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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: freda underhill Date: 04 Oct 04 - 11:07 AM Amos, you hit the nail on the head! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Ebbie Date: 04 Oct 04 - 12:21 PM A friend of mine, in Oregon, didn't know she had a double uterus until her first baby was born prematurely, and died. The examination showed that she had two uteruses and just one kidney. Mark Cohen, would that indicate an interrupted, or botched, twinning situation? My friend went on later and bore two healthy children. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: PoppaGator Date: 04 Oct 04 - 01:58 PM I think Joe made a god judgement when he restored the original title and added quotation marks. With the quote marks, it's clear that we're talking about unmarried female voters, not voters with one, and no more than one, female genital organ. As far as the "real" subject of this discussion, it would of course be a good thing to encourage more voting by single women (as well as by single men, and by young people in general). I'd surmise that the smaller percentage of single women than married women among active voters is just part of the overall picture that older people with greater economic commitments are more likely to vote than those who are young and/or unattached. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Bill D Date: 04 Oct 04 - 02:20 PM "I think Joe made a god judgement "...LOL...some typos are just TOO good! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Mrrzy Date: 04 Oct 04 - 03:08 PM I hate to break it to you, but the female equivalent of penis is vulva (visible outer genitalia). Little children know about vulvas and penises from looking around, but have to be taught about vaginas. What miffs me is that the derivation of the word Vagina is Sheath! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 04 Oct 04 - 05:23 PM Hell! at least the original poster used the word "Vagina" :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Don Firth Date: 04 Oct 04 - 07:10 PM ". . . route the present incumbent cad out of orifice. . . ." Well, he does claim to be "born again," so that makes twice. How about on November 2nd we make it a triple? I think the actual "female equivalent of the penis," physiologically speaking, is the clitoris, right, Dr. Mark? Philosophical and philological musings: Ever notice that there are no simple verbs—like infinitives—in the English language to denote sexual intercourse that are not considered obscenities or are otherwise regarded as crude? "To swive" is about the only one I can think of that doesn't make "polite folks" gasp, but that's mainly because it's sort of archaic and most people don't know what you're talking about. Apart from an impending election that may decide the future safety of the world and a volcano in my back yard about to erupt again, it's kind of a slow day here. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Oct 04 - 10:25 PM Well, when I was in the Army, the Men in Charge called women "cunts." When we word dress uniforms, we could often wear what they called a "cunt cap." We were told that the female soldiers were there for our pleasure. I thought this was a demeaning way to talk about women, and I objected and didn't use the word - although I did tell my drill sergeant to "get fucked" once. I'll agree that "vagina" is a more polite word than "cunt." I made us a song with "vagina" and "penis" repeated over and over in it, and had my kids sing it when we did sex education, so they wouldn't be embarrased to use those words. so, so, I see nothing wrong in the word "vagina" itself. But to call a woman a "vagina" isn't a whole lot different from calling her a "cunt." It's saying that the sexual receptacle is all there is to her. And if a woman uses the term, it isn't any better. It's like an African-American calling himself a "nigger." It's self-demeaning. But if it's a term people use, then I guess it's appropriate to use it as a thread title - in quotes. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 04 Oct 04 - 11:05 PM "Cunt Cap - soft hat (officially "Garrison Hat") worn in summer with Class A uniform (from its shape)" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: dianavan Date: 04 Oct 04 - 11:34 PM The quotation marks definitely clarify the matter. Its still very wierd to refer to women as vaginas. I wonder how men would react if I started a thread about single 'penis voters' or single 'testicle voters'? Just because its in the theater doesn't mean its automatically excepted terminology. Nothing to do with being prudish or P.C. Has more to do with appropriate use of language. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Oct 04 - 12:34 AM Man, the things you learn on the Net...double vaginas! And I did misinterpret the wording in the original title. I stand corrected. :-) Single testicle voters are a much discriminated against minority, though, and I think that they deserve the full support of Mudcat Cafe. Vagina. Penis. Vagina. Penis. Not offensive in the least, but of the two words I definitely find "vagina" more agreeable-sounding. "Penis" is a kind of cold-sounding word. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Mark Cohen Date: 05 Oct 04 - 03:04 AM Don: Embryologically, yes. Physiologically, no. Ebbie: I'd need more information in order to say for sure. Little Hawk: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to make this a musical thread: Hitler...has only got one ball Goering...has two but very small Himmler...has something sim'lar And poor old Goebbels has no balls at all Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Ron Davies Date: 05 Oct 04 - 06:12 AM Is this thread really doomed to never deal with the actual topic of the thread---Kerry's chances with women? In Thursday's debate, Kerry was talking about a "diversion" from worthwhile pursuits. He should read this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 05 Oct 04 - 07:40 AM Yes Ron Davies, when people are claiming that the word vagina, when used in the phrase 'vagina voters' as it was coined by feminist groups, are claiming that the word is the equivalent of 'cunt' and their first impulse is to censor, I think you can rest assured we will NEVER discuss the issue. The only discussion will be what the vast majority of posters to this thread perceive as "the naughty, bad word." Like I said, this thread, with these particular participants, is like a bad junior high flashback. We have "grown ups" participating here, not mature, thoughtful adults. Does it surprise you that Mudcatters are so culturally clueless that they go ballistic when they see a feminist use of the word 'vagina' in a political context? I mean, the feminist movement has only been doing this sort of thing for about 30 years or so now. So how could we expect them to know about something like the single vagina voter, just because it is a feminist phrase used to describe a very specific demographic of voter? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Oct 04 - 12:12 PM So, if you really want to discuss the issue of women voters, why start out a thread with a title that's obviously bound to waylay the discussion. The title was manipulative, a self-righteous attempt to prove the thread originator better than those who objected to the title. It's the same tactic the anti-abortion extremists use - they just want to prove themselves superior to others, that others are wrong and they're right. Therefore, they make no attempt to find common terms for communication. If they would work to find common ground, they might make headway and at least reduce the reasons that force women to choose to have abortions - but all they want to do is win. Sand with the issue of women voters. If you really want to discuss the issue, find a commonly acceptable and understandable language for discussion. But that was not the intent of this thread. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Once Famous Date: 05 Oct 04 - 12:20 PM Joe deleted my first post when he was obviously going through his hang-up stage on this thread. So, getting back on topic, what do the lips of these vagina voters say? I didn't know this was going to be such a hairy topic.
I suppose this message could be deleted, but oh, well.... -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Chris Green Date: 05 Oct 04 - 12:21 PM Guest, do you have a name? Or do you merely find it easier to make inflammatory comments under the cloak of anonymity? Chris |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Oct 04 - 12:29 PM Are we supposed to be losing sleep over this? :-) Regarding Kerry's chances with women, I think they are reasonable...but not near as good as Bill Clinton's were. Bush's chances with women are very slim indeed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Once Famous Date: 05 Oct 04 - 04:54 PM Hmmm, Joe. Maybe it was another post. Or 20 others. Who knows? This topic of vaginas sure can get bloody at times, huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 05 Oct 04 - 11:19 PM Isn't the correct term "Vagino-Americans?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Ron Davies Date: 06 Oct 04 - 12:03 AM Hey Martin--be sure to let your wife see what you've written on this thread, OK? It would be interesting to know her reactions to your contributions here. It's always worthwhile having lots of perspectives on an issue, don't you agree? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Mark Cohen Date: 06 Oct 04 - 05:49 AM Joe, at the risk of cudgeling a defunct equine, I disagree with your characterization of the original thread title. I think, as the author said above, it was simply an attempt to create an eye-catching title that would stand out among the dozens of other politically-related threads on the forum. And it looks like it succeeded. (I agree, the words should have been in quotes. But the poster was simply quoting a term that was already in play in public discussion.) Unfortunately, it seems that most people didn't read the initial post at all. It's still an interesting point. Reminds me of the "soccer mom" election...what was that, 1984? 1992? I don't know how the soccer moms voted. But I am encouraged by the fact that voter registration drives are getting an overwhelmingly positive reponse nationwide, especially from young voters, female voters, and voters from lower income levels. Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: GUEST Date: 06 Oct 04 - 09:01 AM Voter registration drives in 1984 and 1988, with Jesse Jackson running, did really well too, but it didn't translate into votes. If Kerry/Edwards truly are going for the vagina voter, I don't think they'll succeed in getting them out to the polls on election day. They are ignoring the issues that are important to that demographic. Many of the single women both sides are supposedly courting, are single mothers. There are a lot of them, and they usually don't vote. They don't vote because neither party represents their interests. You don't hear either party screaming for a national level child care agency, or nationalized child care do you? I have 29 year old niece who will soon be a single mom. Her infant day care will cost $1,200 per month. And she isn't poor, she earns $50,000. But when the cost of child care is that obscene, and she gets no social services from tax dollars as relief, you can easily understand why she votes Republican: they at least keep promising her better and more tax "relief". She can easily ignore the Republicans' anti-feminist demonizing of single mothers if they make it more worth her while financially. Demcrats demonize single mothers as welfare sluts just like the Republicans do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Dave Bryant Date: 06 Oct 04 - 09:44 AM Double Vaginas ? - aren't there enough decisons that a man has to make in this life already ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: mg Date: 06 Oct 04 - 03:51 PM The cost of day care is way too high for many, if not most, working people. However, if someone could charge $1200/month for one infant, and $2400 for two, that is an opportunity for someone. And we should have some sort of socialized day care, utilizing people, who pass all sorts of screening tests, who receive public assistance. Likewise they should be availabe to work in eldercare sitautions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Once Famous Date: 06 Oct 04 - 04:06 PM Ron Davies, my wife supports me completely. Why do you care? Is it really any of your business what she thinks? Does your wife know what you do with that bar of soap in the shower? None of my business either, is it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: GUEST,VV Date: 06 Oct 04 - 05:42 PM Did some surfing and come up with a few descriptions of the single female voter demographic: "At one table, hip young women line up for free manicures -- perfectly polished nails in "peace pink" -- before registering to vote. At another, they're choosing from displays of rose-colored lingerie proclaiming "Give Bush the Pink Slip," or thongs with political slogans too sizzling to make a family newspaper, or upscale silver jewelry with delicate "vote" insignias. And through it all, the frenetic scene at the "Women's Voices, Women Vote" gathering in San Francisco -- which drew hundreds of women to Fort Mason this past week -- provided a preview of what organizers said could well become the hottest trend in election year 2004: passionate efforts by political parties to woo the single girl into the voting booth." --San Francisco Chronicle "First there were the soccer moms who gave Bill Clinton a boost in 1996. Then came the security moms who turned out for the GOP in 2002. This year the most desperately sought female voters don't have a catchy title, but some Democrats are convinced that they could help swing the election. They're America's 46 million unmarried women -- a group that ranges from never-marrieds just out of college to single mothers, middle-aged divorcées, and widows. Despite their differences, these women have two things in common: deep economic insecurity and a tendency to turn out for Democrats when they vote -- by a 30-percentage-point margin in some polls. But turning apathetic unmarrieds into this year's political It Girls will involve one extreme makeover. Single women tend to be poorer, are more likely to be members of a minority, and juggle complicated work and family schedules -- all of which makes it hard to get them to the polls. And politics isn't a big factor in their lives. Participants in Greenberg's focus groups said they have little time to read up on candidates and issues and don't think politicians are likely to improve their circumstances. "Most of these women haven't really fared better under one party than the other," says Susan A. MacManus, a political scientist at the University of South Florida in Tampa." --Business Week "Women have overtaken NASCAR dads and soccer moms as the most sought-after group of potential voters in November's presidential election, representing a potential base of millions of voters looking for change. "We're talking about 22 million women who did not vote in 2000, in a population that voted Democratic by a 30-point margin in 2000, and seems likely from what the polls tell us to do so again in 2004." Likewise, a poll released by the progressive organization EMILY'S List said that women swing voters -- those who don't consistently vote according to party affiliation -- constitute 30 percent of women voters and express greater dissatisfaction with the way things are going than either men or the population at large." --UPI |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Ron Davies Date: 07 Oct 04 - 12:11 AM Martin-- It's just that the more views you can get of a topic, the better. And it's even remotely possible that she does not agree with you on this one. And on this particular issue. pardon me for saying it, but her views might even be more interesting than yours, hard as that might be to imagine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Don Firth Date: 07 Oct 04 - 01:59 PM Marty, you say your wife supports you completely? Which is to say, you don't work, right? I wondered why you have so much time to spend on Mudcat. Now we know. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Once Famous Date: 07 Oct 04 - 04:35 PM Actually Don, you are wrong about that as you are many things. Or you read into most everything incorrectly. My wife and I both make fine livings and live quite comfortably. I don't feel I spend a lot of time here. You do probably because you are so uncomfortable with so much I have to say. that's been quite easy to determine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: dianavan Date: 09 Oct 04 - 06:47 PM I wonder about Martin's wife and her opinions as well. In fact, I was quite blunt about that on another thread. He actually PM'd me and THREATENED to tell Joe which he actually did. Be careful or he might report you and create alot of work for Joe. Martin's a piece of work. I can't even imagine what his family must endure. d P.S. Joe, delete this if you must but also delete every other objectionable remark by Martin, as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Once Famous Date: 10 Oct 04 - 04:50 PM dianavan,some reliable folks here have told me why you are so bitter and so alone in life. Joe Offer deleted your posts like he will do every time you get out of hand. You are being very carefully watched. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:01 PM Martin-- As you may have noticed, you are not immune to having posts deleted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Once Famous Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:13 PM Oh I know that very much, Ron. So what? I may call someone an extremely clever insult, but have never stooped so low to ridicule someone's wife, children, and family if they are identified as anything other than an anonomous Guest. If I have, my apologies. I feel there has to be a line drawn. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Chris Green Date: 11 Oct 04 - 01:02 PM Surely it's possible to have a debate, discussion or even argument about something without resorting to personal attacks? This thread is taking on the aura of a playground. "Well, he started it..." "DID NOT!" "DID TOO!" Yawn.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: dianavan Date: 11 Oct 04 - 02:05 PM Martin - Please accept my apology. I did not intend to ridicule your wife or your kids. In fact, I do not know how you got this idea. If anything, I pity them. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Once Famous Date: 11 Oct 04 - 02:23 PM Apology is certainly not accepted, at least not this moment, because it was completely insincere as per your last three words. That, and the ones that I pointed out your comments to via PM and saw your rant know exactly how I got this idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Chris Green Date: 11 Oct 04 - 03:00 PM Oh, pack it in, for fucks sake! Can't you keep this shit for the PMs? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Once Famous Date: 11 Oct 04 - 03:04 PM For fucks sake? What the fuck? Huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Single 'Vagina Voters' Decide Election? From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Oct 04 - 10:36 PM "I may call someone a very clever insult". Yes indeed. Classic "Martin". Too bad this thread, like so many others, got hijacked. Despite the extremely unfortunate title, it could have been a subject worth discussing. |
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Subject: Penus Pundits want equal Penetration From: Bo Vandenberg Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:20 AM In their driving need for a point of view Penus Pundits seek to be heard. "Vagina Voters may have the real power but that doesnt mean we're all flat." said the man on the street. "Its not that we lack staying power, just that we've already commited all our energies and can't very well turn now." Mayor of Viagra county. Most vagina voters however remain unimpressed: Its not the size of the issues that deter us but the leader's sincerety. We've heard all the bravado before -- its our intelligence and hearts that will determine what we do. |
