BS: Kerry supported by Iran?

Subject: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 01:13 AM

Now I'm really scared. The latest is that Kerry is "in bed" with Iranians who think the mullahs are a great way to control the masses.

Contributors to his campaign must be looked at very carefully.

I have long suspected that one of the reasons Bush is smiling is that Kerry is just a new face with the same agenda. Whether Bush is in or out of the white house, his dirty little war will continue and his bank account will continue to grow regardless.

Whether you're talking about Iran, Iraq or Saudi Arabia doesn't really matter. Nothing will change there. There will be no democracy. The ruling elite will continue to rule with the help of religious fanatics.

Sounds alot like the U.S. to me.

Sometimes I just have to express my most negative thoughts. I hope its not true but...

You do realize that the mullahs of Iran will never allow democracy to flourish in their own backyard, don't you? Kerry will end up with the tragedy of Afghanistan and Iraq and have to deal with Iran, as well. Pretty soon, Saudi Arabia will have to step in to protect their own greedy interests.

Bush has led us down the old road of divide and conquer. He is smiling because he is winning on a personal level.   

Bush is just pure evil. Kerry is just another political whore.

d

I hope I change my mind tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: sledge
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 04:15 AM

And this comes from where?

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: GUEST,Martian Gibbon
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 05:07 AM

"The latest is that Kerry is "in bed" with Iranians"

Wrong thread this should be in "strange sexual practices"

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 08:50 AM

Ahhhh, lets not get all worked up about "democracy" in the MiddleEast because it ain't gonna work there no better than it works here...
Bush didn't have the US invade Iraq because he was all that concerned with democracy. Heck, if he cared about it then he wouldn't have had a plane load of lawyers as well as several buses full of goons to harrass poll workers all waiting Election night to see where they would be needed the following morning.

But, yeah, Kerry talks as if he'd not be so swayed my the militayry industrialists but talk is cheap. Bottom line, who ever is president will find there are folks who just happen to represent the military industrialists who find themselves in positions of influence.

I am a little less concerned about an invasion of Iran over the next 4 years, however, because the only way to do it will be to reinstste the draft and that is not something, especially in light of the current debackle in Iraq, will be quite difficult to pull off without massive protests. Throw in the added costs to the deficit and I don't think it will happen...

Shoot, the Iraqi quagmire has allready serriously and negatively effected foriegn policy in that the world is watching genocide in the Sadan and the US finds itself not able to act...

My take on the situation...

BObert

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 09:07 AM

Dianavan:

Cite your sources. It supports your credibility and gives you a chance to think more clearly about whose data you are using.

Kerry is no more in bed with Iran than Bush is in bed with Osama bin Laden.

Ah...hmmmmm....well, anyway....cite 'em!

:> )


A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 09:20 AM

The idiocies that some people (all across the political spectrum) are willing- nay eager- to believe these days never ceases to amaze me.

Poor Thomas Jefferson - advocate of the "Informed Electorate" - is spinning in his grave.

God Help America.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 12:56 PM

Thanks for reminding me, Amos, that I shouldn't be venting but should take a more scholarly approach to what I sometimes think is just a discussion in a bar.

http://www.daneshjoo.org/article/publish/article_3130.shtml

I'm not sure if this is a reliable source, but I tend to listen to what students are saying. They tend to have a finger on the pulse.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: Amos
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 01:38 PM

The flap about which these students write is based on an email alleged to have been sent from Kerry to an Iranian newspaper   " saying that Kerry will try to repair the damage done by the incumbent president if he wins the election." "... America needs the kind of leadership that will repair alliances with countries on every continent that have been so damaged in the past few years, as well as build new friendships and overcome tensions with others." Adding further: "He believes that collaboration with other countries is crucial to efforts to win the war on terror and make America safer."

If Kerry's office sent this email, which is unproven, it is a LONG way from saying that Kerry is in bed with Iranians or anyone else. If he is garnering world support by offering to heal spme of the blazing gaffes of his predecessor by using diplomacy instead of bombing runs, what of it?

He wouldn't gain much in world opinion if he offered to continue the aggressions and ill-thought out miltant policies of his predecessor, I think.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: sledge
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 01:41 PM

dianavan,

And thats it !thats evidence of Kerry in bed with Iran I call it a long winded rant, Students can be as full of themselves as any one else, you really do worry way too much, how do manage to leave the house in the morning for worrying.

I know he might end up being your president and not mine but come on, if we all trawled the net looking for stuff to discredit/smear anyone we would surely find it sooner or later. If he had any involvement with Iran then the Bush camp would have been at his throat instantly, not a peep from them?

Sledge

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 01:41 PM

dianavan, before making predictions about what is and is not possible in the Middle East, first consider the fact that Iran did have a fledgling democracy for a short while that was crushed by a US CIA backed coup. The US then created a client state in Iran by backing the Shah, a dictator of the Saddam school of dictatorship. The revolution that put the Islamic extremists in power was a backlash against these things.

Now consider what you have said you are afraid of in this thread. You have become afraid of Iran. That's what the whisper campaigns are all about these days. Iran. That's how the US public (and the publics of a few other countries) were prepared for the idea of a war against Iraq. Whisper campaigns aimed at making people afraid of Saddam. Saddam was the boogie monster of the day two years ago. The Taliban was the boogie monster of the day just before the US attacked Afghanistan. Now it's Iran. If you continue to see Iran featured prominently in the fear-mongering press, count on Iran being the next country that the US attacks. I don't think it has anything to do with Kerry at all. In fact, I've seen things Kerry has said that lead me to think that he would very probably wage some kind of military action against Iran himself, if he gets elected. I've been pointing this out since before the Primaries.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 02:21 PM

Yes, Carol C, I do believe the U.S. will eventually wage war against Iran, regardless of who is president. Its part of the plan.

Sledge - The Bush camp won't bring this up because they don't care if Kerry wins or not. It makes no difference. Doesn't matter who is called president. Those that are behind the scenes are the ones that should be scrutinized. Look at the campaign contributors.

Me? Whether its Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq or Saudi Arabia makes no difference to me - the political leaders are all very corrupt. Waging war is not going to solve the problems there. The people are better off with dictators than when they are subjected to war by an outside force. The cruelty will continue. The best we can do is give refuge to those who escape.

Here's a real story. A young engineering student was living in his uncle's house in Iran. He rented rooms to other students. One of the students was female. When the the Mullahs came to power, they said that students could not co-habitat. Since they were not Moslem, they defied the ban and were expelled from school.

As soon as the young man was expelled, he was drafted and sent to the front lines of Iraq to defend the Kurds. He was captured by Iraq and sent to a POW camp. He was one of only a handful of people that have ever escaped. He sought refuge in Turkey and his application was accepted by Canada.

By law he should have reported to duty in Iran but wait a minute... they got him into the mess in the first place!

So you see, human rights abuse is prevalent all over the middle east. Doesn't matter which country you are talking about. And now - the U.S. is abusing human rights. Nobody is in control and nobody is right. So much for the new world order! The idea that the U.S. is the leader of freedom and democracy has died. I am very sorry.

When it gets right down to it, the most logical solution to this is to stop using oil. It will help the environment and end alot of oppression. Thats the best I can come up with. I am very discouraged and am back to realizing that we can only change our own lives and base our lives on good deeds to others.

The election hoopla is just another false hope. These are dangerous times and the powers of evil are winning.

s

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: Nerd
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 07:35 PM

The Bush camp won't bring this up because they don't care if Kerry wins or not.

You heard it here first. Get out your tinfoil hats, the Bush/Kerry mind-control ray is almost ready....

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 12:41 PM

This might just be a campaign to smear Kerry but if there is any truth to this, I think we should know about it. Its worth looking at.

http://www.daneshjoo.org/article/publish/article_3162.shtml

I want to know all sides of this story especially when I do not trust that the objectives of Iran have anything to do with civil liberties. It is a government of religious fanatics.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 02:10 PM

I've just had a look around the website you linked to, as well as the websites of some of the other pro-democracy and pro-Iranian/American rights websites mentioned in the first site. I think there's a lot more to the group you've linked to than meets the eye. There's a lot of stuff in their website that just doesn't add up or make much sense to me. It reminds me a lot of some of the more right-wing Cuban/American political organizations.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 02:37 PM

It is a government of religious fanatics.

And in that respect quite unlike the one in Washington?

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:58 PM

McGrath - I was actually thinking about how much the two fundamentalist governments are alike.

When they came to power in Iran, both dancing and music (except religious music) were banned. The boys were told not to drink or touch women but that in heaven they would find rivers of wine and beautiful women awaiting them. They were even given a little, plastic key (made in Hong Kong) to open the gates of heaven when they got there. If you have a son over 12 years of age you may not leave the country because your son must serve in the military. This begins at a very early age and is akin to brainwashing.

Sounds alot like Christian fundamentalism to me.

Carol C. - You could be absolutely right. It may be that there is alot of anger about loss of freedoms imposed on them by the Mullahs. I'm sure it frightens them to think that Kerry may not be the answer if influential Iranians are contributing to his campaign.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 01:03 PM

People in almost every country in the World right now would rather see Bush out of office...therefore would prefer to see Kerry win. So why focus on Iran in particular?

One exception to the above: Israel.

However, I'm sure that Kerry would be just about as helpful to Israel's interests as Bush anyway, so why should they worry? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 01:36 PM

This is a crock of hooey. IF KErry wants to open dialogue with Iran, and test the waters of diplomacy to see if htey can be broought up to "higher" standards of relations, why not let him try?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 05:12 PM

And in that respect quite unlike the one in Washington?
Yes.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry supported by Iran?
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 08:49 PM

Dialogue is fine and dandy. I'm all for it. Its the campaign contributors that worry me.

d