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Subject: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 16 Oct 04 - 12:24 PM Happy Ramadan to all our readers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Jim Dixon Date: 16 Oct 04 - 01:44 PM Isn't that sort of like saying "Happy Lent"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: mack/misophist Date: 16 Oct 04 - 02:43 PM Yes, but at sunset you can eat meat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Liz the Squeak Date: 17 Oct 04 - 03:09 AM And let off fireworks, if our area is anything to go by..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: mack/misophist Date: 17 Oct 04 - 10:47 AM Would some one define "mubarak", please? Is it like "mabuhay"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Mrs.Duck Date: 17 Oct 04 - 11:58 AM We ought to wait until the end of Ramadan and then say 'Eid Mubarak' as then the Muslims will break the fast and have a big party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Bert Date: 17 Oct 04 - 10:38 PM Right on there Mrs Duck. I don't know if there is a direct translation of Mubarak, it means something like congratulations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Moses Date: 18 Oct 04 - 08:05 AM As far as I know, during Ramadan, Muslims do not allow anything, including water, to pass their lips during daylight hours. When Ramadan falls in the summer, "breakfast" can be around 3.30am and the next meal (and drink) near 10pm! Exceptions are for children and the sick. Everyone else is expected to observe the rules. Makes giving up sweets for Lent seem a bit tame. I've got a feeling the fireworks are probably to do with the Hindu festival of light (Diwalli - not sure of spelling) which currently falls around the same time as Ramadan. Peace |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Wolfgang Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:45 AM I'm curious, does someone know how Muslims follow the Ramadan fasting rules in those parts of the world where the sun doesn't set(rise) for several weeks or months? Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST,CrazyEddie Date: 19 Oct 04 - 11:25 AM Hi Wolfgang, I asked a Moslem work-mate this some years ago. Apparently, some will follow the "timings" from one of the Holy Cities (Usually Mecca). Some find this unacceptable, and just can't live too far from the equator. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Wolfgang Date: 19 Oct 04 - 12:22 PM Thanks, Crazy Eddie, my guess was that idea with taking the timing from Mecca, but I didn't know that's why I asked. And I'm not going to ask what a Muslim in a space lab would do, I just trust my guess. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Red and White Rabbit Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:03 PM I would guess the fireworks are to do with Diwali rather than ramadan though it may possibly be to do with some oiks of whatever belief deciding that setting them off whenever is fun! During Ramadan good muslims are not allowed to eat between sunrise and sunset and they break their fast usually with dates as the first food. Children and the sick are excluded but many still observe the fast - we have children as young as 5 in our schoool who are fasting! The money that would be spent on food during the day is collected and given to the mosque for distribution to the poor. Eid is a bit like our Xmas with lots of food parties and cards we usually recieve Eid presents and from the moslem staff that work with us If memory serve me correctly it is because Mohammed (PBUH) like Moses had a period of time without food. Fasting at Ramadan is one of the 5 pillars of Islam and you must do it to be considered a good moslem |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: CarolC Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:33 PM So what would be an appropriate way for someone who is not Muslim to convey good wishes to Muslims in the context of their holy season, or is it not something that would be done? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:50 PM How about, "strap on some dynamite, board a bus, say hello to the 70 virgins for me, and by the way, have a happy, happy Ramadan." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 19 Oct 04 - 02:54 PM zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: CarolC Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:11 PM And on what basis, exactly, are we supposed to not see you as a bigot, Martin? Your respect for other people's religions? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:47 PM Hard to respect those that blow themselves up on a bus and cut off prisoner's heads on video in the name of Allah because they just can't seem to get their point across any other way, is it? You obviously respect that, right? and don't give me that shit about that they were driven to it. It's bullshit. I'll respect anyone's religion that doesn't support terrorism through it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: CarolC Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:58 PM Martin, there are many millions of Muslims who do not blow themselves up, and who would never consider doing so, and only a pretty small handful who do. To judge all members of a group based on the actions of only a small number of the group is bigotry. Shall we always judge all of a particular group of people based on the actions of only a few of them? If we do that, no group of people is safe from being judged. To respectfully extend one's good wishes to someone of the Muslim faith in the context of one of their important holy days in no way shows approval for the actions of the most extreme and criminal elements of that group. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:05 PM Maybe true. But I do not see any other group this barbaric in the name of a god. It may be a small portion, but a small portion of millions of them is still well into the thousands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: CarolC Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:56 PM I think there is room for some disagreement in your first sentance of your 19 Oct 04 - 04:05 PM post, and I do disagree with it. But it is no more appropriate for us to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few of their members than it is for us to judge all members of any other group by the actions of a some of their members. And all groups have some members who commit criminal acts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:04 PM Perhaps, but none this stupid, inhumane, or terrorist. Anyway Carol C., have a wonderful Ramadan. Just remember: some out of millions is well into the thousands. That's a lot of bad apples out there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: CarolC Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:14 PM Have a wonderful Ramadan yourself, Martin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:16 PM I won't. I don't give a flying fuck. It's not my religion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Mrs.Duck Date: 19 Oct 04 - 05:44 PM As stated before Ramadan is not a celebration so wait until Eid and then join in the partying (I suspect Martin Gibson won't be invited but then I wouldn't have him at a party of mine either). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: mack/misophist Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:16 PM To change the subject, I think travelers, children, military on active duty are also exempt from the restrictions of Ramadan. Mr Gibson, I don't admire Islam either. Remember, though, that the vast majority of the people who follow it are just people. One of the guys at the corner store is devout. He claims that nothing is mandatory other than the five pillars. I can live with that easily. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Marion Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:36 PM Arabic lesson for the day: "Mubarak" means blessed. "Mabrook" means congratulations. As Mrs. Duck said, you say "Eid Mubarak" (Blessed Feast!) at the end of Ramadan, not during. "Ramadan Mubarak" makes sense as a mid-Ramadan greeting but I can't remember using it. What is said a lot is "Kul sana wa anta tayib" (to a man) or "Kul sana wa anti tayeeba" (to a woman). It means roughly "May you be well every year", and is an all-purpose greeting you can use for any Muslim or Christian holiday or on someone's birthday. Marion (three years of university Arabic and eighteen months living in the Middle East... a long, long time ago.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Red and White Rabbit Date: 20 Oct 04 - 11:14 AM Interesting points of view on the thread. I dont know many of us that support terrorism Dont believe I support the 'holy war' in Ireland either. Its not my religion either but then nor is Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc etc. but I do work with a lot of Moslems who are equally outraged at the atrocities in Iraq done in the name of Islam. Islam preaches peace and care for others a bit like Christianity does. Unfortuantely a few bad apples do spoil the barrel - whichever barrel you might be looking in and I am afraid this is what breed bigotry and racism. Its a shame people from what ever religion cannot practice what they preach. No deaths caused in the name of religion can be good. On a nicer note happy Diwali for this weekend, happy halloween for all pagans and witches amongst us Happy Eid for November 15th 16th Happy Thanksgiving for whatever date in Novemeber that is and Happy St Nicolas Day etc etc etc etc Sorry to anyone I have forgotten |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 20 Oct 04 - 11:19 AM They may be outraged, but they are not speaking out, in fear of their own lives. Again, I'll say that the "few bad apples" concept is ridiculously misleading. A few bad apples when you have millions obviously equate to tens of thousands bad apples. If there were 100 million Muslimes and I suspect that is on the low side, a 5% bad apple ratio still equates to 5 Million bad apples. Bad and rotten, in the name of Allah. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:07 PM Interesting point, Martin. Don't get me wrong here - I'm not disagreeing (oddly enough!) because terrorism is so wrong in so many ways that anyone who supports it must indeed be a fool! Extrapolating your example of 5% bad apples. As at 07/01/05 we had a world population of 6,446,131,400. That means that, in the world, there are 322,306,570 bad apples! Of the 2 billion Chistians we have 100 million bad apples. Your estimate of Islam was indeed low. Of the 1.3 billion there are 65 million fast becoming cider. Amongst the 900 million Hindus there are 45 million with maggots! Of the 14 Million Jews we have a total soggy count of a mere 700K! I have said before and I will say it again. There are good and bad people of all faiths, colours and nationalities. It is very unfortunate that the bad 'uns so often are the leaders and the most outspoken:-( This does seem to be the case with Islam at the moment but is it realy or is it our western media propaganda machine working particularly well? I suspect the latter but do not really know:-( One thing that the statistics could be used to show though - The bad apples bowing to Allah outnumber the ones wailing to Yahweh by almost 100 to one! I wonder why they keep saying they need to use terrorist tactics because they are in a minority... (OK, OK, I know in Palestine it may be different but surely we are a global village now!) Here's another interesting (to me anyway!) statistic about the world major religion figures. Christiaity, just past the 2k mark in years, has 2 Billion followers, or 1 billion per thousand years. Islam has 1.3 billion followers in year 1420, or just over 900 Million per thousand years. Is this because Christianity is more popular or because the Christian missionaries were more effective? Other religions? I dunno! Phew! I have given you some figures - work out the rest for yourself:-) Anyhow, Happy whatever you are celebrating to all peaceful people of all races, colours and creeds. But only if you want it to be happy;-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Wolfgang Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:36 PM How do the Egyptians call a cowshed? Mubarak (Mu is pronounced Moo in German) is a very unPC German joke about the president of Egypt. One of a long series of jokes about foreign politicians with suitable names. (I could also tell you what we made out of 'Kennedy' which is pronounced exactly as a Bavarian would say: 'I know you' in German, but that would go too far in this peaceful thread) Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:54 PM Dave the Gnome, glad I got some thinking juices churning. I figured that I was way off on my Muslim count. But maybe i was off or low also on my 5% bad apple count. What if it's 10, 20, or even 50 %? Staggering. Our meager 14 million, of which there for sure are some bad apples, though I wouldn't say anywhere near 5%, don't make headlines by blowing ourselves up, cutting off our enemy's heads, and live for the most part in an educated, civil lifestyle, has to make one wonder why, as a people, we are so successful, when we are so few. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: CarolC Date: 20 Oct 04 - 01:32 PM Where does this 5% guestimate of "bad apples" amongst Muslims come from? Did you just make it up off the top of your head? If you're going to get all scientific and numerical, you need to be working with some legitimate numbers. My guess would be closer to .001%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Lepus Rex Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:09 PM Still a racist, eh, Martin? ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:46 PM I dunno, Carol. Perhaps Martin is way off but 1 in 20 may not be too far out for any societies 'Bad Apple Count'. Just off the top of my head I can think of around 20 people I know realy well. There are many others that I know of course but nowhere near as well as these 20. OK so far? Out of the 20 I can think of 10 who would give me or anyone the shirt off their back at the drop of a hat. Of the remaining 10 perhaps 6 or 7 would do the same if push came to shove. The remainder has at least one seriously disturbed racist, one with known criminal tendancies and one who would support one of the others regardless of what they had done! Needless to say I now try to avoid these latter ones but they were friends at one time. So, out of this small sample there is 15% who may be termed 'Bad Apples':-( There is, of course, no justification for racism or terrorism and I do think Martins reasoning gets a little flawed when tarring all Muslems with the same brush. I know he would not like it if I said all people in Chicago are drunken beggars because some of the people I spoke to in Chicago were drunkards, drug addicts and begging for money on the street! No more than, based on my experience above, I would like anyone to say my circle of friends are all criminals and racists, even though 15% of them may well be! The only way forward on this is for everyone to forget what they 'know' about other people and go and find out the truth for themselves. I am often guilty of stereotyping others myself (just because I know all Yorkshiremen are tight gits...;-) ) but stereotyping can become very dangerous indeed. Anyone who really belives all Muslems are terrorists would do well to study the rise of the New Socialist Party in 1930s Europe. They told their followers that all Jews were scheming, money grabbers out to topple the governments of the day. There may well have been 5% of the Jewish population who were 'Bad Apples'. But look what then happened to the other 95%... It may seem like I am arguing against myself here or being contrary for 'effect'. I am not, honestly! While I do not think Martin is right with some of his comments and conclusions I cannot honestly say he is wrong about a 5% BA Count. What people do about that count in ALL societies is the important bit. I choose to ignore it and concentrate on the 95% full of vitamins, good for your teeth ones. If everyone did the same we may eventualy see a change in the world:-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 20 Oct 04 - 04:05 PM Your guess is way off Carol C. .001 is an even more worthless guess. Lepus Rex, I understand that with your bald head that if you put a little circle in the center at the top you would totally look like the prick everyone knows you are. Lepus, you suck pus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Oct 04 - 05:40 PM Sorry - on re-reading about 'choosing to ignore the bad ones' it sounds like I meant ignore the terrorists etc. I don't. I mean ignore them in your views of the race/creed/nation as a whole. They may be many, as Martin suggests, but they are still a small part of the whole. Deal with them in your own way but don't for heavens sake treat all the people of a particular type as thugs just because a few are. Following that through to its logical conclusion we can only decide that because a small portion of the human race are bad we need to wipe out the lot:-( Or just because a small portion of Martins posts are a little insulting he isn't realy a nice guy? ;-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 20 Oct 04 - 05:43 PM For sure, Dave. There are those that squirm on the sidewalk after a rainstorm (worms) and there are those that squirm at Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: CarolC Date: 20 Oct 04 - 09:51 PM If five percent of all Muslims wanted all Jews dead, all Jews would already be dead. You're just making stuff up to suit your prejudices, Martin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Lepus Rex Date: 20 Oct 04 - 09:53 PM Interesting, Hate-Dreidel. You enjoy imagining me as a giant penis. Yes, VERY interesting. But "bald" isn't a very effective insult, Martine. It's true. But it's nothing I am (or should be) ashamed of. You, however, do seem to be (and should be) ashamed of being a racist, a misogynist, and (tellingly) a homophobe. Why else would you be so defensive when people point this out? I mean, is this what your parents dreamed you'd amount to? Would they be proud that you've become some wizened, elderly troll spewing vulgarities and bizzaro-Nazi style ravings on an online forum? And does your wife know she's married to a racist? If so, is she proud? Seriously, why don't you get up from your crusty office chair, leave your ugly suburban box, drive into the city, and actually meet some Muslims? ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 20 Oct 04 - 09:56 PM Probaably at least 5% of all the hillbilly KKK in ol' rural Alabamy want us Jew boys dead, eh CarolC? I believe more than 5% ofg all Muslims want the Jews dead,CarolC. Jews compared to Muslims is like a matchbook on a football field. Trouble for them is, we have better weapons, education, organized Israeli military than they do. You don't hear the Jews calling them infidels. But go ahead, CarolC, stick up for all of your poor, peaceful, Arab friends. Obviously they are not all terrorists, but somewhere they have a cousin named Mohammad who probably is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: CarolC Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:05 PM Probaably at least 5% of all the hillbilly KKK in ol' rural Alabamy want us Jew boys dead, eh CarolC? You would know better than me, Martin. BTW, not all Muslims are Arabs. Not all Arabs are Muslims. Some Arabs are Jewish. People are people, Martin. Nobody's any better than anybody else. Get over it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:25 PM Lupus Rex, you are likea pus pimple squirting on a mirror. If you want to bring wives into it, fine, you started it. Yours has a vagina as rancid as your breath. If you want to bring parents into it, the best part of you is in your father's condom and crusted. If you want to bring where I work into into it, I do work with some Muslims. They should bathe a little more frequently, otherwise they are not bad people. But I've never met their friends. You're the one who looks like a bald nazi skinhead LooPUS REX the wonderhorse. Your Jew hating reputation is well known everywhere on this forum. I forgot. You need a couple of rubber bands around your ears to complete the penis costume, you moron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Lepus Rex Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:40 PM As usual, simple vulgarity and baseless claims. (And more obsessive talk of me as a giant penis. Hmmmm...) How am I a "Jew hat(er)," again? Yeah, didn't think so. Nice try, racist. You didn't even attempt to deny my claims. Hell, you couldn't even respond without yet another racist slur. You're priceless. :) (And, just for the record, I didn't bring where you work into it... I'd assumed you were long retired. The "ugly suburban box" is your home, Martin.) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:44 PM No pus face. I work and make a good living. Have a big house with a mortgage and kids in college. Have some great guitars, also. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Lepus Rex Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:50 PM I'm sure your ugly suburban box is huge, Martin. Sorry. But the kids, Martin: Do they know that you're a racist? Surely, being educated people, they would disapprove? ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 21 Oct 04 - 09:49 AM Martin gibson-you are a rubbish person, and i hope your head falls off. and i bet you don't live in a big house, i reckon you live in a dustbin, and your guitar is rubbish and falling to bits. ps=I know well over 100 muslims and none of them are terrorists, in the company i work at, i am the only non muslim person. ps=any UK people can see about islam on Sky Digital telly, its channel 836. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST,PP Date: 21 Oct 04 - 10:55 AM Agreed, Gibson is a waste of space. How about this for a statistic; 5% of earthlings are arseholes. Gibson you've just been appointed their chairman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST,Robert Date: 21 Oct 04 - 11:29 AM Gibson you are one sick sad bastard I feel sorry for your family - if in fact you have one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 21 Oct 04 - 11:40 AM Of course he doesn't He brags about what he wishes he had. The clues are out there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Moses Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:55 AM I thought this thread was about how to wish people a happy Eid or to greet them in a warm and friendly manner during Ramadan. How has it degenerated into a slanging match? Can't we all learn something from what's happening in the world and apply it to our own behaviour? Keep taking the tablets! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 22 Oct 04 - 08:27 AM "I thought this thread was about how to wish people a happy Eid or to greet them in a warm and friendly manner during Ramadan." Moses, so did I BUT then along came a certain individual racist "M Gibson" and it was all down hill from there, in line with his total lifestyle of sick behavior |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 22 Oct 04 - 08:29 AM Stop catching his grenades when he throws them and the sick bastard will piss off |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST,bones Date: 22 Oct 04 - 09:52 AM I wish Martin and Carol would just fuck and get it over with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 22 Oct 04 - 10:03 AM Does anyone know that Liberace had a metal cock and paid for his boyfriend to have plastic surgery to make him look like Liberace. Thats the kind a shit that keeps me worried at night, not the inane rants of limp wristed liberals and their Neo-Jewish-Nazi lovers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:05 AM OK, call me a racist if I say in 2004 that Muslims today are best known for being terrorists. I don't care if you can't deal with that fact or what kind of house you think I live in. I do care though when you say I should fuck CarolC because I do not have any interest in doing so. the largest bigotry on Mudcat comes from the big group of Jew haters here, especially the ones from Britain where anti-semitism keeps growing. I'm not going to "piss off" but I will continue to drive some of you moronic Jew haters crazy out there by continuing to tell it how it is and make you squirm until you make peepee in your pants. The biggest terrorists known today are Moslems. Deal with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:17 AM so Mr. Gibson who are the smallest terrorists known today then, The muslims wont be very big a the moment surely as they are fasting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:23 AM Is that true about liberace, my god, brings a whole new meaning to "go fuck yourself" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Dave the Gnome Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:30 AM from Britain where anti-semitism keeps growing That got me worried so I looked it up and it is, according to the BBC, unfortunately, right:-( It isn't just Britain either it is Europe and the US. One thing from the story I read - The bastards arn't just anti-semitic, they seem to be anti-anyone who ain't like them. So it's not personal, Martin. Sad, sad world... DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:35 AM Yeah, he had a small metal rod put in his man-snake to enable to keep it up in his twilight years. Must have turned his lovers anus into mush. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 22 Oct 04 - 12:17 PM They may be fasting, but they are still farting. so Guest, how come you won't face me with your regular posting name? Scared? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: CarolC Date: 22 Oct 04 - 12:47 PM I've noticed that when threads are posted to wish people of other religions, including the Jewish religion, greetings on their holidays, they are able to do it without encountering the kind of hate that has been brought to this thread by Martin and some guests. The fastest growing form of racism and/or bigotry in the US, and probably the UK, and certainly here in the Mudcat, is racism and/or bigotry against Muslims and Arabs. And the really sad part is that we all know that racism and/or bigotry against Jews is wrong. But many people seem to think that racism and/or bigotry against Muslims and Arabs is perfectly ok. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 22 Oct 04 - 03:19 PM Was he able to, you know, ejaculate from his metal chap? I just can't see how that would work |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 22 Oct 04 - 03:30 PM I'm not sure. Not well versed in the nature of prosphetic limbs, phallic or otherwise. Though I did read in the telegraph though a few years back, an article called "the life and times of Liberace" where it stated taht once a week he had to smear a pipe cleaner with jif and insert into the penis hole to keep it well oiled. Other than that I have no other knowledge on Liberace's metallic winky. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Jack the Sailor Date: 22 Oct 04 - 04:08 PM Gibson, You are a racist and a pig. GUEST,Bones You are a pig. Go root in your own feces and stop spreading it around here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 22 Oct 04 - 04:18 PM Jack, you're a Jew hater. the biggest one on this board with perhaps the exception of LuPUS (the pimple) Rex. don't worry, I would never consider what Guest, Bones suggested. I wouldn't want to find your residue from 8 weeks ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: CarolC Date: 22 Oct 04 - 04:27 PM Martin, you call everyone who finds your posts objectionable a Jew hater. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Jack the Sailor Date: 22 Oct 04 - 04:34 PM "don't worry, I would never consider what Guest, Bones suggested." Martin Gibson, Don't worry, yourself. You wouldn't survive long enough, to do it if you wanted to. I'm pretty pissed at you for publicly considering it. You have zero class. You are far and away the rudest person of hundreds I have met online. You are an attention starved cowardly child. I'm not a Jew hater, but I am rapidly becoming a you hater. I don't consider you to be any way representitive of your race, religion or for that matter your home city or state. That would be bigoted. Normally I don't explain bigotry to people but it is plain that you either think it is a good thing or you don't know what it is. You are a pig. Go ahead pig, have the last word. Maybe someone will give you the attention you whine for and pine for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 22 Oct 04 - 04:59 PM Jack, I never suggested considering anything with your wife. guest, bones did. I have standards. I'm more interested in pretty Moslim women, maybe like one of those 40 virgins the ones you sympathise with get to meet when they blow themselves up in the name of allah. And Jack, I don't consider you the typical representative of a guy who lives in a trailer. You've never indicated to me that you own all of Reba McIntyre's albums. You just love to dish it out but you whine like a little girl when someone dishes it right back. Isn't time you ate some possum and grits or something? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST,Joe Offer, on the road Date: 22 Oct 04 - 10:57 PM Somebody called my attention to this thread. It started off as a nice thread, and then was hijacked by you-know-who. I don't really know what to do with it, since the racist horseshit is so tightly interwoven with some thoughtful comments. It would be nice if people would just refuse to respond to trolls, but that seems to happen rarely around here. There's always some Mudcatter who will take the bait. I've been driving through the Bible Belt this week, passing dozens of churches with pithy sayings on their signboards by the road. One said, "The greatest act of courage is to ignore an insult." Makes sense. Anyhow, I guess I'll leave this thread unedited, for now. Please note that Mudcat does not "tolerate" this sort of racism - we just sometimes don't know what to do with it. Martin, those are people you're making those remarks about, people with kids and homes and moral values and all that good stuff that good people have. Certainly, some Muslims are terrorists. So are some Republicans. So, cut out the racism. It's not cute. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Red and White Rabbit Date: 23 Oct 04 - 03:14 AM I dont know any of the people involved in this thread personally - possibly have met JOhn from Hull who started the thread at Beverley or the like so when it started to 'turn' into a slanging match I thought maybe it was mates having a go for fun. I have done this on many another thread - Joe obviously from what you have said this is not the case. It saddens me that people whose religions share the same prophets( Jew , Chistian and Moslem) cannot find good things to talk about or to put their points over without personal base abuse. No wonder people say never talk about religion or politics and no wonder the centuries have seen these three major religions being the cause of many a violent outburst - whether that being a holy war or a terroist act. Jews have persecuted christians and moslems, Christians have persecuted Moslems and Jews and Moslems jews and Christians. And a lot of other religions have joined in this religious intolerance over the centuries. In my book that makes them all as bad as one another but Martin you are right in the fact that at this moment in time, because of the coverage in the news a lot of people do regard all Moslems as terrorists I am just glad that I know people from all these religions and others and know that you cant tar everyone with the same brush! by the way - the bad apple scale was very interesting. its a bit like lies damned lies and statistics - the more you have the bigger number 'a few' means but they are still just 'a few. Its the half full half empty syndrome - if 5% are bad then 95% are good! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 23 Oct 04 - 04:29 AM Well if you do find anything esle about Liberace, let me know. Cheers, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Mrs.Duck Date: 23 Oct 04 - 06:11 AM Well said Sue. I never judge anyone according race, colour or creed but loathe and detest bigots! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: dianavan Date: 23 Oct 04 - 04:59 PM I always thought that Islam was the most widespread religion. Seems that Christianity is at 33% and Islam is at 20%. Christianity is, however, dropping and Islam is rising. Hmmmm... So if we are talking about democracy and the New World Order why is America trying to liberate the Middle East? Seems that in a democracy, the majority of the people in the Middle East would want Muslim leaders not an invasive Christian Army. And Martin - If we're talking about Democracy, where does Israel stand in the New World Order? I'd think that Israel would want to get back to the negotiating table real quick. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 24 Oct 04 - 12:19 PM Gee dianavan, spoken with some true anti-semitic undertones. I don't speak for Israel, so why do you ask me? My guess is that Israel does not negotiate with terrorists. Joe Offer, there has been numerous anti-semitism comments here on this forum. Many of them have been more than tolerated. BTW, is Islam a race? Or perhaps a way of life that has been hijacked by terrorism?
And we don't like your brand of racism, either, Martin. You can do better. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Lepus Rex Date: 24 Oct 04 - 02:01 PM You're right, Martin: One can find tons, TONS, of anti-Judaic (screw that imprecise "anti-Semitism") comments here on this forum. But only if, like you, one considers any criticism of Israel to be "anti-Semitic." Needless to say, that's ridiculous. Criticising the actions of a state (or, in my case, opposing the existence of a state) isn't the same thing as hating the people of that state. It's not racist, not anti-Judaic. I challenge you to find even one statement by an Israel critic on Mudcat that expresses hatred for Jews. Try. Yeah, then you'll say "But, but Alan Dershowitz says so in his very popular book! And he's RICH, and lives in a big house in the suburbs!!! How much do YOU make, LePus Rex the Wonderhorse? Also, THE HOLOCAUST!!!" Follow it up with a reference or twelve to anuses, and that'll be it, your argument. Wow. Your comments about Arabs and Muslims, on the other hand, are completely fucking racist. You compare them to vermin, call them dirty, towel-heads, and worse. Look at this thread, which jOhn intended to be a friendly "seasons greetings" to Muslims. It was that, as well as an interesting discussion of Ramadan traditions, until you chimed in with "How about, 'strap on some dynamite, board a bus, say hello to the 70 virgins for me, and by the way, have a happy, happy Ramadan.'" And you're not a bigot? What would you say if someone ruined a "Have a Nice Passover" thread with a post that read "How about, 'go pretend the Holocaust actually happened, snort up the life savings of a good Christian family with your big nose, say hello to seven Jew bankers for me, and by the way, have a happy, happy Passover.'" Would that be racist? Duh. Predictably, when people rightly call you a "racist" or a "bigot," you moderate your message, as if unaware that your previous statements are still available to read, and claim you're being persecuted by the "politically correct" "Jew haters" for "telling it like it is." Which is the universal lament of the mainstream racist. Replace "PC Jew haters" with "PC Nigger lovers," and *poof*, you're a neo-Nazi. It is good to see you've finally learned to spell "semitism," though. And you're welcome for the spelling lessons. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 24 Oct 04 - 05:35 PM LePUS (the Pimple) Rex I reiterate. You are well known as one of biggest Jew haters here. You hypocrite Nazi. Yes, I'll take Alan Dershowitz's educated wisdom to your peon and stupidly hippie philosophy any time over yours. You show your true moronic colors when you knock his big house in the suburbs. So fucking what! People earn money. You resent that because you don't have the smarts or the personality to. So you knock intelligent, educated people who live in the suburbs because you are obviously a loser in life. You don't have to be a bigot to see his story of The Case For Israel. I say that you are a bigot, Rex. A Jew hating bigot whom I would call the police on if I saw in my neighborhood because you have such an aura of hate around you. What a stereotypying moron you are to say that people who are rich, have a big house in the suburbs are racists. You say your anti-Jewish remarks so easily and so well, I am most certain that they roll off your forked and shit-breathed tonque so easily. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: dianavan Date: 24 Oct 04 - 06:16 PM I didn't know rich people lived in the suburbs. I thought the people that lived in suburbs were middle-class. I know so little about the suburbs because I've never lived there. I thought rich people lived in penthouses, chalets and island estates. Why would rich people want to live in the suburbs? d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 24 Oct 04 - 06:22 PM You obviously don't know much except how to [post the same thing two times in a row. Get a grip. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Lepus Rex Date: 24 Oct 04 - 08:10 PM Dude, what am I, fucking Karnak or what? Even an indirect anal reference. Perfect, Martin. Perfect. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 24 Oct 04 - 09:07 PM That popping sound you hear LuPUS (the pimple) Rex is your head coming out of your own ass. You aren't Karnak. You are just slime in a condom. Every reference toward you warrants a rectal remark. It's just what I most identify you with. So easy. It's just so easy to yank your chain, laugh, and watch you come back for more. Your boyfriends love you, I'm sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Lepus Rex Date: 24 Oct 04 - 09:37 PM Well, it's not just me, Martin. Every other post by you... Dick, asshole, dick, asshole. Vaginas are mentioned, on occasion, but only as something filthy and diseased. You seem especially fond of the "popping" noise an object makes, apparently, when being removed from an anus: 1. 2. 3. 4. And, of course, 5. And, dude, I'm totally not judging you. It's just... All this anal/cock stuff seems incongruous with what seems to be your rabid homophobia. What is it again they say about homophobes? ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Oct 04 - 09:45 PM Martin Do you work for the propaganda wing of Hamas? LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 24 Oct 04 - 11:00 PM No, Jack. But I'm quite sure that you send Hamas money. Obviously LuPUS (the pimple) Rex it has nothing to do with any homophobic. It's just that it's so easy to identify you with everything raunchy, and everything so ignorant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 25 Oct 04 - 11:10 AM Martin Gibson what happened in your early life to make you so venomous and hateful towards the rest of you world. Some people have a chip on their shoulder, you have a wagon load on each. You really do have a major problem you need help with. Why continue to try and cause ill-feeling with the diatribe you come out with, not that that seems to bother you. A normal person would not use such vile language when attempting to communicate with others, seek help and do yourself a favour. Derogatory and filthy remarks you frequently make about women why? what have they ever done to you, seek help before it is to late. Try and reply without an outburst of obscenities, its very monotonous and only goes to prove your problem is getting worse - get help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 25 Oct 04 - 03:18 PM Guest, how about this reply: go fuck yourself. man or woman. If you notice, it's only directed at the leading purveyors of bullshit on this forum whether they be man or woman. Others I get along with just fine. Deal with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 25 Oct 04 - 05:41 PM MG "Others I get along with just fine" in your dreams - you've just taken another turn for the worst. No good looking for support now from the people you have bullied and ridiculed they are not interested. Get help and you deal with it on your lonely pathetic road. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Once Famous Date: 25 Oct 04 - 05:51 PM Bite me, Guest I have as many friends here as I care to have and really, this is just kind of a supplemental thing anyway. sort of an Entertainment Tonight type of thing. sorry it's so important to you. I crossed your phony type off my list a long time ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: GUEST Date: 25 Oct 04 - 06:06 PM MG - Up your medication and try and get some sleep - you mentioned the word sorry, since when was that in your dictionary, you dont know the meaning of the word. Dont bother replying we'll have heard it all before - yawn yawn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ramadan Mubarak From: Ron Davies Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:54 PM Just stumbled across this--couldn't imagine how a thread about Ramadan could be controversial and that's the only way a thread grows fast. But then I saw the magic name---all was clear. Martin---- You have causes. Don't you realize that vicious, stupidly vulgar attacks may not be the best way to win friends for your causes?
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