BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace

Subject: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 10:23 AM

From ABC.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 10:27 AM

Here is hoping her parents and siblings finally finds the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: GUEST,Saulgoldie
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 10:38 AM

May she finally have the peace that her family worked so hard to deny her. I suspect that they will never allow themselves peace.

I find this whole thing tragic beyond words. The only good thing is that it has put the issue of heroic treatment on the lips of everyone, and that many people have made or are making plans to ensure that the same thing will will not happen to them by filling out the appropriate paperwork and making sure it gets filed and otherwise handled.

RIP, Terri. And peace to her husband, too, finally.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:11 AM

The parents have personally petitioned George W Bush and the Pope to bring Terry back to life.
The Pope's response was unitelligible due to his feeding tube.
George's response was simply unitelligible.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:15 AM

edit- unintelligible :)

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:22 AM

When one of the first threads appeared here I responded to "How Will Terri Schiavo Die?"........and now I will repost exactly what I said then as it came, sadly, true..............Publicly, on display, and without the simple respect we could have afforded her. She will be a spectacle and a cause of a people virtually without values and now, forever, without grace...of which I am sad to be a member..............

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:26 AM

RIP. Please.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:27 AM

You are all absolutely right. And thank you Donuel, for the announcement. It's a couple of days late, but hell, those Right to Lifers are grassroots, so we gotta cut 'em some slack on that raising from the dead thing.

Pathetically, I don't think Michael Schiavo will be finding any peace this week. He still has autopsy hysteria, cremation hysteria, and death threats to him, his partner, their children, and their relatives to worry about.

With this spectacle, I am deeply ashamed to call myself an American.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:28 AM

She certainly got her fifteen minutes of fame, didn't she; pity she was not around to enjoy it.

Rest in peace and go on to better things, lass. The circus is over.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:37 AM

I don't expect it will get any easier for her husband any time soon. The final disposition of her remains and her estate loom. But she has finally broken free, and that's what he was working for, so I hope he feels some relief for that reason.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:43 AM

Quite true Guest. The hysteria to come will include violence and unhearalded abusrdity that will rival the unprecedented Cnngressional vote and Bush vacation ending signing of the Schiavo bill.

possible examples:

Terry's feeding tube on ebay.

$19.99 Terry tube yellow bracelets (to suppport God's right to make us suffer)

Whack job Jerry Wallfell murders Michael for right to Life cause.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: kendall
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:13 PM

Free at last

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:20 PM

Can we have our government and media back now?

But seriously, I am so happy for this embarressing chapter in American politics to finally be over... And I'm happy for her husband as well as her parents...

But most of all, I am happy for Terri's spirit...

May it now rest in eternal peace...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Peace
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:32 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:37 PM

From GUEST 11:27
With this spectacle, I am deeply ashamed to call myself an American.

GUEST, you haven't had the guts to call yourself anything. This is a truly unfortunate situation, but it is a VERY American thing and nothing new to those who know enough about their country and its people:

1) Concern over an issue that gets publicized out of all proportion.
2) Self analyzation and flagellation over the excesses of 1).
3) A lot of practical good coming out of a bad situation.
4) The non-involvement of the central character.

I remember reading that Oscar Wilde was visiting the US at the time Jesse James was killed and noted in his diary that interested crowds had totally broken up his house for souvenirs.

Your other comments GUEST I quite agree with including Donuel's bit of clever satire.

Robo - A Proud American (No Matter How Much It Hurts)

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:41 PM

Finally!

Now maybe the rest of the world can SHUT UP about it!

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: artbrooks
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:45 PM

Unfortunately, it is probably far from over. I expect the "wrongful death" lawsuit, and likely a criminal complaint, will be filed against Mr. Schiavo by the Schindlers within the week.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: robomatic
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:04 PM

1) I apologize to everyone on this threa: That GUEST 12:37 post bitching about someone else's GUEST post was me. I regard incompetence as worse than cowardice, so I've got my (metaphorical) tail between my legs here.

2) Michael Schiavo had already announced that Terri would be autopsied, I'm wondering if that is related to his expectation as art indicates above, that he will be involved in civil litigation.

3) Considering how often this subject has already gone to the courts, on what basis could the Schindlers file suit against Michael Schiavo?

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:09 PM

yes amos,the circus is over!now if all the animals,freaks and clowns would just go home!

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:11 PM

i am the recent Guest, who said all the freaksd,clowns and animals should go home...i am tarheel!aka,chuck hemrick

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:11 PM

congratulations to donuel, who is so happy this woman died and people who care about life are upset.

With her death, you support murder of the innocent and sanctioned euthanasia.

sorry she wasn't worthy of life to you exterminators.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:17 PM

Yaaawwwnnn.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 01:25 PM

Robo--it could end up in courts for the very reasons the rest of it did--the parents didn't have a grasp of the reality of the situation. Which is why I found it extremely ironic that early in the week there were quite a few headlines that pronounced that the Schindler's were "dealing with reality."

What I find so appalling, and seems to be the one thing that I didn't see said outloud (while admitting that I didn't read every angry negative article about this case) that the whole incident was treated like a death penalty case. As if this was Carla Fay Tucker all over again. As if these appeals were conducted because her husband was willfully putting a rational person to death with impunity. The idea that so many doctors and rational intelligent people in the hospice saw the truth of her condition, yet the Bushes, the U.S. Congress, and in the end even Jessie Jackson and various and sundry others acted as if those same intelligent people would let him "excecute" his wife if there was a glimmer of hope.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:02 PM

The Schindlers have already proved that they have no interest in winning really, which is why they so successfully abused the legal system and the nation with their plight.

Remember, they didn't need a LEGITIMATE basis to keep abusing the system. That's why we call it abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:08 PM

The circus is far from over; maybe in the center ring, but the acts in the other two have only just begun.

She may be gone, but the bullshit marches on, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:28 PM

And she apparently had the audacity to die AFTER her parents left the room, and with her husband instead.

Which has truly pissed off Randall Terry, the anti-abortion nut, no end. Think of the propaganda value had she died on Easter...or with her mummy...

But that she held out and took her last breath in the presence of her husband?

Well, now that won't do at all for the Right to Lifers.

RAndall Terry is already screaming at the media that it is ALL MICHAEL'S FAULT she died with him, and that he DENIED THE SCHINDLERS THIS LAST MOMENT WITH HER FAMILY.

Sure looks to me like she died with her TRUE family present.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:30 PM

" the bullshit marches on"

It will as long as people keep talking about it anyway...

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:32 PM

It'll keep up as long as anyone can garner "political capital," or use it to their own enrichment.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 02:52 PM

I hope we can get that GD Tom DeLay out of office next time, what a bastard:

"This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change," the Texas Republican said. "The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today. Today we grieve, we pray, and we hope to God this fate never befalls another."

I feel sorry for her husband. This is even a worse fiasco than the Elian Gonzales case and that was bad.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:08 PM

Guests, i don't know if you are one and the same but you probably are.

If you call loving your child anything but a legitimate reason you are obvviously not a parent and hopefully will never be.

and if you call a husband like hers who was already common law married to another woman with 2 children her real family instead of her parents and siblings, you are a wacko and a fool.

she died with her killer, phyically and mentally.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: RichM
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:18 PM

How wonderful to see that you on both sides, are all convinced you were right.
King Solomon could take lessons from you!


Please, stick to folk music, and leave ethics to the ethicists.

I don't have the answers either; and I'm not wise enough to attempt to convert anyone's viewpoint.

Those of you who consider this situation a victory for -whatever!...it makes me shake my head .

Have some compassion---for all people involved in Terry Schiavo's struggle.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:28 PM

Oh, but RichM, don't you realize that liberal minded folksingers think they have thee answer to everything that is wrong in the world and if someone like myself who loves American folk and bluegrass music challanges that, they seem to suffer from constipation.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:35 PM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:38 PM

Hey Wesley S. maybe it's time for you to take an upper or some speed so you won't miss someone's exciting post.

don't fall asleep and be so boring, OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:45 PM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.........

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 03:51 PM

Looks like Wesley might have smoked too much. Heh. Heh


Oh wesley, wake up, your mammy's calling you.

Wesssssssssllllllllllleeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, rise and shine. Pull up your socks, pull up your jocks

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:08 PM

it seems an autopsy is planned, but there is some dispute as to whether it will resolve ALL questions and end the debate.

Experts say that they will probably see serious loss of brain cells and deterioration, but people will still argue about 'soul' and 'life' and such. All I can say is, fifteen years is a pretty long time.

I do wonder if one of the more incensed protesters will try to harm her husband. Some of them do have some convoluted ideas about when it is ok to take a life.

I hope both families will get some rest, relief and peace soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: LilyFestre
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:50 PM

Hey Martin,

   Just a question for you...food for thought...

   Suppose something horrible happened to your wife and she was on life support. Let's say that you and she had a private conversation where she told you that she would want to stay on life support, no matter what. You agreed and promised to never take the life support away from her.

    Enter her parents with an entirely different viewpoint. They want the plug pulled. They don't believe in life support or some version of that song.

    As her husband, don't you think you should be granted the right to make that decision for your wife, the one who you spoke with and KNEW what she wanted?

   I know that you think there was foul play involved with Terri Schiavo and maybe there was, I don't know. I just wonder sometimes what folks would do if they were put into that situation. Would you honor your wife's wishes or let her family take over?

I think it's a tough call and I don't envy any of them. I wonder if Terri could hear the bickering and the fighting and the hatred that was/is going on and what her feelings were. I think it's a tragedy for everyone involved.

   Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:51 PM

Hearing is the last faculty to go...

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: artbrooks
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 04:56 PM

FWIW: my wife and I have discussed our end-of-life wishes with each other and have let our children know what they are...and they are not the same. We have also gone the step that the Schiavos should have taken; we have living wills, signed and notorized. However, we have never discussed these plans with our parents - we feel that we are closer to each other and to our children at this phase in our lives. Contemplate the possibility, difficult as this may be for those who want to impose their own opinions upon others, that Mr. Schiavo has been absolutely correct regarding his wife's wishes all along.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 05:05 PM

Lilyfestr, my wife and I each have a living, written will.

It's a moot question, really.

But if it should happen to you, I hope your husband wasn't living with another woman for 10 years and had two kids by her in a bygamist relationship and was capable of calling the shots.

I would think the people who were your real blood relatives would supercede a phony marriage that existed between Michael and Terri Schiavo. He didn't care and for him, she was better off dead.

Welcome to a the world of execution by convenience. Who's next, maybe a kid hooked up to a tube with cerabral palsy?

There is a group called "Not Dead Yet." who is just starting to get heard on this issue.

Question is will there be precedent or repurcussions. for the sake of living people, I hope the latter.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 05:16 PM

For those who have been following the Terri Schiavo drama through various threads and by watching and reading the news, this latest thread is an expression of relief that Terri Schaivo's unnatural existence has been resolved. She couldn't help herself, so her closest loved one, someone to whom she tied her welfare and who put her first, did it for her.

For those not interested in the subject, one wonders why you bother to post here? It won't make the BS section of the 'Cat go away and it interrupts the conversation. And for those who don't want to stay on subject but who find pleasure in searching for and attacking others in as crude and hurtful a manner as possible, I will offer the following: be careful what you wish for, because you might just get it. Think about what you wished for Terry Schiavo. Pergatory. Existence beyond the 15 years she has already spent as the living dead. I don't suggest this for anyone's children, just you, so leave them out of it. Think about yourself in that same condition.

There are long odds that this thread can continue with thoughtful expressions regarding this case, now that MG has decided to gift us with his presence. Once again he has shit in the water and everyone is now obligated to get out of the pool.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 05:32 PM

You guys jes' don't seem to understand the workings of faith-based medicine (and law, too, for that matter.)

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 05:56 PM

This adulterous murderer who has the gonads to call himself a husband should be prosecuted for murder and be the defendant in a wrongful death suit. He must not be allowed to enjoy the fruits of his criminal actions by living a happy life with that wench of a girlfriend and the two illegitimate children that he fathered with her out of wedlock. And if some crazo decides to put a bullet through his head I hope that President Bush will pardon the person who does it. He is a blight upon this great country and all that it stands for. I only hope that the HMOs and insurance companies do not try to use this miscarriage of justice as a precedent to avoid paying the hospital bills for those of us such as myself who wish to prolong our lives as much as possible by any and all artificial means, no matter how many tubes or respirators they have to hook us up to in order to accomplish that. Remember, there is no dignity in death, only in life. That is my sermon for the day. For those of you who do not like it I am sure that Martin Gibson will have a few choice words for you. I am proud to say that he and I think alike on this subject.
                                           SOL ZELLER

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 06:02 PM

Rabbi Sol, my hope for you is that your wishes with regard to prolonging your own life by artificial means (or however you want to describe it), will be honored exactly as you have expressed them. That is my hope for everyone... that their own wishes about how they want to be treated under such circumstances will be honored above all other considerations.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 06:03 PM

"And if some crazo decides to put a bullet through his head I hope that President Bush will pardon the person who does it."


Spoken like a man of god. Excuse me if I don't use a capitol G in your presense. God would be insulted that you claim to work for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 06:04 PM

There can be great dignity in death. You, on the otherhand are an abomination to the living. You are in good company with Martin. Two totally sick puppies. Bow wow.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: Once Famous
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 06:07 PM

thank you Rabbi.


SRS, you should leave and get out of the pool. There are people of great faith here who have things to say on the subject.

You and Wesley S. both. or please just doze off with him.

thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 06:12 PM

Some people of great faith don't consider the death of the body to be the death of the soul. And so for those people (me included), there is dignity in death as well as in life. Just flip sides of the same coin.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 06:17 PM

"Allowed to die..."

After two weeks without nourishment or liquids, that's what generally happens to people.

A lot of anger in this thread. I think that kind of thing generally means people are a bit scared to think that just possibly they might be wrong.

I think it's always important to keep that thought in your mind - "I might be wrong." It gets in the way of the kind of hatred that's been so apparent in this tragic case, here on the Mudcat as well as elsewhere..