BS: Buy Blue?

Subject: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff wdyat12
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:15 PM

What would you do if you never ate at Wendy's again? What would you do if you never shopped at Walmart again? Are you ready to Buy Blue?
buyblue.org has a list of companies to avoid because they fund the Fascist Republican Regime.

wdyat12

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:18 PM

Fuck 'em.

I'll spend my money where I want.

I might even spend more there to show support against a doper left wing political agenda that is out to destroy America.

You spend yours where you want, OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:22 PM

Peter ? What's up bud ? Are you repenting and doing penance because of the time you spent building warships ? Have you found... uh... the light ?

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff wdyat12
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:22 PM

Martin,

You should go to the site anyway and find all the red companies to buy from so you can do some real damage.

wdyat12

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:30 PM

gnu,

I am much more focused now on the real immminent danger.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:31 PM

Like I said, I'll spend my money that I earn with who I feel gives me the best value, regardless of politics.

It is none of yours or anybody elses business to tell them where to or where not to spend their money. It just makes you look like the political doper that you are.

I assure you. Things like this have zero impact. Agendas like yours have very little if any impact. All it does is make you look Anti-American.

You can post this shit if you want. it's a free country.   I'm also free to say this stuff is complete bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:35 PM

That's right! I guess I'm unAmerican if I don't want live in a fascist state?

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:36 PM

Perhaps you should turn on a light. You may trip in the dark.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:40 PM

You're just a moron, that's all.

A loser who has no leader in this country and is a misfit in the majority of mainstream America.

You worthless, ungrateful, sniveler. You ought to be glad and grateful you live here. Do some good instead of whining. OK pal?

Don't go blow your bong and then spout off with a bunch of stupid facist bullshit. Plenty of people like it here just fine.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:41 PM

gnu,

The light is on and the emperor has no clothes! It's so scary!

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:43 PM

Looks like a $600 suit to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:45 PM

Well, I am taken aback by what I am hearing... from you and from Mr. Gibson. Have a good day... both of you... if you can. Me, I am outta here.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:48 PM

don't let the door hit you on your way out. OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:49 PM

Martin,

You don't get the right effect if you blow a bong.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: number 6
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:51 PM

Why is it when a person of 'left wing leanings' presents issues it's called whining??

Hell, I'm gonna checkout this site.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 07:05 PM

'A loser who has no leader in this country and is a misfit in the majority of mainstream America.'

It's always interesting to see what people think is an insult. I wouldn't mind being told I had no leader; being called a follower seems more insulting to me. Maybe the best compliment I ever got was -- assume a Yugoslavian accent here -- "He is dancing on own drum."


Of course there are advantages; a follower doesn 't have to think or take responsibility; the Noble Leader takes care of those details. And the leader will let him have a little something now and then.

"Follower" is a good job, and a good deal, for a dog.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 07:31 PM

Why "doper" all the time from this Gibson fellow? Doesn't it smack of the inability to admit to his own faults by calling others?
In the UK today we had a teacher, a born again Christian no less, imprisoned for downloading child porn, and he'd been voted the best teacher in his area.
What is it with this Gibson thing's denial? He needs help with his problem. He's obviously out of his head on something or other.
We should all stop baiting the poor soul and encouraging his drugged rants and try to get aid to him before it's to late.
We love you Brother Gibson despite your obvious problems and faults. Let us help you in your adversity and mental suffering. If we could all help in getting him to come out from behind his flag, help him to face his mental inadequacies, help him to understand the love of his fellow man, I'm sure he can become a decent citizen of the world community.
Mudcatters...unite. Gibson has nothing to lose but his ignorance!

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 07:39 PM

The tipoff was Martin's phrase "Blowing your bong." Who in their right mind would waste a hit blowing a bong?

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: dianavan
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 07:45 PM

It must do some good to boycott or Martin wouldn't be so freaked out. If it made no difference at all, he wouldn't waste his breath. Fact is, it does make a difference if enough people are 'on board'.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 07:49 PM

You're right there! Actually you're left there.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 07:56 PM

Awww, heck with the Martin sidehow...

This is kinda good idea, Peter, but I'd hate to think it just came down to red and blue state corporations... I think we need to get away from red and blue. This is nuthin' more than the corporate media to keep folks polorized and arguing over how many angels can dance on the end of pin rather than the big issue of why Biss Hog thinks he has a right to own everything and everybody...

I have spoken many times about about national boycotts as a means of pressuring corporations to play nicer but this ain't about Dems 'er Repubs here but pro-humanism vrs. privatization and corporate ownership of the world...

So, I'll look in on the BuyBlues but with only a cynical eye for now. It's tough to know who's is marheting whom these days... I don't buy anything from box stores or franchises as it is. I'm a mom & popper and would rather spend a few bucks more for their products, which are usually of higher quality than the junk the Walmarts of the world push down out throats...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff wdyat12
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 08:02 PM

Thank God for Martin! He keeps Mudcat honest. I don't know where this forum would be without him. Bring it on Martin!

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 08:07 PM

Bobert,

I think Martin is RIGHT in thinking that it is a matter of personal choice what one buys. I'm glad I'm buying Blue!

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 08:14 PM

"Follower" is a good job, and a good deal, for a dog."

The scenery only changes for the LEAD dog...

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 08:31 PM

Bill,

Go to Washington next time and be the lead dog!

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Burke
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 08:45 PM

Ethical purchasing to me is like ethical investing. I do want to use my money in a way that matches my values. Mostly that means trying to opt out of our consumerist society and buy less, perhaps spending more on things that will last. Getting fair trade coffee is pretty easy; finding information on which jean manufacturers have better records is something else.

I picked a 0% company and a 100% company at that site & was disappointed. It is completely driven by political donations or lack there-of. They list all these nifty categories like Business Ethics and Sustainability Practices but Not Rated seems to be the standard information. I think a site like Responsible Shopper has a better range of information.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 10:24 PM

I appreciate both of the links offered. I like to make informed decisions about what to buy and where (when possible), and these links help make it possible for me do that.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Teresa
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 10:42 PM

Well, I'm torn.

I appreciate having access to information about corporations, but the problem in an area like suburban Las Vegas, or even urban, for that mattter is that I'm totally blind and can't go the 10 miles to the mom and pop stores. Well, ok, if I'm dedicated, I could spend most of the day on the bus.

It's difficult, because I'd love to do more for mom and pop and small businesses. But this is car city.

And what do poor, disabled, and elderly who don't drive do in these situations? If you live in a neighborhood where there are only chain stores, what do you do?

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: mg
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 10:52 PM

I bet there are mom and pop sites on the internet for a lot of stuff..and there is Ebay....and often there are farmer coops where you pay x per month and they deliver to your door. that would be nice..mg

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 11:03 PM

Peter, you are such an expert on bongs, why don't you clear your head a moment and describe the proper way to use one for all the little children here who are just waiting on your expertise?

Better yet, extol on us the virtues of your drug habit.

don't cough all over it though with any backwash.

Guest, typical moron shit from you. I just ignore it. I know it's just coming from a total idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 11:08 PM

Peter...I am almost in Washington...I live 30 minutes North of the White House...

I have done my marching when I was younger...in Mississippi in 64-65 and in the Viet Nam protests in 19(71)? Rode a bus from Kansas to participate in the "March Against Death" ..we FILLED the mall, and Pete and Arlo sang and we yelled at the White House and slept on church floors...and we felt like we had an effect. This didn't 'feel' like something that might have an effect...the idiot was elected, and riding in triumph. (I know, I know, someone needed to say "we ain't pleased")...but I am a bit more cynical now, and MUCH less resilient to cold and crowds...so I watched and planned to talk and vote and write my congressman and set a good example.

I'm glad people still take the trouble...and I can imagine scenarios when *I* would be out there leading the jeers and trying to prevent something serious ....(invading Saudi Arabia?...tapping my internet connection?......who knows what this crowd is capable of?)

I haven't quit...I'm just saving my strength...

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Teresa
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 12:49 AM

I order a lot online, mary; thanks for the tip. I order my coffee from a local roaster and from a roaster in the bay area where I used to live. The groceries are the tricky part; all the stores are chains, even the health food stores. So I've started ordering from a major chain online, and that way my 21-pound bags of cat litter get delivered up to me on the second floor. That makes things much easier for me. :) I'm going to keep on looking for small online businesses to frequent.

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 11:31 AM

Glad to see this thread is going nowhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: DougR
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:37 PM

Boycotting merchants might be a good idea to prove a point, but if the boycott becomes so effective the volume of business transacted suffers resulting, perhaps, in employees losing jobs ...is that typically the way a "progressive" thinks? THe hapless employees fired MAY have even voted for the candidate of YOUR choice!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:43 PM

It won't happen, doug R.

People who shop at Wal-Mart really don't care about crap like boycotts. they just want their hard earned dollar to go as far as it can, which they are entitle to think.

The so called boycotters who raise their fists have had and will continue to have zero impact.

Like I said at the beginning, it's no one's business where I spend my money.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Kim C
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:51 PM

People and corporations in America have the right to decide how to spend their money and to whose cause to donate. If Roy's Leather and Mattresses makes contributions to an organization I don't support, and I in turn choose not to support Roy's Leather and Mattresses, I doubt my lack of patronage will make Roy change his mind about whatever it is. Another customer will take my place, and Roy will continue to support whomever he chooses, regardless of where my dollar goes.

(Roy's Leather and Mattresses is a real business, by the way, in Radcliffe, KY. Never been in there, just using it as an example because the name's kinda funny.)

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Teresa
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 04:52 PM

I've been thinking a lot about this issue.

On the one hand you have the folks who want to buy products with no industrial chemicals, genetic modifications, etc. On the other you have people fighting for the rights of the poor. How does a poor person buy these expensive products. Not all the poor or infirm, etc. can live in the cool neighborhoods with the health-food stores.

Fortunately, some chains are selling organic products, but only in certain stores, usually in the middle- or upper-class neighborhoods.

I don't know if divisiveness (is that a word?) is being created in my own head, or if it's simply a matter of different priorities. But, for example, where do folk in developing countries get these special foods? I suppose the best answer would be to grow them the old-fashioned way, but that is only a small drop in the bucket.

Anyhow, I ramble, but those are my thoughts. ...

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 05:13 PM

Martin,

No one is telling you what to buy, no one is telling you what political party to foster. BuyBlue just gives you an informed political choice for spending your hard earned money if you are politically minded. If BuyBlue's list makes you feel guilty oh well.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 05:20 PM

It doesn't make me feel guilty. It makes me realize that you just waste your time, that's all.

Do you need an informed political choice where to take a dump?

I run my own life. You obviously need some political agenda and advice for everything.

I could give a rat's ass on what special interest groups you like to stroke.

Kim c, as usual, I enjoy your soft spoken common sense voice of reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 05:48 PM

Teresa is absolutely right. Choosing organic food items or other environmentally-friendly products, as well as observing this type of boycott of high-volume discount retailers, are options only for those who can afford the luxury of spending more than necessary to make a point. The folks most in need of economic justice can't be expected to participate in these efforts.

This means:
A) No one should be criticised for where they buy the things they need at prices that they can afford, and
B) The likelihood of "BuyBlue" making a significant impact is negligible, since the number of people who have *both* the conviction that it's the right thing to do *and* the financial means to participate is small and, thanks to the neocons, shrinking. Keep in mind that 98% of us are steadily getting poorer while the favored 2% belly up to the trough.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 05:50 PM

Buy Blue is crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff wdyat12
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 07:51 PM

Martin,

Please don't pull a feather from a dead rat.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff wdyat12
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 09:03 PM

Now that we have calmed the waves coming from the Right, for a moment, we can now move ahead. I would love to see Martin fall in love and get off this forum. He won't bother to fall in love 'cause he is too rapped up in Mudcat. Damn!

Peter

I fell in love and was gone from Mudcat for almost two years!
Nobody missed me!

wdyat12

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 10:18 PM

I am in love, Peter with a wonderful wife. This isn't Mudcat Damn as you call it. Below the line is just Internet Sport.

I would like to see you just get a life.

It's obvious why nobody missed you.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 02:28 AM

Teresa - There is a nationwide, organic delivery called Diamond Organic (google it) but I know nothing about it and I'm sure it must be very expensive. Check it out.

I agree that not everyone has access to organic food and that not everyone can afford it but there are other ways to make your dollar match your values.

Pay attention to the packaging. Avoid plastic whenever possible. Use a cloth bag for shopping. Cut down on garbage. Recycle, re-use and reduce.

Use public transit and walk.

If you don't have garden space, grow in containers or even in a kitchen window.

The challenge is to spend your dollars in a way that helps our environment and doesn't hurt anyone. It really gets down to individual responsibility. Do what you can do.

As far as robbing people of their jobs (as mentioned above) I know that from the Vancouver experience, new jobs arise when the market shifts to meet the needs of the consumer. Profitable new industries have arisen as a result of re-cycling plastic, metal and paper. We now have organic produce delivered to the door. Vegetarian restaurants and menus abound. Sustainable community living and environmental initiatives are surging forward. A healthy economy is dependent on a healthy environment.

To those of you who do not want to buy blue. Don't. Spend your money any way you want. Contribute to the destruction of the planet if you wish. You are the ones who have to live with your decisions.

Put your money where your mouth is!

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 12:37 PM

Spoken like a true doped out old hippie.

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff wdyat12
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 07:36 PM

Martin?

What the...?
Let's atleast smoke from the same bong!

Petrer

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff wdyat12
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 07:46 PM

dianavan,

You are so left you're right!

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Buy Blue?
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 11:00 PM

She's so left that she's beyond reason.

But not beyond excessive vaginal itching.