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Subject: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 05 - 03:41 AM Does anyone know why the 'cat is down so much? |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:01 AM I assume that as Max the Mouse is away, {for Easter} the Cat has decided to play. Never mind I'm sure that both Max and The Cat, will come back. G |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:29 AM That doesn't answer the question. Thanks anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:54 AM I'm afraid that you will probably never find out the reason. This intermittent fault has been going on for quite some time, and the only explanation forthcoming was firstly new software, and then malware on a Mudcatters system infecting the server. It is worrying that Max doesn't keep us up to date with problems, and makes me and others fear for the future of this great site. Keeping people informed, stops them worrying, and more to the point cuts speculation, a lot of which is either ill informed or malicious or both. I know Max has a life, and a family to look after, but I sometimes feel that he carries the arms length idea a bit too far, and people get the idea that he's lost interest, and it's only a matter of time before the site dies. However having condemned speculation, here I am doing it. I'd better shut up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST,MBSLynne Date: 29 Mar 05 - 05:46 AM It's the lack of information that has bothered me in the last three months. At least if you know what's happening (even without all the technical stuff which doesn't mean much to me) you know if and possibly when it will be back, or if it's going to be down for a long time or what. I was worried that it was a BIG problem this time, since it has been down , as far as my attempts to use it go, from 3.00pm (BST) yesterday until now. I forgot that it was possible that Max was away for the holiday...this is after all what happened at Christmas too Love Lynne |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 05 - 11:53 AM #*?X%! & "$^+~@|s |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 05 - 12:16 PM It is a big problem It's being run on some old hardware in a basement somewhere That's the problem |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST,Bill D Date: 29 Mar 05 - 12:21 PM This is one of the cases where 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 05 - 12:29 PM Let me know if this place ever runs as high as 50% |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST,rumanci Date: 29 Mar 05 - 12:31 PM and I agree with you Bill - 200% :-D and I hope Max and co have had a wonderful holiday rum |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: John MacKenzie Date: 29 Mar 05 - 12:40 PM Back up again whoopee. G |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Mar 05 - 12:55 PM I've linked it to Chongo. Every time he has too much to drink and gets hung over, the Cat goes down. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: dwditty Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:00 PM Laundry room, not basement. At the very worst, mudcat being down is an inconvenience, for me anyway. Considering how much has been done with so little resource (barring, of course, the thousands of hours of sweat equity), I remain appreciative of what mudcat is. dw |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST,up again Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:03 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:28 PM Thank you for your hard work Max, I don't care why it was down, I'm just glad it's back and I hope you had a good holiday. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:31 PM I'm betting that the anonymous guests who complain about Mudcat being down so much have never contributed a dime to help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:36 PM "have never contributed a dime" Show me something worth paying for.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:42 PM talk is cheap |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: dwditty Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:50 PM Are you saying all the time you spend here is worthless, Clinton? ah, rats...he finally got me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Peace Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:52 PM I think there is a difference between complaining and asking a civil question. My question was this: Does anyone know why the Mudcat was down? If so, why? If not, then thank you. I agree with Lynne's post. This has been happening for months. WHY? BillD is correct that 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing. However, requesting an explanation about the difficulties is not the same as slagging the 'cat or attacking Max. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Amos Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:55 PM You are quite right, Bruce. Wish Ic ould provide an explanation, but I canna. The reason being that I don't have a clue! :D A |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 05 - 01:56 PM Maybe Ron he has contributed quite a bit, and therefore has more reason to complain than upstarts like Hammond! |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: PoppaGator Date: 29 Mar 05 - 02:00 PM I'm just glad Mudcat exists, even if it's on a shoestring budget (something I understand only too well). I would be much more unhappy if I hadn't learned about the "backdoor." If you can't get in the normal way, you can usually get to the forum (without your cookie, as a "guest") at: http://207.103.108.99/threads.cfm#BS (That final "#BS" may not be necessary ~ I'm guessing that it just sends you down to the BS section rather than the top of the forum page.) No access to PMs via the backdoor, and no automatic insertion of your name/alias when you post, but otherwise it's all there. You can read and write to any thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 29 Mar 05 - 02:09 PM "Maybe Ron he has contributed quite a bit" I'd complain a LOT more if I was throwing money down this hole-in-the-internet... And well, I'm not even complaining that much... It's just a simple fact that Mudcat is needlessly buggy, unstable, and prone to crashes... 10 years ago, message boards like this were falling by the way-side in favour of much better software... why this place feels the need to support and defend it's cruddyness is beyond me... It's a good thing there are some cool folks here... and occasional On Topic threads... the platform alone sure ain't worth staying for... |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 03:28 PM Maybe it's me, but I don't think this is a democracy. Mudcat is run with support, but I don't believe it is a public company or a non-profit. Do we really deserve answers? It might be nice, and I have seen in the past that Max would post explanations. It just seems that people started jumping as soon as the Mudcat went back on line. And Brucie, you are right - there is a difference between complaining and asking a civil question. There is much too much complaining going on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 29 Mar 05 - 03:51 PM " I don't think this is a democracy" Who said it was? Just cause it's not, doesn't mean we can't ask... |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:16 PM Ron get off your high horse. There are countless facilities we all use in everyday life, that are in part funded by volunteers monetary contributions. Museums, art galleries, parks etc etc etc. You and I don't contribute to every facility we use. Are you berated for using a facility that you haven't helped to fund, by those who have helped to fund it? I support the ones that publish their annual accounts. You do otherwise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:19 PM You can ask, but you don't necessarily deserve an answer. All I'm saying is the tone of this and other threads is that we are "owed" an answer. The demands that are placed on what is a volunteer service is a bit much. If the question were asked "hope everything is all right, what happened?" but instead it appears under a heading of "aGAIN?" and a general question of "why the Cat is down so much" is asked. Say what you want about reading into things, but the tone was negative. I don't see any chains that hold people to this website. I am just as upset when I see that Mudcat is down, but I would not transfer that feeling into such a cranky message. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:23 PM Well, well. Look who feels "berated"! It is alright for you to berate someone, but when the finger points back at you the whining begins! I make a donation every time I go into a museum or gallery. I also donate to parks, or at least pay taxes. There are facilities that I use that I do not donate to, but when I realize that it is run by volunteers I would either ask how I could help or offer a suggestion. I would not berate the individuals that are donating their time and money. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:23 PM So, it's a problem that YOU have with the language used... Know whose problem that seems to be?? Yours... Lemme loan you a quarter, and maybe you can call someone to come build you a brige, so you can help yourself over it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Peace Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:24 PM Ron, The 'cat has been crashing for months. It is a great site. That said, asking for the twentieth time why is not bad manners. It is easy to handle by checking one of the following three boxes: 1) none of yer business 2) I don't know 3) there is a problem that will take time to fix You can like or not like whatever tones people have implied--however, I have asked this question many times before. So far, I don't think I have been rude. Bruce M |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:25 PM I think I may need a translator for your last comment Clinton. The problem isn't with the language, it is with the attitude. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:28 PM Brucie, unless you have been posting as "guest", I don't think I was directing my comments at you. I think your questions have been answered in previous threads by Max and the others. There have been issues with servers and software that have been discussed in these forums. Hey, I don't like it either, but I would not go to a party and then yell at the host because they ran out of chips. That is exactly what some people are doing here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Peace Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:29 PM Gotcha. Have a good day, Ron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST,MMario Date: 29 Mar 05 - 04:33 PM Ron - I've been at parties like that. also ones where people complain because they don't care for the food served (though they only bitched about it AFTER having consumed it) or complained loudly they were alleergic to something on the menu - though they never informed their hostess - despite the menu being distributed quite some time before the event; Seems some people are happiest when complaining. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: katlaughing Date: 29 Mar 05 - 05:24 PM These kinds of questions are best posted to the HELP forum, where, surprise, surprise, one may actually find some answers! If you're so unhappy, why bother to come here? Whinging and moaning...ever heard of using honey instead of vinegar and/or altruistic There's a challenge for you! kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 05 - 05:33 PM Sorry but I am going to need one fucking great spliff to have an inkling of what you were trying to say. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 29 Mar 05 - 06:14 PM " it is with the attitude" Ssame answer... f#cking TOUGH! |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Mar 05 - 06:31 PM Hey, Clinton...for a mere $20 I can steer you toward an inexpensive course in human relations that will do wonders for your ability to win friends and influence people. :-) Don't hesitate, but PM me AT ONCE for the full details. (It will necessitate a committment of one week of your time to a private facility in the neighborhood of Barrie, Ontario, and you will be required to bring casual clothing, a large pillow, a nail file, and a baseball bat. No firearms are permitted, and you will be required to sign a waiver guaranteeing no ill treatment of small animals on your part.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 29 Mar 05 - 06:40 PM "do wonders for your ability to win friends" You don't go through the hardships of an ocean voyage to make friends... You can make friends at home. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Bobert Date: 29 Mar 05 - 06:44 PM I have it from reliable sources that agent from the FBI and Homeland Security shut it down to give them time to snoop around... They are developing a list of folks who will rounded up and wanted to be sure that none of the resident commies escaped the sweep... I knew this was gonna happen when they reassigned Teribus who had the situation purdu much in control when he was here... Hope he's enjoying his new job... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 07:26 PM What is the big deal Clinton? It is all about words when you type online and attitutde is how we deal with each other. I'm not sure why you are so hot under the collar about this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 29 Mar 05 - 07:36 PM See how easily you misunderstand... -I- am not the one who's hot under the collar here... |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: hilda fish Date: 29 Mar 05 - 07:37 PM Oh well. This all reminds me that I haven't put a cent towards Mudcat so now I'll rectify that. Go Mudcat! |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 07:38 PM Well, you answered me with "f#cking TOUGH!", sort of seems a bit on the angry side. Did I misread that?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 29 Mar 05 - 07:42 PM That's my answer for anyone who has a problem dealing with someone else's 'attitude'... Cause there's sweet F.A. you can do about someone else's attitude... So, ya... it's f#cking tough! And it's -your- issue... not mine... not theirs... I'm not gonna lose any sleep over how you feel about my or anyone else's 'tude! Don't get the idea because I use 'language' that I'm excited about something... Heh |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 07:47 PM I don't know if you can label it as a "problem" with someone's attitude. You are right, it is yours and their problem and not mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 29 Mar 05 - 07:51 PM " The problem... is with the attitude." Ya... and that's YOUR problem, not mine... You don't like MY attitude? And I'm supposed to care why? No wonder MG finds some here such easy targets... |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: katlaughing Date: 29 Mar 05 - 07:54 PM CH, yer startin' to sound like a Shamblesclone, eh?! |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 07:57 PM Huh?? Who said I didn't like your attitude?? I don't share it and it has absolutely no influence on me, but it isn't for me to "like" or "dislike" it. Who really cares? |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 05 - 07:59 PM Shit, Max bailed on this site long ago. He doesn't care what goes on here. He's just a hardware host and the new owners, Clones Inc., are the ones who see to the day-to-day operations of the site, make and implement policy, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST,Cretinous Yahoo Date: 29 Mar 05 - 08:25 PM Still offering those Canadian quarters, Clinton? LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 29 Mar 05 - 10:34 PM " Who said I didn't like your attitude??" Umm... you did... if not mine, than someones... Now you can't even read your own posts??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Peace Date: 29 Mar 05 - 10:42 PM Lotta angst here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Mar 05 - 11:18 PM Give it up Clinton, I re-read my posts. If you wish to read things into them, be my guest. This discussion has become way too silly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 30 Mar 05 - 12:01 AM " The problem... is with the attitude." Is a quote from you, is it not? |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: Little Hawk Date: 30 Mar 05 - 01:17 AM I have a shiny new penny here, and I will give it to whoever gets the last word, okay? PM me when it's over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Mar 05 - 03:46 AM Wll it was within the bounds of reason until Ron Olesko and Clinton Hambone started trading insults. On the basis that donations are solicited and given, by many people who want the site to be a success, it is only fair that these supporters be given an account of what they're helping to fund. It is only on the basis of sole funding as well as sole proprietorship, that the 5th amendment comes into play. Forget the knockers and the snipers and the free loaders, remember people like MMario and others who make or donate things for the auction, and help Max get along with The Cat. It wouldn't hurt to have a permathread for glytches to be explained, no names no pack drill, and no comments from anybody else, just a bit of info. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: nutty Date: 30 Mar 05 - 04:59 AM Be positive ...... be thankful for the up times The downtimes make you much more appreciative of Mudcat than you would be if everything went smoothly ...... a bit like life really. I know that Mudcat has given me more than I ever expected and that, generally, the people I have met through Mudcat are those that I would chose to have as friends. Thanx Max, Joe , Pene and all the clones |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:33 AM Well said John. My apologies for getting involved in a squabble that was clearly out of bounds with the thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 05 - 12:04 PM So today it's not again... it's still... "downtimes make you much more appreciative of Mudcat" What a load... |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 05 - 12:24 PM the site is available or we couldn't post here. What's your beef? |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST,Giok Date: 30 Mar 05 - 12:26 PM Do you think you have the monopoly on feeling pissed off when things go wrong on Mudcat? In the same way as we indulge our own kids, and condemn other folks kids for the same behaviour, we regular Mudcatters swear and cuss when this site happens to hit a glytch, then say "Aw it's just Mudcat" and get on with things. It's a love thing, you wouldn't understand! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 05 - 12:28 PM It's a stone-age server/software thing. You wouldn't understand |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 05 - 02:09 PM Oh, has the mudcat been down? Because I have a life, I didn't notice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST,Azizi Date: 30 Mar 05 - 02:29 PM Ditto nutty's 30 Mar 05 - 04:59 AM comments. Sure I like coming in through the front door. And I miss the PM feature and others when I use the back door. But as long as I'm able to read posts and post comments if I want to, I'm fine. Mudcat isn't separate from my life..Mudcat enriches the quality of my life. I am thankful that I found this online community. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST Date: 30 Mar 05 - 04:06 PM Sp[eaking of supporting the Mudcat, only one day left on Kendall's CD set. If I didn't have all of them, I'd bid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST,jacqui.c Date: 30 Mar 05 - 04:30 PM And this set of CDs will include a personal greeting and signature by the Cap'n. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: robomatic Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:10 PM I don't totally understand who are the powers that control the Mudcat community, but I'm under the impression they are largely unpaid volunteers and i'm grateful they are there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: GUEST,MMario Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:18 PM HAHA! If anyone around here "controlled" things (despite the accusations that constantly fly) you wouldn't see a lot of the things that are here. But those who try to herd the cats on the MudCat are all volunteers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: aGAIN? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 01 Apr 05 - 01:35 AM And I though this was a thread on spyware.... Just spend your penny Little Hawk! oo, no, that's not quite what I meant to say........ |
