely forgetting he'd set the keyboard to something odd. Post in haste, repent instantly and forever.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 21 Oct 03 - 02:57 PM

Nice one, George...

         Love.......Harry and Sara.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Oct 03 - 04:50 PM

Aah, so heartwarming to see friends rallying to one's defense - thanks Mary, Anahata, Kitty, Hamish, Harry; thanks too, Mack, Wandering Minster and HywG and all who have been dipping into this.
Spaw, no offence taken, but do start rewriting the rhyme - my package arrived today and I'll be reading the manual tonight. By Monday, Mark II should be up (would have done it tomorrow, but the dayjob gets in the way of life). It's only Homepage Builder, nothing fancy, but on the basis that anything is better than Word...

Here goes - "Chapter One: What is a computer"...

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Oct 03 - 05:00 PM

Oh, I forgot: HuwG, "y" replaced by "i" now. Though to make sure, when I wrote that text, I looked at the commemorative plaque I still have from the festival, and it spells it with "y". Anyway, it's "i" now.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: HuwG
Date: 21 Oct 03 - 08:10 PM

<Pedant> It's as much the double-d at the end, as the "i". "Dd" is a completely different letter to "d"; it's pronounced as a heavy "th" as in "this", "that", but not as in "throw". </pedant>

But I don't blame you for copying Welsh words or phrases from whatever source is available (even a plaque possibly manufactured in Taiwan, or wherever). I'd probably do the same with Greek, with equally glaring errors.

The Mudcat has plenty of Welsh speakers ready to give kindly advice, or pounce on solecisms.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Oct 03 - 09:02 PM

The actual layout I had no real problems with.

It seems as if my comment on colour schemes was slightly misunderstood. The actual colours are OK for the title page as is. I personally prefer good contrast if trying to read lots of text info, and that is more or less what time tested and tried standards try to establish.

Remember that for hundreds of years they printed books in the darkest ink they could bet on the lighest color paper they could get (and before that did it by hand), and spent lots of time designing typefaces to be a clear and unambiguous as possible, so as to present the information in a rapidly comprehended manner with as little eyestrain as possible.

I don't believe it is necessary to convert text documents into HTML, but then I don't necessarily like Word format either - it takes a minimum 30Kb extra. Of course the content may not look all that good in just plain ASCII text, but consider the RTF format - not a lot of overload, ability to do simple formatting. If done in HTML/XML, then the more "flexible" the format is, the easier it will flow to large and small screens. I do dislike the layout setups that insist on a screen so many pixels in dimension, because I use the largest screen I can afford, with a small window displaying font so as to see as much as possible in a single image of text - I'm a "page at a time" comprehender. I also prefer black text on a white background - it's the best format that I'm used to visually, at times I can cope with imitation parchment, wood, sky thingies for many of the pages if a theme is being used - I have done it myself for my Fooles Troupe Routines, but when displaying my CV, it goes in black on white.

Good luck with your efforts to find a HTML package that is easy to use and produces size efficient output. Most of them are prone to generating bulky code output, but then they do try to cope with many people trying to use them as if they are graphic layout generators.

The actual real content of the site is really what you are on about. I don't have any problem with your actual real content (the documents you link to), of course that is a personal choice.

If you want to see what happens when sites don't have any real content themselves, but just link to lists of sites that purport to, then see The Fooles Troupe Unofficial Zangelding Home Page

Robin
R.I.P. Poor Will
Will, He No Come Back Again!

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Oct 03 - 09:29 PM

Thanks, Robin.
HuwG, extra "d" now deleted.
Been reading the manual like crazy.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Oct 03 - 06:57 PM

Right - Mark II is up and running. Quite a bit of content to add, but it's a (second) starter. How does that look?

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 02:09 AM

Loaded much faster - almost blinked in! Code is much smaller - Looks the same on screen to me... :-)

I don't know if this article will display properly here, or it the HTML code need sot to be "doctored" so the text will display, but I'll give it a go.. you can always PM me and I'll send it direct..

Robin
~~~~~~~~

Web Nightmares in MS WORD

Aggh -
"Your post contains a forbidden HTML tag"

so I can't post it direct. I'd have to mungify it, and I don't know if I care enough to waste that amout of time - I'll PM it to El Greko first - if the PM system allows it - if you don't get it, it didn't work, and I can send via direct email if you want - I don't want to display my email publicy please..

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 02:24 AM

The PM system accepted it, but activates and physically displays the RESULTS of the code, not the source...

The relatively short article (4Kb) shows the sort of lengthy complicated (sometimes not even valid code!) mess that Word will make of simple HTML things... no wonder browsers have heart attacks sometime...

PM me and I'll send it to anyone within the next month or so from now... I may delete it eventually...

Tell me if you want it via PM and you will try to untangle it from the HTML message page itself, or give me a direct email addy...

Robin

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Hamish
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 03:24 AM

Much better! In fact, bloody good even! I still think you'd better listen to Jennifer and me. You'll regret it when you're up to 250+ spam messages per day. Don't include your literal e-mail address with the "mailto:" tag. At the very least say "mail me at name at domain dot com".

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 05:01 AM

Ooh, I don't mind - mail from there gets through 2 filters before it reaches my "actual" email address; it's a 2-hop forward with spam filters in each step (and the last step in fact uses a 3rd-pty service that our company uses, which is brilliant, it stops 99%+ of spam by itself. And I control all three steps, including the initial email address (I can change them at a moments' notice), so if the spam gets too much I can change settings, names etc.

Now, to populate the photos, contents and lyrics/sounds pages...

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 05:03 AM

Here's a thought: I'll count spam as fan-mail in my stats!
Desperate or what!

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Hamish
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 05:39 AM

Hey! Friend! Would you like to add 4 inches to your fan-mail stats? With FGH (Fan Growth Hormone) you'll have your fans begging for mercy. Click here to unsubscribe.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: breezy
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 06:07 AM

meanwhile back in folksville

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: My guru always said
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 10:36 AM

By the time I get the new PC connected to the net you'll be on the Mark III version.....
Good job George!!
Hil

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: GUEST,Wordless Woman
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 11:38 AM

Everything worked fine and looks fine. Didn't click on the songs, though, 'coz I'm at work. Good for you and best of luck.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 08:38 AM

I clicked It takes a soldier, fine lyrics, and that's what I didn't hear: 0&²uŽfϦ٠.. T? and so on.
What sound machine should I install?

Wilfried

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Watson
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 09:10 AM

It works OK for me, Wilfried.
Click on the title for the words, click on the headphones, the song plays in Windows Media Player - or whatever you have set as a default for .wma files.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 09:11 AM

They are WMA (Windows Media Player Audio) files, Wilfried.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: breezy
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 10:51 AM

hear him live tonight in st albans

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 27 Oct 03 - 10:43 AM

thanks, el greko - It doesn't work with my Netscape version, but very well with MS Internet Explorer. Very fine lyrics and tunes, I enjoyed them.

Wilfried

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Watson
Date: 27 Oct 03 - 11:12 AM

I wonder if the problem with Netscape is spaces in the file names.
IE replaces them with %20 and carries on regardless. I don't have Netscape on my computer at the moment, but I remember it used to throw a wobbly if it encountered such things.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 27 Oct 03 - 12:54 PM

Spaces now eliminated from filenames

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From:
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 04:44 PM

Great songs on SILENT MAJORITY. First CD I have ever heard - lent by a friend, very, very good. Only up to LOOK AWAY but the first three tracks won me over

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 02:45 AM

Thanks jenup, much appreciated.
I have now updated the site further: some more pics, a few new captions, and a new page with all songs (not just the published ones) in chronological order and with notes on background.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 06:22 PM

I hope this will include the stunning new song, about the soldier's life after the war, performed in the chapel at Talbot House last weekend. Thank you George.

Kitty

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 04:52 AM

Bless you Kitty, thanks. It is in fact "What life for a soldier", which just made it into the Silent Majority album, and I don't do it very often in clubs because it's "dark" and has no chorus. But it just seemed the right song for the chapel at TocH, so I did it unaccompanied for the first time ever, and I think I prefer it that way now! Goes to show that you can sometimes over-egg the accompaniment to the detriment of the lyrics.

Subject: RE: El Greko's website - shoot at will
From: breezy
Date: 26 Nov 03 - 05:42 AM

I see there's anew page when you go to 'contacts'