Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?

Subject: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 02:07 AM

There's probably a simple answer to this question, but I haven't found it. I have a new Dell notebook running Windows XP. I use Netscape 7.1 for my primary browser and my primary email, which is through RoadRunner. (Don't ask me about clients and hosts and all that...I still haven't figured out which is what.) In my old faithful Netscape 4.79, the email screen had a pulldown menu that included two very useful folders: "Sent Mail" and "Trash". Where did they go? I just accidentally deleted an email and now I can't find it. It's not in the recycle bin, of course, and when I did a search for a file/folder called "Trash", I found nada.

So what am I missing here? How do I find the emails I've sent and the ones I've deleted? Or has Netscape and/or Microsoft "improved" those folders out of existence? (Like the browser cache file, which in Win98/NS 4.7x used to sit happily in the Netscape user folder, and now seems to be scattered among several folders in a path that doesn't even show up on Windows Explorer...)

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 09:42 AM

I use 7.1.

My guess is that you have not opened the left window that contains the directory listings. If you have a full, wall-to-wall blank screen for messages, then you need to go to the far left border. In the middle (vertically) of that border you'll find a pattern of dots, making it look sort of rough. Click on that, and you should be shown a vertical window at the left containing directory listings.

If this doesn't do it, I don't know.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: NH Dave
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 09:58 AM

On the other hand you will find that ver 7.1 stores its files in some proprietary format so they are no longer files that can be opened with a text editor. You can thank AOL for this "goodie" as they own "Netscape" now.

Dave

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 10:11 AM

I still use the old Netscape mail. I tried moving some files around to keep my old directories when I installed the new Netscape, and it messed up. I uninstalled it all but when I reinstalled it it remembered the old mistake. So I don't use it. I use the new browser sometimes but I kept the older mail program. I also use Eudora and Pegasus for other email accounts. I don't think I'll get the new Netscape mail set up this time around (and if it has AOL nonsense in it, it's probably just as well--and no wonder it loaded all of that AOL crap when it installed. It doesn't remove the pernicious stuff when you uninstall Netscape).

Hey Mark, did you see any of those tornadoes yesterday?

SRS

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 10:32 AM

dispose of Netscape with AOL 'enhancements'....get Mozilla 1.6 you will like it. It will not do nasty things. It has MANY wonderful features.

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 11:58 AM

Bill, isn't Netscape part of Mozilla? Or did they sever ties at some point? Thanks for the link!

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 12:53 PM

Speaking of Netscape 7.1 . . .

I've noticed that when I download pictures (which I do fairly often for historical research) it download time is pretty slow - before in earlier versions of Netscape, once the image was on my screen (and therefore downloaded to my computer), clicking on saving it only took a couple seconds. Now it's something like 20 - 30 seconds. And it locks up the browser while it's doing that.

Anyone know how to improve that speed. When I occasionally use IE, I have no lag time, but I'd rather use Netscape

Thanks!

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 01:26 PM

Netscape & Mozilla are built on the same basic platform...it's like a chassis and drive train and engine block with different enhancements added...AOL chose to add stuff with lots of extra weight and tailfins and telescoping antennas and radios that have AOL stations as defaugt..*grin*

Blackcatter..that is really weird! I'd worry about that...I have no idea what it is doing for 20-30 seconds.

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 06:45 PM

Actually, I guess I should have asked: Do you get your email on your own machine, or get it at Netscape Mail?   My suggestion was based on my own setup, with mail coming to my machine.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 09:34 PM

Netscape has mail both ways. I download it to my machine. You can also get an account through Netscape that lets you use an exclusively web account through "My Netscape."

SRS

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Bo Vandenberg
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 09:51 PM

Netscape 7 has a special imap link to Netscape mail that is really nice.

Unfortunately Mozilla 1.5 is the vastly superior software (IMHO) and is much better than anything else for windows (I haven't tried Opera). If you don't need netscape mail Mozilla is much better.

Netscape mail recently 'improved' their service to delete all your email if your account is inactive for 30 days. Also their 5mb limit is made almost useless by the amount of Spam they let in (at least in my account). Whats the point of having 5 mb if you get 1mb of spam a day?

S

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 10:50 PM

Senility may be the cause of some individuals thinking unexpected obscenities humourous.

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Bo Vandenberg
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 11:22 PM

Definitely that, plus an identity crisis, the inability to be proud of ones own name (one can only guess why), and a need to be rude based on the likely cause that the persons signed opinion is worth so little.

Immaturity does not equal eternal youth.


S

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 29 Jan 04 - 03:34 AM

Dave, you nailed it. OK, now I'll be more than happy to try Mozilla.   Do I just set it up with the SMTP and POP servers from RoadRunner? So I can keep the same email address? Pardon what sound like dumb questions, but as much as I think I understand basic OS stuff (my first computer was an Epson Equity I, one of the orignal PC clones--what was that, 256K of RAM?), email issues always seem to baffle me.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Jan 04 - 06:15 AM

Dear Joe,
I do object to the way you inserted the mention of the GARG-antuan obscenity I was objecting to - inside MY response!

Robin the Dissapointed!

{sorry-that was not Joe. }

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Jan 04 - 12:55 PM

Mark-yes, you use exactly the same information for the email program in Mozilla. Any program just needs to know where to go look for your mail ...and any password you use.

You could have 17 programs to check for mail...(I have ....um...only 9 or so ..*blush*) Why?...well, I don't actually USE them all regularly, but I can check mail from almost anything I have running that connects....and a couple of them do special tricks. All of them except one are told to check mail only, and leave it 'on the server'...then, when I am ready and have deleted all the spam, I tell my final program to download permanently.

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jan 04 - 03:32 PM

Okay, Bill, now that you've mentioned it, I have a few different mail programs also, but not so many as you. Searching for "free" email programs brings in a lot of stuff you don't want. I listed things I use above, plus I have a couple of Yahoo accounts (back when there wasn't web mail from my IP folks that was a life saver at times if I was on the road). What are the email programs you use, and did you buy any of them or find them as shareware?

SRS

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Jan 04 - 06:27 PM

My regular email is Eudora...they have a free version, but I have the paid version. This is where I do final downloading. In addition, I have Pegasus for some uses...it is the most famous 'complete' free email program, and has lots of special features...excessive for the average user...and I have not used it much recently.

I also have email within my newsreader, Agent, which I used to have set to check mail every 10 minutes, but since spam has gotten so bad, I have automatic checking disabled. Now I use it mostly to reply to usenet messages.

I have mail programs within my Mozilla broswer, my Opera browser, and in my old Netscape 4.79 browser, which will check mail there if I am expecting anything.

I also have, but have not used, a free program called "QuickSilver", which is ½ of a program for encrypting email. (It will work alone, but requires a 2nd program called "MixMaster" to do the actual encryption.) I may never need this, and am just studying it because...well..*grin*...because a feller's gotta have a hobby.

Then there are the "check your mail on the server and delete the spam" programs. I use something called "Pop3 ScanMailbox" a lot..(doesn't seem to be easily available now)...also use PopTray when I want to check 2-3 mail servers at once. And now I'm using G-Lock Spam Combat and training it to recognize spam and delete it from the server. It is pretty smart, but a bit slower, because I set it to read an online Spam database as part of its check. I used to use one called ePrompter, which is quite good...(you just get so you like one interface better)

That's 9....oh, I also have Outlook Express...somewhere..

I also USED to have Foxmail (small, but fast..from China, but nice english version) and a couple others.

I see a LOT of good comments about Pimmy (English version in middle of page), but have not used it.

...and I wouldn't be surprised if I have missed one. I have 2-3 other newsreaders, which may have email, but I have not even configured them for it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Jan 04 - 06:51 PM

BTW---I just realized I have one more program for online filtering...
FrontGate which I got to use with Pegasus, but have not used yet. (It says it will intergate with most standard email programs...that is, you run it, then tell it to open your regular when it's done filtering.)

It looks good, but I just have not checked it for ease of operation yet.

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 30 Jan 04 - 04:03 AM

Thanks, Bill.

I use MailWasher for filtering mail. It seems to work very well...except that I have to remember to use it before opening my email. One nice feature is that if you see obvious spam or a known worm (like the one going around now) you can tell MailWasher to "bounce" the message, which sends the message back to the originating source with a code indicating that your email address could not be found, thus diminishing your chance of receiving more spam from that source. Now that I think of it, though, "bouncing" a worm may not be the best move.    First, the source is likely to be a spoofed address, and thus less likely to be the source of more problem mail. Second, since Norton AntiVirus scans all outgoing mail on my computer, I get a message back that my message (the bounced one) contained a worm...you know, sometimes I wonder if we wouldn't be better going back to letters and phone calls...

Aloha,
Mark
(not really a curmudgeon, just tired)

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Bo Vandenberg
Date: 30 Jan 04 - 07:04 AM

Mozilla sets up just like any other Pop or Imap mail client. Netscape,as I stated earlier, has a special relationship with the netscape 7 browser that lets you more easily work with netscape.net but for the rest its the same (or more annoying) than mozilla.


Mozilla Will filter mail based on example words 'Viagra' for example.

Another good mail reader I like is Pegasus Mail.


So long as you're not running Outlook Express, and my name isn't in your OE address book, you can pick and chose.

sigurd

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Jan 04 - 10:19 AM

Mark...I just read a discussion that says that 'bouncing' spam is almost useless, as most spam uses fake addresses to avoid exactly that. Then the bouncing just adds to the total traffic and load on internet systems.

MailWasher is known as a good program, but it has been around awhile, and that 'bounce' trick was only good untill the spammers out-flanked it..*sigh*

I picked the above G-Lock Spam Combat partially 'because' it was new and used the latest theories about tactics. Since then, I have seen a couple others which do about the same thing...including this one which I found only today. It has a good write-up on how it, and others like it, work.

(Yeah...I know what you mean about wondering if we have doen ourselves a favor with all this new technology)

Subject: RE: Tech: Netscape 7.1: where's the Trash?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Jan 04 - 12:25 PM

I have a two-stage email process. The mail addresses I have set up through Earthlink are set to the "highest" filtering level, meaning that if they're not named in my web address book they don't get through. They go into two folders, "known" spam and "suspected" spam. There is a list of "known spam" because before I ratcheted up the settings I could click on them (in my web mail) and add them to the spam list. But they don't let you block more than 500 addresses, and that filled up fast.

I first go into by web access to each address, and I give a quick glance to the names before I dump them from the spam. Sometimes an old friend ends up in there, in which case I click on "move to Inbox and add to list." Easy. I try not to glance at the subject list of the spam--I don't want to see that teens are having sex with their pets! After I've filtered that stuff I log off and open my regular email clients and download the good mail and it is removed from the server at that time. Earthlink uses what it calls its "Spaminator." The software is put out by a company called "Brightmail."

SRS