BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise

Subject: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Barney Bonobo
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:25 PM

There has been an alarming media campaign underway lately to discredit primates. The recent incident in California with the chimps is a case in point. Little has been said about the awful conditions those chimps were exposed to by the zoo in which they were incarcerated. Many primates in custody have been forced to watch reruns of embarrassing movies like "Bedtime for Bonzo". After awhile this results in a disastrous loss of self-esteem and deeply suppressed anger, and that can surface in sudden acts of violence.

The real tragedy is that most of the violence is primate-on-primate, but you don't hear about that on the news, do you? No, unless a ruling class human being gets his lily-white skin bruised you won't hear "ook" about it. Primate-on-primate violence results in thousands of deaths and injuries yearly in the USA, but most of it goes unreported.

Meanwhile, lurid stories are being spread about the sexual habits of Bonobos, implying that all Bonobos are sex maniacs in a constant state of seething lust. This is ludicrous, and it amounts to hate propaganda.

Gorillas are traditionally cast in the role of the "heavy", and are seen as brutally vicious attackers and monsters who carry off blonde women, King-Kong style, to some hideous fate in their jungle lair.

Monkeys are routinely portrayed as hysterical, witless, silly, screeching little creatures, and used for comic relief.

This kind of gross stereotyping is Anti-Primatism of the most virulent sort, and should be named for what it is and ended once and for all.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Lester Capuchin
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:30 PM

You are so right!!! I get screeching mad about it all the time!!! I jump up and down and holler and yell about it and rattle the bars and yell some more, and NOBODY listens!!!

After awhile I just give up and go back to reading Goethe for a bit...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:35 PM

Not to worry. The Anti Primate Defense League (APDL) is forming even as we speak. It's always unfortunate when, due to the ignorance of the masses, the ill-advised actions of a few result in widespread and negative STEREOTYPES. I've been guilty of perpetuating those images myself, and I apologize.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Wolfgang
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:42 PM

What you criticise cannot be named anti-primatism, for human are primates as well, so by definition what they do or say cannot be anti-primatism.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:47 PM

Man, that is one OFFENSIVE movie about the chimp with the guy's girlfriend. I am glad the APDL is formin' to deal with this kind of stuff.

The thing about gorillas carryin' off only blondes is inaccurate, BTW. They ain't all that particular, when it comes right down to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Anarchist Ape
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:48 PM

What a bunch of ape-ologist twaddle! Forget about trying to convince humans what good guys we are! The time has come for us to claim our own! Don't let the deaths of the martyred California Chimps be in vain!

Humans have had the upper hand for far too many years! Let's show them that "Planet of the Apes" is more than fiction! And let's make that Carlton Heston creep the next to pay!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Beyonce Baboon
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:50 PM

Well, that sounds like a familiar refrain, Wolfgang. It may be that humans are primates, technically speaking, but in the common vernacular "primate" is not usually used to denote humans, is it? I think the meaning of the term Anti-Primatism is therefore quite clear to most people.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Guy Gibbon
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:01 PM

Primataphobes are the worst sort of vermin to walk/shuffle/slither this earth if you ask me. My best mate's a bononbo, and although he's barking mad, he's not bonking mad.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Wolfgang
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:05 PM

Just making fun of some posters in the anti-semitism thread who seemed to believe this could be a valid argument. It's a misnomer anyway one of them wrote sounding serious.

That's an interesting thread, BTW, I even pondered posting the following sentence in the thread about gypsies without indicating I was quoting and waiting for the interesting reactions:

I do not regard their actions as being above criticism because of something the Nazis did to their parents or grandparents over 55 years ago in response to McGrath reminding us of what has happened to the Roma in the holocaust.

But then I thought I should be nicer than that.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:13 PM

ook?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:14 PM

EEK! EEK! EEK!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Bonzo
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:22 PM

Writing from the retired animal actors' home.........

In two movies, I was the title character. Ronnie got paid lavishly and went on to be presidunce of the untied snapes. All I got out of the deal as a couple of lousy bananas!

There is good reason for screeching and rattling the bars!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Ralphie in Boston
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:25 PM

Add to that the fact that Bonzo could act way better than Reagan, and you realize the true injustice of it. You will never see an ape nominated to run for president. Never.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:28 PM

There's a growing backlash of anti-simianism in those parts of Africa where humans evolved from simians. SOme people just want to forget their roots and turn their back on those they once depended on.

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Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Bonzo
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:31 PM

Thanks, Ralphie (sniff, wiping away a tear). It's nice to have ones art acknowledged.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:36 PM

I've been shocked by the anti-simianism in this town. I think Wolfgang's tendency to nitpick this very important issue over issues of mere semantics is disrespectful, and it may well be indicative of a not too well hidden anti-simian aspect in his own character. (grin)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Amos
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:40 PM

I think we saw a chimp run for the White House once...


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Bonzo
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:44 PM

By the way, one nice touch. The retired animal actors' home is in California, near San Simian.

Rin Tin Tin is pretty senile now, but he's nice enough. But that Lassie is a real egomaniac. My best buddy is Cheetah. Used to work in the Tarzan movies with Johnny Weismuller.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 01:47 PM

Cheetah was just a youngster when they did those films. The fully-grown Cheetah could have tossed Weismuller around like a baseball.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 02:37 PM

Ralphie in Boston said, inter alia:

You will never see an ape nominated to run for president. Never.

If you look at the pictures in the news, it appears that a simian has "passed" as human, and is now president of the United States!

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: jacqui.c
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 02:45 PM

Dave - you beat me to it!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Man Drill
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 02:45 PM

This arguing is beyond me. I'll think I'll pick my nose for a bit, and then lie on my back try to piss into my mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 02:50 PM

Sorry, Chongo, but I usually shun anything that has to do with chimps.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 05:32 PM

Some primates are primates twice over. For example the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,observer
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 05:58 PM

Martin Gibson says:

"Sorry, Chongo, but I usually shun anything to do with chimps."

That's because he shuns all things that are smarter than he is.

Martin, you twit...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 07:14 PM

Humans can be anti-primate just as jews can be antisemitic. Sounds like an OK word to me, but I don't see it in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 07:27 PM

It's hair prejudice by some naked apes. Like all hair prejudice, its roots are in jealousy.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Layah
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 07:44 PM

In a vaguely more serious vein, I think people actually do have some sort of negative reaction to non-human primates. Or at least are scared of admitting they might be intelligent. In doing some research for an essay about ape language experiments, I have run time and again into people who irregardless of evidence uniformly dimiss any possibility that apes could learn anything approximating language.

I think they decide humans are special because they have language, and so they are worried they won't be special anymore if apes can learn language. Just like when they used to say only humans made tools, or only humans had opposable thumbs, both of which are incorrect. Unfortunately, the evidence that apes can learn language from what I've read is more anecdotal than scientificly proven. Depending greatly on how you define language as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: bobad
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 07:47 PM

separated at birth?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 07:50 PM

The ape has nicer ears. Bush's ears are pointed.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Layah
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 07:53 PM

baby chimps have the cutest ears I've ever seen. I want a baby chimp.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 08:07 PM

yum yum. couldn't eat a whole one though.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Magilla Gorilla
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 10:08 PM

CLICK!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 10:09 PM

GAAHHHH!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Master Chimp
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 04:57 PM

Amen. I feel that primates are extremelyt smart. We need to protect primates as if they were humans.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 05:46 PM

Well said.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 06:17 PM

I had decided to keep this quiet at least until I could sort it out with Big Mick but a rather pregnant KoKO has appeared at my door. She rambles on about her big red boy and the upcoming marriage. Having been on the receiving end of one of Mick's proposals, I took pity and gave her a home which she is eating me out of. Doc says twins. So Layah, you may have your wish. Although I believe they will be gorillas.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 07:33 PM

It figures. Another case of blatant exploitation of naive primates by silver-tongued human...well, semi-human...scoundrels!

The fact is, humans and apes are both special. Dogs are special too. Just ask my dog and he will tell you all about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 10:59 PM

My cat Ed is special - "Special Ed".

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:49 AM

H'Angus the monkey elected Mayor in Hartlepool, England link

There is some history here Historic Footballing Chimp

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Seamus O'Rangutan
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 08:56 AM

I see that MARTIN GIBBON has been around again. Shame on him, hanging around like that. I don't believe he's 'armless you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Dorothy Lemur
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:03 PM

"Just making fun of some posters in the anti-semitism thread who seemed to believe this could be a valid argument. It's a misnomer anyway one of them wrote sounding serious." - Wolfgang

Our friend the canine makes a good point.

Aren't Arabs semites? Aren't a lot of the people whining about "anti-semitism" complaining about among others, Arabs? Would those same primates, particularly a very Marginal Gibbon, far removed from the cradle of the semitics, who shall not be named, call their own condemnation of Palestinians what it is, antisemitism?

Why can't monkey's, apes and other primates whine about anti-primatism from humans? Why must humans have a monopoly on childish, irrational behavior?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 06:23 PM

Exactly!

By golly, if hamsters had more access to the media, I bet we'd get an earfull about anti-rodentism.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 08:29 AM

Hee hee - read this as anti-priapism on the rise, nudge nudge wink wink!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Mae (Bonobo) West.
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 01:39 PM

priapism

As in "When taking Levitra if you have an erection lasting more than four hours, call your doctor."

I'd say call me!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 05:42 PM

I figured it was time to refresh this, cos the problem ain't goin' away. Matter of fact, it's gettin' worse. I got spat on today by someone in a bus goin' by. This sorta thing does not help relations between apes and humans one bit. If I find him, he is gonna need plastic surgery.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Cluin
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 05:44 PM

We'll stop spitting when you stop flinging your feces around.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 06:02 PM

♫ "Fling it here-fling it there,
And if you're passin' by, then you'll sure get you're share" ♫

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 06:03 PM

That's just the sort of thing I'm talkin' about! I am sick and tired of bein' stereotyped like that. If you had been ripped from the bosom of your family and locked in a stinkin' cage and gawked at for years by rubes from the suburbs then you'd probably get pretty weird too after awhile.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Cluin
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 06:58 PM

The only thing worse than those rabid, Ebola-ridden, feces-hurling monkeys are their twisted, evil, psychopathic Clown overlords.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 09:04 PM

Check out this book, written by a friend of mine: No Chimp Left Behind. And there's even a song, as my friend is a musician and songwriter.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 09:26 AM

When I first encountered this thread I assumed that it would be about the outrageous discrimination that archbishops face in their daily lives - but obviously not. Perhaps I ought to start one - because it's really not on!! Mind you, what would I call it?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Chief Chimp
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 12:32 PM

I'm with Chongo!
You all seem to have missed the stereotyping from the movie "Madagascar".

The talking chimp talks about going to Carneghie hall to see a famed singer and at his partners questioning ook? he responds "of course to fling poop at him!"

When the two get caught outside the zoo by the NYPD the lead turns to the second chimp and says "If you have any poo, fling it now!"

As if humans aren't the masters of that type of activity! Just look at how deep it is in Washington D.C. They act more like the place is an outhouse than a capitol of the country!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 10:28 AM

Damn right. It's a blatant case of the pot callin' the kettle black that we got here.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Chief Chimp
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 03:28 PM

It's just too bad that Kongs gone.
If they want to stereotype us with that we could have sent him to lift the lid on the capitol building and fling some real poo into the procedings!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 03:33 PM

That's been done already. Many times.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 05:17 PM

It's best to be careful where you fling that poo...those folks in the capitol building have plenty to fling back, It's generated at an alarming rate by the basic processes they are engaged in!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 09:21 PM

Kong should've knocked down the whole damn Capitol building. THAT would've got their friggin' attention! Whaddya say about a bunch of sickos who invade a foreign place, drug and kidnap its leading citizen, drag him off to their country in chains, and display him as a public spectacle for the amusement of the jaded and overfed human masses? Scumbags, that's what! I can understand the rage that drove Kong to smash up that train and stomp on those people in New York. His death under the guns of the US Army Air Force was a tragedy that every red-blooded primate can only recall with deep sympathy and outrage.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 02:28 PM

And here's another problem that is just NOT going to go away...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: number 6
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 02:37 PM

No kidding .. political arguments, religeous arguments, philosphical arguments, hat arguments .... and then there's Chongo!!!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 02:43 PM

Yeah. Any minute now some prick will make the usual standard remark about "flinging poo", as if that was all a chimpanzee was capable of! Then some anonymous @sshole will refer to chimps as "monkeys", when they are not monkeys at all, they are apes.

It's disgusting. This forum is absolutely awash in anti-primatism, and something should be done about it. Why doesn't Max put a stop to it?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: number 6
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 03:21 PM

chimps are goddamned monkeys, yeah, poop flinging monkeys they are ... calling them an ape is elevating them up next to the same level as a gorilla.... a gorilla is an ape. Chimps (such as Chongo) don't deserved to be called apes!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 03:45 PM

You stinking, anti-primatic piece of garbage, I will get you for that! You better stay out of the Chicago area.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 03:47 PM

Ridiculous!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 04:21 PM

Anti-simianism is definitely a problem here at the Mudcat community. Martin Gibson has overtly sworn, for example, he would have nothing to do with chimps. That's mighty close the old "wouldn't want my sister to marry one" slur of the old Civil Rights movement, and I think it is about time we start a nationwide march on Washington -- One Million Simians Call on their Leader -- to pressure Bush to acknowedge his personal fraternal ties to these many concerned simians and friends of simians.

The Republican Party has a long tradition of working with and befriending simians which he should be forced to acknowledge, which goes back to before Reagan was President. Shall all the sweat, blood tears and witholding deductions that went into Bedtime for Bonzo be for nought? No!! A thousand times, no!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: GUEST,Chia Chimp
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 04:47 PM

Oh, well said! Indeed, it's anti-simianism that is the scourge afflicting this society. "Anti-primatism" is a term that is out of date and misleading in this context.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 05:44 PM

Here's a nice shot of Chongo in a relaxed moment.

good lookin' ape!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Primatism on the rise
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 06:50 PM

Oh, Little Hawk, you silly wabbit!! That's Bill SHatner!



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