BS: Janet Jacksons Breast

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST,Jeremiah McCaw
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 01:01 AM

Haven't read anything except the 1st 4 or 6 posts here, but . . .


C'mon people, are you really surprised to find the Michael's not the only boob in the family?


:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Dani
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 10:10 PM

You are right on the target, Tinker. I am so amazed, and feel like such a prude, when I'm in the mildest of stores (walmart!) and see the racy lingerie for little girls, and the outfits that just scream "SLUT". WHY?! What is the point? The tight shortshorts with the sassy words on the butt, worn on pre-adolescent butts. Who thinks that's OK, and what happens when the butt in question becomes the focus of everyone's eyes, lustful or disgusted? A mother of a 7th grader told me that in the crowd her daughter wanted to hang around with, the gift the girls wished for was thong underwear from Victoria's Secret.

I'm all for a shapely woman's right to dress however she likes (if I looked that good I might dress like that TOO!) but why the little ones? It's so confusing for everyone, in a culture where we don't even know how to talk with each other, let alone THEM about sex.

I'm glad to hear some of you thoughtful people I admire tackling this subject, because it really vexes me.

Dani

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 08:48 PM

Here's a piece about it from the Independent in London "The breast has become too big for its own good " - "The moment is here: the female mammary gland should be officially de-registered as an erotic zone..."

Is this really the most important thing that's happened in the States the last week?

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: dianavan
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 05:00 PM

Is it true? They will banish JJ from the Grammy's but not JT?

If the message was that it is O.K. to rip off a woman's blouse, then the 2nd message is that its O.K. to blame the victim.

I know that J.J. is not a victim but I'm referring to the message going out to the audience. This is deplorable. Think I'll go smash the t.v. Which reminds me...

We did not have a t.v. in our home until my kids were in their teens. It only lasted a year. The kids asked, "Can we sell the t.v. and use the money for new school clothes?" When I asked them why, they said, "Now that we have t.v., we never talk to each other anymore."

They turned out to be very thoughtful, young adults.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 02:45 PM

You and I have our disagreements, but on this one we are absolutely in concurrence. To have not taken Timberlake off the Grammy's is a double standard of the first order.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 02:21 PM

The men of hip hop may be changing fashion, but the women hip hop fashionistas are most decidedly getting sluttier and sluttier.

Jayz may be wearing a suit, but "his" woman, Beyonce, is still struttin' in slut wear, as are all the hip hop divas.

Perhaps, in the wake of the decision to banish JJ from the Grammy's but not JT, we should now refer to this as "the double breasted standard". ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 02:06 PM

While I don't disagree with your contention, Tink, that parents dress their kids, I completely reject your contention that the media is not culpable. I don't believe that any of the parties are off the hook on this issue. The simple fact is that media...and parents.. are catering to kids and abdicating their responsibilities to teach young men and women that this type of "eye candy" mentality, and this "what I am going to do to your body" attitude is not what women in today's world are all about.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: dianavan
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 01:47 AM

Sorry, Mick. I should have read the thread more closely and I would have totally agreed with you. Its the message!

d

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Tinker
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 12:09 AM

Mick, I've gotta say I don't think it's a media problem. Those same "little girls" (at least in my town) are dressed by thier parents from the tiniest size in expensive "junior slut ensembles" and it crosses all economic classes. Those feelings are reinforced by the media, but not built by it. My kids do watch a certain amount of MTV and VH 1, but I couldn't get my daughter to wear one of those outfits to a costume party if I wanted to ( and I don't). There are young ladies at her High School who have been very sheltered and who are just searching for ways to rebel and break free.. a lot like when we were in school. We had a few potentially destructive sex and drug peer expectations too.

My 12 year old son was at a coed superbowl party. The boys confessed it was "exciting" , yes seeing boobs is exciting even to bigger boys. But they all clearly got the message it wasn't the way they would ever see one. Didn't even need to be told...the girls just looked at 'em.

Mick, the look on Justin's face just before it happened was that of a little boy who had been handed a nickel and let in a penny candy store. Honest, violent bodice ripping is not something I take lightly. You know that. I can't even sing the Mississippi John Hurt Lyrics to Nobody's Dirty Business cause, I feel abuse is everybody's business. But Janet's stupidity is old news to the kids already. I think it's a grown up problem now.

On a hopeful note New Hip Hop trend the new fashion is traditional dress...And well covered

The Times may make you register, but it's free.


Tinker

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 11:14 PM

My point exactly, dianavan, with the added concern that so many little girls think that this is what it takes to be a woman. As I said, it's not the breast, it's the message.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 10:53 PM

I am not the least bit worried about an exposed breast or two.

However, I am horrified that so many little boys now think it is "cool" to rip open a girl's shirt.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST,PDC
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 08:35 PM

Sorry, I don't think men are fixated on breasts. Open your pants and look down... ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 04:22 PM

If we have to be fixated on something, why not a breast?

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 04:20 PM

157 posts already, and still going strong.

Breast fixation?

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 12:20 PM

For "Shock and Awe" read "Schmuck and Whore"
John

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 10:39 AM

One of my e-news reports cites an article by Lance Ulanoff, who reports that the "pregame" MTV release that promised "something shocking" was yanked, altered, pulled again, put back differently, etc.

If anyone actually cares what MTV said before the game, the pregame release is now back at MTV Pregame Release, apparently in it's original form, but with an added "editor's comment" inserted, explaining "that wasn't what we were talking about."

Although not too impressively presented, Mr Ulanoff's points about the manipulation of "history" are, perhaps, worth some thought.

As one who's normal interest in either celebrity news or football ranges from who cares to a little south of so what, I did go to the web to see if I could find a little about the persons and businesses involved.

My first conclusion was that, as a DDoS attack on the internet, the media generated frenzy over this was much more successful than the notorious "MyDoom" worm attack on SCO and Microsoft during the past couple of weeks. I found both individual pages and entire sites "operating" - but completely shut down when the "traffic" exceeded site capabilities, and numerous individual pages pulled, apparently in an attempt to control/reduce the traffic. A couple of sites with content about people who's names only resembled names of persons involved appeared to have been simply "turned off" until people get tired of it all.

And they will.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 09:26 AM

Thanks Raptor, I asccept your apology and apologize for my being thin skinned about this. I did explain that last comment about blaming the NFL in my previous post - I wasn't blaming them for the breast, just for being hypocrits.

All in all, I am sorry that I, along with most people who post here, fell into this trap. We've let the salient aspects of this story make it into more of an issue than it really is.   In the scheme of things, a 1 second flash on national TV is the least of our problems.

Ron

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Raptor
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 12:14 AM

Ron, All paranoia aside, You are not bieng attacked. I pointed out that some people (I didn't name you)were bashing football fans! You took it upon yourself to answer that post.

If you think you are being Jumped on You better stop reading now!

I was pointing out that some posts are condesending (ex: "Please Pay Attention" OR "I'll try to explain it again")

Most people who condesend don't realize it. I thought you might like to know. You seemed to me to be a nice guy who doesn't want to come off as a know it all. Every post I've ever read by you, that I can think of, leads me to believe that you are a good, Smart man and I didn't mean to imply that you personaly are the one who was football bashing!

But...

"I NEVER EVER Blamed the NFL for the performance"

03.FEB04 2:28pm YOU said : HEY Guest WAKE UPThe NFL has been BLAMED by several of us!
You need to read your posts before you start getting all defensive about what you said!

Better still lets drop this I do not want you to think that I am posting to you and you alone, to Jump on you, or attack you.

I really do respect you and your opinions.
Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: 42
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 09:46 PM

i never thought I'd say it but I'd rather watch a bunch of baton twirling majorettes with a decent marching band any day.

the three second exposure of the infamous breast was nowhere nearly as insulting as the fifteen minutes of not quite ready for prime time porn which it followed.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 08:47 PM

Before I am jumped on again, let me clarify. I don't blame the NFL for the performance, but I do blame them for hiring MTV and then saying they didn't approve.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 08:20 PM

Raptor - please pay attention. You are mixing two issues here. I'll try to explain it again.

The "stunt" is the showing of her breast. The overall tone of the performance is another issue.

No one, except JJ & JT knew about the "stunt".   Everyone knew about the overall tone of the half time show (except for the "stunt") and yes the NFL executives were present at rehearsals. The NFL complained AFTER the event about the stunt AND the overall halftime show.

I NEVER, EVER blamed the NFL for the performance.   I said (several times now) that the NFL knew what they purchased and they are trying to save their own face.

PLEASE, PLEASE point out to me where I said "football is for morons".    I am happy for anyone who enjoys the sport. I don't care for it, even if you think you can "guess" why I don't. I'm not sure what you were inferring there.

I'm sorry to drift this thread so much, but I don't appreciate being attacked.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Raptor
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 06:03 PM

Ron do you read what you write?

You Said that you" NEVER said that people knew about the stunt other than JJ and JT"

And in the same post you say that "NFL Executives were at rehursals and KNEW what they were getting"

Make up your mind I didn't put those words in your mouth!

I'll spell it out for you I didn't say that you said that the NFL put Janet up to it. You Blame the NFL. Unless they put her up to it How can you blame them?

Now I find out that you were there, Wait before you say I'm putting words in your mouth about being there didn' you say that you knew that Exectutives were at rehursals? How could you possibly know Who was there and what they saw if you weren't there yourself?

And finally I don't give a shit if you like football I'm pretty sure you don't and I think that I can guess why you don't.

I just thought you would consider the difference between saying " I don't like football" And "I think that football is for morons"

Once again I do not mean to put words in your mouth I thought you would care enough about how the words you choose make you sound

Thats where I get PIOUS and Pompus.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 04:56 PM

In the interest of capitalizing on bad taste I'm gonna suggest to my sea shanty band that we add this new verse to the old forebitter "All for Me Grog":

Where is me shirt,
Me nobbie, nobbie shirt,
It's all gone for beer and tobacco!
For it's really plain to see
Since I've been on MTV
That me breast is hanging out for better weather!

We're sure to become filthy rich!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 04:45 PM

The only equivilent of gob stopper in the US is a gag.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 11:40 AM

And hell of a gob stopper.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST,Don Hakman
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 11:33 AM

There was no bad taste as far as popular MTV culture goes.

HOWEVER

If Justin had tried to taste that metal clad nipple and
got his tongue piercing stuck in the sun rays of the nipple ring...
Now that would have been a show stopper.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 09:28 AM

Raptor, when and where did I ever say the NFL put Janet Jackson up to it????    I did indeed know that Janet Jackson admitted it, and I commented on it. Also, I NEVER said that people knew about the stunt, other than JJ & JT. Please read more carefully and stop putting words in people's mouths.

NFL executives were at the rehearsals and saw the general tone of the performances. After the incident, they complained not only about Janet's boob, but they also complained about other elements of the half-time show and said MTV would probably not be asked back.   The MTV idea for the half-time show was presented to the NFL as a proposal, and then the NFL hired them to put it on. In the weeks leading up to the event there were numerous rehearsals and the NFL was indeed present.   For them to come back and say they did not want that show is pure BS.

Additionally, I'm sorry if you are thin skinned about some ribbing about football. Yes, it is indeed "only football". If it can't stand up to criticism, then it is also not a real sport. One step away from professional wrestling in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 09:01 AM

The NFL and the advertisers bought and paid for the halftime show. They knew exactly what they were getting, even if they didn't know the specifics of the bodice ripping part--the pre-game hype advertising promised "shocking moments". JJ delivered. The controversy is good for ratings, which is good for advertisers, and good for the NFL.

No one is in trouble for this. In fact, the execs will probably get bonuses and an exotic tropical vacation for all the free media this bought them a week after a game that normally would be totally ignored by now, and pushed aside by other news.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Raptor
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 06:42 AM

By the way did you know that since the incident Janet claimed herself that she staged the whole thing and she didn't claim the NFL put her up to it?

That might suprise you.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Raptor
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 06:36 AM

Ron, Reread these posts! You might see what I mean(you might not). Some of the posts are insulting!
"its Just football"

"Playing without a helmet"

You seem to think putting on a superbowl is so easy that you have time to check out all the rehursals. But you also claim that you have insider information that MTV had no idea that this was gonna happen.
MTV the same crew that brought us these shock value videos in the frist place, The same MTV that had no problem showing us Lil'Kims breast and had no problem with Howard Stearn's Fartman skit!
MTV are the one's that show the crotch grabbing all the time.

If you think that JJand JT rehursed this crap and people knew it was going to happen than you should check any of the hundreds of news stories now out there about the incident to get your facts straight!

One Thing is true that Crap is not acceptable, not that it is a womans breast, But that is is O.K. to rip off the clothes of any one you want to see naked!

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Amos
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 10:20 PM

Right on, Ron!! LOL!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 10:14 PM

Chill Raptor, it's only football.

I love sports, particularly baseball. I can't stand football for many reasons but that is my own opinions. I'm sure you have sports you can't stand. Nobody is being pious and thinking we are holy than thou.

People are blaming the NFL because they saw the rehearsals and knew what the general tone of the performance was. The NFL official came out and said that there elements other than Janet's boob that bothered them. Talk about being pious!   They hire MTV to produce the show AND they approve of the performers AND they watch the rehearsals, and then they have the audacity to complain about the content of the whole halftime show? Sounds like somebody was playing without a helmet.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 09:15 PM

Time to check in on this.

Oh the outrage! Oh how offensive! Quick cover your children's eyes.

Meanwhile no one cares when their kid sees a commercial for Viagra.

"Mommy, what's Viagra for?"

"It's nothing, sweetheart. Just medicine so a man can get a boner."

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 09:05 PM

Cluin   says:
      
"Going topless is legal for women in Ontario now. Has been for a few years. Contrary to tight-ass fears (and leerer's hopes), there hasn't been a rush of women to bare all north of the waist yet. Sightings of the well-aired tit in the wild are still pretty rare. The professionals have nothing to fear."

Well hell yes but remember it ain't modesty that's keepin' 'em closed above the waist - its cuz its too damn cold up thataway!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Raptor
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 08:54 PM

O.K. I've got a few problems here!

First How can you blame The NFL for this bullshit when it was obviously a stunt that Janet And Justin did at the last minute? Was it Crazy for them to ask MTV to handle the Music? Or should they have known that, Janet A relitively tame preformer and Justin (wasn't he a backstreet boy?) a kid, that they would use this as a venue for crass promo for JANETS NEW RECORD? They had her brother the baby dangling, child molesting, try to look like a white woman, freak on a few years ago and he behaved!

Second I'm sick of the people here talking about Football and its fans like they are all no-neck barbarians that destroy nature as some pious catter put it!

If you don't get it Fine don't watch it but don't give me this Im a better person than you cause it's beneath me shit!

The minute someone puts up a book thread Its the same sports bashing pompus jerks that get into a pissing contest over whos read the most obscure and intelectual novels You don't see us sports fans making fun of your need to try to impress one another with your bragging about "I've read this, and you gotta try that!

Let me let you in on a little secret. A lot of people watched the superbowl cause they like football and you are insalting quite a few people with your PIOUS I'm better than you shit!

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 05:30 PM

Going topless is legal for women in Ontario now. Has been for a few years. Contrary to tight-ass fears (and leerer's hopes), there hasn't been a rush of women to bare all north of the waist yet. Sightings of the well-aired tit in the wild are still pretty rare. The professionals have nothing to fear.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 04:09 PM

Thanks for the replies, explains the hysteria over a breast.

Subject: Nudity and Obscenity
From: Bo Vandenberg
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 03:55 PM

Ontario went through an interesting court case where a bare chested woman was arrested for indecent exposure or some such. She won and it was, rightly argued, that a pair of boobs aren't obscene.

Most of the time I think 'decency' laws are obscene especially if they interfere with feeding babies. I think the whole media control of women is obscene.

If you want to go naked, you want to go naked. You are not advertising yourself for sex. I think nudity would be a lot more healthy if there was more of it.


"Who needs a hobby like tennis or Philately,
I've got a hobby, re-reading Lady Chaterly...."

                               T. Lehrer

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: open mike
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 03:49 PM

there are many places where "skinny dipping" (or chunky dunking as the case may be) are the norm rather than the exception...mostly at more
remote "bodies" of water. Usually not at "developed" public swimming places--more likely at "wild" swimming holes with no amenities/facilities and hot springs are usually "clothing optional" too.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 03:33 PM

there are a 'few' places where topless is ok, but not many (it used to be accepted at a public swimming pool in Austin, Texas)...it is a silly relic of "our Puritan forefathers"

The 'dance'and show that preceeded the unveiling was FAR worse than than the view itself..

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Kim C
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 03:11 PM

GUEST who asked about topless bathing in the US - it is generally not accepted in public unless you are at a nudist resort. It will probably get you arrested for indecent exposure.

I have always wondered about that, though... I never considered that breasts were "indecent." Well, not most of them anyway.............

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 02:49 PM

First, in order to understand what is going on, you need to know who is fueling the controversy. It is the right wing media (Fox and the other cable news outlets like CNBC & MSNBC) that is keeping the thing going.

Initially, there was a question of CBS having violated FCC rules about indecency (not obscenity, which is a different broadcast standard) by allowing the broadcast of the incident, regardless of who was at fault. FCC rules require the "free" networks to conform to public decency standards that the cable "pay tv" channels do not have to conform to (though your local right wing nuts would dearly love to see changed).

So the groups that have been all over the news this week are the Traditional Values Coalition (right wing nuts) and some other group, also of right wing nuts, and the FCC, CBS, and the NFL.

Yes, the double standard of Nelly (one of the other half-time performers) grabbing his crotch vs JJ & Justin exposing JJ's breast is pretty obvious, but frankly, I'd rather live with little FCC regulation of cable, rather than having cable held to the standards of NBC, CBS, ABC & PBS. We would have even more censorship. People just need to turn off the stuff they don't want to watch, just like they need to not check books out of the library that offend them, IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:42 PM

David Letterman said Janet and Justin's little stunt meant that he's "no longer the biggest boob on CBS."

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 11:59 AM

I'm all for it. Unlike most politicians, at least they made a clean bresat of it before they had to nip it in the bud (so to speak). Like Bob Hope. all I can say is, "Thanks for the mammaries."

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 10:04 AM

I am appalled by several aspects of this whole thing..What Americans get riled up about and what passes for news in the USA. For God's sake..an overhyped sports match, an oversexed teen nutter, an overexposed Janet Jackson...WHO cares. Is the world so caught up in this phoniess that it has become reality....what is going on here ?

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 09:30 AM

Guest, your "who owns whom" (a reference book, by the way) is something reference librarians have known for a very long time. Spend some time researching the members of the Boards of Directors of various unrelated companies if you want to see REAL incest.

Of course, no one pays attention to librarians....

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Amos
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 08:37 AM

Well, I think it is a fine breast, and I am glad I got to see it, but I have seen better. In any case it certainly seemed to e consensual exposure, so I dinna think I understand all the kafluffle. Are there people out there who are pretending there were none there?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Tinker
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 08:08 AM

Just a quick comment from the boys locker room... I sat down with my high school son and asked him to tell me honestly what the word was at school about Janet Jackson. (Urban Jesuit boys high school) The immediate response was " Well, she had to prove she wasn't Micheal somehow. Her whole opening was lifted from Micheal's act."

Okay so mom wanted a little more so I pushed a little... so is it okay to rip a girls clothes off. " If she hadn't planned it she would've bitch slapped him right off the stage, everyone knows that... She's way tougher than him.."   Yes, we need to talk to our kids, but I think they've learnt more from our example than anything they've seen on TV...

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 11:07 PM

Right on and well said, Sigurd. Your first line should be at the top of a petition that thousands of people could sign and send to the networks and film makers. Good for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Janet Jacksons Breast
From: Bo Vandenberg
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 10:34 PM

What bothers me is the trash. I think it forcibly manipulates our media and cheapens our society when artless scandal is perpetrated for sensationalism.

I myself wouldnt particularly care if both Timblerlake and Jackerson were topless instead of just artless but I think they put their own fame before the image of the game and their audience CBS either allowed them or aided them. CBS gave them their chance.

I think the theme of nasty sex as entertainment is not appropriate for the venue and it is reprehensible that they could enact this rape then call it a malfunction. Jackson should have been open from the beginning that this was her wish (She now appears to be saying it was part of the act).

Personally I think the government should not try to delineate all the problems with the half time show, of which the Jackson's breast was just one -- they should fine CBS.

According to one web site the FCC has the power to fine up to $27,500 per incident per station. Without splitting hairs I think this should be done and the money given to breast cancer research.

They should kick this into the point where they talk about the money they lost not the flesh they revealed. Make it seem unprofitable to produce such bad TV. Only in the law suites to reclaim some of this money will we ever hear about the real decision for this trash.

I also think it deplorable that the CBS can use its size to scare the FCC. I dont care that 27,500 times the number of their stations might be a big fine. They're big and irresponsible, suck it up.


Breast cancer, women's shelters or some thing that recognises the issue here. Not as a write off, a fine. If CBS complains, open the case and increase the fine.


Sigurd

my .02