Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 09 Jan 05 - 12:33 PM "It is easier for the woman to have her tubes tied." That has to come from a man!!! And it definately didn't come from a surgeon! Tubal ligation/severance always involves a general anaesthetic and usually an overnight stay in hospital. It takes several hours to perform, and is not reversable. It has a recovery period considerably longer than a vasectomy, is considered major surgery and is not even remotely funny. You cannot get up and walk home, in fact, you can barely walk after 2 days. Then there's the 6 week wait to see if anything else has been affected by mistake, whilst refraining from any sexual activity (although, if you're anything like me, it's so tender and bruised, even wearing knickers hurts) until it's all checked out. Been there, done that, got the scars (3 of them) to prove it. There was even a suspicion of a fist mark on my chest...... LTS |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST Date: 09 Jan 05 - 12:42 PM so a lot to be said for modern safe practical and convenient coils then |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST Date: 09 Jan 05 - 01:13 PM would these be the same safe coils that gave my wife pelvic inflamatory disease and damn near killed her? |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Mr Red Date: 09 Jan 05 - 05:34 PM gargoyle Where do you get your information from? It ain't automatically true. A guy who looses ambition looses that nervouse energy that burns the calories that piles on the fat. I think you have lost sight of the order of life. Chicken, egg or sperm? Ask most women and they will tell you the man comes first! |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 09 Jan 05 - 05:44 PM Every method has its drawbacks.... every person has to make their own decisions. If you don't want to have children yet or again, then you need to make your own arrangements. Discuss it with your partner and come to a mutually agreeable solution. LTS |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:24 PM QUOTE: "would these be the same safe coils that gave my wife pelvic inflamatory disease and damn near killed her?" most probably NOT.. most probably DEFINITELY NOT this is 2005 now QUOTE: "yeah.. but for every unfortunate scare story about the coil.. how many satisfied users are there..????" .. there are other sensible options available than voluntary permanent surgical mutilation |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:41 PM I'm SO glad that they've been improvred since 2002 when my wife was hospitalized 4 days with PID. |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:58 PM thats good then .. i'm glad you're glad.. sad you and your wife had such a bad experience with the coil so recently.. releived MOST coil users dont. and very happy that the coil has been the best choice for us for the last decade gets a bit confusing these GUEST to GUEST dialogues ?? |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST,Scoville Date: 09 Jan 05 - 11:21 PM I don't understand why GUEST is arguing so strenuously. Obviously, it's not for him/her. It might not be for me, either; I don't know, I'm not to the point in my life where I might want to decide. I certainly don't consider it mutilation (I find it hard to believe that it's really any harder on the body than ingesting hormones long-term or inserting foreign objects into the necessary orifices). To each his or her own. |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Peace Date: 10 Jan 05 - 12:31 AM Some people seem to be likening the procedure--the severence of the vas deferens--to castration (the removal of the testes). No, no: different thing altogether. (The symptoms describe by Garg above in his 'little type' are those of someone who has had the testicles removed.) Also, an ovar-hysterectomy is not a simple procedure. It is major surgery and it can be dangerous for the woman. There is risk of excessive bleeding; DVT (deep venous thrombosis--clot that breaks away and get's to the lungs causing a pulmonary embolism) after the operation; infection; accidental cuts that cause cronic discomfort after they heal; hazards associated with any general anesthetic. |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Kim C Date: 10 Jan 05 - 10:48 AM I been on the pill for nearly all my adult life and never had a problem with it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Hand-Pulled Boy Date: 10 Jan 05 - 11:15 AM Is a man's lust reduced? |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST,Scoville Date: 10 Jan 05 - 12:52 PM H-P B: It shouldn't be. It doesn't involve any hormone-secreting apparatus (unlike castration, obviously), it just interrupts the pathway for sperm. I never had any problems with the pill, either, but of course everyone is different. I would, however, like for the medical powers-that-be to decide if hormones are safe or not and get back to us all on that. |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST,kate wilson Date: 10 Jan 05 - 01:50 PM The pill's a funny one - I was on it for a while, found it killed the sex drive stone dead and made me throw up in the mornings... An in-law of mine has a story about one of the more unusual advantages to having a vasectomy - when some woman turns up on your doorstep with a baby she claims is your husband's, the pair of you get to laugh in her face... |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 10 Jan 05 - 03:58 PM I hated using the pill... it kept falling out. LTS |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 10 Jan 05 - 04:34 PM Look, Raptor, just get the whole works cut off, and you'll have nothing to worry about ever again! Ook! Ook! - Chongo |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Peace Date: 10 Jan 05 - 04:56 PM They'd need a chainsaw to get that done. (Jus' stickin' up fer ya, Raptor.) |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: JennieG Date: 10 Jan 05 - 08:00 PM My husband had a vasectomy after we had two children, and he was in his mid 30s at the time. The obstetrician/gynaecologist who delivered (he didn't really, he was a bit late) our second son said that although he could do a tubal ligation on me it was much quicker, easier and safer if my husband chose to have the procedure instead. So we did, it was early 1981 from memory. It never caused any problems with our sex life as far as I could tell! Cheers JennieG |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST,Dick and the swingers Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:04 PM My mate used to work as a circumcisionist; but yesterday - whilst holding the scalpel he slipped - and got the sac. He now does vasectomies for a living - he says it's ok - but he doesen't get the tips any more. Sorry for all that Bo**ocks! |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST,Seaking Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:22 PM And then there was the old one about the Irish woman who took two pills - to be sure,to be sure... |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Mr Red Date: 11 Jan 05 - 04:06 PM Liked the comment "he must be nuts" - yea and he will still have them for aesthetic purposes. All I can say is that it doesn't affect desire, ambition or pleasure. It takes a neurotic wife to do that and I would advise against one of them. A friend tells me............... |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST,Harmoni Date: 11 Jan 05 - 06:14 PM Both operations (vasectomy and tubal ligation) are reversible. With tubal ligation it depends on how the tubes are "tied"--if they're cauterized (like I had done) then it's much more difficult to get that procedure reversed because of the amount of scar tissue that develops as a result. If the tubes are stapled however, the procedure is easier; some scar tissue is present but far less than if they're cauterized. Tubal ligation is also more complicated; general anesthetic, I couldn't walk down the hallway with out being helped for 2 days, was off work for 3 days and had a swollen abdomen for at least a week. The upside of this however, is worry-free bedroom festivities with my beloved! Complications are rare for both operations but of course...we always hear about the operations that went bad, right? Do your research, go to a doctor that is well recommended, donate some sperm if there's a concern about fathering some youngins later on in life, but do what is right for YOU. |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: GUEST,Bruce M. Baillie Date: 12 Jan 05 - 11:50 AM ...I'd just like to mention vasectomy is not irreversible, I had one in 1983, ended up divorced, and had three operations to get mine in working fettle once more when my present wife and I got together. I can honestly say now that when my second family was born I made a RIGHT BOLLOCK of it! (The left ones not working you see!) |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Hand-Pulled Boy Date: 12 Jan 05 - 02:06 PM Interfering with nature is a risky business. It ruined Hitler. |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Jan 05 - 03:18 PM Only a few things are irreversible. Like stupidity. |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 13 Jan 05 - 01:40 PM I've just been told that I was using the pill incorrectly... I was supposed to hold it between my knees! LTS |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Hand-Pulled Boy Date: 13 Jan 05 - 02:55 PM |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: Jim McLean Date: 13 Jan 05 - 05:11 PM There's a joke there somewhere about a stop-cock. |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: michaelr Date: 13 Jan 05 - 08:39 PM Guys: There is a vas deferens between having sex and fathering children. Do what I did: convinve her to get her tubes tied. Cheers, Michael |
Subject: RE: BS: Vasectomy or not? From: dianavan Date: 13 Jan 05 - 09:46 PM Raptor - It is a personal decision but don't forget to consult your wife. She might leave you if she changes her mind and decides she wants another child. The best advice I heard so far was to store some sperm - just in case. |