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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST Date: 31 Mar 05 - 06:21 PM Meanwhile in Iraq, on death row etc...no right to life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 31 Mar 05 - 06:50 PM MR Zeller { since I'm finding it hard to believe that you actually are a Rabbi } - I await your passages in the Torah that support your position. I look forward to reading them. I don't believe you can support your views with any words from a holy book. I'm waiting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Bobert Date: 31 Mar 05 - 06:59 PM The Taliban is alive and well here in Mudville.... All both of them... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Bill D Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:10 PM ......first you stick the dart in the wall where you want it, then you draw the bullseye around it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:11 PM The Taliban...You mean that sense of absolute belief that their way of seeing things was unquestionably right, and no disagreement could be tolerated? True, there seems a lot of that about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:13 PM So, for a woman who has been brain dead for 15 years in Florida, the president's condolences are immediate. 10 people dead in a school shooting on a poor rural reservation...condolences take about a week. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:37 PM C'mon "Rabbi" - still waiting. Chapter and verse please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Mar 05 - 07:42 PM As a reminder that this is not an issue on which people on the left are all lined up on one side, here's a link to a powerful piece by Nat Hentoff a couple of days ago in the Village Voice. And I've just been listening to George Galloway, about the most left-wing MP, expelled from the Labour Party for opposiong the war in Iraq making the same points on BBC Question Time - there's a video link of it here for the next week. My point is, treating this as a purely partisan political issue is unworthy, whoever does it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Mar 05 - 08:17 PM I don't see Mr. Zeller or Mr. Gibson as "deeply" anything except offensive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Greg F. Date: 31 Mar 05 - 08:20 PM Rabbi? Chas v'cholileh! Those sentiments are more at home in the mouth of an Eichmann or a Mengele and more appropriate to a Sobibor than a shul. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Mar 05 - 08:23 PM Terri Schiavo's final moments with husband ALLEN G. BREED, Associated Press PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - Her breathing labored and quick, her skin mottled with red splotches, Terri Schiavo spent her final moments clinging to one of her beloved stuffed animals. Michael Schiavo was at her side, in the same hospice where he has spent every night since his wife's feeding tube was removed two weeks ago. It became clear early Wednesday morning that the 41-year-old woman was entering the last stage of her life. Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, arrived at the hospice around 10:30 a.m. that day and, uncharacteristically, didn't leave. At some point Wednesday evening, Terri Schiavo's breathing became very labored and "we thought the end might be near," said Felos, himself a hospice volunteer. A hospice worker repositioned Schiavo, and that eased her breathing, Felos said. Michael Schiavo, the only man Teresa Marie Schindler ever dated, spent the night in a small room down the hall from his wife's, as he had every night for the past two weeks. When his wife's family wanted to visit her, he would leave her room - as he did at 7 a.m. Thursday. This detente worked reasonably well until 8:45 a.m., when hospice officials asked Bobby Schindler and his sister, Suzanne Vitadamo, to leave the room while they did an assessment. At that point, a clearly distraught Schindler got into an argument with one of the officers guarding the room, Felos said. "We want to be in the room when she dies," the Rev. Frank Pavone, a family supporter, quoted Bobby Schindler as saying. Felos said the husband's "overriding concern here was to provide for Terri a peaceful death with dignity" and rejected Schindler's request to be present with a police escort. Around this same time, hospice workers went to Michael Schiavo and told him if he wanted to see his wife before she died, "You'd better come right now." Michael Schiavo cradled his wife as she clutched a stuffed tabby cat under one of her cold and horribly contracted arms. Looking on were Felos, another attorney, Michael Schiavo's brother, Brian, and several of the hospice workers who had cared for her during her five-year stay there. A bouquet of white lilies and roses perfumed the room. Around 9 a.m., Terri Schiavo was dead. Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, were not on the hospice grounds. After some time, Michael Schiavo left and allowed the Schindler family to visit with her body. He told them they could take any item from the room that they wanted. When the Schindlers left, hospice workers bathed Terri Schiavo's body. Michael went to see her one last time before turning her over to the medical examiner for an autopsy. As she lay on a medical examiner's gurney, about 40 hospice workers formed a circle around her and held their own remembrance. Around 11 a.m., as protesters outside the hospice gathered around to hear word of her death, two vans slipped out of the hospice grounds, each in a different direction. The person they had fought so hard for had gone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: robomatic Date: 31 Mar 05 - 08:47 PM Rabbi Sol: Glad to see you back after a long absence, but sorry to see you haven't moderated your view which sounds to me based more on your own worst suspicions and not on the facts of this sad situation. If you are indeed a rabbi, do you not see that a lot of people are in similar situations to Terri? Without the publicity, their relatives will fare somewhat better than either side of this case. To call for harm on Michael Schiavo is a pretty serious moral failing. I'd like you to think that over and possibly come back here one more time. Please |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: dianavan Date: 31 Mar 05 - 09:02 PM Marin Gibson = Rabbi Sol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: goodbar Date: 31 Mar 05 - 09:42 PM goddammit i'm so fucking glad she's dead now. christ. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST,emily s Date: 31 Mar 05 - 10:18 PM A word to everyone thinking a living will is enough...It may not be. I heard a rabid guy on Democracy Now (radio show) saying that many hospitals are tending to ignore the living wills these days and that everyone should have a durable power of attorney so that someone is there on your behalf making the decisions. It's also very important to share your wishes with your family, apparently your whole family. Heck, maybe everyone should start mailing copies of their living wills to their congressmen, Tom Effing Delay and Bush. Seriously, look into the durable power of attorney, maybe it would be called a medical power of attorney. My attorney also advised making a short, to the point video stating your wishes. She said the courts would have a very hard time ignoring a video that showed clear mind and sincerity. I'm not an attorney, I'm just relating what I've heard and been told. Emily |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Once Famous Date: 31 Mar 05 - 10:38 PM I assure you dianastain that I am not Rabbi Sol, though I do know for sure that he is definately a well respected Rabbi in his community. Him and I are not the only ones who believe what we do and Wesley, please stop challanging him and worry about why priests are best known in this country for fondling little boys in their homosexual cults. Please explain that to me. I'm waiting. Greg F., I find your comments comparing the Rabbi to Eichmann and Mengele quite offensive and I think your behavior toward this man is both offensive and anti-social. I call for Joe to delete this as abusive and completely anti-social and I am going to PM him and ask him to remove it. It is a complete double standard here if it is not and shows how foolish and ignorant someone like Greg F. can be to make such an anti-semitic comment like he did. Seems like there's more than a few here who really don't practice what they preach when it comes to not liking things they hear when it's not their narrow little liberal train of thought. I read a lot of Jewish periodicals. It's time some of them were notified of the rampant anti-semitsm that exists on web forums and particularly on Mudcat. Time for the big expose, pals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:02 PM Martin Gibson said: I call for Joe to delete this as abusive and completely anti-social and I am going to PM him and ask him to remove it. Pot, meet kettle. This thread wasn't about you, Martin Gibson, but you've once again brought all of the attention to yourself. This need for attention has nothing to do with your religion--that's just one way you try to bludgeon people into not responding fully to your calculated attacks--anyone touches that "jewish" aspect you try to bring to your misbehavior and it's suddenly an anti-semitic jew-bashing post. You rely on the politeness of others to not cross into bashing a religion while you attack strategically from that very convenient position. You are simply so full of shit, and the fact that you keep getting away with it is I'm sure a great pleasure to you but it drives the people nuts who still feel somewhat obligated to fight fair and try to maintain some civil discourse. If you're a "good Jew," Martin, then I'm the pope. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:05 PM Zzzzzzzzzzz............. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Once Famous Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:11 PM I don't have to prove I'm a good Jew to you SRS. And the Pope will never be a woman, thank God, especially a woman like yourself. I drive you nuts? Or do you drive yourself nuts? Or were you always so? And watch your profanity, Lady. It's anti-social and not becoming of a lady which you should try to be. Profanity is supposed to be bleeped, right Joe? Why is this bimbo getting away with it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:16 PM C'mon "Rabbi" - still waiting. Chapter and verse please. C'mon - Please ??? And please don't take this as a personal attack. It's the ideas you expound that I have a problem with. Unlike others here I won't hit below the belt and wish your children dead or poke fun at a handicap. Man to man. Lets talk about ideas. Without the "Capt Poopypants" mentality that your friend has. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Once Famous Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:20 PM Don't bother, Rabbi.
This guy is clueless and just feels sorry for himself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 31 Mar 05 - 11:36 PM Here is a cut and paste from Martin - "I hope all of you who do not agree that her parents have no say get to watch your child die before your eyes, also. Deal with that." End quote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Ebbie Date: 01 Apr 05 - 01:07 AM It occurs to me that if I were to judge Jews by the two that we have here at the moment, I *would* be a rabid anti-Semite. However, I don't. Jews are no worse - or better - than anyone else, and if we needed evidence of that, we have it in the persons of a number of honorable and talented and decent Jews on the Mudcat. Elva Bontrager |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Boab Date: 01 Apr 05 - 04:27 AM The lady is dead. She probably has been so for a long, long time as far as being in this world is concerned. I feel sorry for every family member in this case. Her Husband--AND his "commonlaw wife". All of her immediate family---father, mother and siblings.Who are we---or anybody not connected---to state what feelings are appropriate in a case like this? There are those who should feel shame at their own reactions and behaviour over this sad episode; but I'm fairly certain that the pukes I have in mind are hardly likely to feel ashamed, having proved their lack of humanity or Love for their fellow-man in the very recent past. The greatest shame lies in the fact that this very situation is played out DAILY in medical establishments and private homes all over this Earth, and not one hypocritical politico or jump-on-the-bandwagon 'pro-lifer" has even hinted at knowledge of that simple fact. Terri is now at peace. Perhaps she should have been allowed to pass on a long time ago. The God who is Love lays his hand on all of us at last, and no matter the circumstances of our passing, it is ALWAYS a mercy---and the easiest thing each of us ever experiences. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Big Mick Date: 01 Apr 05 - 06:58 AM Bring the expose on. Then we can show the Jewish community how two of its representatives behave here. They will arrive at the same conclusion that most here have. And their response would be the same. May she rest in peace. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Ron Davies Date: 01 Apr 05 - 07:12 AM So now it's reported that Tom DeLay (that paragon of virtue) is saying the judiciary is out of control. The report I heard said he was implying the Supreme Court should be impeached (at least those who didn't vote the way he wanted on this case). Go to it, Tom. Should be interesting. Sorry for the thread creep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: artbrooks Date: 01 Apr 05 - 07:33 AM Please don't assume that the two self-professed representatives of the Jewish religion and people are the only Jews present. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Greg F. Date: 01 Apr 05 - 07:34 AM Well, Ron, the BuShites are used to having the Supremes do their bidding- as in 2000. So of course its going to piss DeLay et.al. off when they don't roll over on command. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: the lemonade lady Date: 01 Apr 05 - 08:20 AM Why did the Vatican say it was wrong to remove her feeding tube? Doesn't that intervene with nature. Doesn't contraception intervene with nature? Am I saying what I think I'm saying? Sal |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 05 - 08:37 AM I think the Vatican said what it did about the feeding tube for two reasons. 1) That position had the support of the US Right to Life movement, and 2) they were prepared to use feeding tubes to keep the pope artificially alive. I see from McGrath's links that he is on the Schindler side of hysteria mongering about death. It sounds to me as if Michael Schiavo had it all well under control, and that his wife did, in the end, die the way we all would like to go. Peacefully slipped away. He certainly fought the good fight for her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Big Mick Date: 01 Apr 05 - 08:47 AM Art, my post doesn't indicate that I think only two Jewish folks are here. It just speaks to these two. I believe that any reasonable person, Jewish or otherwise, could only arrive at the same conclusion. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Wesley S Date: 01 Apr 05 - 08:54 AM Ditto to what Mick said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: saulgoldie Date: 01 Apr 05 - 09:03 AM Please note that neither MG nor RS should be the basis for any sweeping generalizations about Jews than Timothy McVeigh should be for Christians, or even, dare I say, Osama Bin Laden the basis for assessment of ALL Muslims. And now, back to the topic at hand. If this travesty had happened 50 years ago, she would have died very quickly and without fanfare. It should also be noted (as many here have) that cases of patients being allowed to die without heroic, unnatural intervention happen allthetime without fanfare or 24-hour news coverage whether or not there is any real "news" and certainly without all manner of legislative, executive, and judicial interference. In order to spare my relatives and cherished friends the pain and suffering experienced by Michael Schiavo, I will very shortly find and fill out all the necessary papers and filings so that any and all of the entities who should know of my wishes knows and is obliged to respect my wishes. I am astounded, too (but not altogether surprised, to tell you the truth) that most of the major pontificators on this matter fully endorse the war in Iraq, capital punishment, the wholesale slaughter of nature's other species, while simultaneously denouncing the right of everyone to adequate medical care so that they DON'T end up critical and vegetative. All of this (and many other "life" issues) reminds me that humanity has achieved the tools for interference with nature's will faster than it has achieved the moral sense to deal with it. BTW, now as ever, personal attacks in the place of thoughtful and logical arguments do not enhance the discussion; they only reflect on the maker of such "points." Remember that a good argument from an idiot is no less valid because it does not come from a genius. Similarly, a genius can make specious arguments that make him or her sound the fool. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Apr 05 - 09:28 AM Feeding is not medical treatment. Anyone who is deprived of nourishment and liquid is going to die. The term "allowed to die" in this context is a very creative use of language, but I feel "caused to die" is a more accurate way of putting it. Hysteria is catching, but, as saulgoldie said there, it does not pay any useful part in discussion. What it does do, of course, is provide a mechanism for changing the subject, and enable a move to the possibly more comfortable territory of personalised squabbling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: robomatic Date: 01 Apr 05 - 09:44 AM Taking nourishment in concentrated form through a tube penetrating the skin and stomach walls most certainly requires medical intervention. The Catholic Church is on both sides of this issue. It is consistent with Catholic values and practice to suspend treatment that will sustain bodily function when that is ALL it will sustain. Last night on PBS Newshour with Jim Lehrer they trotted out Father Richard John Neuhaus to make the case for the Schindler's side. He misrepresented the condition of Terri as if she was disabled. He is also the apologist that was trotted out four years ago to defend the Catholic hierarchy against the growing accusations of covering up priestly abuse. I heard this morning that the Pope has decided not to go to hospital in this his latest bout with life threatening health problems. His obtaining sustenance through a feeding tube is in aide of his mental facilities and comfort level, and a far cry from keeping the heart ticking for 15 years on a body whose mind has long since 'left the building'. Nevertheless it is apparent that there is already a limitation to how far they are going to take 'heroic' measures in his treatment. And mentally he has a lot more going on than Terri did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 05 - 09:49 AM According to the doctors, a feeding tube, which requires surgery, is a medical treatment. Hydration, which requires an IV, is a medical treatment. Belief that medical procedures aren't medical treatment is the sign of someone who is allowing their fear of dying, their religious beliefs or whatever, to trump reason. These are medical procedures that were only invented in the last 25-30 years. In fact, I saw a rather interesting interview this week with the inventor of the feeding tube. So McGrath, let me ask you this. If Terri Schiavo was in her condition prior to the invention of medical feeding and hydration treatments, would you favor her being force fed by spoonfeeding and forcing liquids on her to keep her alive? Even though she couldn't swallow? See, here is the thing. People know so little about the death process nowadays, and are so terrified of all things associated with death, they are clueless. Towards the end of life, one's swallowing ability frequently goes. That is one of the body's natural means of "murdering" itself (to use the hysteria mongerers' language). Ask anyone who works with the dying, and they will tell you that many people either consciously refuse to take liquids and food (as my great aunt did when she didn't want to live any longer), or the body's ability to swallow food and water leaves. So, if you want to call that murder, or use other hysterical language like "starving to death" and "dying of thirst" go right ahead. It just shows how ignorant, fearful and irrational you are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 05 - 10:33 AM Another important thing to remember--Terri Schiavo had health insurance. People who don't have health insurance are most often the first ones to have "life support" removed. But nobody bats an eyelash about poor people being "starved to death" and "murdered" do they? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 05 - 10:36 AM And BTW, I opposed the Iraq war, didn't vote for either war mongering candidate for president, am opposed to capital punishment, and am willing to fight like hell for my loved ones to receive whatever medical care we deem appropriate, as we did in the case of my mother. But in this case, I saw no evidence of anything but a loving husband doing his best in a very, very bad situation for his wife. The parents, on the other hand... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST,Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Apr 05 - 11:08 AM Saul and Art make good points, and backup my resistance to letting the two outspoken antisocial members attempt to shield their misbehavior behind a religious cloak. The behavior and the cloak are ill-matched, and in fact, unrelated. A priest on a morning news program today kept wildly accusing those who let Terri die of being "murderers." Then he would say "we don't want to make them enemies, we want to talk with them, but we must call them what the are, 'murderers.'" This is as good an example of giving with the right hand and taking with the left as I've ever seen. He has no intention whatsoever of talking with those he would accuse. He has his agenda in mind and is grandstanding as long as the news programs will let him. A lot of thoughtful people are directing their prayers and/or good wishes toward the Schiavos. Those are sufficient to release Terri's spirit and comfort those who were carrying out her wishes, much to the chagrin of the rest. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Once Famous Date: 01 Apr 05 - 11:48 AM jews make some Mudcatters uncomfortable, especially ones who say it truthfully. Some liberal Jews here certainly do not represent the feelings of all Jews. I would bet any money on it that most of them are Jewish in name only. I know quite a few liberal minded people but the liberal Mudcat whiners sure doesn't represent them. they laugh at the mindset you babble about. Terry Schiavo died in 13 days by starvation that could could have been prevented by people with any conscience. But I wouldn't expect that from baby killers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: CarolC Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:00 PM I read a lot of Jewish periodicals. It's time some of them were notified of the rampant anti-semitsm that exists on web forums and particularly on Mudcat. Time for the big expose, pals. Make sure you tell the people you contact at those periodicals your screen name (Martin Gibson) when you do that. I'm sure they'll want to know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Once Famous Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:07 PM Martin Gibson only exists here at Mudcat for your drinking and dining pleasure. But you knew that. He is a fictional web forum character who shows and brings out the worst in radical liberal America. He is succeeding. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: mg Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:19 PM She was not dying..she was profoundly brain damaged...and what I think of as being in a pvs is not what I would call what I saw onthe few TV clips I saw..of course I might not be talking about the official definition...I was very inclined to side with the husband up to a point, but there are too many questions..I don't know the truth of the matter but it has been claimed he wouldn't allow window shades open, feeding her when she was able to swallow, taking her outside in the sunshine...we are talking as though she were dying. She was not. We do not need fancy machines to drip water into someone. It does not have to be IV. I am not for artificially prolonging life, especially terminal life, especially where there is severe pain, which there should never be..if morphine doesn't stop it, there are surgeries that could...but we have to know the facts and talk through the facts...that this is a situation of a handicapped, permanently handicapped person being forced to die of thirst. I have studied neuroanatomy etc. and I don't know what is what here..but I surely would not claim that someone with brain damage could not feel pain...has she had even simple tests to determine that? g |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:31 PM Mary, you saw what they wanted you to see in that brief clip, and they knew you would assume some sentient presence in what were in fact a few reflex moves, pure lower brain stem stuff. That was apparently a tiny reflex edited from a four hour tape of her motionless vacant gaze. By surgically inserting a device through her abdomen into her stomach they were prolonging a state that, before the type of surgery was possible, would have rapidly resulted in the death of a woman who couldn't eat or drink. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: CarolC Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:31 PM Nevertheless, I think the people at those publications would find your posts most enlightening, Martin. Might make them think twice about taking anything you say seriously on the subject of antisemitism, though. In fact, I would be willing to bet money that after reading a couple of week's wort of your postings, they would tell you to shut up and leave them alone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST,Ebbie Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:34 PM Before her husband gave up on her ever recovering, he took her to clinics and specialists, having a procedure implanted in her brain that works for some people but did not for her, and for therapy and consultations. He did this for SEVEN years. He finally accepted the word of DOCTORS that the case was hopeless, and went on with his own life as Ms Schiavo's parents advised him to do. Despite the bitterness of the struggle between her parents and her husband, her parents acknowledge that they urged him to move on. What is there here for any of us to second guess?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:42 PM I think discussion about what is and what is not antisemitism doesn't really belong on this thread, especially since there is another thread up and running specifically about that, and I haven't recognised any examples of it on this thread. There've been a fair amount of flirting with bigotry, but not of that particular variety. Not that I've seen anyway - I just scroll past any posts without names, of course. ................... I wish more people were able to adopt mary garvey's undogmatic approach in that last post - there's too much certainty about things we don't know, and too much selectivity about the things we do know, to bolster whatever side we have decided to come down on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: CarolC Date: 01 Apr 05 - 12:48 PM Stating an opinion about something when one has just admitted to not having much information on the subject can hardly be categorized as undogmatic, McGrath. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: Once Famous Date: 01 Apr 05 - 01:00 PM Mary Garvey's opinion was from the heart. That's better than all of the Internet sites you just shove in people's faces CarolC claiming they are truthful and justify your life in a tin can existence. I commend Mary Garvey for her heartfelt pure opinion and CarolC, you should only have half of her humanistic view. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit--Terri Schiavo--rest in peace From: GUEST,CarolC Date: 01 Apr 05 - 01:08 PM I respect that Mary cares. I don't think that stating an opinion on something that you don't know anything about is a very inteligent or helpful approach. But that's just my opinion. |
