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Subject: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:52 AM 63% of undecided voters, according to a recent TIME poll, are women. So is it a real possibility that the single women's vote could decide it all this year? That suggestion was made over at TIME.com: "The goal for Kerry is to lock women in and turn them out on Nov. 2. If single women were to vote at the rate of married women, it could make all the difference. In a TIME poll from September, 50% of single women supported Kerry, versus 38% of married women. Single women comprise 43% of the U.S. female voting-age population, but in 2000 nearly half of them remained on the sidelines (compared with 40.5% of the general public). They either had not registered or did not vote. To make sure they get to the polls this time, the Democratic National Committee has a program called Take Five that encourages female supporters to identify five single women and get them out to vote by contacting them repeatedly before Election Day. Women's groups are mustering their forces as well. Planned Parenthood helped sponsor a Vaginas Vote, Chicks Rock concert to raise money and awareness last month at the Apollo Theater in New York City. In battleground states last week an organization called Mothers Opposing Bush began running ads featuring Sopranos star Edie Falco talking about failing schools and inadequate health care. In college papers the group is placing ads warning about a reinstatement of the draft unless Kerry wins. Persistent if unsubstantiated rumors of a coming draft may have explained Bush's explicit promise in his closing debate remarks to maintain an all-volunteer force. The pro-Kerry organizations are lined up against groups like Security Moms 4 Bush and Women in Support of the President. All those women may have at least one thing in common: whatever the outcome on Nov. 2, they are not packing up their political tents. Having discovered their power to move the levers of an election and get the candidates to court them, many are already planning their priorities for the next crusade, which begins Nov. 3."
-Joe Offer- ...and then I changed my mind when I was convinced the term "vagina vote" was legit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: alanabit Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:33 AM Dear Guest, whereas I am basically on your side politically, I would have preferred it if you had placed a potentially controversial post with a name. I am also baffled as to why the word "vagina" needed to be in the title of this thread. It is eye catching, but I suspect that there may be more than one woman who would prefer not to be referred to by her genitalia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: Amos Date: 03 Oct 04 - 12:06 PM What -0- the single-penis voters aren't worth courting? And ...um... are their double-or-more-vagina voters out there? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: katlaughing Date: 03 Oct 04 - 12:20 PM alanabit is right...the title of this thread needs to be changed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: Peter T. Date: 03 Oct 04 - 12:34 PM But what of West Vagina? That was a pivot state in the last election. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 04 - 12:58 PM Well, I guess that would make Bobert's measuring scale a: Wes Vaginny Slide Rule |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: dianavan Date: 03 Oct 04 - 03:49 PM I didn't know about double vaginas. You learn something every day! d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Oct 04 - 04:38 PM Kangaroos. Over-bred dogs (sometimes) Very rare in people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 04 - 04:53 PM The chief female genital is known as the vagina. This organ is present in all marsupials and placental mammals. In marsupials, two vaginas as and two uteri are present; in primates, including the human female, only one vagina a is present; and in mammals intermediate in development between the marsupials and primates, various degrees of partially united, double vaginas as are present. As long as they don't get to vote double or twice. So, if you see any kangaroos in the voting line, contact a voting official...the offending marsupium may have an underaged "joey" in that pouch that might pull the lever a second time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 04 - 07:40 PM "In a TIME poll from September, 50% of single women supported Kerry, versus 38% of married women. " So, what does this say about women who marry? Or about those who do not? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: Bobert Date: 03 Oct 04 - 07:49 PM Hey, GUEST, don't be draggin' me 'er the Wes Ginny Slide Rule into this one... You started it an' you gonna have to take the heat... Sorry, but yer on yer own on this one... Even the Wes Ginny Slide Rule knows not to use the "v" word... I mean, I doubt if it even knows what it means but knows nuff to stay away from it... Now as fir me, I know when to stay away from it... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Vagina Voters Decide Election? From: GUEST,Guest, Not Guest That Started The Tread Date: 03 Oct 04 - 08:24 PM Bobert, Just the kind of response I expected from you. I got a good laugh. Thanks Remember, "one size fits all" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Female Voters Decide Election? From: GUEST,The Guest that started it Date: 03 Oct 04 - 09:26 PM Jesus, you people are pathetic. This place is SO easily offended by the word "vagina" but sexist joke threads about wives is A-OK. I can't believe this is being censored. Did anyone read the opening post? The thread title was intended as an attention grabber sure, but did any of you read the reference from the Time article? Did you? Why not censor the quote from the article too then, if you all find the word vagina so offensive. BTW, can those of you who are so offended by the word vagina? It isn't a curse word. It isn't vile. It is simply a word that distinguishes a woman from a man, the same way use of the word penis does. Are these banned words from use in thread titles now? Among adults, who constantly claim we are all mature enough to spew venomous, vile insults at one another as acceptable fare here, but put the word vagina in a thread title and the forum has a meltdown? This is like a very bad junior high flashback. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Female Voters Decide Election? From: beardedbruce Date: 03 Oct 04 - 09:30 PM GUEST,The Guest that started it Your title was imprecise- I think you meant unmarried women voters, but from the title it was all voters that had a single vagina. Is that what you meant? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Female Voters Decide Election? From: Peace Date: 03 Oct 04 - 09:35 PM My gawd. So let me see if I got the gist of this: The 'v' word thingy can get a Joey in it that will pull the lever a second time? What WILL they think of next? Diebold, eat yer heart out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Female Voters Decide Election? From: GUEST, Not Guest That Started The Tread Date: 03 Oct 04 - 09:39 PM "Planned Parenthood helped sponsor a Vaginas Vote" I guess Guest was right? Maybe censorship was a bit too extreme? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Female Voters Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 04 - 09:40 PM beardedbruce, why not read the opening post to this thread and answer the question for yourself? The use of the term "vagina voter" was taken verbatim from the quote in the opening post of this thread, from an article in Time magazine. But apparently, our terribly sensitive Mudcatters need even Time magazine censored for them. We wouldn't want to offend people. Just keep this place safe for Martin Gibson, et al to spew their putrescence all over us instead of being able to handle actually seeing the word VAGINA in a thread title. I feel so much better knowing that the word vagina deeply disturbs so many people here. I think katlaughing ought to start a letter writing campaign against Time magazine for having the audacity to print this: "Women's groups are mustering their forces as well. Planned Parenthood helped sponsor a Vaginas Vote, Chicks Rock concert to raise money and awareness last month at the Apollo Theater in New York City." I'm sure Catholic Joe Offer does find vaginas to be be obnoxious. But how he twisted the thread title to mean what HE says it means, is even more sinister. But hey--if Joe Offer and the clones want to play principal at the junior high dance, to keep all of us adults from seeing the word vagina, they can go right ahead driving this place to another new low.
Thank you. Sincerely, -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Female Voters Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 04 - 09:42 PM Maybe Catholic Joe Offer, being opposed to abortion, is also opposed to Planned Parenthood, AND to vaginas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Female Voters Decide Election? From: Peace Date: 03 Oct 04 - 09:45 PM I prefer this thread title. The other was catchy, but now that I know about the 'v' thing and the Joey, I think we gotta be real careful about letting them loose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Female Voters Decide Election? From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Oct 04 - 09:52 PM Vagina, Saskatchewan is a place of some significance in Canadian elections, but I don't think it has any pull in the USA. The word vagina is not in itself offensive nor is the word penis, but it is just downright silly to refer to women as "single vagina voters", because there is no one out there with a double or triple vagina. It's like saying "three-eared voters decide election?". It does not compute. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Female Voters Decide Election? From: Cluin Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:01 PM Guest, I thought it was another way you were referring to women, similar to the "C" word. As in: "Here's how they think the c___ts will vote on election day." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single Female Voters Decide Election? From: Peace Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:28 PM Now there's a 'c' word too? What's that have, a duckbilled platypus named Percival pull the lever? I think you guys are puttin' me on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Joe Offer Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:43 PM OK, so Google says it's a legitimate term. For further information, check out www.vday.org. I changed the thread title back, although I'll be ornery and put the term in quotes. V-Day, huh? As somebody above said, you learn something every day. Still, I can't quite see what the anti-Catholic bigotry has to do with the issue at hand. I'm one of many Catholics who almost always votes for candidates who happen to be pro-choice. I don't think abortion is a good thing, but I don't think it's appropriate to try to stop it with legislation or police action. Maybe "vagina voters" would be wise not to write off the so-called "Catholic vote." -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:53 PM Fair decision Joe. From one of the legit sites: "The 'V' in V-Day stands for Victory, Valentine and Vagina" Now brucie, I ain't going to say what the "c" stands for. Maybe there is a C-day, but I would prefer not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Amos Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:55 PM LH, You're parsing the phrase wrong. I did too. The collective noun is "vagina voters" (those who are strongly identified with their femininity, I think). Some of these are single, but not all of them. The set of VV's who are single is the crucial population under consideration. See Joe's links for more about the whole V movement. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Mark Cohen Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:58 PM There is no one out there with a double or triple vagina...It does not compute. Not true, LH. Check it out. Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: beardedbruce Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:02 PM "beardedbruce, why not read the opening post to this thread and answer the question for yourself?" It seems to imply women voters, not just single ones. I saw that in the body of the text, there is more reference to single voters, but as a title, the original one seemed ill-defined. Still my opinion, re-reading the first post. "63% of undecided voters, according to a recent TIME poll, are women." "Single women comprise 43% of the U.S. female voting-age population" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Bill D Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:32 PM well, if I were in Joe Offer's place, I might NOT have changed it back. It doesn't have to be **offensive** to be stupid and tasteless. It is perfectly possible to make a point without resorting to shock value. There is a place for almost ANY word in the right context...even in Mudcat, but that particular use of 'vagina' was just plain tacky. Good thing I don't get to vote, huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Peace Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:38 PM Jaysus, Mark. Only on the 'cat would someone actually check that out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Mark Cohen Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:43 PM I already knew the answer, brucie. It's one of those things you learn in medical school. I just wanted to give Little Hawk a reference, since he's generally quite careful with his facts. (Well, except when it comes to Mr. Shatner, that is...and I suppose that could be considered more opinion than fact.) Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Peace Date: 04 Oct 04 - 12:07 AM No, no, no. The Shatner thing is fact. 100%. Shatner is a Canadian icon--at least on the Mudcat. I read about it HERE, on the 'cat. 100%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: katlaughing Date: 04 Oct 04 - 01:55 AM Egg-zak-el-lee, BillD! I echo Joe's "Fuck off," too... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: alanabit Date: 04 Oct 04 - 02:47 AM The most unfortunate thing about the choice of title is that we are now involved in a debate about the semantics of it, rather than the important isssue of how single women will vote. On that issue, the person who started this thread could have expected to find a considerable amount of interest and support here. Why squander that good will with a foolish choice of title? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: open mike Date: 04 Oct 04 - 03:12 AM as for medical terminology, wouldn't the proper plural be uteri! or uterii?! sorry to squander this potential polital thread to be sexual, but as has been said, the politiciansdo to us what is usually described in sexual terms.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Ellenpoly Date: 04 Oct 04 - 04:10 AM I had never heard the term before. It doesn't offend me, but it is a peculiar way to refer to single women, as I don't imagine we'll ever see "Penis Polls" or the like. What strange creatures humans are. ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Jeanie Date: 04 Oct 04 - 04:51 AM The expression "Vagina Vote", and v-day originate from Eve Ensler, and her play "The Vagina Monologues", extremely successful worldwide, including the US and London's West End and featuring many famous and highly respected actresses. this page tells you what the "Vagina Vote" is all about. - jeanie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Oct 04 - 08:00 AM I've heard about people talking out of their arse, but this is ridculous... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: GUEST,The Guest that started it Date: 04 Oct 04 - 08:06 AM "The most unfortunate thing about the choice of title is that we are now involved in a debate about the semantics of it, rather than the important isssue of how single women will vote." Oh come on. It wasn't an unreasonable expectation that adults here would have the knowledge that jeanie above demonstrates about the international campaign for women known as V-Day. Or would have heard or read the term "Vagina Voters" or "Vagina Votes". Or of the play "The Vagina Monologues" which has been on tour nationally in the US this year as part of the "get out the women's vote" campaign to defeat Bush. If it is being discussed this casually in Time magazine, it is certainly in the zeitgeist. What is pathetic is the overly puritanical reaction amongst the mostly male posters to the word in a thread title, and the automatic impulse to censor instead of understand by reading the original post. Or, god forbid, ask about the context, which has been lost by a bunch of Victorian prudes who apparently have been living in caves since the end of the 19th century and resurfaced to join Mudcat. What was of interest in the Time article to me, was not that women in general might decide the election, but that single women who generally don't vote, might decide the election. That would be a first in the US. But I guess when the "V" word is typed, all reason is thrown out the window, and the Mudcat Royals feel perfectly justified in making ad hominem attacks on the messenger, who chose to create a thread with a provocative title to rise above the usual political thread titles in order to generate some new energy and interest in the now very tired discussions between the Berry/Kush camps. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Ellenpoly Date: 04 Oct 04 - 09:05 AM In re-reading this thread, I agree with you that the subject matter is worthy of discussion. But for those of us who didn't recognize the term (now I do realize I'd heard it in The Vagina Monologues) there was bound to be some reaction to it. It's a serious subject that you yourself chose along with a title which could hardly have gone uncommented upon. Pointless to get whiney about it now when people did just that. For any interested, see this website; http://www.vday.org/contents/vday/press/media/0406041 ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: freda underhill Date: 04 Oct 04 - 09:34 AM This whole discussion reminds me of something that happened a couple of decades ago, when i was looking after an art gallery. One of the pieces on show was a sculpture made of a series of rubber female breasts attached to a piece of wood. The sculptor is a man with a PhD in Philosophy, a poet published by an respected international publisher, married to a committed feminist. The sculptor had his own philosphical and artist reasons for creating the piece, a statement on the objectification of women. The man who bought the sculpture, on the other hand, had HIS own reasons, and they were basically to give himself the opportunity to have a good perve at all the breasts. Is it fine for a woman with glasses and some letters after her name to "own" the vagina and make it part of a political statement. Everyone nods earnestly. But when a male subheading editor in Time magazine uses the phrase, woman might feel like theyve been trivialised. For me, its a personal word, no matter how much intellectually I know it should be "okay" for the word to be used or for myself to use it, it is a private word to be used with care. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Ron Davies Date: 04 Oct 04 - 09:58 AM From what I've read and heard, most of the undecided voters are in fact women, as I said earlier in the Kerry Wins First Debate thread. Lots of women are against Bush but needed a reason to vote for Kerry. Kerry came across in the first debate as a credible leader with a coherent plan, and for the first time in the campaign made Bush, not himself the focus. So Kerry helped himself with quite a few of those undecided voters, but probably didn't clinch the sale, since they're waiting to see what he says on domestic issues also, particularly health care,---as opposed to Bush's travesty of reform. To what extent is this an accurate picture of where we stand now? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Peter T. Date: 04 Oct 04 - 10:02 AM While on the subject of semantics, I hardly think "vagina" is a private word -- Latinate, medical. There is an Anglo-Saxonism that has somewhat more private feel, and a few other words I can think of. "Penis" is another somewhat grim word, never did much for me. I have often thought there should be a contest for a couple of better words, the array in English is not very user-friendly. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: freda underhill Date: 04 Oct 04 - 10:05 AM yes, Peter t, but you don't have one... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Ron Davies Date: 04 Oct 04 - 10:09 AM Obviously vagina is a fine word, that nobody should take offense at, especially given plays like "The Vagina Monologues". Now can we get to the actual subject of this absurdly titled thread? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: freda underhill Date: 04 Oct 04 - 10:33 AM Alanabit, you said it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Amos Date: 04 Oct 04 - 10:53 AM PEter T: The world has generated so many terms for these two things/experiences that I don't see how we could expect a contest to improve on the tradition. Probably more words than any other concept in humandom, all languages combined. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 04 Oct 04 - 10:56 AM I've heard of Voting With Your Heart, Guts, Wallet, and Fork, but not with THIS before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Chris Green Date: 04 Oct 04 - 10:58 AM "Jesus, you people are pathetic. This place is SO easily offended by the word "vagina" but sexist joke threads about wives is A-OK." I don't find the term "vagina" offensive in the least. Nor do I find the term "vagina voter" particularly offensive, merely pointless and another example of meaningless buzzwords that currently pollute the English language. Other examples include "collateral damage" (killing civilians) "friendly fire" (killing your own side) "war on terror" (war on selected terrorists, generally of dusky hue, not like those nice lads in Northern Ireland) and WMD (pejorative when applied to Middle Eastern countries, it bcomes the more benign and laudable "nuclear deterrent" when applied to the West). Just because a phrase is printed in the media does not mean that we all have to unthinkingly incorporate it into everyday speech! Whew! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: katlaughing Date: 04 Oct 04 - 11:04 AM But we've tried: What's a salty dog? and....we've visited the V-Monologues before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Amos Date: 04 Oct 04 - 11:05 AM Let us pray that these voters are all sensitive enough to route the present incumbent cad out of orifice and send him on his way. Whatever they should be called. A |
