BS: Anti-social behavior

Subject: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:21 PM

Isn't defending Marxism in america Anti-social behavior?

Isn't ridiculing Jews anti-social behavior?

Isn't ridiculing religion anti-social behavior?

Isn't sponging off the government anti-social behavior?

Isn't spreading AIDS through homosexual contact anti-social behavior?

Isn't ridiculing people with faith anti-social behavior?

Isn't censorship itself anti-social behavior?

Isn't not showing respect for a president anti-social behavior?

Isn't using drugs and boasting about it anti-social behavior?

Isn't getting drunk and boasting about it anti-social behavior?

Isn't being a lying Mudcat Clone anti-social behavior?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:22 PM

I say the anser is Yes to all and many here are obviously guilty of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:28 PM

Easy, Martin:

Isn't defending Marxism in america Anti-social behavior? EG: No

Isn't ridiculing Jews anti-social behavior? EG: Yes

Isn't ridiculing religion anti-social behavior? EG: Yes

Isn't sponging off the government anti-social behavior? EG: Yes

Isn't spreading AIDS through homosexual contact anti-social behavior? EG: yes, just as it is spreading AIDS through heterosexual contact.

Isn't ridiculing people with faith anti-social behavior? EG: Yes

Isn't censorship itself anti-social behavior? EG: Not per se; perhaps in some circumstances, but I can't think of any.

Isn't not showing respect for a president anti-social behavior? EG: No - respect is earned by behaviour and deeds only

Isn't using drugs and boasting about it anti-social behavior? EG: I'll sit on the fence onthis one; probably yes

Isn't getting drunk and boasting about it anti-social behavior? EG: Getting drunk, yes; boasting about it is just stupid

Isn't being a lying Mudcat Clone anti-social behavior? EG: If they're lying, yes

Do I pass?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: frogprince
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:34 PM

You lost me on one single point, El Greko; I find it very easy to think of possible instances of censorship as anti-social behaviour; censorship can be directed against worthless cultural garbage, or censorship can be the suppression of essential facts or ideas that threaten the powers that be.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:35 PM

Not really. You got some right, but others are definately anti-social in my book.

you see, this is the double standard here. All of these anti-social things happen daily here, but slide through as Ha Ha.

Once was a time the Office of the President was respected because that person was elected by a majority of voters. Not any longer.

Using illegal drugs will get you a fine and prison time or both. Seems to me that is anti-social behavior.

ridiculing of Jews and Christians is a daily practice here. This is quite anti-social.

Ridiculing and censoring people who don't have the same political thoughts and tell people so with impact just hear what they want to hear which makes them, in my book, anti-social.

Easy Martin?

Censoring me is not easy.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:35 PM

Martin drop the hard done by Jew act. [bleep] (for antisocial behavior)You're not a cunt because you are a Jew. You're a because you are you.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:38 PM

OK, 8 out of 11 isn't bad - better than 75%. I'm ready for the advanced paper now. You know, the one that asks the questions about making scatological remarks, ridiculing Islam, ridiculing those who don't vote republican, making personal attacks etc. I've been studying hard, I'm sure I'll do well.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:40 PM

I claim back one point - your question did not say "illegal drugs", just "drugs".

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST,gnu
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:40 PM

Defending Marxism is not. It is free speech, which is one of the basfoundation basis against Marxism, albeit arguably false. The rest are. Although, the way you worded some of these, to answer negatively might be misconstrued.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:43 PM

And calling Marxists fucking commies who shouldn't sponge off of this country is free speech also.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:44 PM

"others are definately anti-social in my book"

Thinking YOUR 'book' should matter to ANYONE else is anti-social behaviour...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:44 PM

Frogprince, being worthless cultural garbage is not a crime, just a state of being. Possibly irredeemable, certainly unpleasant - but still with the right to an opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:44 PM

And I meant illegal drugs, of couse.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:47 PM

Sign me up for some illegal drugs!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:49 PM

Is that supposed to be a quiz up there at the top of the thread? Do we get extra credit for this?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST,gnu
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:50 PM

Apologies for the "basfoundation basis". Got caught in a little anti-social boasting tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:50 PM

Point of law, in UK you won't get put in prison or fined for smoking a spliff. Where's the rizz?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: number 6
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:53 PM

Isn't defending Marxism in america Anti-social behavior?
......absolutely No
Isn't ridiculing Jews anti-social behavior?
......yes
Isn't ridiculing religion anti-social behavior?
......yes
Isn't sponging off the government anti-social behavior?
......yes, but then there are some that have no other needs but to sponge
Isn't spreading AIDS through homosexual contact anti-social behavior?
......homosexual, or heterosexual .. yes
Isn't ridiculing people with faith anti-social behavior?
......yes
Isn't censorship itself anti-social behavior?
......yes
Isn't not showing respect for a president anti-social behavior?
......no
Isn't using drugs and boasting about it anti-social behavior?
......yes
Isn't getting drunk and boasting about it anti-social behavior?
......yes
Isn't being a lying Mudcat Clone anti-social behavior?
...... what is a lying mudcat clone ??

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:53 PM

Perhaps that's why the UK is so fucked up.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:57 PM

We can't all aspire to your heady heights of unadulterated decency. Breathe in deep now.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: George Papavergis
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:57 PM

Thank you for the benefit of your expertise, Mr Gibson. Don't call us, we'll call you.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: frogprince
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 05:58 PM

Okay, clarification: I meant worthless cultural garbage as in say, child pornography; not as in calling a person that. I wouldn't consider censorship of child pornography to be anti social; but censorship can also be very anti-social.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:01 PM

frogpricne, I agree with you on that.

censorship though on a public forum of profanity and ridiculing those who are far left radical liberals and enemies of this country is another thing.

And there are ones here who fit that mode.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Chris Green
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:01 PM

Isn't defending Marxism in america Anti-social behavior? Only to paranoid rednecks.

Isn't ridiculing Jews anti-social behavior? Not if you're Woody Allen. It's a living.

Isn't ridiculing religion anti-social behavior? Hmmm, the idea of God with no sense of humour has never really held water for me. After all, He created things like the duck-billed platypus, the star-nosed mole and willies to name but a few. Surely he can take a joke too.

Isn't sponging off the government anti-social behavior? Depends on how you mean. If you're able to work and are turning down offers of work left right and centre, yes. If you can't work, it seems preferable to starving. Oh and incidentally government funds are public funds. Yes, that's right. Public. To be spent (in an ideal world) for the publics benefit.

Isn't spreading AIDS through homosexual contact anti-social behavior? Where contraception is available, yes. EG already made the point about heterosexually transmitted HIV being wrong.

Isn't ridiculing people with faith anti-social behavior? A personal attack on someone who holds religious beliefs is wrong. So is forcing your beliefs down other people's throats and resorting to investive and threats when they object. Cuts both ways, in other words.

Isn't censorship itself anti-social behavior? Actually I tend to agree with you on this one. But then again, anti-social behaviour breeds anti-social behaviour, y'know.

Isn't not showing respect for a president anti-social behavior? I was always taught respect was something you earn. The gibbering cretin currently occupying the Whitehouse has done precisely fuck all to earn anyone's respect. I could pursue this, but pick up a newspaper and turn to the international pages. It'll save time.

Isn't using drugs and boasting about it anti-social behavior? No. Merely tedious and anyway who says you have to listen?

Isn't getting drunk and boasting about it anti-social behavior? See above.

Isn't being a lying Mudcat Clone anti-social behavior? Yes. Remove the telling word 'lying' though and no, it isn't.


Just my two ha'porth!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:04 PM

Once was a time the Office of the President was respected because that person was elected by a majority of voters. Not any longer.

Too true- the U.S. president IS no longer elected by a majority of the voters. In point of fact, the current one was appointed by the Supreme Court.

First time Marty the Putzeleh has been correct in my memory- but then again, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:08 PM

Uh, greg F. He won the last election.

don't be completely stupid, OK?



duelingbasoukis or whatever, spoken like a true social misfit.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:08 PM

Martin - I'm glad that you are trying to find out what antisocial behavior is. Somehow that part of your education is lacking.

You've laughed at my sons death. You've made jokes about a man in a wheelchair. You've wished that we could all see our children dead. Somehow I guess that falls under your definition of "free speech". So be it. I'm through hating you. You're a master of hate and none of us can beat you at your game. You win. Be proud. God loves you. I'm working on it too but failing.

May all of God richest blessings be on you and your children seven times over.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Chris Green
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:17 PM

Thank you. BTW, if you're having problems spelling duellingbouzoukis, highlight it, press CTRL and C, then paste it into your message using CTRL and V.

All the best!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:28 PM

Maybe "antisocial behavior" isn't the most succinct term to be using in the context in question. Maybe instead of "[bleep] (for antisocial behavior)", the edits should say "[bleep] (for gratuitious abuse)".

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:30 PM

Martin is one big cu*t. Is that allowed? Or is it offensive to call someone a cult?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:42 PM

There, there Putzeleh. Du fangst shoyn on? Two words: Ohio and Florida.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:43 PM

1. Is fomenting discord and anger within or amongst a group, antisocial?

2. Is using the fowlest insults imaginable, antisocial?

3. Is making up a persona and hiding behind it in order to be verbally abusive, antisocial? Is declaring that you do not see yourself as a participant in an online community which you post in a dozen times a day, antisocial?

4. Is lying repeatedly about who you really are, antisocial?

5. Is withholding public kindness or empathy for the sad, antisocial?

6. Is lacking impulsive control, antisocial?

7. Is fowling your own nest, antisocial?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST,Ebbie
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:43 PM

If you don't have a follower, it's hard to be a cult. *G*

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 06:54 PM

I also heard he is a *anker of the highest order. Must mean he works on Wall St?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 07:00 PM

Man, geeze o'pete, when I opened this thread I was amazed to find it was started by the Catbox resident anti-social-ist (but not Marxist...).

Yeah, I took Martin's test and maybe got a D... or worse...

Who cares?

It's all definations and semantics...

I mean Martin can talk about "welfare" and in Martin's world that means black women driving up to the Social Service Departrment in their Cadillac to pick up a fat check for pumping out babies once like factories... Yeah that is Martin's world. In Bobert's world it's Boss Hog and the corporate fat cats who are ripping off the middle class...

And in Martin's world when he thinks of Jew hating that means anyone who would like the Palestians getting a fair break... But in Martin's world all he see's if the Palestian suicide bombers but not Isreali tanks and bulldozers crashing thru homes of Palestianians to make way for more Isrealu settlements...

As fir Marxism being anti-social? No, it is very much social becasue it empowers the 98% of the folks who ain't on Boss Hog's Xmas card list...

Now, lastly, as this thread was started by Mar-fu*k-you-tin his Mar-fu*k-you-tin-self I'd just say this....

...I rest my case.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 07:10 PM

Isn't sponging off the government anti-social behavior?

Sometimes it is, and sometimes it's not. But making up stories and lying about people living off of government assistance when they are not is always anti-social behavior. As well as being gratuitous abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: number 6
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 07:14 PM

Those Boss Hawg corporations thriving off of government kickbacks and tax incentives (and not giving back to their own community) now that's anti-social 'sponging' behaviour.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 07:36 PM

"... fowling your own nest..."??? most interesting misspelling I've seen recently.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 07:51 PM

No, Yes, Maybe, Yes, Yes, Yes, Not Necessarily, Hard To Say, Yes, Yes, Ummmm....well, I'm not quite sure about the last one...but lying is generally considered antisocial.

Regarding the first one, I would prefer a society that combined the best aspects of both socialism (or Marxism) AND capitalism, given the choice. That would make supporting neither one of them "antisocial". A society that is all one...or all the other...is kind of like a society that's all male or all female. It doesn't work all that well in practice.

I am living in a society that practices both socialism and capitalism, and it's really quite nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 08:34 PM

Martin, there are all kinds of anti-social behavior. That's not the point. Most people say offensive things from time to time - but most of the time, they get along with other people peaceably. You're just the opposite. I think you posted 25 messages yesterday, and twenty of them were combative in one way or another. When you're here, you're here for combat. It makes the place unpleasant for all of us, and we're not going to tolerate that any more.

I suppose I'll have to delete most of your messages at the end of the day today. You can expect me to do it every day until you stop attacking people.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 08:38 PM

Joe - I checked. During the last month Martin has made exactly three music posts. And I'm not including his contributions to the Homosexuality in traditional music thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 08:54 PM

This was not meant to be a test and I really don't care if you answered it or not. It was meant as nothing more than an opinion.

Wesley S. I did not laugh at your son's death. I don't know you and really don't care to. Your dirty laundry is really not my concern. There are a lot of tragic stories here and I thankfully do not feel that I am one of them.

For all I know, you and your wife are heroin addicts and you live with enormous guilt. Welcome to the Mudcat funny farm full of the dregs of liberal society. Druggies, social misfits, drunks, basket cases, drop-outs, and a lot of musical wannabes.

If that truth hurts, oh well. This is not directed at all here. Just the usual group. I'm sorry if I'm just to much for you to deal with. Please deal with the fact that I am in fine health, do not use illegal or prescribed drugs, have a great family, home, and fine job.

It's so easy for you to have a problem with that.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:11 PM

I wonder if your wife knows what you do here Martin?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: number 6
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:12 PM

Jeeeesh ...... doesn't that just go to show ya. Like all polls, you take your time and go through all the Q's and in the finality of it all, it just means squat nothin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: harpgirl
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:17 PM

What I object to "Martin", as I have said all along to you, is your primitive envy and thus your need to destroy that which you most desire: entry into the group of mudcatters who are the most identified with what you desire to be and to have. This has been the basis for your online actions here all along.

If I were Max, I'd simply cut you out of the sight completely. And I would do it until you learned a great deal more about prosocial behavior and demonstrated it. Claiming that some mudcatters write you friendly email only means to me that you have made a fool out of them because they believe you are who you claim to be.

more later

(old) babe in total control of herself

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:20 PM

Joe, I have been combative because I am fighting for what I believe in and you are getting your kicks stifling it.

In short, you are operating on a double standard.

Joe, why don't you delete all of the combative and insulting Guest posts that are done incognito by many Mudcat posters?

Why don't you delete posts by Jew haters who insult Rabbis?

Why don't you delete posts that promote the use of illegal drugs?

Why don't you delete posts by morons like Big Mick with all of his anger and egomaniacal attitude?

Why don't you delete postgs by socialists that people who love this country find offensive?

You know why, Joe. Because you are a puppet, that's why.

You just might be very busy here.

And yes, I think a thread about homosexual songs is dumb for a folk music sight. Made a comment or two about it and then I moved on. Sleepless Dad, the music threads have not been interesting to me much lately. So before you go ahead and lick Joe's colon with your report, I would suggest that you have too much time on your hands.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:26 PM

Keep right on telling yourself that Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:45 PM

And making up stories and lying about people being druggies, social misfits, drunks, basket cases, drop-outs, and a lot of musical wannabes is also anti-social behavior and gratuitous abuse.

You, yourself have said that you don't know Wesley. And you really don't know anything about him. And yet you are insinuating that he and his wife are heroin addicts. With no reason to even suspect this as a possiblity, even the act of mentioning it as a possibility is abusive. And that's what you do. You make up a bunch of incredibly libelous lies about people and spread them around as the truth. Then you use those lies as a way of justifying your behavior here. But they're still lies. And that makes you not only gratuitively abusive and anti-social, but also a liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:45 PM

No guest, I'll just tell you again:

Joe, I have been combative because I am fighting for what I believe in and you are getting your kicks stifling it.

In short, you are operating on a double standard.

Joe, why don't you delete all of the combative and insulting Guest posts that are done incognito by many Mudcat posters?

Why don't you delete posts by Jew haters who insult Rabbis?

Why don't you delete posts that promote the use of illegal drugs?

Why don't you delete posts by morons like Big Mick with all of his anger and egomaniacal attitude?

Why don't you delete postgs by socialists that people who love this country find offensive?

You know why, Joe. Because you are a puppet, that's why.

You just might be very busy here.

And yes, I think a thread about homosexual songs is dumb for a folk music sight. Made a comment or two about it and then I moved on. Sleepless Dad, the music threads have not been interesting to me much lately. So before you go ahead and lick Joe's colon with your report, I would suggest that you have too much time on your hands.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:51 PM

Have you forgotten your meds,dear? You're repeating yourself again.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:52 PM

Carol C. You can't call me a liar unless you know everything is the truth, which it isn't and you can't prove it.

You just don't know everything CarolC. You just can't Google up everything but I know you try.

And I didn't make up stories about some people here being druggies, social misfits, drunks, basket cases, drop-outs, and a lot of musical wannabes.

It's just by not so humble opion that they are. Didn't name any names, did I? But you obviously must recognize some whom I am talking about, quite possibly your own self.

My opinion is that people like yourself who have a problem with Israel and do everything they can to tout it, are extremely anti-social.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:53 PM

No, Guest, I don't need meds like some of the prosac kings and queens here, so for your own benefit, I will just tell you again, you cowardly turd:


No guest, I'll just tell you again:

Joe, I have been combative because I am fighting for what I believe in and you are getting your kicks stifling it.

In short, you are operating on a double standard.

Joe, why don't you delete all of the combative and insulting Guest posts that are done incognito by many Mudcat posters?

Why don't you delete posts by Jew haters who insult Rabbis?

Why don't you delete posts that promote the use of illegal drugs?

Why don't you delete posts by morons like Big Mick with all of his anger and egomaniacal attitude?

Why don't you delete postgs by socialists that people who love this country find offensive?

You know why, Joe. Because you are a puppet, that's why.

You just might be very busy here.

And yes, I think a thread about homosexual songs is dumb for a folk music sight. Made a comment or two about it and then I moved on. Sleepless Dad, the music threads have not been interesting to me much lately. So before you go ahead and lick Joe's colon with your report, I would suggest that you have too much time on your hands.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:54 PM

Your not feeling good about yourself,are you dear?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 09:58 PM

Does your wife know?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 10:04 PM

I'm sure none of us will tell her, but you should be truthful with her, dear. It's for the best.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 10:05 PM

Several times you have made up stories about one of our members being incontinent just because he uses a wheelchair. You have made up stories about me being on welfare (I am not on welfare... neither my husband nor I receive any financial assistance from the government whatever). You have made up stories about Wesley and his wife being heroin addicts. That is one of the most absurd accusations I've seen in a long time. These are all lies, Martin. It's you who is the social misfit. harpgirl has you pegged. You need to belittle everyone else because it's the only way you can feel good about yourself.

If I were to try to take a guess about you, my guess would be that you have at least one, possibly more than one learning disability that never got diagnosed (or at least that never got the proper attention), and that you never felt like you fit in with the people around you. So your way of dealing with it was to be the clown, and to mock people and belittle them and get some laughs from doing that so people would accept you and not make you feel like an outsider. If I were to take a guess, that's probably what it would be.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 10:09 PM

And it's so sad,dear. Really, we're all hoping you'll seek professional help. It shouldn't be too hard in Chicago.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 10:31 PM

I'm so gald you have someone, dear. Fred sounds like a nice boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Boab
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 10:40 PM

I think the main problem here is one which seems to be prevalent in the USA in particular. And I mean prevalent among REASONABLE people as well as the mindless shit-throwers. In the USA, I have noted, the majority of the folks don't seem to have the vaguest clue what it means to be "socialist". They are conditioned not only to spit venom at the mention of "Socialist", but also "Marxist" and "Communist". In ANY creed there is scope for those miscreants who would manipulate the current laws in furtherance of their own agendas. Nobody in North America, surely, has missed the recent spate of actions against just such skulduggery---and not furth of the borders of the USA! And those actions were made necessary because of some who saw a self-enhancing opportunity in the jungles of hardly-fettered capitalism. I never have been a political animal. And reading "between lines", I see like-minded contributers to this site. My role in civic society is guided by what I see as the MORALLy correct path. At least as much as the fair share of human frailties I'm 'cumbered with will allow. If someone points a finger and cries "socialist"!, then so be it. I have never been a member of any other party other than the Nationalist Party in my own Country, and that embraces all political colours.
If I see a human being in distress---even as a result of his own inadequacies---I hope I will always have the grace to stop, and try to help. I shall be rewarded by the improvement in their fortunes, or saddened by my own failure. But I will have a clear conscience. Is this "socialism", Martin?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 11:09 PM

Gee, Martin, you're almost as good at copy-paste as Shambles is. "What you believe in" has nothing to do with why your messages have been deleted - it's how you present your point of view. You do it in an intimidating, crude, combative manner.
Sorry, but that's not acceptable.
You've done better today, though. I deleted far fewer messages than yesterday. Still, you have your strange obsession with tampons, and I really can't let you go and tell some woman to get laid. There's no reason to attack peoples' sex lives, their disabilities or physical appearance, their spouses or children. None of that has anything to do with defending what you believe in.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 11:20 PM

Tell ya what, Martin...

You like to make these sweeping generalizations about folks here but guess what? You are wrong most of the time...

You think you are a some kind of folk hero? Bull... With the time you spend here spewing yer brand of bigotry and hatred there's no way that you can be tendin' to the art of being a folk hero...

So, I'm going on record here of challenging you to a "battle of the bands" 'cept there won't be no bands.... Yeah, big folk singer... You pick the joint half way between where you live and where I live and you and I will show with what we got...

Deal?

Hey, this is a folk music site, ain't it?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 11:55 PM

it's a funny situation...the greater the number of people who disagree with Martin, his attitude and his style, the more combative he gets. It's almost as if he equates all these negative posts with persecution of Jews in general. I wish I knew...(and I wish HE knew!)

To Martin: You arrived here as a 'guest', making crude remarks and insulting people from the beginning, and after you 'joined', you just got worse. What you do is different in kind and different in degree than others who sometimes push the envelope in their remarks, and THEY have been edited and/or deleted at times. It is amazing to me that you have been given as much slack as you have. I do not know why anyone feels the need to make the remarks you have usually, with little or no provocation. You know enough about music and other stuff, (even hot dog styles), to be a useful, but opinionated member, but you persist in seeing if you can set new records for being offensive. I guess you managed, and you are seeing what happens when you act up on someone else's turf, no matter HOW righteous you feel. Not much else to say...

to everyone else...ESPECIALLY anonymous guests who seem to delight in responding to Martin: You are not helping by giving him ammunition for more remarks. Some of the responses TO Martin are ripe for censorship themselves! Give it a rest and let him dig himself in deeper, if that's what he's bound to do!

I sure wish I knew how to get EVERYONE to see what this all looks like and just play nicely together, but the Age of the Internet has done strange things to our ways of relating, hmmm?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:05 AM

(me, I'm going off on vacation for a few days after tomorrow.....music and nice people....I hope most of this has blown over by the time I get home!)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: LadyJean
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:31 AM

Working my way down the list, I have to say it depends on how you do it.
Making fun of Jews can be anti social, if you're a Nazi. Or a full time career if you're Jerry Seinfeld.
Showing disrespect to the president can be anti social behavior if you're Lee Harvey Oswald, or a full time career, if you're any number of stand up comics.
Defending Marxism is an act of heroism if you're an ACLU lawyer, and a dirty deed if you are Lee Harvey Oswald.
Now I had a roommate at O.U. who was a serious drug user. Her behavior was annoying, sometimes seriously worrying. She was a world class pain in the derriere. But I would not call her behavior anti social. Sometimes it was entirely too social. Saturday and Sunday mornings I used to hone my detective skills helping to figure out where she'd been and what she'd done the night before. When she wasn't sober she wasn't picky about who she went to bed with, and she didn't always remember the next day.
In 1993 I broke my arm very badly. I was uninsured at the time, and wound up owing Shadyside Hospital $17000. I didn't have it. I didn't have any way of getting it. My sister deliberately put off settling our mother's estate until after the bill was settled. So I applied to the state for medical assistance, and got it. I don't have it now. But at the time, it settled a whopper of a debt, and got that *&^%!!! collection agency out of my life. I also have the use of my left arm, which makes it easier for me to earn my living. So I can't say I was sponging.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Stu
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:21 AM

Isn't ridiculing religion anti-social behavior?
......yes


...or no.

Bill Hicks? Monty Python? etc etc.

Just more of Martin's flamebait (to which I've just responded - doh!)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: kendall
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:47 AM

Anyone who is unable to say what they think without sinking into a vitriolic tirade aimed at another member has a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 08:38 AM

Now, why do you people keep paying attention to this guy? He is just desperately seeking the attention you all love to give him!

One of these guys , who is a bit of this, and a whole lot of that shows up here, and all the usual Mudcat suspects load up their shit throwers, and start playing the same old same old flame game with him.

Martin is your forum toy.. The too easy target of your liberal angst. Anyone who responds to him and plays along in kind is as bad as he is, but just uses "nice" language to say so.

That's what makes every single member posting here (and the forum moderators who tolerate Martin) such hypocrites. You claim to be holier than thou "nice" people, yet you play these passive aggressive games.

Martin Gibson isn't the only member who needs to grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 09:52 AM

Don't you get it, GUEST? The tables have turned. Martin is now the Village Fool, and it is the rest od us now who taunt him, hoping to see yet another of his famous reactions, or a [bleep](for antisocial behaviour).

It feels that way, folks - we shouldn't be proud of that. Let's leave the poor wretch alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 10:00 AM

Yes the very best thing we can do is ignore him completely.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 10:19 AM

Ignoring him is like trying not to crane your neck to get a glimpse of a car accident as you're driving by the scene of the wreck.

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 10:39 AM

Guest:

Those links are a complete crack up.

Your identification of passive-aggressiveness is interesting; it sounds like you are posing as Innocence Abused. If you had specifics, it would make a lot more sense.

I like the Howlers!! :D

A

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: kendall
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:28 PM

The ones who post under their own names are the grown ups.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:50 PM

"It was meant as nothing more than an opinion."
So, it's useless....

"you are operating on a double standard"
So what....

Isn't defending Marxism in america Anti-social behavior? No

Isn't ridiculing Jews anti-social behavior? Who cares...

Isn't ridiculing religion anti-social behavior? No!

Isn't sponging off the government anti-social behavior? What else is it there for?

Isn't spreading AIDS through homosexual contact anti-social behavior? Leave your sex life outa this...

Isn't ridiculing people with faith anti-social behavior? No

Isn't censorship itself anti-social behavior? No

Isn't not showing respect for a president anti-social behavior? F#ck NO!

Isn't using drugs and boasting about it anti-social behavior? Nope...

Isn't getting drunk and boasting about it anti-social behavior? Nope...

Isn't being a lying Mudcat Clone anti-social behavior? Who cares...

1. Is fomenting discord and anger within or amongst a group, antisocial? Nope... f#ck 'em

2. Is using the fowlest insults imaginable, antisocial? Not as bad as you rspelling...

3. Is making up a persona and hiding behind it in order to be verbally abusive, antisocial? Is declaring that you do not see yourself as a participant in an online community which you post in a dozen times a day, antisocial? What else is the internet for???

4. Is lying repeatedly about who you really are, antisocial? Catch me if you can...

5. Is withholding public kindness or empathy for the sad, antisocial? Again, f#ck 'em... the sad... cry me a fecking river!

6. Is lacking impulsive control, antisocial? Depends on what you do with it...

7. Is fowling your own nest, antisocial? Where else should fowls be, but in their nests?

Get a life folks... Martin Gibson ain't no thang...   Ain't no thing but a chicken-wing...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:26 PM

Actually, I have to give our Martin some credit here. This thread itself is probably the most socially responsible thing I've see him do. There is some thought content here. I happpen to think he's wrong in many of his points, but at least the approach is sort of responsible.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:47 PM

Oh, Clinton. Nice summary! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:12 PM

Don't lets give him too much credit, Dave- he's still an obnoxious a$$hole.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Swave N. Deboner
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:33 PM

Martin, c'mon man! Why are you so fuckin' hostile? You get your back up at the slightest indication that somebody doesn't agree with your point of view. Most of us here all agree that you, and every other damn person with a mind that's capable of forming a viewpoint, are entitled to it. But you, who supposedly upholds that same principle, damn sure have a shitty way of showing it. Do you agree with Dubya, going around the country, spouting off about his Social Security plan, and attempting to bring pressure to bear by implying that anyone (in Congress) who doesn't support his plan will face political consequences? He may as well be saying, "You better agree with me, or else." I damn sure don't respect that. I suppose you think that the Democratic members of Congress are all anti-social, unless they cow-tow to that sawed off prick. If you are anything in real life like you present yourself to be in this forum, then you certainly are anti-social, but that's just my opinion.

SND

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:48 PM

"You get your back up at the slightest indication that somebody doesn't agree with your point of view"

Then you misunderstand MG... He's here, like a 4 year old, to poke the ant-hill that is Mudcat, to watch the inhabitants scramble around, tripping over each other to tell him what a horrible person he is...

He pokes this place, because you people are so easily riled, and so entertaining in your stupidity when you are riled...

As I said above, he ain't no thing... Unless you LET him be a thing...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:17 PM

And Clinton, you are one of the biggest ants!

Good call!

It has been quite a riot at times, especially the Guests who are obviously regulars getting so bent out of shape.

The guest though who above said "That's what makes every single member posting here (and the forum moderators who tolerate Martin) such hypocrites. You claim to be holier than thou "nice" people, yet you play these passive aggressive games.

Martin Gibson isn't the only member who needs to grow up."


This guest is not related to me nor have I paid him or her off to say such truth. Some of you who think they are such hot shit, just ain't and I have been enjoying tell you so. That group is just not that nice and I know that they think they are the Mudcat elite. But, as I have been saying, you sure can stink up a room pretty bad, especially a church or a synagogue.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:22 PM

Love is all he said!...Love is all!
May the Lord Bless each one of you in your anger, your annoyance, your lack of understanding........
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:40 PM

For sure, eh? :-) Rock on, dudes. There is nothing a professional chain-puller likes better than a damned good reaction every time he pulls the chain, and that requires someone willing to provide it.

Kind of like professional wrestling. You have your obligatory "bad guys" and they are there simply to get the audience all riled up and keep the show going. Andy Kaufman really got into making the most of that for a while. It's exactly like poking a stick into an anthill.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:42 PM

I think you're overworking the Lord on that one, Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:44 PM

Anthills are for children.

Web forums are for adults who get a kick out being like a child once in a while.

Let's get ready to rummmmmmble!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:46 PM

... The Sounds of Silence.....

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:51 PM

Being like a child once in a while is good for the health, I think.

Bill, you are mistaken. God can handle all that without even blinking an "eye". :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:15 PM

Well, LH, if one is going to be poking a stick into anthills, one shouldn't be surprised if, from time to time, one discovers hundreds of angry fire ants up one's pants, embedding their stingers into ones tender bits. (Occupational hazards and all that... )

:-0

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:20 PM

how will we know if He does, Little Hawk? How do we know he isn't just amused by it all? ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:21 PM

Carol C.

simple insect repeelant works for that.


Wesley S., that's the name of the old Simon and Garfunkel song I was trying to remember.

See, you are capable of something when you wake up and smell the coffee.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:21 PM

Zzzzzzzzz.........

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:25 PM

As I thought, Wesley.

deaf, dumb, and blind. ever think of changing your name to Tommy?

Your response is somewhat entertaining.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:33 PM

You underestimate fire ants, Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:37 PM

People at mudcat aren't fire ants... I'd be more concerned about the viciousness of gummy-worms...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:42 PM

Fire ants are known to sit at the table with you in trailer parks.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:43 PM

See now, Clinton, you are capable of being funny. But you are, after all, Canadian, so you have an advantage there.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:43 PM

Zzzzzz.......

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:45 PM

I can be very funny, if I choose to be...

:-P

Heh

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 05:35 PM

I guess the only way to know for SURE would be to become God, Bill.

How does a fish know what the ocean is thinking about? Does the ocean worry about the fish? Does the ocean get mad if the fish doesn't worship it or believe in it? Does the sky get mad at the little gray cloud that decided to rain?

Naw....only people get mad at the little gray cloud, because they have a frikkin' agenda, and not much patience either. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 06:59 PM

Said one fire ant to the other fire ant after they both bit Martin Gibson in the balls, "Bleaugh!! Now there is a bitter man!"

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:06 PM

ya' know...I agree with all that, LH...and since I DON'T know, I choose not to speculate and toss prayers and pleas for 'blessings' about as if I could expect that my little wishes would affect it all.

I don't know what's out there-
I don't know if anything knows I'm down here-
I don't know how 'it' could affect me if either of 'us' knew about each other-
I see no obvious pattern to events that would enlighten me so I could know---
I see all those who DO claim to know taking widely divergent positions and arguing with each other....and unlike the Red Queen, I can't bring myself to believe six impossible (or contradictory) things before breakfast.

There used to be a political party in the US called "The Know-Nothings". Maybe we need it back   ;>))

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Leadfingers
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:36 PM

Is It anti - social to post the Hundredth addition to a thread ??

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:39 PM

Number 100

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:40 PM

Dang! You beat me to the draw, Lead..

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Ron Davies
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:00 AM

Kendall hit it dead on (12:28 PM) on this thread.



It would be truly fascinating to see just how many of his wonderful contributions the courageous iconoclast (look it up, "Martin")---( in his own mind)-- behind "Martin Gibson" would make if he had to sign his own name to them. Who knows, we might be lucky--he'd stop the vile postings---- (see Carol C's post of 30 Mar 2005 9:45 PM, a great summary of his MO)---and content himself with the disgusting ones. That would be progress.

Anonymity can be, as it is for some, a shelter from a possibly cruel and even dangerous world. Or it can be a screen to hide behind and hurl vicious and revolting remarks at passersby, secure in the knowledge--until the advent yesterday of the "bleep regime" --that the poster will never have to take any responsibility for anything he says. No question where "Martin" fits in here.

One thing however-- there is no doubt that "Martin" is synonomous with "common snese" (sic)---(see his own comments on Proud Citizen thread).

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: dianavan
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 01:17 AM

Gee Martin, the following seems to be a pretty good description of your most honored and respected leader, GWB. He's not worthy of anyone's respect and it worries me that you and others give this bully so much power.


The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder include:

A. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since the age of 15 years as indicated by at least three of:

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviours as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. reckless disregard for the safety of self or others;
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behaviour or honour financial obligations;
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalising having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

B. The individual is at least 18 years of age.

C. There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.

D. The occurrence of antisocial behaviour is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Stu
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 04:08 AM

Can I be a leaf-cutter ant please?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 04:31 AM

Ron Davies,

for info: "iconoclast" is of course a Greek word, meaning literally "icon breaker", as the second part of the word means "to break" in ancient/Byzantine Greek. In contemporary Greek however, it means "to break wind". So in contemporary language, an iconoclast is someone who farts at icons.

Apt, I thought 8-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Ron Davies
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 06:08 AM

As far as respect for a president goes, this "president" has yet to earn it. It begins to look doubtful that he will. The only thing he has proven so far is that, rather than being the gibbering idiot portrayed often on Mudcat, he is in fact a brilliant demogogue, in the grand tradition of one in Germany in the 20's and 30's--perhaps you've heard of him, "Martin"?--along the lines of "The US is crawling with terrorists and homosexuals--and be sure to watch out for those homosexual terrorists".

Perhaps closer to home, a role model could have been Father Coughlin--not Huey Long--Huey actually had some good ideas, and was a real complex character.

Sorry for the thread creep.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 06:13 AM

Bill D.........We've known each other here for over six years and I don't know why I should be surprised that I could have written your last post almost verbatim (I'd not thought of the Queen ref).

BTW, in one of Carlin's recent routines he talks about now praying to Joe Pesci with about the same results as he had before.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 06:46 AM

I want Leadfingers 100th post to this thread removed! It is totally irresponsible to post like that on a thread such as this!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 08:28 AM

I'm with Flamenco Ted. If Leadfinger's 100th post is removed, then MINE will be number 100! Yippeee!

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 02:00 PM

Isn't not showing respect for a president anti-social behavior?

Seems to me that the folks who complain the loudest about not showing respect for Dubya are the ones who showed no respect at all for Clinton.

Showing disrespect for the Prez when he's not your guy isn't just not anti-social, it's the national pastime.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 05:23 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]Ron davies, you are a big man in your own mind because you sign your name to your posts.

All of the Guests here know that.

Tell me, do you take pills for your arrogance? They just don't make them strong enough, do they?

What a joke you are and always have been here. a perfect target for me on oh so many occasions!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-social behavior
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 05:39 PM

Well, then you owe Ron, Martin. :-) Think of all the enjoyment he has provided for you. What do you plan to do in return?